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Dick Morris: Obama to Sign UN Gun-Grab Treaty and RAM IT DOWN OUR THROATS
Reaganite Republican ^ | July 18, 2012 | Reaganite Republican

Posted on 07/18/2012 4:24:53 AM PDT by Reaganite Republican

But the Senate will never ratify, you say?


Guess what, they don't need to...

Speaking on Fox and Friends this morning, Dick Morris explained that when the US signs such an international treaty, the nation is bound until the Senate rejects it or the President renounces it. In just nine days from now, the terms of this treaty will be finalized.

Morris went on to say that this heinous agreement -which would in-affect repeal the the Second Amendment and deny us all of the divine right to self-defense- will likely be signed by Obama... then Harry Reid will simply never bring it up for a vote, keeping the ATT treaty in-effect.

Then, if Dear Leader actually manages to win a second term and continues with his ongoing date-rape of this country, he will of course never renounce it, either... meaning we're stuck with it for a minimum of 4.5 years, in which time they'd be able to assault your Second Amendment gun rights relentlessly... a fait acompli

What to do?

Sign this White House petition, which can be loosely translated as "From My Cold, Dead Hands!"... -here- 
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To: philman_36
Preventing it going through the Senate simply means that it has not met the 2/3rds requirement of Senate approval.

Phil ... got another one here who needs to be familiarized with the Senate's quorum rules ... I'll leave it in your capable hands.

51 posted on 07/18/2012 5:21:16 AM PDT by tx_eggman (Liberalism is only possible in that moment when a man chooses Barabas over Christ.)
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To: Biggirl

Well, I respect your optimism anyhow.

What we need to do is make “Repeal John Boehner” a required campaign promise by any conservative running for Congress in 2012.

The man’s been a disaster. I hate to say this but Obama has done more damage since our 2010 victory than he had done in his first 2 years with Pelosi in control.

Another 2 years of John Boehner could mean losing the House.


52 posted on 07/18/2012 5:23:37 AM PDT by tsowellfan (http://www.cafenetamerica.com/)
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To: Reaganite Republican
When can we stop with the silly crap of petitioning people who don't give a crap what we want, and hold them to their oath?

How many of our elected criminals glossed over the raping of the constitution by straight abdication of their oath of office.

How many are millionaires since they have been in their office?

When can we all (collectively) put on our big boy & girl underwear and put an end to these assclown crooks?

53 posted on 07/18/2012 5:24:41 AM PDT by SERE_DOC ( “The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.” TJ.)
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To: saganite

“Even if Barry is re elected there is an excellent chance the Republicans will take the Senate. Their first order of business would be to schedule a vote on the treaty.”

And the second order of business just went from closing the EPA to the impeachment of Mr. Soetero.


54 posted on 07/18/2012 5:25:32 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (ABO 2012)
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To: Reaganite Republican

I’m not buying it.

Yet.


55 posted on 07/18/2012 5:25:50 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Reaganite Republican

People, people, need we remind you, this is Toe-sucker! The man who’s documented to be wrong 99 and 44/100 % of the time (to paraphrase Rush).

Although he might be having a Bill Clinton “blind hog finds a nut once in a while” moment.


56 posted on 07/18/2012 5:27:34 AM PDT by Old Sarge (We are now officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet)
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To: saganite
"Even if Barry is re elected there is an excellent chance the Republicans will take the Senate. Their first order of business would be to schedule a vote on the treaty."

I wish that I could believe that that would make a difference, but there is nothing in the last 20 years that sticks out as a guide post of what the republicans have accomplished to stand for the Constitution. Other than placating an apathetic constituency.

Giving themselves automatic pay raises, throwing some "bridge to nowhere" dumbass project by way of capitulation for some other dumbass project.

57 posted on 07/18/2012 5:32:14 AM PDT by SERE_DOC ( “The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.” TJ.)
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To: mouse1

You can’t ratify a treaty by executive order. There is a Constitutional process that has to be followed.


58 posted on 07/18/2012 5:32:29 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Biggirl
"The UN is simply NOT the strong-arm organization that it claims it is."

That is exactly right. It's a toothless old man, utterly worthless in enforcement of anything without U.S. muscle and money.

If anyone believes for a second that the U.S. military will begin scouring their own country to confiscate privately held weapons from the citizenry.....they have another thing coming. Won't happen.

...and they (the U.N.) sure as HELL won't try to send in foreign, blue-helmeted troops to do the dirty deed. They'd be mowed down in the streets. Fact.

59 posted on 07/18/2012 5:36:16 AM PDT by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: listenhillary; fr_freak; Biggirl
I agree with Biggirl's prediction. What you say should happen and what will most likely happen are two different things.

We're talking about a pResident who took us to war with Libya after consulting with the UN (not Congress) but that's not the point... it was called a NO FLY ZONE and we saw what Obama's No Fly Zone really was. Carpet Bombing.

The man has taken the American State of Arizona to the United Nations with a complaint against the state.

Think about it. If things appeared to get out of control, where do you think Obama will go to seek help?

If Carpet Bombing is now what a No Fly Zone is I would hate to see what a No Weapons Zone would look like with Chinese and Russian planes flying above under the UN flag.

60 posted on 07/18/2012 5:36:35 AM PDT by tsowellfan (http://www.cafenetamerica.com/)
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To: Reaganite Republican
While I would spit on anyone who wants to take away my right to own a gun (I have not excercised that right yet), if I want a gun and the govt has enacted laws to prohibit me from legally obtaining one to protect my family ... like any criminal out there ... if I want a gun ... I can get one. And perhaps this is the better way to get one as the govt will have no knowledge that I possess it if I bought it from a crook.

Just musings ... maybe I will go fill out the MD handgun application at lunchtime.

61 posted on 07/18/2012 5:41:06 AM PDT by dartuser ("If you are ... what you were ... then you're not.")
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To: xzins
There is a Constitutional process that has to be followed

It would probably be the first Constitutional process Obama would have followed. Knowing that the man sacrificed hundreds of Mexican lives south of the border and who knows how many American lives were lost solely to manipulate public opinion against the 2nd Amendment, something tells me this issue may not be when Obama miraculously decides to follow a Constitutional process.

62 posted on 07/18/2012 5:42:56 AM PDT by tsowellfan (http://www.cafenetamerica.com/)
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To: King_Corey; Reaganite Republican; dubyajam; listenhillary; Arthur McGowan; xzins; Maurice Tift; ...
King_Corey: " Y’all don’t want to play this game in Texas and much of the South and West. It will be a hell of a fight,"

I wish it were so. The Feds will isolate and eliminate.

We've already proved that us Texans will not run to the sound of the guns if the Fed propagandists simply label the "rebels" as child rapists. And the CIA has been honing those skills for a decade in the middle east.


63 posted on 07/18/2012 5:42:56 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Biggirl

“Yes officer ... yes sir ... thats correct sir, I did purchase a Glock just yesterday ... but I left it in my car overnight and it was stolen ... I have no idea where it is now.”


64 posted on 07/18/2012 5:44:45 AM PDT by dartuser ("If you are ... what you were ... then you're not.")
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To: sam_paine

I wish we could all be like Texas. That’s why I love Texas so much!


65 posted on 07/18/2012 5:49:51 AM PDT by tsowellfan (http://www.cafenetamerica.com/)
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To: tsowellfan

“If Carpet Bombing is now what a No Fly Zone is I would hate to see what a No Weapons Zone would look like with Chinese and Russian planes flying above under the UN flag.”

Long before we get to that point, there would be a military coup.


66 posted on 07/18/2012 5:50:44 AM PDT by SatinDoll
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To: dubyajam

“I smell a revolution”

You too eh. I’ll go out on a limb, and say November for that revolution.


67 posted on 07/18/2012 5:51:50 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Biggirl
I second it. It will happen. People will simply “hide” their guns, no doubt.

Mine is hidden right now......but very very close to me.

68 posted on 07/18/2012 5:52:31 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: xzins
This is a serious issue, but I think Morris overstates this.

There is no way that a treaty could be found legally binding if it has not gone through the Senate.

You are, of course, correct.

However, we are now living in a "post-Constitutional" republic; and the long list of actions taken by this administration shows that they are now untethered from the restraints of the Constitution. I won't insult you by laying out the list of actions that demonstrate this.

69 posted on 07/18/2012 5:56:02 AM PDT by wolf24
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To: tsowellfan

While I think Obama is pond scum, we’re talking about the when something becomes the supreme law of the land.

A treaty does not become law until it is ratified by the US Senate.

Until then, trying to enforce it would hold up in no court in the land.

That, I believe, is why we were trying to repeal ObamaCare. We wanted it no longer to be the law.

Without being the law, it would have been unenforceable.


70 posted on 07/18/2012 5:57:43 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Jim Noble; Reaganite Republican; dubyajam; King_Corey; listenhillary; Arthur McGowan; xzins; ...
Jim Noble: People who take Constitutional interpretation from a toe-sucker are bound to get easily riled up. Never mind that the Constitution, and the Supreme Court say otherwise - if Dick Morris says it, that's good enough for me /s.

True as far as it goes.

But they don't need to erase the Bill of Rights to reach out to you.

Technically, you will still have your RKBA, in your home, subject to a tax (not a penalty.)

Oh and, your name is on an International Travel list for additional "reasonable" scrutiny (3 hrs detention each way) if you want to go on vacation.

Of course, if you want to stay at home, no problem. But if you want access to international internet links (international includes anything that goes via satellite), you'll have to pay a gun safety advocacy tax, and your posts will have to be approved in Brussels.

Do you want a product with an Intel processor? Sorry, they're an international business, and they also have to abide by the California legislature's extra-constitutional embrace of this treaty. So you have to be approved for purchase of that product.

Bureaucracies move slowly, except when they're expanding. So some of this could easily happen by 2016.

But don't worry. Your legal team that you pay for in BernankeBills can still file a complaint in Federal Court on your behalf and cite "Reid v. Covert" with grand rhetorical flourishes!

Yeah. They have no technical authority. But they do have POWER, RESOURCES and TIME.

71 posted on 07/18/2012 5:58:58 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: wolf24

please see #70


72 posted on 07/18/2012 5:59:55 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: sam_paine

In that case they kinda were. That is why they were able to get away with it.


73 posted on 07/18/2012 5:59:57 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: sam_paine

After touching a hot stove, most learn from that experience. After seeing someone touch a hot stove, others learn not to do the same. The Branch Dividian incident happened in 1992? Twenty years is a long time. Social media reporting didn’t really exist. They might have a harder time controlling the story.

We can learn from the flash mobs. But we are dependent on state controlled communication that can be flicked off at a moments notice.

I have no clue how Americans will react. I have no clue if the county sheriffs, local police, national guard would obey if a out of control president gave them questionable orders.


74 posted on 07/18/2012 6:02:52 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: sam_paine

All the things you mention are potential risks. And they would have been more concerning if they had happened before the government ran out of OPM.

They are a toothless tiger now, though it doesn’t mean they will not cause at least SOME pain.


75 posted on 07/18/2012 6:04:09 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Jim Noble
People who take Constitutional interpretation from a toe-sucker are bound to get easily riled up.

Never mind that the Constitution, and the Supreme Court say otherwise - if Dick Morris says it, that's good enough for me /s.

Yes, we can certainly rely on the Supreme Court to do the right thing here as evidenced by the stellar and honorable behavior in the healthcare ruling. And, we can certainly rely on this administration to follow the Constitution to the letter in issues such as this /s.

76 posted on 07/18/2012 6:08:56 AM PDT by wolf24
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To: dartuser

You might first consider moving to a state where the very idea of having to full out a state application to simply own a weapon is absurd and unthinkable.


77 posted on 07/18/2012 6:10:14 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: listenhillary; All

Obama is like if you let some acquaintance stay at your house a while and then he not only steals your cash, food, and guns but won’t leave... then threatens to burn it down if you dare ask him to


78 posted on 07/18/2012 6:10:31 AM PDT by Reaganite Republican
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To: Reaganite Republican

Only 9 signers on the petition link - goes to a WH webpage. Can’t sign without a WH account! What the dickens is going on?

There are plenty of other petitions out there without messing with that one. There’s one on Dick Morris’s website and Rand Paul has been circulating one also as well as other organizations.


79 posted on 07/18/2012 6:11:44 AM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: Reaganite Republican

The Senate MUST RATIFY a treat before it becomes law, Dick.


80 posted on 07/18/2012 6:13:27 AM PDT by nonsporting
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To: Reaganite Republican

The Senate MUST RATIFY a treat before it becomes law, Dick.


81 posted on 07/18/2012 6:13:28 AM PDT by nonsporting
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To: BCR #226

“I hope Obama realizes and is ready for what he is about to unleash.”

He both realizes, and doesn’t care.

A narcissistic, sociopathic tyrant like Obama does not have the capacity to realize that there are other people. There is only him, and a bunch of objects out in the periphery that he needs to manipulate to get what he wants. The fact that these objects look like human beings is of no fundamental interest to him except that it dictates how they have to be manipulated. Ultimately, on a human level, he cares not a wit for anyone in the entire world - even his friends and family - except in terms of what they can do for him, how they might thwart his wishes, and exactly how they have to be manipulated in either instance.

The idea that he cares a rap about this country or the people of this country in any real sense is laughable. Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Hitler - perhaps a bit of shallow sentimentality from time to time, but no real, human understanding of the suffering and damage they caused, even while millions died in agony, and many more lived in terror and suffering.


82 posted on 07/18/2012 6:21:09 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: SECURE AMERICA; All

England never had troops going house to house to lose their right to arms. They lost it gradually, bit by bit, through regulation. This essay explains it fairly well:

GUN REGISTRATION IS GUN CONFISCATION

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2608785/posts


83 posted on 07/18/2012 6:22:30 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: tom paine 2
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84 posted on 07/18/2012 6:26:06 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (Now you be pickin' my cotton!)
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To: marktwain

“England never had troops going house to house to lose their right to arms. They lost it gradually, bit by bit, through regulation.”

Consider the government can ban the sale and ownership of ammunition at any time. Without ammunition, what good are the firearms?


85 posted on 07/18/2012 6:31:11 AM PDT by Soul of the South
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To: Smedley
Obama will never sign such a document BEFORE the next election. He’s a libtard, but isn’t totally brain-dead when it comes to his political survival.

That is my thought as well. For the sake of discussion let's assume for the moment that he understands the potential impact on his re-election and may still move forward. It would mean that he is not concerned about re-election and has other plans. The possibilities are extremely chilling and I begin to feel like a paranoid conspiracy theorist when I think this way. So what are options?

1. He is an even bigger idiot that we think and will do it believing that it won't be an issue in the election.

2. He knows it will be an election issue, but in his supreme arrogance believes he can spin the enough of electorate in such a way as to persuade them that it is for their own good to give up the fundamental right to bear arms as well as the independence and sovereignty of the United States. It is sad to say, but he might be right on that one.

3. He is planning to withdraw from the race. The only Democrat alternative at this point would be Hillary who, despite her current more populist image, is Obama's ideological doppelgänger. In the ensuing hubbub over his withdrawal and her entry in the race, the noise about this treaty would simply fade away, thanks to an obsequious press.

4. He intends to find some pretense to postpone or suspend the election altogether.

I cannot think of another alternative. In the first case the American people wake up and send the guy packing back to Chicago with his tail between his legs. In the second and third cases the only real solution is to ensure that we take the Senate back. And not with spineless RINOs, but with conservative patriots who will stand against socialist/communist encroachment regardless of who occupies the White House. Overcoming the fourth alternative is, shall we say, a bit more ominous.

86 posted on 07/18/2012 6:35:28 AM PDT by newheart (At what point does policy become treason?)
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To: BCR #226
I feel sorry for the cops and other law enforcement out there. They’ll take the brunt of it.

They'll have a choice.

They will either resign their positions, turn in their badges and credentials, and resist tyranny as private citizens ...

OR

become "domestic enemies" of these United States.

87 posted on 07/18/2012 6:39:24 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: cuban leaf

“I’m not buying it. Yet.”
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One worrying sign is that these sort of UN negotiations are public, as were these

That is UNTIL the NRA stared showing-up... the ATT treaty negotiations have since been conducted IN SECRET

It’s ready for signing in just 9 days from now... seems to me the time for alarm would be now


88 posted on 07/18/2012 6:40:06 AM PDT by Reaganite Republican
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To: cuban leaf; All

“I’m not buying it. Yet.”
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One worrying sign is that these sort of UN negotiations are public, as were these

That is UNTIL the NRA stared showing-up... the ATT treaty negotiations have since been conducted IN SECRET

It’s ready for signing in just 9 days from now... seems to me the time for alarm would be now


89 posted on 07/18/2012 6:40:37 AM PDT by Reaganite Republican
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To: sam_paine

The military is not bound to obey illegal orders, tho... and Obama will have certainly violated his oath of office if this goes down


90 posted on 07/18/2012 6:42:24 AM PDT by Reaganite Republican
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To: tsowellfan
Good point.
91 posted on 07/18/2012 6:56:26 AM PDT by kitchen (Over gunned is better than the alternative.)
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To: Biggirl
Sing along, everybody:

♪ ♫ ♬ "Me and my backhoe..." ♪ ♫ ♬


92 posted on 07/18/2012 6:59:27 AM PDT by carriage_hill (All libs and most dems think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: andy58-in-nh
Not possible right now ... my work and family situation dictates I remain here in MD. But 5 years from now ... we are outtahere ...

Perhaps Tennessee or South Carolina ...

93 posted on 07/18/2012 7:05:38 AM PDT by dartuser ("If you are ... what you were ... then you're not.")
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To: ArrogantBustard; All
I feel sorry for the cops and other law enforcement out there. They’ll take the brunt of it.

They'll have a choice.

They will either resign their positions, turn in their badges and credentials, and resist tyranny as private citizens ...

OR

become "domestic enemies" of these United States.

They have a third choice "resign in place" and become intelligence assets for the resistance. It is a very dangerous choice, but very effective.

94 posted on 07/18/2012 7:15:30 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: Biggirl
What will simply happen is that people will hide their guns, PERIOD.

If the government is coming to take your guns, it's time for you to remember why you have them in the first place. The 2nd Amendment isn't about duck hunting.

95 posted on 07/18/2012 7:32:34 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: kempster

“Paging John Boehner!

Sorry, what’s up? I was in the tanning booth!”

I knew America wasn’t ready for an orange House Speaker lol


96 posted on 07/18/2012 7:38:20 AM PDT by Reaganite Republican
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To: cuban leaf
In that case they kinda were [child rapists]. That is why they were able to get away with it.

Really? How do you know they were? Because the government put out press releases accusing them of being child rapists? That is the whole point - the government can accuse anyone of anything to justify their actions, and the sheep simply respond, "Oh, they might be child rapists? Well, I guess it's cool if you send in armored vehicles and burn them all to the ground, then."
97 posted on 07/18/2012 7:46:11 AM PDT by fr_freak
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To: RightOnline
The military might not confiscate but the ATF,FBI,
DHS etc... will declare any resistance terrorism and
their agents will have no problem committing murder
to eradicate those nasty domestic terrorist. This
will really dirty and bloody if the agents forsake their
oaths to the Constitution and simply “follow orders
and just do their jobs” like the guards said at Nuremburg.
98 posted on 07/18/2012 7:47:38 AM PDT by sarge83
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To: listenhillary; cuban leaf; Reaganite Republican; Jim Noble
After touching a hot stove, most learn from that experience. After seeing someone touch a hot stove, others learn not to do the same. The Branch Dividian incident happened in 1992? Twenty years is a long time. Social media reporting didn’t really exist. They might have a harder time controlling the story.
We can learn from the flash mobs. But we are dependent on state controlled communication that can be flicked off at a moments notice.
I have no clue how Americans will react. I have no clue if the county sheriffs, local police, national guard would obey if a out of control president gave them questionable orders.

The military is not bound to obey illegal orders, tho.

[Having run out of Other Peoples Money, the Feds] are a toothless tiger now, though it doesn’t mean they will not cause at least SOME pain.

So true all of them. Except the assumption that the military won't fire on armed civvies, esp. those resisting authority during a "crisis"---even if they're sympathetic. May I remind you of 9/10 and 9/11 and 9/12?

On 9/10, FreeReplublic and WallStreet and the Feds had NO IDEA what was about to happen to the country. Even Alex Jones could not have envisioned the TSA on 9/10 and if he had, EVERYONE would have told him "that's impossible in Texas, etc."

On 9/11, Lt. Heather Penney is considered a hero today because she was considering downing a civilian plane full of Americans. When TSHTF and chaos reigns, the military will fall back on discipline and duty--as they should! And they will. The next "crisis will not go to waste."

On 9/12, FR was up, but it was a jumbled mess of repeated nonsense from the MSM. Next time as listenhill says, the gov can shut down the internet and turn on the (now fed controlled) Emerg Broadcast System and let Big Sis take the mike and tell us what is "happening" and what we "must do."

When the next Waco's start happening, if FR or FB or twitter became a tool being used against the feds, they'd just ZOT it. Then we can sue them for violating the 1st amendment! Yippee!

99 posted on 07/18/2012 7:59:30 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: fr_freak

I did a good deal of research on Koresh after the fact. The government was smart. They picked someone that it was hard to stand behind.


100 posted on 07/18/2012 8:00:11 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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