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The Ten Worst American Traitors
www.mandatory.com ^ | 6/21/12 | Tim Currie

Posted on 06/24/2012 5:54:41 PM PDT by Borges

Some interesting choices with a Number 2 that I never heard of.

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To: muawiyah

“Of course Lee was a resident of a Union state ~ it was called Virginia. During the war a rump government was established in Northern Virginia, where the Lee residence is located (SEE: Arlington National Cemetery). The federal government didn’t ask their permission to buy Lee’s property at an open public auction ~ and it got standing in the Lee family suit to recover Arlington on that basis.”

Virginia voted to side with the confederacy not the union. Hence Lee as a resident could not be a traitor to the Union he fought against.

This is the argument the federal government advanced against my namesake who was the leader of the orphan brigade of Kentuckians.


51 posted on 06/24/2012 7:32:49 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: moonshot925
Are you really going to defend the man who led their enemy?

Yup. I had relatives on both sides.
52 posted on 06/24/2012 7:35:13 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Lionheartusa1

Guess Huma can be added to the list along with BO.


53 posted on 06/24/2012 7:36:51 PM PDT by dandiegirl
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To: Sans-Culotte

Then why did R.E. Lee say this on 2 October 1965 after the war was over???

“I, Robert E. Lee of Lexington, Virginia, do solemnly swear in the presence of almighty God, that I will henceforth faithfully support, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and the Union of the states there under, and that I will, in like manner, abide by and faithfully support all laws and proclamation which have been made during the existing rebellion with reference to the emancipation of slaves, so help me God.”

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gabrantl/lee-amnestyoath.html


54 posted on 06/24/2012 7:38:27 PM PDT by moonshot925
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To: Borges

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_May

Congressman Andrew May (D) Kentucky.

During WWII he received a top secret briefing about how the Japanese were setting their depth charges too shallow to sink our submarines.

So he has a press conference and brags about it, the Japanese adjust their settings and we lost at least 10 submarines and their crews.


55 posted on 06/24/2012 7:42:18 PM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: moonshot925

Maybe because of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 that got passed the year before? LOL


56 posted on 06/24/2012 7:42:18 PM PDT by mkjessup (Jimmy Carter is the Skidmark in the panties of American history, 0bama is the yellow stain in front!)
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To: moonshot925

On Aug 5, 1975, President Gerald Ford reinstated Robert E. Lee as a citizen of the US in good standing when Lee’s Oath of Allegiance was found in the National Archives (it had been “lost” since October of 1865 when Lee requested a pardon from the Johnson administration.

President Ford stated, “General Lee’s character has been an example to succeeding generations, making the restoration of his citizenship an event in which every American can take pride.”


57 posted on 06/24/2012 7:44:21 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: JCBreckenridge
Before they could get moving on treason trials the Constitutional Amendment was passed that provided ~ for a way around the treason problem.

Wiki says:

"Section 3 prohibits the election or appointment to any federal or state office of any person who had held any of certain offices and then engaged in insurrection, rebellion or treason. However, a two-thirds vote by each House of the Congress can override this limitation. In 1898, the Congress enacted a general removal of Section 3's limitation.[44]"

"In 1975, Robert E. Lee's citizenship was restored by a joint congressional resolution, retroactive to June 13, 1865.[45] In 1978, pursuant to Section 3, the Congress posthumously removed the service ban from Jefferson Davis.[46] "

At this time the United States invented its own version of Kabuki ~ a valuable asset later on in dealing with a conquered Japan.

A plain reading of the Constitution before it was buggered up by the 14th Amendment says that if you do what Lee did you are a traitor ~ it doesn't matter what your receiving country says, or where you were a resident ~ it involves "making war against the United States".

Now, since all you neo-confederates went into cahoots with Lincoln and the Unionists, we have the 14th and it lets just everybody, including Jane Fonda, off the hook.

58 posted on 06/24/2012 7:45:32 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: JCBreckenridge

BTW, the rump government in Northern Virginia DID NOT VOTE TO SECEDE


59 posted on 06/24/2012 7:47:45 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Kirkwood

Why would President Ford give citizenship to an enemy of the United States?


60 posted on 06/24/2012 7:51:20 PM PDT by moonshot925
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To: muawiyah

If you’re pinning the blame on the confederates for ‘stuffing up the union with the 14th amendment’, let’s take a look at that:

1.Connecticut (June 25, 1866)
2.New Hampshire (July 6, 1866)
3.Tennessee (July 19, 1866)
4.New Jersey (September 11, 1866)*
5.Oregon (September 19, 1866)
6.Vermont (October 30, 1866)
7.Ohio (January 4, 1867)*
8.New York (January 10, 1867)
9.Kansas (January 11, 1867)
10.Illinois (January 15, 1867)
11.West Virginia (January 16, 1867)
12.Michigan (January 16, 1867)
13.Minnesota (January 16, 1867)
14.Maine (January 19, 1867)
15.Nevada (January 22, 1867)
16.Indiana (January 23, 1867)
17.Missouri (January 25, 1867)
18.Rhode Island (February 7, 1867)
19.Wisconsin (February 7, 1867)
20.Pennsylvania (February 12, 1867)
21.Massachusetts (March 20, 1867)
22.Nebraska (June 15, 1867)
23.Iowa (March 16, 1868)

That’s 22/27 union states that voted for it. Only one of the southern states initially voted for it, Tennessee.

The rest were imposed through reconstruction. The only union states opposed were California, Ohio, New Jersey, Kentucky and Oregon.

So if you have anyone to blame for the 14th, point your fingers at the 22 union states that voted for it.


61 posted on 06/24/2012 7:54:40 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: mkjessup
Coarse but correct.

One cannot call anyone on the Confederate side a traitor. Whether or not states had the right to secede was in 1860 an open question that was only settled by force of arms. On the face of it the states retained their sovereignty, and as the creators of the union, they supposed they had the right to dissolve the union.

To call Lee, Davis, or any others by the name of traitor is a complete error. They were on the loosing side of an open question, that is all.

On the other hand, one can make a very strong case that Lincoln's usurpation of authority beyond that granted in the Constitution was in fact itself treason against the Constitution. Not only his disregard for the Constitution, but also his use of the military to settle a political question. And further there are issues such as his illegal abrogation of habeus corpus and other laws. And for that matter it wasn't Lincoln alone, it was the entire Republican party behind him.

So in no reasonable way can Lee be considered a traitor.

62 posted on 06/24/2012 7:55:20 PM PDT by hfr (Liberalism is a moral disorder that leads to mental disorder (actually it's sin))
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To: moonshot925

This list is incomplete without Ronald W. Pelton, the weasel that sold highly classified document from NSA to the KGB for chump change. He wallows in federal custody to this day.


63 posted on 06/24/2012 7:56:16 PM PDT by Ax
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To: muawiyah

If the rump represents the whole then the Confederacy is the true representative of the United States.

Virginia as a whole voted to leave. That absolves Lee of traitorious conduct, for he did not vote to secede.

Also, why Lee over my namesake? Breckinridge ran for the presidency, supporting the slaveowners, left Kentucky to serve in the confederacy.

The only reason Lee is considered a traitor is because he was a damn good officer who actually whupped the Union.


64 posted on 06/24/2012 8:00:08 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: 98ZJ USMC

If Lee was a traitor why was he offered command of the Union Army? He was the best General in the United States and both sides wanted him.


65 posted on 06/24/2012 8:01:20 PM PDT by Lets Roll NOW (A baby isn't a punishment, Obama is)
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To: moonshot925
Then why did R.E. Lee say this on 2 October 1965 after the war was over???

1.) By the end of the war, there was no doubt that the states were not sovereign and were merely part of the Federal Government. Before the war, men like Lee felt that a State was a country. The Civil War changed all that. I'm not defending Lee's decision, nor am I saying he made the correct decision. I'm merely saying that I do not think he was a traitor in that he saw Virginia as the country to which he was loyal. After the war, he found out that Virginia wasn't diddly anymore.

66 posted on 06/24/2012 8:01:27 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: Borges

Some other really important ones that were missed:

William Hamilton Martin and Bernon F. Mitchell, U.S. National Security Agency cryptologists who defected to the Soviet Union in 1960.

John Anthony Walker, Jr. During his time as a Soviet spy, Walker helped the Soviets decipher more than one million encrypted US Navy messages, organizing a spy operation that The New York Times reported in 1987 “is sometimes described as the most damaging Soviet spy ring in history.”

I absolutely agree about the Rosenbergs, who deserved to fry.


67 posted on 06/24/2012 8:04:23 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: muawiyah
The war was over when Booth came along ~

Who cares if a war was still on? He killed a sitting president.

Besides, the war was officially still on. Joseph E. Johnston did not surrender his army until after Lincoln's assassination.

68 posted on 06/24/2012 8:06:21 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: Sans-Culotte

We should always remember the crimes of the treasonous Confederacy.

13,000 prisoners killed at Andersonville. It was deliberately overcrowded so that the prisoners would die from malnutrition, exposure, and disease.


69 posted on 06/24/2012 8:16:24 PM PDT by moonshot925
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To: moonshot925
13,000 prisoners killed at Andersonville. It was deliberately overcrowded so that the prisoners would die from malnutrition, exposure, and disease.

That falls under the heading of "war crimes". Andersonville would have been a war crime in any war.

70 posted on 06/24/2012 8:21:23 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: All

England considered all of the Founding Fathers traitors. They overturned a government.

The Confederates didn’t try to overturn the “union” government. Therefore, Lee, Davis et al were not traitors.

I consider every member of the supreme court and every person in congress traitors for allowing a non natural born citizen to become president.


71 posted on 06/24/2012 8:22:22 PM PDT by Terry Mross (To My Liberal Kinfolk: Don't call, email or write until you've gotten your brain fixed.)
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To: Snickering Hound
During WWII he received a top secret briefing about how the Japanese were setting their depth charges too shallow to sink our submarines. So he has a press conference and brags about it, the Japanese adjust their settings and we lost at least 10 submarines and their crews.

Too bad they put a fool in charge.

I would have broadcasted shallow depth charges were causing great loses to our submarine fleet.

72 posted on 06/24/2012 8:25:20 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: cripplecreek
On the matter of Robert E. Lee, he was the best on either side of the battle line and I believe commanded the most respect of any of the military leaders.

I read a multi-volume biography where he said that he believed succession was unconstitutional and slavery was immoral, but was unable to fight against the state where he was born and raised.

Regardless, of where you fall on the matter of the civil war, Robert E. Lee, in my opinion, always has been and always will be a great American.

73 posted on 06/24/2012 8:28:53 PM PDT by cgchief
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To: cripplecreek
On the matter of Robert E. Lee, he was the best on either side of the battle line and I believe commanded the most respect of any of the military leaders.

I read a multi-volume biography where he said that he believed succession was unconstitutional and slavery was immoral, but was unable to fight against the state where he was born and raised.

Regardless, of where you fall on the matter of the civil war, Robert E. Lee, in my opinion, always has been and always will be a great American.

74 posted on 06/24/2012 8:29:10 PM PDT by cgchief
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To: Terry Mross

“England considered all of the Founding Fathers traitors. They overturned a government.”

The founding father rebelled because they didn’t like the Molasses Act, Sugar Act, Currency Act and Stamp Act.

I think we all agree with them.

Those taxes were unfair.


75 posted on 06/24/2012 8:36:58 PM PDT by moonshot925
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To: moonshot925
Any honest and learned individual who can see through neo-confederate nonsense can understand the obvious; Lee was a traitor.

You are an idiot. Freepers really log into Free Republic to bad mouth one of the greatest Americans who ever lived? RE Lee?


76 posted on 06/24/2012 8:41:23 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: moonshot925
Moonbat, this is what President Eisenhower said about R E Lee to an idiot just like you, some douche named Dr. Scott.

August 9, 1960

Dear Dr. Scott:

Respecting your August 1 inquiry calling attention to my often expressed admiration for General Robert E. Lee, I would say, first, that we need to understand that at the time of the War Between the States the issue of Secession had remained unresolved for more than 70 years. Men of probity, character, public standing and unquestioned loyalty, both North and South, had disagreed over this issue as a matter of principle from the day our Constitution was adopted.

General Robert E. Lee was, in my estimation, one of the supremely gifted men produced by our Nation. He believed unswervingly in the Constitutional validity of his cause which until 1865 was still an arguable question in America; he was thoughtful yet demanding of his officers and men, forbearing with captured enemies but ingenious, unrelenting and personally courageous in battle, and never disheartened by a reverse or obstacle. Through all his many trials, he remained selfless almost to a fault and unfailing in his belief in God. Taken altogether, he was noble as a leader and as a man, and unsullied as I read the pages of our history.

From deep conviction I simply say this: a nation of men of Lee's caliber would be unconquerable in spirit and soul. Indeed, to the degree that present-day American youth will strive to emulate his rare qualities, including his devotion to this land as revealed in his painstaking efforts to help heal the nation's wounds once the bitter struggle was over, we, in our own time of danger in a divided world, will be strengthened and our love of freedom sustained.

Such are the reasons that I proudly display the picture of this great American on my office wall.

Sincerely,

Dwight D. Eisenhower

77 posted on 06/24/2012 8:46:10 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: fini

me too. what crap


78 posted on 06/24/2012 8:51:13 PM PDT by onona (Of course you have to say is like George C. Scott....)
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To: muawiyah

I bet, a lot of conservatives in the North and South would go the route of States Rights, knowing what we now know. Lee and the South were just visionaries.


79 posted on 06/24/2012 9:02:58 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Liberty and Justice for ALL)
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To: central_va
Some people will always worship a central government, even beyond the point when it invades their home, and murders their family and neighbors over political discourse.

They make the best neighborhood snitches and probably donate their time to #attackwatch and flag@whitehouse.gov.

The funniest thing, the last area to officially renounce the Confederacy and rejoin the Union? TOWN LINE, NEW YORK in 1946

80 posted on 06/24/2012 9:04:20 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded)
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To: central_va

I respect R.E. Lee but he picked the wrong side.

The treasonous confederacy NEVER had any chance against the USA.

Pennsylvania and New York each had more manufacturing output than the entire south COMBINED in 1860.

In 1860, the North manufactured 97 percent of the country’s firearms, 96 percent of its railroad locomotives, 94 percent of its cloth, 93 percent of its pig iron, and over 90 percent of its boots and shoes. The North had twice the density of railroads per square mile. There was not even one rifleworks in the entire South.

The north crushed the south fair and square.


81 posted on 06/24/2012 9:05:05 PM PDT by moonshot925
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To: moonshot925
The north crushed the south fair and square.

300,000 blue bellies died in a war of brutal conquest to destroy the republic, a lot still lie in southern soil. Poor souls who died fighting for a ruthless dictator. Sic semper tyrannis.

82 posted on 06/24/2012 9:14:29 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va; Repeat Offender

I have respect for the United States Constitution. It is the supreme law of the land. I took an oath to defend it.

Section 10: Limits on the States

“No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.”

“No State shall, without the Consent of the Congress, lay any Imposts or Duties on Imports or Exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing it’s [sic] inspection Laws: and the net Produce of all Duties and Imposts, laid by any State on Imports or Exports, shall be for the Use of the Treasury of the United States; and all such Laws shall be subject to the Revision and Controul of the Congress.”

“No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.”


83 posted on 06/24/2012 9:15:30 PM PDT by moonshot925
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To: moonshot925

So President Eisenhower had a traitors portrait hanging in the oval office?


84 posted on 06/24/2012 9:17:42 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: hfr

Thank you... Finally a voice of reason that takes into account the questions that were, at that time, unanswered. People tend to forget that, prior to the War Between the States, the phrase was “These United States of America”, thus acknowledging the soverenty of the individual states. After the war, it became “The United States of America”, changing to the singular and thus indicating a single entity... So much for states’ soverenty...


85 posted on 06/24/2012 9:20:21 PM PDT by Raven6 (Psalm 144:1 and Proverbs 22:3)
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To: central_va

Article 3, Section 3 made it very clear.

Levying war against the United States is treason.


86 posted on 06/24/2012 9:23:50 PM PDT by moonshot925
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To: Raven6

“So much for states’ soverenty”

If the south was fighting for states rights, why did they form the confederacy? For states to enter into any kind of Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation is prohibited by Article 1, Section 10, Clause 1.


87 posted on 06/24/2012 9:28:40 PM PDT by moonshot925
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To: moonshot925
Levying war against the United States is treason.

Weasel prick answer the question: did President Eisenhower have a portrait of a traitor hanging in the oval office?

Answer this you coward, how many members of the Confederate government were tried for treason and were executed post Civil War?

88 posted on 06/24/2012 9:30:27 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Pharmboy
I would rather have dinner with Gen. Lee any day than with Gen. Grant.

A drink, on the other hand...

≤}B^)

89 posted on 06/24/2012 9:31:15 PM PDT by Erasmus (Zwischen des Teufels und des tiefen, blauen Meers)
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To: moonshot925

Such are the reasons that I proudly display the picture of this great American on my office wall.

Sincerely,

Dwight D. Eisenhower


90 posted on 06/24/2012 9:33:40 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: moonshot925

91 posted on 06/24/2012 9:36:53 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: moonshot925

Welcome to FR.

The Union offered command of the army to Robert E. Lee, he discussed his divided loyalties with the highest government officials.

His discussions and resignation were all above board and honorable.


92 posted on 06/24/2012 9:37:34 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's Presidential candidates.)
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To: moonshot925
They formed a confederacy after they had voted to leave the union, thus they were no longer subject to Article 1, Section 10, Clause 1... That is how. I know this may be hard for you to fathom, but there truly was a time when states did indeed consider, and rightfully so based upon the way the Constitution was written, themselves sovereign and in possession of the right to remove themselves from the union. The problem we have today is that people tend to want to view actions in history from today's perspective.

Many folks could benefit from reading War for What? by Francis W. Springer. It provides correct historical perspective.

93 posted on 06/24/2012 9:38:30 PM PDT by Raven6 (Psalm 144:1 and Proverbs 22:3)
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To: central_va

Yes. But it no surprise, you can respect someone greatly and also think of them as a traitor.

Only the treasonous confederate war criminal were executed.

I have a question, how many prisoners or innocent civilians did the rebels murder during the war?


94 posted on 06/24/2012 9:43:19 PM PDT by moonshot925
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To: moonshot925; central_va
Well, when this -

“No State shall, without the Consent of the Congress, lay any Imposts or Duties on Imports or Exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing it’s [sic] inspection Laws: and the net Produce of all Duties and Imposts, laid by any State on Imports or Exports, shall be for the Use of the Treasury of the United States; and all such Laws shall be subject to the Revision and Controul [sic] of the Congress.”

Was manipulated to allow Congress to manipulate tariffs to negatively impact southern states for the benefit of northern states, it became time to rethink alliances with the Federal Government.

When the Federal government began to further act in an unconstitutional manner by acting outside of its Constitutionally granted power, it was further time to rethink participation in the union. Tenth Amendment – Powers of States and people. The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Secession was not expressly prohibited by the Constitution. When the state voted to secede, it did not enter into any Treaty or Confederation....it did however, withdraw from one. Once it withdrew, it was free to make whatever alliances it wanted to as a sovereign state. Think of it as being allowed to marry again after your divorce.

AN ORDINANCE to dissolve the union between the State of South Carolina and other States united with her under the compact entitled "The Constitution of the United States of America."

We, the people of the State of South Carolina, in convention assembled, do declare and ordain, and it is hereby declared and ordained, That the ordinance adopted by us in convention on the twenty-third day of May, in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty-eight, whereby the Constitution of the United States of America

was ratified, and also all acts and parts of acts of the General Assembly of this State ratifying amendments of the said Constitution, are hereby repealed; and that the union now subsisting between South Carolina and other States, under the name of the "United States of America," is hereby dissolved. Done at Charleston the twentieth day of December, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty.

This was done by the citizens of that state through their duly elected representatives.

It is the same principle behind this piece of "treasonous" literature.....

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

95 posted on 06/24/2012 9:44:48 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded)
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To: moonshot925
I have a question, how many prisoners or innocent civilians did the rebels murder during the war?

Coward, answer my questions first.

96 posted on 06/24/2012 9:46:19 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: muawiyah

Was George Washington a traitor when he led the army against King George?


97 posted on 06/24/2012 9:47:27 PM PDT by Pelham (Amnesty for Illegals, a bipartisan goal of the Stupid Party and the Evil Party)
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To: moonshot925

“I have a question, how many prisoners or innocent civilians did the rebels murder during the war?”

Probably very few since they were fighting a defensive war on their own ground. But you might want to consider the Union’s war against civilians, the burning of farms and cities, the destruction of crops and livestock, the rapes and looting and famine left in the wake of the Union Army.

Bruce Catton, in his ‘northern’ trilogy of the Civil War, begins by relating the tale of a local man who liked to celebrate his service in the Union Army. Catton was greatly impressed as a child, but much less so as an adult when he learned that this man’s job had been to burn out the farmers of the Shenandoah Valley. This was done on the premise that they would feed the Confederate Army, but in fact the farmers of the Shenandoah were mostly Germans who were unionists. Too bad for them, they got an early lesson in Big Government as practiced by the Lincoln Administration.


98 posted on 06/24/2012 9:59:46 PM PDT by Pelham (Amnesty for Illegals, a bipartisan goal of the Stupid Party and the Evil Party)
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To: Pelham

“Probably very few”

12,900 union prisoners died at Andersonville thanks to the inhuman treatment by the rebels.

13 innocent civilians were tortured and murdered by the rebels in Madison County, North Carolina in January 1863.

“the burning of farms and cities, the destruction of crops and livestock, the rapes and looting and famine left in the wake of the Union Army.”

The Union Army ordered the destruction of property not civilian lives; that is a legitimate military tactic, if we follow your argument to it’s conclusion then the US (and almost every military on earth) is guilty of “war crimes” for destroying property.


99 posted on 06/24/2012 10:18:09 PM PDT by moonshot925
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To: moonshot925
"I have a question, how many prisoners or innocent civilians did the rebels murder during the war?"

And I'm sure that there were absolutely no attocities whatsoever commited by Sherman and his troops during his "March to the Sea"... No lit brooms thrown into the homes of civilians... No slave women raped... No thefts of any kind from civilians. And when he got to South Carolina, he told his men to be extra cordial to the state in which the conflict started... Oh and prior to that there was no forced labor of free blacks and slaves during the building of Fort Negley in Nashville. And records don't show that 2,768 blacks were officially enrolled in its construction and that during construction 600-800 men died and only 310 ever received any pay. Naah... None of that ever happened either... /S

100 posted on 06/24/2012 10:26:10 PM PDT by Raven6 (Psalm 144:1 and Proverbs 22:3)
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