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Conservative “expert” purists have to recognize people are voting AGAINST Obama not FOR Romney
coachisright.com ^ | Juky 5, 2012 | Kevin "Coach" Collins

Posted on 07/05/2012 10:40:20 AM PDT by jmaroneps37

The Drudge Report carries a picture of Mitt Romney jet skiing with his wife – “Oh no that’s it Barack Obama will cruise to reelection because all is lost!”

A few people, who we’ve heard of, have declared Romney’s campaign virtually dead because THEY don’t like his response to the two worst decisions from the Supreme Court.

These comments are, of course well meaning, but they remind us of the wide gap between grass roots activist TEA party conservative voters and conservative “leaders” who now want to run in front of the parade to appear to be relevant.

There is a huge surge of enthusiasm to get rid of Barack Obama that is happening in the streets and on conservative internet “meeting places” that will flush Barack Obama away in November. How can these “experts” not know this?

In my small but reliable poll 66% my overwhelmingly conservative readers said they were voting AGAINST Barack Obama and just 24% said they were voting FOR Mitt Romney! The large national polls won’t ask this question but that doesn’t alter the truth.

Our “expert” conservative leaders don’t yet understand that not only will conservative voters crawl through broken glass to vote against Obama, BUT more to the point, legions of Americans, especially White voters, who just desperately want Obama gone will see “ROMNEY” as the name on the toilet bowl handle that must be pulled down to flush away Barack Obama – America’s foulest mistake.

Over the past two years Obama’s nationally televised speeches have drawn fewer and fewer listeners. This is because Americans don’t care what he has to say, they want him gone.

Regardless of what he has done, Obama has not gotten ANY lasting “poll bounce” because Americans don’t care what he does, they want…..

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To: EternalVigilance

Do you really think that Romney will fire IG’s who do their job?

Do you really think that Romney will just decide that some laws won’t get defended in court?

Will Romney choose an AG who only prosecutes people of a certain skin tone?

Will Romney take the money from secured investors and give it to the unions?

Will Romney take over companies and make them extensions of the government?

Will Romney put people on terrorist lists because they support individual freedom?

Will Romney tell people to snitch on each other if they hold views different than his own, and then use that information to potentially attack the person’s ability to communicate with others?

Will Romney tell Israel’s secrets so they are not able to keep Iran from getting nuclear bombs?

Will Romney give away sensitive information about our SEALS, in order to get some credit for a military operation that he refused to take any responsibility for if anything went wrong? Will Romney put dozens of SEALS on one helicopter so that leaked info will allow all of them to be shot down in a retaliatory strike right after it became evident that the SEALS deserved all of the credit for the Bin Laden operation, and Obama was barely involved at all?

Will Romney make a treaty with Russia - and promise Medvedev even more “latitude” to do as Russia wants - to stop developing missile defense for ourselves and our allies while working to ensure that our radical enemy, Iran, gets nukes that it already has the delivery system to be able to deliver to our country and our allies?

Will Romney invite into the White House and appoint as his advisors communist terrorists such as Bill Ayers, mafia type people like the Teamsters guy, Louis Farrakhan and the New Black Panthers, and other Muslim terrorists such as Muslim Brotherhood, etc?

Will Romney have a cabinet that belongs on the DHS’s terrorist watchlist?

Will Romney arm Mexican cartels with untrackable guns without cooperating with Mexico? Will he TRY to cause gun deaths so he can get rid of the 2nd Amendment?

I am not a great fan of Romney. Romneycare forcing Catholic hospitals to perform abortions scares the heck out of me. The lawless shenanigans that the establishment used to get Romney as the nominee curdles my blood. I hear what you’re saying.

But I cannot believe that he would install lawless people to take over the whole infrastructure and get rid of all the means of accountability. I cannot believe that he would TRY to destroy the US economy.

Mitt Romney is flawed, but I do not believe he is an Adolf Hitler. Obama, on the other hand, has shown us that life, the rule of law, and truth mean absolutely nothing to him, and the people he values and listens to mirror the kind of people Hitler installed to do his work.

I wonder how many people wished they would have voted for somebody else after Hitler made his lawlessness apparent.


101 posted on 07/05/2012 1:40:58 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

Go support the pro-choice democrat socialist then. Nothing I can do about it.


102 posted on 07/05/2012 1:44:10 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (A Choice, not an Etch-A-Sketch. TomHoefling.com)
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To: Kazan

If the Soros communist-Islamist coup gets an Islamist regime under sharia installed within the next 4 years, what will it do to your hopes of getting Scott Walker elected in 2016?

You’re looking at long-term when the US has its arms and legs butchered off and is bleeding out on the floor. We don’t have that luxury. If we don’t apply a tourniquet now we will be dead before 2016 ever gets here.


103 posted on 07/05/2012 1:45:42 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

By the way, the answer is, generally, “no.” He will destroy the republic with a much nicer Republican smiley face painted on it all.

And with the assistance of the very folks who should be fighting him: Republican “conservatives.”


104 posted on 07/05/2012 1:47:30 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (A Choice, not an Etch-A-Sketch. TomHoefling.com)
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To: The_Victor

At least with Romney conservatives have a seat at the table, which is vastly superior to the current situation.
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ROFLMBO


105 posted on 07/05/2012 1:47:54 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: so_real

Which would you prefer: living under the cancer of Romney for 8 years, or being decapitated by Obama within one year?


106 posted on 07/05/2012 1:48:08 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: EternalVigilance

If a pro-choice democrat socialist was the only doctor that could apply a tourniquet to save my child’s life, I would rather do that than have my child’s blood on my own hands because I refused the help that was available to me at the time.


107 posted on 07/05/2012 1:50:58 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Starstruck

And Obama will appoint 3/3rds. When decisions are falling 5-4 we need everything we can get.

Disagree. Obama will be impeached before he appoints even one more. An antagonistic Senate will filibuster to avoid judicial appointment approval until after the proceedings. With regard to the SCOTUS, the GOPe is in the exact same boat as we conservatives. They are more likely to work with us for as long as we have a common opponent in Obama and his minions. The impeachment bill is already in Congress and gaining steam.


108 posted on 07/05/2012 1:51:31 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: EternalVigilance

If conservatives roll over and forget conservatism once the immediate crisis is over then what you say is true.

But if we die from the immediate crisis we’ll never even have the CHANCE to fight for conservatism.

We need to live to fight another day. Of course that can be an excuse to just live and then never take up the fight later on. But for sure we can’t take up the fight if we’re already dead. And if Obama is re-elected I guarantee that this country will be dead before 2016 ever gets here.


109 posted on 07/05/2012 1:54:47 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

He’s not here to help you or your child. He’s here to help himself, and to gain power at any cost. You’re mistaken, and your analogy is not apt.


110 posted on 07/05/2012 1:56:00 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (A Choice, not an Etch-A-Sketch. TomHoefling.com)
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To: so_real

Suppose that the miraculous happens and Obama is removed from office within the next 4 years.

Who do you think Joe Biden is going to appoint to the court?


111 posted on 07/05/2012 1:56:27 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

Either way, I'm dead. In which scenario do have the opportunity to fight back and die proudly? It kinda answers the question, don't you think?


112 posted on 07/05/2012 1:57:10 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: butterdezillion
If conservatives roll over and forget conservatism once the immediate crisis is over then what you say is true.

They're already doing it, in droves.

And the results are ugly, and utterly unprincipled, and despicable.

The creation of a completely unprincipled "conservative" electorate is infinitely more dangerous to the existence of this republic than Barack Obama could ever be.

Because, they are the only group of folks who represent any hope for saving the republic.

If that's gone, it's all gone, no matter who you put in office.

113 posted on 07/05/2012 2:01:22 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (A Choice, not an Etch-A-Sketch. TomHoefling.com)
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To: butterdezillion

Who do you think Joe Biden is going to appoint to the court?

Joe Biden's judicial appointments will be worse than Virgil Goode's, but no worse than Mitt Romney's. And, we'll have the benefit of an antagonistic Senate to impede Joe Biden. The Senate will not impede Romney in the least.


114 posted on 07/05/2012 2:01:50 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: EternalVigilance

Corrupt politicians have been gaining at others’ expenses since Adam and Eve left the Garden. What Obama is doing is a totally different ballgame. The guy is out to get rid of 90% of the world’s population and has said that he supports the Muslim agenda (which is the destruction of the US and Israel and the institution of worldwide sharia), and he is acquiring the power to do exactly that.

His puppet-master has said he is out to destroy capitalism and the US forever - and he is amassing the allies (communists and Islamists all over the globe), the infrastructure (all the powers, authority, control, and technologies of the most powerful country in the world), and the permission (through threatened, hand-tied judges and other systems of accountability) to do exactly that.

A person can live with fleas that feed off the host animal. They can’t live with pirannhas. Romney well may be the former, as you say. But Obama and Soros are DEFINITELY the latter.

If by having fleas I could rid myself of the pirhannas I’d choose that any day of the week.


115 posted on 07/05/2012 2:04:47 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: so_real

Living with cancer for 8 years doesn’t mean you’re dead. Within those 8 years somebody could find a cure.


116 posted on 07/05/2012 2:07:07 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: The_Victor
At least with Romney conservatives have a seat at the table

No they don't!

And by jumping on his bandwagon without making him for your vote in the upcomming election, you have forfeited any seat at the table.

117 posted on 07/05/2012 2:08:26 PM PDT by CharacterCounts (A vote for the lesser of two evils only insures the triumph of evil.)
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To: jmaroneps37

>people are voting AGAINST Obama not FOR Romney<

That about sums it up. I am voting against 0bama and I am not voting for Romney.

This author has not a clue.


118 posted on 07/05/2012 2:10:39 PM PDT by Principle Over Politics (Obamney or Rombama 2012. Two sides of the same coin. Pick your poisen!)
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To: EternalVigilance

Am I unprincipled?

It was people adhering to the principle of voting only for THEIR “pure” conservative candidate, rather than settling on an acceptable conservative and avoiding splitting the conservative vote, which got us Romney. Was that people being “unprincipled”, being “principled”, or just being short-sighted?


119 posted on 07/05/2012 2:11:28 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion
God used the Assyrians to wipe out Israel. Not because he thought the Assyrians were flawless, but because He had a purpose that He wanted to accomplish. God has always used clay pots to accomplish His purposes - including you and me. Sinners who deserved neither His vote nor His endorsement.

It sounds like what bothers you is pride. If Romney would just acknowledge that he needs you, then he would be more palatable. What you don’t like about him is that he doesn’t honor you, doesn’t woo you as if you mattered very much. It’s an understandable feeling - one that I think we all have - and yet it is not helpful to nurse that feeling right now.

I don’t want my child’s doctor to woo me. I want him to do the job at hand - keeping someone I love from dying. I love America. She is being systematically gunned down. I don’t care how rude the sheriff is to me, as long as he stops those I love from getting gunned down. In a crisis situation like this, I don’t have the luxury of accepting help only from those who woo me or show me how important they think *I* am. All that matters is if they will do what it takes to make sure my loved ones are not killed off. If that person gets us out of the immediate crisis, THEN we can go on to the luxury of building positive interpersonal relationships. But in a crisis where life and death are literally on the line, interpersonal conflicts are a luxury we can’t afford to waste time on.


----------------------- God might also use Obama to wake up the Christians in this country to see
where our true alliances are; do we trust God or a man. Will we do what is right and stand against evil when we see it or will we give into the pressure and go with someone we know is evil and corrupt. God gave us the wisdom and discernment to search out the truth and act as HE commanded us. Every person is imperfect, but when you see someone who forced 5 yr olds to be brainwashed into the gay lifestyle & put $50 abortions in his healthcare & forced the Catholic Church to leave MA after they have been providing adoption serves for 109 years, all because they would not let gays adopt children, you know that person is evil. Romney is not the typical politician who lies here or there. He is a radical leftist who is taking advantage of people who are scared of Obama. The gop wanted him because they know who he is and that he will get the liberal agenda through and then they won't have to fight those battles anymore.

Social conservatives don't "need" to be acknowledged. We already know Romney will not meet with us. If romney was really prolife, profamily.....he would have no problem meeting with us; he would sign the pro-life pledge. I am sick of people calling us Obama lovers because we won't vote for someone who is socially just like Obama. We don't need him, HE needs us. And no, it is not pride speaking, it's reality. I am trying to show people what a hypocrite some people around here are. Blame us for not voting for their guy, while not expecting ANYTHING FROM HIM. He and the gop was hoping that Obama was so damaged that even he would be leading by several points. He may one day reach out when he sees he can't win without us, but it will be too late because we now know who he really is. He can't keep a promise to us and to the log cabin republicans and everyone knows that.

I also am trying to point out to Christians who are voting for Romney, that THEY will be helping him pass gay marriage and other liberal policies across this country. Many voting for Romney, KNOWS he is not pro-life, pro-familly, pro-gun, against cap & trade..... but they don't care. They say they don't like him & scream how scared they are of Obama, but won't demand anything from him now. Once he's in it will be too late, just like with Obama. Most prolifers won't sell there souls for a person who they know is against everything they believe. Those who do, apparently are more afraid of Obama than God. It's all about who you trust. God or man.

120 posted on 07/05/2012 2:12:47 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness)
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To: so_real

If R’s win in a landslide, you don’t think that somebody would be able to convince Romney that he needs to choose “original intent” justices?

Virgil Goode will only appoint justices if he gets elected.


121 posted on 07/05/2012 2:14:03 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion
Your post reminds me of something I wrote last year in a slightly different context, but which overall applies to your post:

"In the recent debate over increasing the debt ceiling, the Democrats offered a plan to have a hungry eight hundred pound grizzly bear with fleas live in your house. The Republicans offered the bear, minus a few of the fleas. Now they want you to vote for them again because of their wonderful anti-flea credentials. But if you ask them about the bear in the living room, they call you a purist and an extremist."

Sept. 5, 2011


122 posted on 07/05/2012 2:15:13 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (A Choice, not an Etch-A-Sketch. TomHoefling.com)
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To: butterdezillion

Which would you prefer: living under the cancer of Romney for 8 years, or being decapitated by Obama within one year?


I’m trying to find a Christian way of saying this, but. Butterdezillion, you are such a drama queen. Your scaring people into voting for Romney, but not scare of God???


123 posted on 07/05/2012 2:17:51 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness)
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To: butterdezillion

If R’s win in a landslide, you don’t think that somebody would be able to convince Romney that he needs to choose “original intent” justices?

I'm sure he'll appoint "original intent" justices ... just like Bush did. Do you see where that went? At least voting for Goode is not voting for evil.


124 posted on 07/05/2012 2:20:49 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: butterdezillion

Being unprincipled is always being short-sighted, no matter now “wise” it may appear to some.

Being principled is always the practical thing to do over the long haul, because the natural law is that you reap what you sow. Some crops take longer to mature than others, but this has always been true, and it will remain true as long as this creation lasts.


125 posted on 07/05/2012 2:24:37 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (A Choice, not an Etch-A-Sketch. TomHoefling.com)
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To: Linda Frances

Linda, Obama has done all the same things you criticize Romney for, but also done much, much worse.

Suppose that the person running neck-and-neck against Adolf Hitler believed in abortion for rape victims but was opposed to the Holocaust. Would you vote for Corrie Ten Boom and allow Adolf Hitler to win the election? Why?

If you did vote for Corrie Ten Boom and Hitler won the election and buried millions of people dead and alive after starving and torturing them, just as everybody knew he would do if he was re-elected.... how would you convince yourself that their blood was not on your hands? How would you convince yourself that it was the God who you trusted who actually failed to protect those innocents, and not yourself?


126 posted on 07/05/2012 2:25:17 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: EternalVigilance

Lock and load.

That could be the result if Romney wins. It will be the result if Obama does.

Not that we don’t need a thorough house (and senate and WH) cleaning, but I’d like one more opportunity at the ballot box before we open the cartridge box.

We can stand on your hill and repeat your statement all day long but that doesn’t negate the fact that Obama must be removed and Romney has the best chance to do it.


127 posted on 07/05/2012 2:30:30 PM PDT by PoliticalArsonist
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To: Linda Frances

God is the only One who can save this country. Almost every day my husband and I remind each other that it is up to God whether He gives us another day, and another day of freedom. Because God is the Lord of life.

But that doesn’t mean that if I get mangled in a lawn mower I’m going to stay home and trust that God will make everything better. God gave me a brain and He gave me doctors. Who am I to tell Him that He has to heal me through a miracle instead of healing me through a doctor?

Reminds me of the illustration about a guy whose house was flooded. He climbed on the roof and prayed that God would save him. Soon a helicopter came along and put down a rope for him to grab so he could be brought into the helicopter and rescued. The man said, “No thanks. God is going to save me.” The man eventually drowned and when he got to Heaven he asked God why He didn’t save him. God said, “Well, I sent you a helicopter, and you wouldn’t come.”

You could adapt that story and say that the pilot of the helicopter was pro-gay, so the man on the roof refused the help because he was too holy to believe that God would use a flawed pilot to rescue him...


128 posted on 07/05/2012 2:32:50 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: so_real

I believe Roberts was threatened, just like a whole host of others. That’s what we’ll have forever, unless we find a way to disarm Soros’ threat of another run on the bank to collapse the US economy and capitalism. Having either Obama or Biden as his puppet is NOT going to disarm Soros.


129 posted on 07/05/2012 2:35:06 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: PoliticalArsonist

There’s no need to lock and load. All that is required to put the republic back on course is for conservatives to stop sacrificing what they say they believe on the altar of perceived political expediency.


130 posted on 07/05/2012 2:35:56 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (A Choice, not an Etch-A-Sketch. TomHoefling.com)
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To: EternalVigilance

Agreed. But what does “unprincipled” mean?

The Lord said we are to be as innocent as doves and as wise as serpents. What does that mean?


131 posted on 07/05/2012 2:36:12 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: so_real

You mean the Virgil Goode who was a democrat turned republican turned 3rd party? That Virgil Goode?

Sincere conversion or conversion of convenience as the tide of conservatism is rising again?

To me, removing Obama is the right thing. I will fight the battle to remove Romney if we cannot hold him accountable.

I will no denigrate you for acting on principle as many do here. I agree with your motivations and have made the same arguments ad infinitum. From reading your few posts here, I’d say that we agree more than 95% of the issues and the correct actions to get us on the right path. I thank you for your efforts and your civility. Heaven help us all.


132 posted on 07/05/2012 2:37:32 PM PDT by PoliticalArsonist
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To: PoliticalArsonist
"If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a small chance of survival. There may even be a worse case: you may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves."

-- Winston Churchill


133 posted on 07/05/2012 2:39:12 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (A Choice, not an Etch-A-Sketch. TomHoefling.com)
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To: EternalVigilance

And what happens in April of 2013 (for instance) when Soros makes a run on the bank, Obama declares martial law, and all the Hezbollah operatives poison every state with the bubonic plague so the Islamists can take over the state capitals and Washington DC?

Just as a possible scenario. The fact of the matter is that this could just as easily happen in October of 2012, so it might already be too late. But I’m wondering how conservative non-pandering would solve that problem to save this country at this point.


134 posted on 07/05/2012 2:42:15 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion; Linda Frances

Poor comparison, butterdezillion. In your scenario, you are looking for purity and the abortion issue is the single issue keeping one candidate from reaching perfection. In the real world, neither Obama or Romney are pure, or close to pure, and in fact they share the same impurities : bailouts, gun grabbing, abortion, amnesty, healthcare rationing, homosexualization, and big government. Instead of comparing Adolf Hitler and Corrie Ten Boom, try comparing Adolf Hitler and Chiang Kai-shek. It's a closer analogy. Why would you waste a vote on either? How do you justify your choice?


135 posted on 07/05/2012 2:42:34 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: butterdezillion
Agreed. But what does “unprincipled” mean?

Look closely at Romney's entire political career. It matches the definition perfectly.

The Lord said we are to be as innocent as doves and as wise as serpents. What does that mean?

Well, it certainly isn't a sanction on supporting evil.

136 posted on 07/05/2012 2:42:38 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (A Choice, not an Etch-A-Sketch. TomHoefling.com)
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To: butterdezillion

You can’t scare me into supporting a pro-choice democrat socialist, just to stop a pro-choice democrat socialist. Sorry.


137 posted on 07/05/2012 2:45:37 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (A Choice, not an Etch-A-Sketch. TomHoefling.com)
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To: jmaroneps37

In 1980 I voted FOR Reagan first and AGAINST Carter second.

In 1992 I held my nose and voted again for Bush because I grew up in Arkansas and hated Clinton (although by the time he became governor I was in college and he lost in 1980 and by 1982 I was living in TX).

I was livid when Dole got the nomination in 1996 and knew he’d lose.

I was very skeptical of GW in 2000 but HATED Gore (moved to TN in 1990 and he’s an idiot) and knew I had to vote for him in 2004 because Kerry was a doofus. But I didn’t trust him except on the military. I was correct in that his second term was dismal on all fronts.

I frankly don’t remember who I supported in the primary in 2008 but it wasn’t McCain.

And now I have this awful Romney to have to put on a hazmat suit to vote for. I truly fear he’ll be GW’s third and worse term.

I also don’t trust the GOP-e that SCREWED us in 2005 and 2006. Boehner and McConnell are not the leaders we need to STOP this liberal socialism dead.


138 posted on 07/05/2012 2:45:43 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Democrats are dangerous and evil. Republicans are useless and useful idiots.)
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To: PoliticalArsonist

You mean the Virgil Goode who was a democrat turned republican turned 3rd party? That Virgil Goode?

Yes! That's the one.

Sincere conversion or conversion of convenience as the tide of conservatism is rising again?

I sent you links to his positions on the issue and his voting history; you'll have to discern the degree of his "conversion" for yourself as I did, with research.

To me, removing Obama is the right thing. I will fight the battle to remove Romney if we cannot hold him accountable.

As will I. I just know removing Obama is higher probability than removing Romney -- so if we are going to force the issue of returning to conservatism now is the time to do it.

I will no denigrate you for acting on principle as many do here. I agree with your motivations and have made the same arguments ad infinitum. From reading your few posts here, I’d say that we agree more than 95% of the issues and the correct actions to get us on the right path. I thank you for your efforts and your civility. Heaven help us all.

Thank you. I feel the same.


139 posted on 07/05/2012 2:51:56 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: altura
Hard to be "for" Romney with a campaign like this!


140 posted on 07/05/2012 2:52:42 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Democrats are dangerous and evil. Republicans are useless and useful idiots.)
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To: butterdezillion
Linda, Obama has done all the same things you criticize Romney for, but also done much, much worse.

The reason Obama has done worse is because Romney has not had the power of the presidency. If you compare candidate Obama to candidate Romney, Romney is worse.


Suppose that the person running neck-and-neck against Adolf Hitler believed in abortion for rape victims but was opposed to the Holocaust. Would you vote for Corrie Ten Boom and allow Adolf Hitler to win the election? Why?

If you did vote for Corrie Ten Boom and Hitler won the election and buried millions of people dead and alive after starving and torturing them, just as everybody knew he would do if he was re-elected.... how would you convince yourself that their blood was not on your hands? How would you convince yourself that it was the God who you trusted who actually failed to protect those innocents, and not yourself?

Please. Your comparisons are crazy please don't compare Corrie Ten Boom to Romney. She was a Christian who stood against evil and not give into the pressures put on her. Romney was a republican who gave liberals what they wanted. The comparison would be : Hitler against Josef Stalin. Both Obama and Romney are responsible for the death of innocent babies.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Butterdezillion, you ARE such a drama queen. Thought you might like some Shakespeare to use to scare us pesky conservatives.

Woe, destruction, ruin, and decay;
The worst is death, and death will have his day.
Let's choose executors and talk of wills:
And yet not so, for what can we bequeath,
Save our desposed bodies to the ground?
Nothing can we call our own but death
And that small model of the barren earth
Which serves as paste and cover to our bones.

Within the hollow crown
That rounds the mortal temples of a king,
Keeps Death his court; and there the antic sits,
Scoffing his state and grinning at his pomp.
And there at Venice gave
His body to that pleasant country's earth,
And his pure soul unto his captain Christ,
Under whose colours he had fought so long.
Go thou, and fill another room in hell.
That hand shall burn in never-quenching fire,
That staggers thus my person. Exton, thy fierce hand
Hath with thy king's blood stain’d the king's own land.
Mount, mount, my soul! thy seat is up on high;
Whilst my gross flesh sinks downward, here to die.

141 posted on 07/05/2012 2:58:15 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness)
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To: so_real

I think you missed the comparison. Hitler is Obama. The pro-abortion but anti-Holocaust close competitor is Romney. The pure-as-the-driven snow but impossible to elect Corrie Ten Boom is Virgil Goode (hypothetically, or name whatever candidate you consider “pure” enough).

I’m saying would you vote for Corrie Ten Boon, trusting that God would protect the millions of people that Hitler has already shown that he will kill if re-elected..... or would you vote for the flawed (pro-abortion) candidate who could beat Hitler and ensure that the Holocaust didn’t happen?

You could even say that the candidate opposing Hitler is a pro-abortion, anti-Jew, anti-handicapped, white supremacist but he doesn’t support the Holocaust.

See the big difference about Obama is that he is not American; he doesn’t believe in or support any of the things that have made America exceptional - specifically the system of checks and balances, separation of powers, and the rule of law rather than the rule of men. We will always have crooks who want to rule. We will always have fallen people with stupid ideas. That’s a given, and that fits both Obama and Romney - as well as anybody who has been in Washington DC for very long. That’s because power corrupts.

The solution that our Founders came up with is a SYSTEM of accountability. And that system is what Obama is attacking with every ounce of his being, and what Romney has not been attacking.

A white supremacist might morally be a jerk, but if he still administers justice fairly he is a darned sight better than a Hitler, who throws out the rule of law and rules by executive order according to his own personal whims. Romney is flawed but he is not a lawless, anti-American, foreign enemy combatant like Obama has clearly demonstrated that he is.


142 posted on 07/05/2012 3:03:30 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion
God is the only One who can save this country. Almost every day my husband and I remind each other that it is up to God whether He gives us another day, and another day of freedom. Because God is the Lord of life.

Exactly, God is the only one who can save our country. But what happened when the people demanded a king (man) like the world had; to replace God? Most of Israel's kings did not follow God's laws (Romney & Obama) and God punished Israel. If we stand with someone we know is evil, we will be held accountable. All people are imperfect, but some are so wicked that we can't help them further evil.

143 posted on 07/05/2012 3:05:47 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness)
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To: EternalVigilance

I was hoping that you’d see it might not be a crime against humanity, unprincipled, or treason if a person votes for a pro-choice democrat socialist in order to stop a lawless, tyrannical, murderous, communist-Islamist pro-choice democrat socialist who has filled the whole government infrastructure with unaccountable czars who are trampling the rule of law and protecting every thuggish tactic that this puppet’s master chooses to use for the purpose of destroying America and capitalism and installing worldwide sharia for his allies.


144 posted on 07/05/2012 3:08:30 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Linda Frances

Linda, I don’t think you’re capable of following my analogies, since you seem to think I was comparing Romney to Corrie Ten Boom. Maybe we should just drop this discussion.


145 posted on 07/05/2012 3:12:52 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

Linda, I don’t think you’re capable of following my analogies, since you seem to think I was comparing Romney to Corrie Ten Boom. Maybe we should just drop this discussion.


Did you enjoy Shakespeare?


146 posted on 07/05/2012 3:16:26 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness)
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To: C19fan

I did happen to see my first Romney sticker at Mass this morning


147 posted on 07/05/2012 3:16:42 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: butterdezillion

I think you missed the comparison. Hitler is Obama. The pro-abortion but anti-Holocaust close competitor is Romney. The pure-as-the-driven snow but impossible to elect Corrie Ten Boom is Virgil Goode (hypothetically, or name whatever candidate you consider “pure” enough).

Ahhh ... so given a choice between Hitler (Obama), Kai-shek (Romney), and Ten Boom (Goode) ... I vote for Corrie Ten Boom every time. No question or doubt about it. I flip that lever and I don't look back. Great analogy :-)


148 posted on 07/05/2012 3:16:42 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: muawiyah

I agree both candidates are awful


149 posted on 07/05/2012 3:20:14 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: butterdezillion

Linda, I don’t think you’re capable of following my analogies, since you seem to think I was comparing Romney to Corrie Ten Boom. Maybe we should just drop this discussion.


Actually your examples are extreme to say the least. How about you start holding Romney’s feet to the fire NOW. Look at candidate Romney vs. candidate Obama. If all republicans knew the truth about romney, they would have the phones down in DC and romney would be stopped at the convention.

Romney                                                     Obama
pro abortion                                                 pro abortion
pro gay marriage                                        pro gay marriage
pro gay adoption                                          ? 
pro cap and trade                                       pro cap and trade
pro tarp                                                           pro tarp
pro gun control                                             pro gun control 
pro amnesty                                                   pro amnesty
pro raising taxes                                          pro raising taxes
socialized heathcare                                   socialized heathcare
believer in global warming                          believer in global warming

Most conservatives are smart enough to look at what people DO and not what they say. Romney’s fake pro life and pro family stands were for the primary. In his own words, he said he was for one thing, then said and or DID the opposite.  Romney can’t be trusted to keep his word. 

-Romney refused to go to ONE pro life or pro family event. He said conservatives will vote for him. He is arrogant and not a conservative. At least Obama respects his people enough to go to their events and ask for their votes. 

-Romney overruled his own Commissioner of Public Health and lied about state law in order to compel Catholic hospitals to issue abortifacient pills.

-Romney aggressively BOOSTED government funding for pro-homosexuality indoctrination. Parents could not opt out their 5 yr olds from indoctrination.

-Romney forced all adoption agencies in MA to let gays adopt innocent children. The Catholic Church had to stop Catholic Charties Adoption Services after doing it for 109 years.

-Romney refused to sign the pro life pledge. 

-Raised taxes/fees over 300% while being Governor of MA.

-Implemented a state-level Cap and Trade system.

-Supported Man-Made Global Warming.

-Supported the Brady Bill.

- Implemented a state level “Assault” Weapons Ban after the Federal AWB was allowed to expire.

-Supported TARP.

-Supported Amnesty for Illegal Aliens (Citizenship for those already here).

-Supported McCain-Kennedy (Amnesty).

-We know he was the one who went after Sarah and HER FAMILY four years ago. HE gave us Obama. I guess he believed if he can’t win, our nominee can’t either


150 posted on 07/05/2012 3:23:19 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness)
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