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Complete Disaster Non-Preparedness: DC Grocery Stores Out , Gas Unavailable, Grid-Down Heat Rages
SHTF Plan ^ | 7/2/12 | Mac Slavo

Posted on 07/02/2012 4:43:44 PM PDT by Kartographer

We’ve seen it time and again over the last decade. An emergency strikes and panic grips the city or region for days or weeks on end.

We saw a complete breakdown of emergency response and law & order during Hurricane Katrina. The 2011 Snowpocalypse on the east coast led to runs on grocery stores and empty shelves within a matter of hours. Widespread blackouts during Hurricane Ike left large sections of the Houston power grid down for up to four weeks. In all these cases gas was almost impossible to find, what was in your pantry was what you had until food distribution resumed, local water was not safe for consumption, and government response was limited to reinstating essential services first and foremost.

The bottom line, as Jesselyn Radack of the Government Accountability Project notes, is that after billions have been spent by Department of Homeland Security, FEMA and local law enforcement, we are no more prepared today than we were the day before September 11, 2011.

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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

How Volting!


51 posted on 07/02/2012 8:47:17 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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To: packrat35

Yeah and a surprising number of them that do are fellow FReepers, now go figure that!


52 posted on 07/02/2012 8:50:15 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer
Yeah and a surprising number of them that do are fellow FReepers, now go figure that!

Really? Post a link to one.

53 posted on 07/02/2012 8:53:10 PM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (I made a prank call...pretended I was a mime.)
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To: BenLurkin
“You’d think that everyone and anyone would be able to keep three days of food and water on hand.....”

Why should they? Politicians are elected to take of us, why else do we pay our taxes?

54 posted on 07/02/2012 8:54:13 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland ("The writing is on the wall - Unions are screwed. reformist2 10:04 PM #27")
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To: MHGinTN
It really isn’t necessary to bury these lines in the older neighborhoods. There is a process using PVC pipe of the highest crfush resistence species and junction boxes, all laid on the ground rather than under it. There is even a raised sidewalk cover drawn up, to be used where sidewalks provide a substantial access to neighborhoods. I have wondered since I saw that system on the Internet why it isn’t in use in alot of tree lined areas. I suspect it has something to do with ‘handicap accessibility’ or some such federal rigamarol as that.

The cost is staggering. There is a general consensus amongst different power companies that place the cost of replacement to underground at about $50 per linear foot. There are pad mounted transformers and service runs from each. Also the underground real-estate is very expensive and has to be shared with gas, phone, cable, water and sewage. Even if the local distribution is buried, you still have may vulnerabilities with transmission. We just can't afford it now.
55 posted on 07/02/2012 8:54:23 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: BenLurkin
You’d think that everyone and anyone would be able to keep three days of food and water on hand.....

You'd think so, huh. Many people now days order out so much they have forgotten how to cook. Or maybe it's that they haven't a clue about managing and making do. I'm thinking they don't understand you can open, with a hand can opener, a can of corn and call it a meal. Even for people who have just the minimum food and don't have an alternative power source, the first day is ice cream day. Next it's the delicate perishables in the warming fridge. The freezer will keep for 3 days so day three is for the grill. Day 4 is whatever can be salvaged from the fridge and freezer. Day 5 and after, it's canned and pantry foods. For the unprepared, that gets them a week into the crisis and a fair amount of power being restored.

56 posted on 07/02/2012 8:57:05 PM PDT by bgill
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To: PA Engineer

In my AO, new services and service upgrades have to be buried, by code.

But the distribution circuits are all overhead - and you should see the legacy trees that wiped them out!

Great Falls at Cherry Hill Park has a HUGE oak right across the street, landed between two houses, fortunately. Some joker pinned a sign to it, “Free Firewood, You Haul.”

I laughed. It will take a crane to get it out, and I don’t own a chainsaw with an eight-foot bar.

Further down the road, there is a 35.4 kva circuit, two levels, suspended upside down over the street.

Man. Poles sheered off and flipped over.


57 posted on 07/02/2012 9:04:14 PM PDT by patton (DateDiff)
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To: HereInTheHeartland; BenLurkin

>> Why should they? Politicians are elected to take of us, why else do we pay our taxes?” <<

.
Remember the “ponytail guy” at the presidential debate in Atlanta in ‘92?

“We’re your children, tell us how you’re going to take care of us.”
.


58 posted on 07/02/2012 9:09:54 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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To: PA Engineer; All

True story: Outside our subdivision, along side the road, telephone lines were buried. One day I got a call - from 911. The guy wanted to know what my emergency was. Said I didn’t have one, I didn’t call. He said yes I did. I said no I didn’t. He finally believed me.

Short time later, I get a call from 911. By that time my husband was home and he had called his adult daughter. 911 guy said to tell my husband to stop telling dirty jokes because it was being broadcast on speaker to everyone at 911 including the police dept. I was speechless.

The buried phone line had somehow mixed our phone with 911.

I was told not to use our phone until they called me. Immediately if not sooner, they were digging up that phone line to fix it.

Told my husband do NOT use the phone and clean up your jokes. He thought it was really funny and laughed and laughed.


59 posted on 07/02/2012 9:15:14 PM PDT by Marcella (God wouldn't vote for Romney so I won't, either.)
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To: Marcella

Well, I am laughing.


60 posted on 07/02/2012 9:18:52 PM PDT by patton (DateDiff)
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To: patton

“Well, I am laughing.”

All well and good for husband and you, but I was the one on the phone with 911.

My husband was an ex-Marine and he knew more jokes than anyone I ever met. He was wonderful.


61 posted on 07/02/2012 9:24:43 PM PDT by Marcella (God wouldn't vote for Romney so I won't, either.)
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy

Go to any prepper thread on FR. At least a half dozen show up belittling preppers or making fun of them.


62 posted on 07/02/2012 9:26:12 PM PDT by packrat35 (Admit it! We are almost ready to be called a police state!)
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To: Marcella

I am sorry for your loss.


63 posted on 07/02/2012 9:27:38 PM PDT by patton (DateDiff)
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To: patton
In my AO, new services and service upgrades have to be buried, by code.

Yep. It was an extension to the Rural Electrification Act. I can't remember the year (kicking myself, thinking 1969), but did substantial research in the area. There were a great deal of unforeseen corrosion issues with the neutrals. Truly unforeseen.

One thing they will do that irks me is how they clear the lines. As they reenergize the distribution system, they will fry those branch circuits that still have trees on them. It is lazy. It is dangerous, but efficient. They should warn people to leave everything off and unplugged. It is going to be a mess.

People really need to sit down and play a mind game. The game is where does my power come from. I suppose the governors and mayors of Washington and Maryland have never gotten past the light switch.

My opinions is there will not be power till next week for most places. At least reliable electricity.

Lived in Gaithersburg for two years during the reign of the "Crack Mayor" of Washington. LOL.
64 posted on 07/02/2012 9:27:52 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy

This thread has many

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2883051/posts


65 posted on 07/02/2012 9:28:36 PM PDT by packrat35 (Admit it! We are almost ready to be called a police state!)
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To: MHGinTN
I suspect it has something to do with ‘handicap accessibility’ or some such federal rigamarol as that

Sort of related - for some reason, a nearby corner is getting a signal light along with cross walks and those silly buttons pedestrians push that never work. Of course, it all has to be handicapped accessible with the appropriate curbs and graded land and mow. Really? A wheelchair out there? What, the handicapped person is going to wheel across a narrow bridge or plow through the pastures? That's just crazy. That corner has been light free and just fine the whole time I've been alive and was fine long before that. But, noooo, someone got a bee in their bonnet and is wasting my tax dollars once again.

66 posted on 07/02/2012 9:29:11 PM PDT by bgill
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To: PA Engineer

The “Crack Mayor?” Mayor-for-life Barry? He got reelected while in jail.

Now THAT is job security.


67 posted on 07/02/2012 9:33:07 PM PDT by patton (DateDiff)
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To: patton
The “Crack Mayor?” Mayor-for-life Barry? He got reelected while in jail.

I HEARD! I was so happy to move away after my Wife's fellowship at the NIH. Even shopping was stressful. The best view was driving north on 270 and looking in the rear view mirror.
68 posted on 07/02/2012 9:37:32 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: patton

We had a great life together and traveled to a number of countries but home was the best.

He taught me to drink wine and cuss. We had a game where we thought of the worst word(s) to call each other and would have a contest to see who could say the worst word(s). Great fun.


69 posted on 07/02/2012 9:39:28 PM PDT by Marcella (God wouldn't vote for Romney so I won't, either.)
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To: PA Engineer

I would call you a D@MN yankee, but at least you had the sense to go north. D@MN yankees are the ones that come south...

LOL.


70 posted on 07/02/2012 9:41:21 PM PDT by patton (DateDiff)
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To: ottbmare

Looks to me like never happened. I heard the DC mayor whining on the news about how long it would take to repair. Sounds like he is part of the problem.

I would still bet most government offices are equipped with back up power sources and are in full operation.


71 posted on 07/02/2012 9:42:07 PM PDT by cableguymn
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To: Marcella

Wow, that is funny. The worst word? LOL.

Sounds like a Marine.


72 posted on 07/02/2012 9:43:58 PM PDT by patton (DateDiff)
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To: cableguymn

Nope, nothing to see here.

http://www.herald-dispatch.com/news/briefs/x1343520742/Gallery-Storm-damage-in-WV-and-across-Mid-Atlantic


73 posted on 07/02/2012 9:47:31 PM PDT by patton (DateDiff)
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To: Terry Mross

When our town’s electrcity was off for 3 weeks after a hurricane, the radio station didn’t miss a beat. They kept people informed on where to go for ice and food. People listened on battery and car radios and the station had a generator...or two.


74 posted on 07/02/2012 9:48:31 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: patton

I see you are from Virginia. Did you miss these storms?


75 posted on 07/02/2012 9:57:11 PM PDT by Marcella (God wouldn't vote for Romney so I won't, either.)
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To: Marcella

Did I miss them? LOL. no. I am in Falls Church - about ground zero.


76 posted on 07/02/2012 10:02:30 PM PDT by patton (DateDiff)
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To: cableguymn

“I heard the DC mayor whining on the news about how long it would take to repair.”

I saw him say that and he said he appreciated their work but it wasn’t acceptable. I have heard the news where line crews from a number of states have gone there to help restore the lines, so what is his problem?

Maybe he thinks they just need to flip the switches. He should go look around at lines wrapped around trees on the ground. He’s not much of a leader.


77 posted on 07/02/2012 10:03:05 PM PDT by Marcella (God wouldn't vote for Romney so I won't, either.)
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To: patton
I would call you a D@MN yankee, but at least you had the sense to go north. D@MN yankees are the ones that come south...

LOL. Really, heading south past malfunction junction would have been just as fine.
78 posted on 07/02/2012 10:04:07 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2716402/posts

And there’s more if you want to look. I’ve been personally promised a bullet should I meet a fellow FReeper during SHTF.


79 posted on 07/02/2012 10:04:53 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: patton

Maybe you said that up thread and I missed it. Still got a house, got power, car okay, got supplies?


80 posted on 07/02/2012 10:05:47 PM PDT by Marcella (God wouldn't vote for Romney so I won't, either.)
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To: Future Snake Eater; The Working Man; Kartographer
It’s times like this that make me believe that this un-preparedness is not just desireable but planned. Why?

A better question is "How?" With mind-control beams?

To be honest, yes, it's mind-control beams. And they emanate from every cable TV box in the nation.

Think for a moment: the hoopla about "Doomsday Preppers", and the message that's so simple: "preppers are right-wing nut-jobs". Even the link that Kartographer posted has comments from chem-trail junkies and ZOG alarmists, and it bears out the established stereotype.

We are surrounded by zombies, my FRiends. They are created and sustained by daily doses of mind-control from the one-eyed babysitter. And we are outnumbered 300 to 1.

81 posted on 07/02/2012 10:08:28 PM PDT by Old Sarge (We are now officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet)
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To: Marcella

see #50 for rundown - we are fine. ;)


82 posted on 07/02/2012 10:10:11 PM PDT by patton (DateDiff)
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To: Kartographer

“I’ve been personally promised a bullet should I meet a fellow FReeper during SHTF.”

I remember that. You don’t look/act very worried.


83 posted on 07/02/2012 10:10:28 PM PDT by Marcella (God wouldn't vote for Romney so I won't, either.)
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To: Old Sarge

Re your tag line -

“They always scream on the way down. Sigh. I don’t know why.”

Can’t remember what story that is from.


84 posted on 07/02/2012 10:13:07 PM PDT by patton (DateDiff)
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To: Marcella

Well the guy would have to travel over several hundred miles during SHTF to get here and by the time he got here he would most likely leave in disgust because of the line he’d have to stand in to wait his turn.


85 posted on 07/02/2012 10:16:14 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: patton

Okay, I had read that post. With every hurricane I’ve been through, I have learned better ways to do some things and fix holes I had in preps.

FIRST thing to do when power goes off. Put stopper in garbage disposal - food scraps put in there will stay there and you have to get it out - messy job.


86 posted on 07/02/2012 10:18:55 PM PDT by Marcella (God wouldn't vote for Romney so I won't, either.)
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To: Kartographer

“...because of the line he’d have to stand in to wait his turn.”

The vast majority of Freepers (((love))) you, only a few are nutcases and they will die soon when TSHTF.

After these terrible storms, I just dare anyone to dump on a prepper.


87 posted on 07/02/2012 10:23:43 PM PDT by Marcella (God wouldn't vote for Romney so I won't, either.)
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To: Marcella
You need to get you one of these disposals!

88 posted on 07/02/2012 10:24:27 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer
I’ve been personally promised a bullet should I meet a fellow FReeper during SHTF.

Given the recent climate on FR, I'm not surprised.

89 posted on 07/02/2012 10:26:42 PM PDT by Old Sarge (We are now officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet)
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To: Marcella

Ahh... shucks ma'am it ain't nothing...
90 posted on 07/02/2012 10:29:31 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

That would work - now, if I can find one that color... I felt like a dunce when I put the scraps in the disposal and hit the switch. That switch stayed off for 5 days. Also, it took a few times flipping a light switch to remind me they didn’t work. I had several ways to have light, but the switch habit happened a few times at first.


91 posted on 07/02/2012 10:30:29 PM PDT by Marcella (God wouldn't vote for Romney so I won't, either.)
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To: Marcella

A piece of duct tape would solve the problem. ;-)


92 posted on 07/02/2012 10:33:40 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer
If it had happened in my area...

I would be out of fresh milk.

I would have to borrow some from my mom or drink the instant stuff.

The generator would keep the fridge and fans going.

AC would be off.

I would be very miffed because my business depends on the post office being up and running. I would have to ask my customers to bare with me, deliveries would be going out once a week until the local office was back up.

It would be a bit of a bother but nothing major.

93 posted on 07/02/2012 10:42:49 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Demons run when a good man goes to war)
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To: lonestar

Back in my radio days we small stations didn’t have generators. When the power went off we had to wait like everyone else.


94 posted on 07/02/2012 10:43:02 PM PDT by Terry Mross ( To all my kin: Do not attempt to contact me as long as you love obama.)
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To: Kartographer

And I have stacks of duct tape. When power is first off, one has trouble mentally moving from power mode thinking to no power mode thinking. It was automatic to push scraps in disposal but then reality hit me and I had to get it out.

I made another mistake. I had running water and a local paper was delivered evey day giving the status of water. I should have used my stored water instead of the running water because it could have gone bad and I wouldn’t know it until the next day when I got the paper. I won’t make that mistake again.

I can have running water when I don’t have running water. I use camp showers and put water in there and heat it in the sun and hang it by the kitchen sink and have running hot water. I have those for showers, too.


95 posted on 07/02/2012 10:44:47 PM PDT by Marcella (God wouldn't vote for Romney so I won't, either.)
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To: Marcella

I have these in almost every room of my house. Damn handy when power fails.


96 posted on 07/02/2012 10:44:47 PM PDT by packrat35 (Admit it! We are almost ready to be called a police state!)
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To: Kartographer

Jaysus that was an evil thread.


97 posted on 07/02/2012 10:45:59 PM PDT by Old Sarge (We are now officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet)
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To: packrat35

“I have these in almost every room of my house. Damn handy when power fails.”

Now why would anyone dump on a person that had ways to do things if power was out? It makes no sense. Maybe some of those dumpers were in these storms and had nothing. Will this wake them up? Probably not.

People here should be ready as we’ve had hurricanes, but every time the stores get emptied and gas stations run out of gas. I can’t live like that.


98 posted on 07/02/2012 10:55:57 PM PDT by Marcella (God wouldn't vote for Romney so I won't, either.)
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To: Old Sarge

To be honest, yes, it’s mind-control beams. And they emanate from every cable TV box in the nation.

_________

I’ve been saying this for years, it’s one of the reasons I personally turned off the TV back in the 90’s for good.


99 posted on 07/03/2012 2:55:41 AM PDT by The Working Man
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To: patton

One mile an hour, I’m disabled with an balance problem, I thought that was pretty good. Especially when you consider that there are no places to stop and sit to collect one’s self. It was only because a doorman at a local hotel took pity and went out, into the street, and stopped a cab that I even made it to Union Station. Traffic was a complete mess. Calling metro was worthless. They had a recorded message saying, “call back in 90 minutes!”

Yep, they all have a plan!

You’re right about the local merchants. It’s amazing what private individuals are capable of, especially when compared to government efforts!


100 posted on 07/03/2012 3:48:26 AM PDT by cpa4you (CPA4YOU)
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