Have Environmentalists/EPA Triggered Electric Power Outages To 3 Million Americans?

JoeClarke.Net ^ | 07/03/2012 | JoeClarke.Net

[dirtboy]

Sorry to raise your hackles, but my intention was to convey that man cannot plan society for every eventuality.

Do you realize that this blog post was trying to blame human idiocy - namely EPA anti-coal policies - for a weather-caused outage?

[Cyber Liberty]

Knock it off.

Stating people who don’t agree with you 100% are ignorant of the facts is a logical fallacy. I’ve *studied* these phenomena for decades. To me the links provided (and read by me) were juvenile. I was hoping you could enlighten me about this particular one. I expected better from you, because I’ve “known” you for *years* on FR, and I thought you knew me better as well.

[Figment]

When did AC become a necessity of living? It was non existent at one time and people lived comfortably. Why do they die from a lack of it now?

[dirtboy]

Do you live on the East Coast? Have you seen what the trees we have here can wreak in a bad storm, be it thunderstorm or ice?

I have, and I have lived it. So I won't knock it off. You are clutching at straws here.

[Cyber Liberty]

Yes I do. That’s why you won’t see an overhead residential line in my city (in the West). We don’t care about trees, because we bury the lines.

Chopping down the pretty trees is not the only long term solution to the picture you accurately portray.

[dirtboy]

When did AC become a necessity of living? It was non existent at one time and people lived comfortably. Why do they die from a lack of it now?

Well, the persons who are now 95 years old and completely dependent upon modern technology to stay alive would not have lived that long back then.

[dirtboy]

Yes I do. That’s why you won’t see an overhead residential line in my city (in the West). We don’t care about trees, because we bury the lines.

And does your Western suburb deal with decades-old infrastructure that is already above ground?

[Cyber Liberty]

I have lived in the East. Stop thinking you are so damned special because you had a hurricane-sized patch of bad weather, which killed a lot of people. Do you think the people who live in hurricane ravaged areas have had it too easy or something, special guy?

You are starting to piss me off, and I came into this thread on your side.

[Cyber Liberty]

And does your Western suburb deal with decades-old infrastructure that is already above ground?

I guess he term "retrofit" has no purchase outside of Western suburbs.

[dirtboy]

Answer my post 47. It gets to the root of the issue. The costs of taking decades, if not century-plus infrastructure, and adapting it. Be it water lines, sewers, power lines and bridges.

[aruanan]

When did AC become a necessity of living? It was non existent at one time and people lived comfortably. Why do they die from a lack of it now?

Are you so completely out of touch with reality as to not realize that refrigeration is probably the single largest boon to civilization along with the internal combustion engine, electricity, antibiotics, and surgical anesthesia? Without these five things, life would be unimaginably dirty, painful, uncomfortable, expensive, dangerous, limited, and short.

[dirtboy]

Western suburbs do not have the extent of issues that older East Coast suburbs do. My township had to install a five-mile long bypass line to deal with runoff issues that overflowed sanitary sewers. I doubt your suburb combined runoff and sanitary sewers, they learned from the mistakes that the East Coast made.

[cripplecreek]

I’m in the middle of a very localized drought this summer. Desert dry here but plenty of rain 20 o 30 miles away in all directions. There’s been a lot of rain in southern Michigan, just not here. We get thunder, lightning and wind but no rain. I hate the dry weather.

Its been this way since around the time of the ealy tornado in Dexter about 20 miles NE from here and I didn’t even get in rain that day.

I’m gonna start calling it a Drycho

[dirtboy]

Are you so completely out of touch with reality as to not realize that refrigeration is probably the single largest boon to civilization along with the internal combustion engine, electricity, antibiotics, and surgical anesthesia?

Good post, but you left out clean running water and flush toilets. All of these elements make modern civilization possible and for our old and weak to live decent lives.

[Navy Patriot]

You should be in the business of making sure your opinions fit the basic facts on the ground.

My opinions exactly fit the facts regarding grid maintenance, improvement, tree trimming and environazi/EPA interference in the same.

I've seen the results firsthand, and proper EPA performance would and will mitigate storm outages.

Pound sand.

[dirtboy]

My opinions exactly fit the facts regarding grid maintenance, improvement, tree trimming and environazi/EPA interference in the same.

Please provide us examples, then. With links. Especially, please show where EPA policies prevented power companies from trimming suburban trees that overhung power lines.

[Cyber Liberty]

You make excellent points in #47. I have no snappy answer (because you are *correct*), but if the EPA has been making retrofits unaffordable (and I know there are denizens of that place who would like nothing more), then they are to blame for making a bad situation a worse situation.

I moved to the West for the same reason our forefathers moved to this continent: Our old sh!t was beyond repair. But stop saying your weather event is unique. It is not. Stop saying I didn't read your links. I did.

Last summer we had a Haboob, which is a crapload of destructive wind, I couldn't see across my suburban street, and it left dunes of dust in the streets. The pharmacies were running out of asthma meds. It took the grace of God with His rains to wash out the mess. And the utility guys reassembling the destroyed 65KV lines. Things are tough all over.

[dirtboy]

There are no easy answers to any of this. For every sane citizen who supports basic tree maintenance, there is the idiot who resists such. And that idiot will be the first to complain when his power is out for more than a few hours due to a major storm such as this one.

And the same liberals who talk about taxing the rich will complain about property tax increases to fix local infrastructure problems.

That is just the nature of the idiots in the world. You have then in your neighborhood and I have them in mine. It's just that I have more of them in mine. :^)

[Cyber Liberty]

Western suburbs do not have the extent of issues that older East Coast suburbs do. My township had to install a five-mile long bypass line to deal with runoff issues that overflowed sanitary sewers. I doubt your suburb combined runoff and sanitary sewers, they learned from the mistakes that the East Coast made.

We all have our crosses to bear, nature-wise. I type this as I look at my exterior thermometer which reads 110 Fahrenheit. I have a whole bunch of issues to deal with because of that. Now YOU go read up.

[Freedom_Is_Not_Free]

It is all in accordance with United Nations Agenda 21, which was supported by Daddy Bush, Bill Clinton, Baby Bush and Obama.

We have no representation.