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Have Environmentalists/EPA Triggered Electric Power Outages To 3 Million Americans?
JoeClarke.Net ^ | 07/03/2012 | JoeClarke.Net

Posted on 07/03/2012 4:53:42 PM PDT by joeclarke

As many people fall down in the sweltering heat, because of the loss of power to air conditioners, there are others jumping up and down, because the excessively hot weather seems be to punishing those naughty Americans, known around the world to use more than their "fair share" of energy. Coupled with the severe storms knocking out power lines, to an environmentalist, it may, indeed, be a perfect storm.

In the past several years, American power generating companies have been diverted from upgrading their existing equipment, including coal generating plants, transmission lines, substations, etc. on the Grid, by the incessant hounding of the EPA, which has redirected power companies away from upgrades and planned maintenance, and toward - anything but coal. The EPA has induced hundreds of billions of dollars of expenses, and plan even more penalties,fines, and taxes. To me, a penalty levied by the federal government is a fine, and is a tax.
Justice Roberts doesn't like "quibbling over labels," but its all the same - mo money demanded by the government. BTW, In the Senate, Energy policy has been creeping into the tax code [Carbon Tax] at an exponential rate" Senator Orrin Hatch, June 12, 2012.

From the East Coast, past Illinois, up to 3 million people have been without electrical power, and so the first suspects to be considered responsible for the catastrophes are, of course, the Environmental Protection Agency and its environmentally ill allies like the Sierra Club, as well as President Obama.

Even at this late date, 2,000,000 citizens are without power, including those within Washington, D.C. Bureaucratic slowdowns happily expected.
Obama promised to "bankrupt coal," and in fact, coal companies have been either closing down in droves, or are in the midst of powering down, thus causing the closure of coal powered electric generating stations, as well as coal mines, while firing thousands of workers. This prophetic notice by the Electrical Worker Online Coal Plant Shutdowns Threaten Blackouts from April of 2012, predicts exactly that - America's electric transmission grid will be overly burdened as coal plants are powered down:

"As utility companies face new deadlines for coal-fired power plants to comply with tight new EPA clean air regulations, many energy suppliers have plans to shutter plants that employ thousands of IBEW members rather than invest in costly upgrades.

If thousands of megawatts are suddenly taken off-line, this could trigger massive electricity shortages, just as demand is expected to increase, according to a regional transmission organization report.

A report from PJM, a regional transmission organization covering 13 states and the District of Columbia, estimates that 18,000 megawatts of electricity will be lost to the power grid due to expected coal plant shutdowns. That's the loss of enough power to light and heat 18 million homes."

It is very difficult to research the direct relationship between this June-July power outage and the powering down/switching/closing of coal fired electric generating plants, because the media is very protective of everything the evironmentalists and Democrats pontificate, and will seldom do stories that give a black eye to the Greens. Even power companies are very beholding and sensitive to the federal government environment czars, and must constantly ingratiate themselves in the presence of Obama's regulatory czars.

Even if the recent power outages are more due to storm/mechanical damage to the electric grid, rather than the
unavailability of backup power due to decommissioning of generating plants, the fact is, that American power companies have been distracted by the EPA and federal government from upgrading the transmission stations and other infrastructure as they are forced to invest capital into ways of transferring from the traditional (and cheap) coal to other sources such as natural gas. Either way, Obama's big rear is still sitting on American energy production. And, don't think they won't be going after natural gas with a vengeance, as they have attacked oil and nuclear through the years.

Here are some alarming charts/graphs of what is planned by the EPA as it robs Americans of its choice to use plentiful coal for energy.
From The Business Insider:

'The Cross-State Air Pollution Rule has received nothing but negative feedback from the affected energy industry, which argues the stricter federal emission law will result in higher costs for electricity and massive loss of U.S. jobs. The plan will also require billions of dollars to retrofit power plants with clean coal technologies.

According to a study prepared by the National Economic Research Associates (NERA), the legislation is among the most expensive EPA rules ever imposed on coal-fueled power plants that will cause electric rates to skyrocket by as much as 23 percent and lead to nationwide employment losses totaling 1.4 million job-years by 2020.

Power-plant closures are expected to increase in the coming months, as utilities complete their cost analyses of complying with the Cross-State rule, according to Industrial Info Resources. The EPA rule has already forced coal facilities in Ohio, North Carolina, Georgia, and Texas to retire old units, rather than bare the expense of installing pollution-control equipment.

The coal industry maintains that the EPA doesn't seem to care about the economic damage new regulations will cause."


From The Institute For Energy Research:

IER Identifies Coal Fired Power Plants Likely to Close as Result of EPA Regulations:


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To: dirtboy; Figment
When did AC become a necessity of living? It was non existent at one time and people lived comfortably. Why do they die from a lack of it now?

Are you so completely out of touch with reality as to not realize that refrigeration is probably the single largest boon to civilization along with the internal combustion engine, electricity, antibiotics, and surgical anesthesia? Without these five things, life would be unimaginably dirty, painful, uncomfortable, expensive, dangerous, limited, and short.


51 posted on 07/03/2012 6:25:18 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: Cyber Liberty

Western suburbs do not have the extent of issues that older East Coast suburbs do. My township had to install a five-mile long bypass line to deal with runoff issues that overflowed sanitary sewers. I doubt your suburb combined runoff and sanitary sewers, they learned from the mistakes that the East Coast made.


52 posted on 07/03/2012 6:26:52 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Cyber Liberty

I’m in the middle of a very localized drought this summer. Desert dry here but plenty of rain 20 o 30 miles away in all directions. There’s been a lot of rain in southern Michigan, just not here. We get thunder, lightning and wind but no rain. I hate the dry weather.

Its been this way since around the time of the ealy tornado in Dexter about 20 miles NE from here and I didn’t even get in rain that day.

I’m gonna start calling it a Drycho


53 posted on 07/03/2012 6:27:47 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: aruanan
Are you so completely out of touch with reality as to not realize that refrigeration is probably the single largest boon to civilization along with the internal combustion engine, electricity, antibiotics, and surgical anesthesia?

Good post, but you left out clean running water and flush toilets. All of these elements make modern civilization possible and for our old and weak to live decent lives.

54 posted on 07/03/2012 6:30:01 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy
You should be in the business of making sure your opinions fit the basic facts on the ground.

My opinions exactly fit the facts regarding grid maintenance, improvement, tree trimming and environazi/EPA interference in the same.

I've seen the results firsthand, and proper EPA performance would and will mitigate storm outages.

Pound sand.

55 posted on 07/03/2012 6:31:35 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Navy Patriot
My opinions exactly fit the facts regarding grid maintenance, improvement, tree trimming and environazi/EPA interference in the same.

Please provide us examples, then. With links. Especially, please show where EPA policies prevented power companies from trimming suburban trees that overhung power lines.

56 posted on 07/03/2012 6:33:25 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy
You make excellent points in #47. I have no snappy answer (because you are *correct*), but if the EPA has been making retrofits unaffordable (and I know there are denizens of that place who would like nothing more), then they are to blame for making a bad situation a worse situation.

I moved to the West for the same reason our forefathers moved to this continent: Our old sh!t was beyond repair. But stop saying your weather event is unique. It is not. Stop saying I didn't read your links. I did.

Last summer we had a Haboob, which is a crapload of destructive wind, I couldn't see across my suburban street, and it left dunes of dust in the streets. The pharmacies were running out of asthma meds. It took the grace of God with His rains to wash out the mess. And the utility guys reassembling the destroyed 65KV lines. Things are tough all over.

57 posted on 07/03/2012 6:33:45 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Cyber Liberty
There are no easy answers to any of this. For every sane citizen who supports basic tree maintenance, there is the idiot who resists such. And that idiot will be the first to complain when his power is out for more than a few hours due to a major storm such as this one.

And the same liberals who talk about taxing the rich will complain about property tax increases to fix local infrastructure problems.

That is just the nature of the idiots in the world. You have then in your neighborhood and I have them in mine. It's just that I have more of them in mine. :^)

58 posted on 07/03/2012 6:39:39 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy
Western suburbs do not have the extent of issues that older East Coast suburbs do. My township had to install a five-mile long bypass line to deal with runoff issues that overflowed sanitary sewers. I doubt your suburb combined runoff and sanitary sewers, they learned from the mistakes that the East Coast made.

We all have our crosses to bear, nature-wise. I type this as I look at my exterior thermometer which reads 110 Fahrenheit. I have a whole bunch of issues to deal with because of that. Now YOU go read up.

59 posted on 07/03/2012 6:41:06 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: joeclarke
It is all in accordance with United Nations Agenda 21, which was supported by Daddy Bush, Bill Clinton, Baby Bush and Obama.

We have no representation.

60 posted on 07/03/2012 6:43:08 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: dirtboy

We deal with idiots that won’t let us clear the brush from up against our houses because a Kangaroo Rat may be perturbed, then act surprised when a wildfire wipes out a few hundred $1 million homes. The EPA is filled with ivory-tower fools.

:^)


61 posted on 07/03/2012 6:44:03 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Cyber Liberty
Puh-leeze, I have lived through all flavors of heat, including Texas and Oklahoma.

Philly HHH weather (hot, hazy and humid) ranks up on the misery factor with just about anything.

62 posted on 07/03/2012 6:46:31 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Navy Patriot

My power company is shutting down their coal fired plants and putting up wind farms primarily on the east side of the state where the winds are minimal. Meanwhile the greenies are tearing out dams as fast as they can get approval.

We’re headed for a disaster


63 posted on 07/03/2012 6:49:09 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Cyber Liberty

And with that, it’s bed-time in my air-conditioned bliss that undoubtedly is fueled by coal and nuclear power.


64 posted on 07/03/2012 6:49:17 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy
Please provide us examples, then. With links.

Certainly, but you first.

You posted to Joe Clark: Uh, no.

It was a big honkin' derecho. Look up the term and the news before making such an uniformed claim.

Er, uninformed claim.

without posting links corroborating your position.

Considering Joe Clark posted several links and sources, you will back up your name calling fully and respectfully before I do.

As I said, pound sand.

65 posted on 07/03/2012 6:51:28 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Cyber Liberty

***Last summer we had a Haboob, which is a crapload of destructive wind, I couldn’t see across my suburban street, and it left dunes of dust in the streets. ***

Sounds like a common sandstorm to me.


66 posted on 07/03/2012 6:51:35 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I LIKE ART! Click my name. See my web page.)
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To: dirtboy

Yeah, me too. Thank goodness for EPA-free technology. I’m afraid I would quite die without AC in Phoenix. It can break your heart to see the mercury at 95 F when you get up in the morning. And our troopers in Iraq have it a lot worse, so I pray for them, with feeling.

Sleep well, my friend.


67 posted on 07/03/2012 6:55:16 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

It was a sandstorm...but uncommonly large. I’ve seen a few before, though. I’ve been here since 1980.


68 posted on 07/03/2012 6:57:03 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Mash Here. Just a little one.
69 posted on 07/03/2012 7:03:28 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: joeclarke

BINGO!


70 posted on 07/03/2012 7:06:50 PM PDT by CT
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To: cripplecreek
Here in California, the EPA has prevented upgrading and expanding to redundancy the high voltage grid, and been particularly hard on nuclear generation.

The PG&E and So Cal Edison have collaborated with the Cal PUC to push a mandatory high percentage of (nonexistent) green energy, while giving excessive bonuses to PG&E upper management.

They fired all the tree trimmers for the money and didn't outsource for two years, so we had storm outages like crazy. Then they cut the electricians that worked with the trimmers, so the trimmers can't work around live high voltage, and may not secure the power themselves.

We have both overhead and buried power. In CA, all power is on easements and citizens cannot interfere with tree maintenance because of that, so PG&E under the PUC can trim all they want, if they will pay for it.

71 posted on 07/03/2012 7:15:54 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Cyber Liberty

This afternoon on the History channel they were showing some pictures of a dust storm rolling in over NY city during the dust bowl years.


72 posted on 07/03/2012 7:17:09 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: aruanan

It’s not a necessity of life.


73 posted on 07/03/2012 7:21:52 PM PDT by Figment
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To: cripplecreek

I’m still enjoying your picture of the country drive you posted on another thread. Those were my favorite subjects, back when I took pictures, not far from where you are.


74 posted on 07/03/2012 7:21:52 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Figment

Come live where I do, and turn off the A/C. Then let’s see what necessary.


75 posted on 07/03/2012 7:23:40 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: dirtboy

So how did people live to 95 back then?


76 posted on 07/03/2012 7:26:20 PM PDT by Figment
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To: dirtboy

***It was a big honkin’ derecho.***

Just say THUNDERSTORM. It’s easier to remember.

Haboob? just say sandstorm.

Remember when NBC tried to coin a new word...”Thorms” and it went over like a lead balloon.


77 posted on 07/03/2012 7:27:36 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I LIKE ART! Click my name. See my web page.)
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To: Navy Patriot
The PG&E and So Cal Edison have collaborated with the Cal PUC to push a mandatory high percentage of (nonexistent) green energy, while giving excessive bonuses to PG&E upper management.

Yep that crap is going on everywhere. Decrease supply, pick up tax credits and breaks for going green while charging more.
78 posted on 07/03/2012 7:27:59 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: dirtboy

***BTW, derecho is a meterological term.***

I am 66 years old and have monitored weather conditions since I was ten years old and NEVER heard that word till this week.

I still remember an old NANCY cartoon from the 1960s in which she is listening to a TV weatherman talk about the weather in the most technical terms but never mentioned drechos.
Finally she gives up and asks an old man what his bunions say.


79 posted on 07/03/2012 7:33:40 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I LIKE ART! Click my name. See my web page.)
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To: Figment

***Why do they die from a lack of it now?***

Actually quite a few people died of heat back then. It was just called apoplexy.

Just like lots of people back then died of heart attacks but it was called “Indigestion”.


80 posted on 07/03/2012 7:37:33 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I LIKE ART! Click my name. See my web page.)
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To: cripplecreek
Oh, here it is...


81 posted on 07/03/2012 7:39:11 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Figment

***So how did people live to 95 back then?***

Very rarely. A family might have 15 kids. 5 will die before adulthood, 5 will die in their early adulthood, three die in middle age and one in beginning old age, and one at 95.


82 posted on 07/03/2012 7:46:11 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I LIKE ART! Click my name. See my web page.)
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To: Cyber Liberty
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83 posted on 07/03/2012 7:46:27 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Cyber Liberty

My family remembers this one. It was called a dust storm.

http://www.livinghistoryfarm.org/farminginthe30s/water_02.html


84 posted on 07/03/2012 7:50:19 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I LIKE ART! Click my name. See my web page.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

That was awful. I saw movie of that, and that little blow we had was nothing!


85 posted on 07/03/2012 7:56:17 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: cripplecreek

:^)


86 posted on 07/03/2012 7:57:28 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Cyber Liberty; Figment

***Come live where I do, and turn off the A/C. Then let’s see what necessary.***

I used to live in Farmington NM. One July 4th we decided to visit kin in Scotland Arkansas. We left Farmington it was 98 degrees and 12 % humidity, and I didn’t notice it at all. No Ac in my truck.

Two days later I am in Scotland, AR and my MIL decides to go to Clinton to do some shopping. It was 98 degrees with humidity about 90%.

We go into the store, and when I walked out I almost went to my knees as the heat just swarmed me. I felt like I had been hit with a hundred fists. Yet it was only 98 degrees.


87 posted on 07/03/2012 8:10:20 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I LIKE ART! Click my name. See my web page.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Well, there you go. I am impressed. Really! That is hot, and that’s humid too. I came home from work one day and the power was off in my house (We have a generator at work). My candles had all melted. ISYN. :^)


88 posted on 07/03/2012 8:16:11 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Cyber Liberty

Been there done that. I work in a foundry and it’s been above 100 for over a week. Tell me how hot it is where you live in your AC


89 posted on 07/03/2012 8:18:01 PM PDT by Figment
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To: Figment

Aw, it’s worse than that. I track and log the temperature in my lab to make sure I am taking good measurements. It’s locked in at 69F. It’s heck having to go through 110F heat in a prebaked car (180F) the two miles to home where it’s 77F year ‘round.

Oh well.it’s the cross I bear. I wouldn’t trade this for the world. Even with the occasional Haboob. I so hated the snow.


90 posted on 07/03/2012 8:24:06 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Cyber Liberty
Take 1 part environmentalists that object to transmission and generation being sited.

Add 1 part electric utilities that have been cowed from adding Tx and Gen capacity.

Add 16 parts radical BIG government bent on destroying coal (47% of US generation) via shuttering older plants; denying the Keystone pipeline; denying and delaying leases on federal lands; and an entire mindset that one can destroy existing energy infrastructure and replace it with untested and uneconomical resources.

Stir. And you have the Great Depression.

When CA went down in 2000, it created what those in the business call "INDUSTRIAL COLLAPSE" It looks very much like what the AP is trying to pass off as Climate Change.

91 posted on 07/03/2012 8:29:44 PM PDT by CT
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To: CT

Yep. All true. What are we gonna do about it?


92 posted on 07/03/2012 8:33:46 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: joeclarke

And then there’s the problem of the tree-huggers - a lot of the outages here in south Jersey were caused by trees being blown over on to power lines - in the rural areas this is to be expected, but even in a lot of built up areas it’s becoming almost impossible to keep trees adequately trimmed and controlled because of the greenies - in our town there is an “Environmental Committee” which must be consulted before any tree larger than 15” in diameter is felled, no matter how diseased or unattractive - they’ve eased up a bit because they’ve received so much resistance from a lot of people - one local cop told one of them that if they tried to interfere with what he did with his own trees they’d never know what hit them - but they’re still a major hindrance in the public’s being able to do what in many cases is known to be best for safety and the environment by those with at least a little common sense.....


93 posted on 07/03/2012 9:17:52 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: dirtboy

Do you have any familiarity with slagging and fouling, fusion temperatures, coke button, B&W Cyclones ?


94 posted on 07/04/2012 4:33:58 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Navy Patriot
Uh, I posted links to news stories about the event and a wiki description of a derecho. Now, you make a positive backing up this claim:

My opinions exactly fit the facts regarding grid maintenance, improvement, tree trimming and environazi/EPA interference in the same.

Please show where there has been such interference in tree trimming. Usually opposition is more by homeowners who don't want their pretty trees chewed up, but that is more short-sighteness on their part.

But the larger claim by Joe Clark is that the EPA's coal mandates have something to do with this particular outage. They don't.

95 posted on 07/04/2012 4:53:29 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

So tell me again what that has to do with the claims made by this particular blog post - that EPA policies were responsible for this outage, instead of a big thunderstorm complex?


96 posted on 07/04/2012 4:55:03 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

These are terms common to the coal industry.


97 posted on 07/04/2012 5:01:20 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
And so tell me again what they have to do with the core premise of this article - that the EPA's anti-coal mandates had bearing on this particular outage.

They don't.

And I am opposed to those mandates. And opposed to the anti-fracking dingbats. But that doesn't change the fact that this was a weather-related phenomenon, possibly aided in places by spot opposition to tree-trimming around power lines. But some storms go beyond that, when they bring down the entire tree on a power line and not just an overhanging limb.

98 posted on 07/04/2012 5:06:32 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

References to coal should be left to industry veterans.


99 posted on 07/04/2012 5:09:58 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

One doesn’t have to know how coal is mined to realize that shutting down coal plants around the country using over-zealous mandates is a bad thing.


100 posted on 07/04/2012 5:16:20 AM PDT by dirtboy
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