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Why Justice Roberts deserves a severe punishment __ Obamacare
6-28-12 | johnwk

Posted on 06/28/2012 1:27:22 PM PDT by JOHN W K

There is perhaps no greater tyranny then when a Justice of our Supreme Court, charged with enforcing our written Constitution, uses their office of public trust to side with and defend domestic enemies who work to seditiously overturn the documented intentions and beliefs under which our Constitution was adopted. This is what Justice Roberts is guilty of and will herein be confirmed by the very words of our founding fathers!

In upholding Obamacare Justice Roberts relies upon that part of our Constitution which declares:

“The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States“

These very words were likewise used by our tyrannical members on our Supreme Court in 1937 to uphold the progressive’s assault upon our Constitution under their Social Security Act ___an act designed to create a captive voting constituency dependent upon the federal government for a monthly subsistence check.

The two cases upholding the Social Security Act are Helvering v. Davis, 301 U.S. 619 and Steward Machine Co. (1937).

In these cases the Court stated:

"Congress may spend money in aid of the 'general welfare.' Constitution, art. 1, 8; United States v. Butler, … There have been great statesmen in our history who have stood for other views. We will not resurrect the contest. It is now settled by decision. United States v. Butler, supra. The conception of the spending power advocated by Hamilton and strongly reinforced by Story has prevailed over that of Madison, which has not been lacking in adherents"

What is important to note is, the Court cites the Butler decision decided the previous year and goes on to assert Hamilton’s view concerning the phrase “general welfare” prevails over that of Madison, and, the Court will not “resurrect the contest”. In other words, the Court is not interested in reviewing the historical record during the making and ratification of our Constitution to document the meaning of “general welfare” as it was understood by our founders during its framing and ratification process. Instead, the Court is eager to use an irrelevant comment made by Hamilton concerning the phrase “general welfare” which was made after the Constitution had been adopted in order to uphold the progressive’s Social Security Act as being constitutional.

But, the truth is, the Hamilton “view” which the Court relied upon was not made during the framing and ratification debates of our Constitution and is therefore inadmissible in determining the intentions and beliefs under which our Constitution was adopted. It was made after the Constitution had been ratified and when Hamilton was Secretary of the Treasury and trying to gain support to financially encourage specific manufactures.

In his report on Manufactures, Hamilton writes with reference to the meaning of the phrase “general welfare” and Article 1, Section 8, Clause 1, See Page 136

“These three qualifications excepted, the power to raise money is plenary and indefinite, and the objects to which it may be appropriated, are providing for the common defense and general welfare. The terms “general welfare” were doubtless intended to signify more than was expressed or imported in those which preceded: otherwise, numerous exigencies incident to the affairs of a nation would have been left without a provision. The phrase is as comprehensive as any that could have been used; because it was not fit that the constitutional authority of the Union to appropriate its revenues should have been restricted within narrower limits than the “general welfare;” and because this necessarily embraces a vast variety of particulars, which are susceptible neither of specification nor of definition.”

But these words were written by Hamilton after the Constitution had been adopted and are in direct conflict with what Hamilton wrote in Federalist No. 83 to gain support for the adoption of the Constitution. In No. 83 Federalist, which is applicable to the meaning of “general welfare”, Hamilton, in crystal clear language refers to a “specification of particulars” which he goes on to say “evidently excludes all pretension to a general legislative authority“. See Article 1, Section 8, Clauses 2 through 11 for the subjoined “specification of particulars”.

Hamilton writes:

"...the power of Congress...shall extend to certain enumerated cases. This specification of particulars evidently excludes all pretension to a general legislative authority, because an affirmative grant of special powers would be absurd as well as useless if a general authority was intended..."

This view expressed by Hamilton in the Federalist Papers during the framing and ratification debates is also in harmony with what Madison states during the framing and ratification debates:

Madison, in No. 41 Federalist, explaining the meaning of the general welfare clause to gain the approval of the proposed constitution, states the following:

"It has been urged and echoed, that the power "to lay and collect taxes...to pay the debts, and provide for the common defense and the general welfare of the United States amounts to an unlimited commission to exercise every power which may be alleged to be necessary for the common defense or general welfare. No stronger proof could be given of the distress under which these writers labor [the anti federalists] for objections, than their stooping to such a misconstruction...But what color can this objection have, when a specification of the object alluded to by these general terms immediately follows, and is not ever separated by a longer pause than a semicolon?...For what purpose could the enumeration of particular powers be inserted, if these and all others were meant to be included in the preceding general power...But the idea of an enumeration of particulars which neither explain nor qualify the general meaning...is an absurdity."

Likewise, in the Virginia ratification Convention Madison explains the general welfare phrase in the following manner so as to gain ratification of the constitution: "the powers of the federal government are enumerated; it can only operate in certain cases; it has legislative powers on defined and limited objects, beyond which it cannot extend its jurisdiction."[3 Elliots 95]

Also see Nicholas, 3 Elliot 443 regarding the general welfare clause, which he pointed out "was united, not to the general power of legislation, but to the particular power of laying and collecting taxes...."

Similarly , George Mason, in the Virginia ratification Convention informs the convention

"The Congress should have power to provide for the general welfare of the Union, I grant. But I wish a clause in the Constitution, with respect to all powers which are not granted, that they are retained by the states. Otherwise the power of providing for the general welfare may be perverted to its destruction.". [3 Elliots 442]

For this very reason the Tenth Amendment was quickly ratified to intentionally put to rest any question whatsoever regarding the general welfare clause as being a general legislative grant of power, and thereby cut off the pretext to allow Congress to extended its powers via the wording provide for the “general welfare“.

And so, Justice Roberts has spat upon the universal meaning of “general welfare” as it was understood by our founders during our Constitution’s framing and ratification process, and he has sided with domestic enemies who are constantly working to seditiously broaden the defined and limited powers granted to our federal government by our Constitution. For this he needs to be punished!

JWK

Absolute governments, (tho' the disgrace of human nature) have this advantage with them, they are simple; if the people suffer, they know the head from which their suffering springs [subversive progressives on our Supreme Court]; know likewise the remedy….. ___ Thomas Paine’s Common Sense.


TOPICS: Government; Health/Medicine; Miscellaneous; Politics
KEYWORDS: obamacare; roberts; tax; upheld

1 posted on 06/28/2012 1:27:25 PM PDT by JOHN W K
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To: JOHN W K

2 posted on 06/28/2012 1:29:02 PM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: JOHN W K

Thank you. I contend that ROberts is a traitor and should be dealt with accordingly


3 posted on 06/28/2012 1:29:25 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: JOHN W K

It Barack Hussein Obama’s Supreme Court now. Roberts has no say in what happens there. He just does what he’s told to do. Barry intimidated him good during that State of the Union show. Roberts is now a coward. Americans lost BIGTIME this week.


4 posted on 06/28/2012 1:33:17 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Dude! Where's my Constitution?!)
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To: JOHN W K

All I can say is 1.5 more hours and Mark R. Levin will be on the air, and to say the shiet will hit the fan is putting it mildly.

http://www.marklevinshow.com/home.asp


5 posted on 06/28/2012 1:34:29 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Some day our schools will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: Nifster

As regards federal taxes, is the executive branch allowed to pick and choose who is exempt without congressional authority?


6 posted on 06/28/2012 1:34:38 PM PDT by Rider on the Rain
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To: FlingWingFlyer

“Roberts is now a coward. Americans lost BIGTIME this week.”

Oops. You meant to write, “We lost America BIGTIME this week.”


7 posted on 06/28/2012 1:38:06 PM PDT by WKTimpco (Traditional Values Counter Revolution)
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To: Rider on the Rain

no but since when does that stop Hugo Obama????


8 posted on 06/28/2012 1:39:32 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Rider on the Rain

We haven’t had equality before the law for a long time. We have affirmative action and murder on demand. Not to mention that Washington has exempted themselves from this atrocity all together. If they are exempt it is not equality. They are not above the law at least not constitutionally but then they burned that today.


9 posted on 06/28/2012 1:43:22 PM PDT by formosa (Formosa)
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To: Rider on the Rain
“The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States“

Unless of course you can obtain a waiver from HSS.

The General Welfare, if they exclude the rest of the constitution, this phrase can be used to justify whatever they want to do to us. Most of the provisions that the government has made for our general welfare have had negative results. Maybe they should change that phrase to the general good intentions.

10 posted on 06/28/2012 1:48:44 PM PDT by oldbrowser (Blue state sickness must not be rewarded)
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I guess the Founders pre-dated the phrase “anything’s waiverable.”


11 posted on 06/28/2012 1:51:12 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

I’ll be listening at 6:05...thanks


12 posted on 06/28/2012 1:51:46 PM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

I’ll be listening at 6:05...thanks


13 posted on 06/28/2012 1:52:02 PM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

ICAM! I wonder what Michael Savage will have to say about this?


14 posted on 06/28/2012 2:15:36 PM PDT by Jean2
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To: JOHN W K
I would hope that the next Republican President is sworn in by a minor judge in place of Justice Roberts. Something along the line of Harry Trueman's swearing in is fine with me.

Since I can see no method of removing Justice Roberts I can think of no other way to show “We, The People”’s personal feelings towards than person's ruling today.

15 posted on 06/28/2012 2:54:46 PM PDT by Nip (TANSTAAFL and BOHICA)
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To: Ann Archy

Our fearless leader is on now, from his underground bunker, and of course he is talking about this decision today and of course ripping it to shreds. A lot of my friends are liberals, and I sent them all a message on facebook to listen. BTW, something I never asked, but does Freep participate in FB? I only been into it about a month, but the people you can reach is astounding. You can literally shove Conservative stuff right in their face LOL!


16 posted on 06/28/2012 3:33:49 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Some day our schools will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
While Roberts confirms there are limits upon Congress’ power under the commerce clause of our Constitution, he intentionally ignores the enumerated functions for which Congress may tax under its power to lay and collect taxes and are identified and subjoined to this power. Unfortunately, I have yet to hear those limits being discussed and pointed to by our beloved media personalities who seem to play a vital role in the subjugation of the America People without a shot being fired.

JWK

"On every question of construction [of the Constitution], carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed."___Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, June 12, 1823, The Complete Jefferson, p. 322.

17 posted on 06/28/2012 4:33:31 PM PDT by JOHN W K
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
While Roberts confirms there are limits upon Congress’ power under the commerce clause of our Constitution, he intentionally ignores the enumerated functions for which Congress may tax under its power to lay and collect taxes and are identified and subjoined to this power. Unfortunately, I have yet to hear those limits being discussed and pointed to by our beloved media personalities who seem to play a vital role in the subjugation of the America People without a shot being fired.

JWK

"On every question of construction [of the Constitution], carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed."___Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, June 12, 1823, The Complete Jefferson, p. 322.

18 posted on 06/28/2012 4:34:08 PM PDT by JOHN W K
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