Skip to comments.OBAMA’S KENYAN BIRTH RECORDS DISCOVERED IN BRITISH NATIONAL ARCHIVES
Posted on 07/19/2012 5:28:21 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
It now appears the worst fears of the U.S. Constitutions framers were well founded as investigators working on behalf of the ongoing investigation into the Constitutional eligibility of Barack Obama have found yet another lead in a growing mountain of evidence within the public records section of the British National Archives indicating the occurrence of at least four vital events registered to the name of Barack Obama, taking place in the British Protectorate of East Africa (Kenya) between 1953 and 1963, including the birth of two sons before 1963.
The record of birth of a second son prior to Kenyan independence is significant because biographical information about Obamas family indicates Obama Sr. fathered only one other son prior to Obama IIs birth.
The books containing hand written line records of vital events attributed to Obama are contained in Series RG36 of the Family Records section in the Kew branch of the BNA. The hand written line records first discovered in 2009, indicate several events were registered to the name Barack Obama (appears to be handwritten and spelled Burack and Biraq) beginning in 1953 and include two births recorded in 1958 and 1960, a marriage license registration in 1954 and a birth in 1961. Barack Obama is said to have died in 1982 and had married at least once more in Kenya and had at least one more child in 1968, but no record of these were found in the BNA because, according to the Archives desk reference, the events occurred after Kenya achieved independence from British colonial rule in 1963.
To date, Barack Obama II is the only known alleged son of Obama Sr. born after 1960 and before the independence of Kenya became official in 1963.
(Excerpt) Read more at thedailypen.blogspot.com ...
And at the expense of stirring into a white-hot rage some people who post here, I’ll come back to where I started before the identity of one photograph out of 16 became a major issue...
The Tax Return shows that Mr & Mrs Soetoro didn’t claim the child named as Barack Hussein Obama 2 on the divorce from the kenyan, as a dependant child...and in the absence of a birth certificate that isn’t an abstract ( a bit from here and a bit from there) how can anyone be certain where that child was born and who his parents were?
How is it possible to identify Stanley Ann Dunham as his mother?
Also just caught this post in the comment section:
lindajadamsJuly 19, 2012 5:21 PM She was in Topeka,Ks after birth in 8.61 where I saw her. Last seen in 1/61 when enrolled at Topeka HS ubder birth name of father who was born as Daniel Wayne Pope. Has anyone checked records in Topeka? Next tme saw Obama was 1/71 with his grandmother in Washington stste.(sic) Linda Joy Adams,3rd cousun
BHO, Sr. was quite the Bush Bluebeard, though. With a number of wives, and an unknown number of children, how can one positively identify this particular child?
Everything fits ... and then again ... Damn shame one of us isn't a State Attorney General! Apparently, it doesn't matter that the documentation needed to run for President in any of the 50 states is not as stringently vetted as the paperwork necessary to register a small boat or a cheap used car in the State of Maine.
I would think BO would really be sweating it...He has no idea what people have including the Posse.
IMO Silence from them on some previously mentioned topics is a guarantee something is going on behind the scene.
Self inflicted gag order.
Isnt that the document that has Soebarkah crossed off? So isnt that the actual last name he was using at that time?
It is hard to say or even speculate what the parathesised “Soebarkah” means.
The only absolute I take from this action is that Obama WAS removed from her US passport and that it is unknown what passport he was provided or if another adult or guardian picked him up as a minor on another passport.
The trail stops with this removal. Why?
If he went onto an Indonesian passport and did not hold a US passport the answer would be obvious.
This is where I am at.
I just continue to have a challenge with the Kenya birth. The logistics seem to be a stretch and there is no apparent evidence that Obama Sr and SAD had any deep relationship that would led to her going to ‘meet the parents’. Especially since he had a wife and child already in Kenya.
I believe the most damning revelation would be that he used foreign passports to travel in the late 1969s. Again, when you enter the US you MUST present a US passport if you are a US citizen. No ifs, ands or buts about this rule. Lack of any proof of a US passport AND entry into the US on a foreign passport would be a big problem.
In 1969 there is the Christmas time (see the background) picture with Scott Inoue. Barry/Barack Obama/Soetoro (II) was supposed to be living in Indonesia. Did he make a holiday visit to the US? If so, what passport did he travel on?
“...an old photo of the two of them taken while they were third-grade classmates at Noelani Elementary School...”
This photo is a problem in many ways. Either he traveled to and from Indonesia and visited with old classmates at school. Thus, there would be INS/passport records that would clarify the questions raised. OR was he already (always) living in Hawaii?
” - - - On August 31st, 1961, just weeks after Obamas birth was allegedly registered in a regional office of the Hawaiian Health Department, Obama the elder neglected to name is newborn son on an application for extension of his temporary visa to stay in the U.S. “
Duh, because Barack Obama Senior KNEW that he wasn’t the “Baby-Daddy” to the child born to Stanley in a Kenya hospital. There are consequences for falsifying visa extension papers.
lindajadamsJune 20, 2012 10:55 PM The clues are in Topeka,. Ks. Stanley Ann Pope also used the name Stanley Ann Dunham as her father went by Daniel Wayne Pope, his birth name and later as Dunham. I only saw him oncein the early 50's when he stopped by to talk with my dad. His parents were Millard Dell Pope and Helen hardy Pope ( born Olga Romanov, Russian royal family)For a hundred years much has occured hiding the identities. In 1/61, stalney Ann Pope was registered at Topeka, Ks. I had met her a couple of years earlier at a piao recital as Ann dunham. In 8/61 she was working at the Catholic bookstore in downtown Topeka with presdent obama behind the counter. Just before school started. in late 8/61.I next met him with his grandmother (Toot) at my cousin's housein 1/71 near seatlle, wa. Roland hackett, son of Bill and Grace Hardy ( Anastasia Romanov) Hackett. In 2008, our son stated to do genalogiy of family ad many wern;t saying much as another cousin's grandaughter was becoming VP candidate on the Republican ticket. descendant of Maria Romanov. The real story here is that Prsident Wilson got them out of Russia according to some of my cousins. Linda Joy hardy-Adams aka alexis's daughter There haas to be records in Topeka. Maybe even a birth record. But I was not present at the birth whereever it was.
She is saying that for the 2nd half of senior year of high school that SAD was going to school in Kansas under the last name of Pope; and that Stanley Armour Dunham was really born Daniel Wayne Pope. This web just keeps getting bigger and bigger...
If Barry had been born in Kenya to Stanley the mother and BHO Senior the father, he was not a US Citizen for the reason you set out--residence of the citizen mother in the US for five years after age 14 was a condition of citizenship to the child and Stanley would have been, under the hypothetical, only 18 at the time of birth in August of 61 and therefore could not possibly have met the requirement of the condition.
Subsequent modifications to the statute which would have modified the result contained a specific exception clause in the effective date provision of the Public Law that made such modifications effective only with respect to births after the effective date which in all cases was after the purported birth date.
Well that's kind of an inflammatory post.
By record, we mean documentary or paper record or other third party verifiable evidence.
There isn't any of that with respect to "David". He doesn't exist anywhere in the record except as a device by Mark to leverage Zero into certain conduct with respect to Mark's mother.
And the loose talk about David is internally inconsistent in the description of where, when, and to whom he was born; as well as where, when, or under what circumstances he died. No record anywhere of any nature with respect to any of that.
Nothing anywhere that supports the argument that David ever really existed.
Further, whatever the fairy tale about David, the two baby boys picture is clearly a picture of Zero.
In Sheriff Arpio's last conference he said; We can't even be sure who they say is his mother and father is correct.
Lots of good post at link from #251 thu 327..check out post 308 and 321 also
Obama’s grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, left him stock in the Bank of Hawaii valued at almost $500,000 at the time of her death in November 2008, the tax return shows
About David: If he existed and since he’s supposed to be dead, then where would he be buried? Is he there in the family plot, next to his dad and granddad?
Thanks Living Net for the follow up...Good research
CHeck out NEW information at 309 and pass to whomever you think needs it or can verify the information.
Russian ancestors....mmm mmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
If this is a prank poster, freepers should have it figured out by dawn.
Is there a history of the ROmanoff family other than WIKI?
” Sorry for the longest post Ive ever written!”
GOOD JOB !!
Any one have access to ancestry.com
I looked in my copy of *The Last Tsar * for the genealogical charts in the front of the book. Grand Duke Michael (1832-1909), son of Alexander I and Charlotte of Prussia, married Cecily of Baden (1839-1891). Her name is given in parentheses as Olga, which is undoubtedly the name she adopted when she converted to Russian Orthodoxy. Romanovs tended to marry German Protestant princesses, so you might try looking for a Romanov genealogy.
p.s. she says it was romanov (not romanoff), not sure if her spelling is wrong or not.
no, our goal is a legal nexus of record by standing, and preferably congress......that happened in the presser on the 17th .
everyone is still studiously vettin the One...The gotcha in the presser was not, repeat NOT the One, it was the state of HAWAII.
and HAWAII knows it.
somethin else missed big time by freepers.....the venue.
ax this.... was the presser availability to the public ?
press credentials only...there were only 51 folk there including the vaccuum operator............
Well , why not a theatre venue on property for the public as well....Now ya;ll remember the media hate right ? Ya;ll heard CBS’ local burp stupidity right ?
So the room was cocked and locked to over talk the questions and they did ( a coup de ta )
Couldn’t Joe and Zullo advantage a videoed presser with a room full of like minded Az citizens...Not yes but HELL YES
You watched a documentary of law by a standing U S Sheriff and his investigation team .....wait for it......wait.....ok
..AS EVIDENCE IN COURT AND CONGRESS
remember HAWAII is now a border state w/o any legal terrorist protections for America and her west coast
YEP, and not legally with a paper trail
OTOH since secondary documentary is necessary to validate ANY BC from HI. To Properly Vet BO we must look at the acceptable secondary sources he might use to support the worthless paper. As I pointed out at another post. The pickings are slim.
Staying focus is difficult. As we posted above there is now a purported third cousin posting material on SADO and BO supposedly from her experience. Seems that a good investigative reporter or Leo could easily either confirm or expose this poster's comments.
Nikolai Alexandrovich Kulikovsky (5 November 1881 11 August 1958) was the second husband of Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna of Russia, the sister of Tsar Nicholas II and daughter of Tsar Alexander III. He was born into a military landowning family from the south of the Russian Empire, and followed the family tradition by entering the army. In 1903, he was noticed by Grand Duchess Olga during a military review, and they became close friends. Olga wanted to divorce her first husband, Duke Peter Alexandrovich of Oldenburg, and marry Kulikovsky, but neither her husband nor her brother, the Tsar, would allow it. During World War I, Olga eventually obtained a divorce and married Kulikovsky. They had two sons.
They had 2 sons during WW1 which matches "Stanley Armour Dunham" birth date of 3/23/1918. They were exiled from Russia and spent many years in Denmark and Canada. But from there "Stanleys" story doesn't seem to match up to that at all. So...need more info to tie the 2 together.
any resemblance to SAD?
the WASHINGTON TIMES add says it all...because of HAWIIAN law prior and present thru 1983, America has no legal law to stop terrorist entries into HAWAII and there is no “wall” tween Hawaii and Malibu.
that is BY LAW a homeland security, immigration, and health issue demanding congress act, all the stuff we know is oeatmeal, this is the bowl.
and the nexus to hearing by congress, then the oatmeal is examined.
If this issue bears fruit, then We the People have issue with Congress and the DNC for the consequences to the USA>
“Delayed Birth Certificate
If you were born in the United States and cannot present primary evidence of U.S. citizenship because your U.S. Birth Certificate was not filed within the first year of your birth, you may submit a Delayed U.S. Birth Certificate. A Delayed U.S. Birth Certificate filed more than one year after your birth may be acceptable if:
It lists the documentation used to create it (preferably early public records) and It is signed by the birth attendant or lists an affidavit signed by the parents
If your Delayed U.S. Birth Certificate does not include these items, it should be submitted together with Early Public Records.”
In her story (http://olgaalexandrovna.webs.com/mystory.htm) she says her 1st son was born in 1917 and “Then, on 23. 04. 1919, my second son, Guri Nikolaevich Kulikovsky was born in one rented farmhouse.” Stanley Armour shows a birth date of 3/23/1918 not 4/23/1919 so the story is starting to fall apart.
CHeck out posts in the 270 area.
I had ruled out the delayed birth certificate..but it does say affidavit signed by the parent((S)). That would mean both parent’s signature. You may be on to something....1971 visit????
Do you have a link to the Washington Times ad? Just to keep it here for the record.
Have information from a lurker who is looking at this with fresh eyes. Does not have the background many of us have. Compare what he sent to what we’re seen in the past. His email (caps are his) says:
Subject: Certificate of Birth Certificate No. 32018
On Certificate of Birth, Certificate No. 32018
Shows HELTON MAGANGA
This could be the current Registrar General appointed by the Queen (HELTON MAGANGA)
as the date is Feb 19, 2009. The document has his rubber stamp with data that he
was the Chief Administrator when the document was obtained.
IN 1961: JOSHUA SIZCO ODUYA WAS THE DEPUTY REGISTRAR IN 1961
IN FEB 19, 2009 HELTON MAGANGA WAS THE CHIEF ADMINISTRATOR
ANY DOCUMENTS THAT ARE OBTAINED FROM THE BNA
HAS TO HAVE THE SIGNATURES OF THE ONE REGISTRAR GENERAL
ON THE DOCUMENT OR THE DOCUMENTS ARE INVALID.
THE ONE REGISTRAR GENERAL IS APPOINTED BY THE QUEEN AND CAN BE A MAN OR WOMAN.
You watched a documentary of law by a standing U S Sheriff and his investigation team .....wait for it......wait.....ok
..AS EVIDENCE IN COURT AND CONGRESS
I had ruled out the delayed birth certificate..but it does say affidavit signed by the parent((S)). That would mean both parents signature. You may be on to something....1971 visit????
My guess is that everything was re-baselined in terms of documentation in 1971. Regardless of the facts, lack of father being named in 1961, etc. etc.
Again, it is obvious Obama SR was NEEDED for something. Affidavits stating the child was his, claiming the child to terminate Lolo Soetoro as father and terminated Indonesian citizenship, etc. etc.
But he had a role to play there and not just drink with his ol’ buddies.
Remember Obama SR never signed or acknowledged the divorce in 1964. I believe it has been shown it was ‘knock and nailed’ at his address at the time and after a period of no response the divorce was completed without his signature or acknowledgement. Beyond the known fake BCs this is the first appearance in formal records for “Barack Hussein Obama II”. A one way divorce that seems to be leveraged almost soley to establish a name for the child. Again, remember there was no marriage certificate. There likely was no real marriage. This action would give a legally fatherless child a father.
Now for some off the cuff conjecture....
Why would a one divorce be done where there likely was no marriage to start with?
- Give a fatherless child a name. Or give a child whose father is famous communist poet a name. Either explains the ‘9’ Not Stated entries in source image of the LFBC forgery.
Why is Obama SR later needed in person?
- He is the legal father of record but there is nothing with his signature or acknowledgement of that fact in 1970 or 1971. With a guardian/citizenship transfer for Barry in the works the documentation is getting more scrutiny. So the paperwork has to be ‘tightened up’. And again as of 1971 the past is rewritten - no matter what it really was. Using Hawaii’s ‘just sign here’ BC laws all is legally good. And the transfer of Barry from Indonesia to Hawaii can happen - for whatever reason it happened.
Anyone who works with orphans or ‘at risk’ kids will tell you how easy it is to get judges and courts to to approve records updating when it ‘benefits the child’ . And in Hawaii it was probably even easier.
Thanks Was the ad just placed in one newspaper?
Just conjucture about why the divorce when no marriage. If she had put SR on the BC thinking they were legally married, then she would probably have to show she had custody in order to leave the country and legally live in Indonesia with Lolo. Remember the rules in Indonesia about children of certain age living in your home. They had to be yours...thus the adoption (of sorts)
Not having custody is NOT giving up your right to the child. It could be that SR signed documents relinquishing parental rights. He gave up custody whether he was present at the divorce or not. Did he give up parental rights in 71? If so documents should be filed in HI family court division.
Work & Education: SSA, USA Government
Injured in first terrorist attack 1/89 at jersey city nj teleservice center when OsamaBin ladin came in to pick up w-2 for his 3 weeks of work there in 7/88 when security breached@ he got data base access- horrendous cover-up and several have died of injuries.
Class of 1963 · Topeka, Kansas
Kansas State University
Class of 1968 · Sociology · Manhattan, Kansas
Married 46 years and NOT looking for a date and will not be Face book friends with anyone that sends pornographic pictures or ‘such content’ unless interested in repentance and salvation in Christ. I don’t solicit monies nor do I donate on line unless its to charities already known to me. BA. Sociology Kansas State University; Masters of Divinity with an emphasis in Faith and Public Policy from Eastern Baptist Theological seminary ( now Palmer) Injured federal worker with 42 years of experience with Medicare and Social Security/ Can also find me under alexisdaughter online for more personal family history
Lives in Colbert, Oklahoma
Born on March 20, 1945
Doyle E Adams 15 Nov 1944
Pearl Vallier aka Maria Romanov,Russian Princess See more posted on line Linda Joy Adams at firstname.lastname@example.org she took birth date of sister-in law Flrence Etel Hunt- Hardy wife of Clarence Tracy Hardy aka Alexis Romanov= no they didn’t die in 1918, Pres Wilson got them out don’t tri to match birthdates m altered you can see a photo of a chalk drawing at Delbert eugene Hardy aka Czar Nicholas II and Elizabeth hardy aka Alexandria-more posted under clarence Tracy Hardy
He was born the Crown prince of Russia. alexis Romanov. His parets were Czar Ncolas Ii and a Alexandria who are buried in the Haxtun cmetary as George and Elizabeth Hardy. President wilson got them out of Russia. Birthdates were altered to protect their identity. Tetiana Romanov was Mrs. Zazel Dell Hardy-Lewman; Olga Romanov was Helen Hardy Pope of Holyoke Co, the great grandmother of President Obama through her son Daniel Wayne Pope aka stanley Dunham;aria Romanov was Pearl-hardy Vallier the great grnadmother of Vice Presidential nominee , Sarah Palin; Anastasia Romanov was Grace Hardy-Hackett of Haxtun, Co. Much evidence and DNa avaailable/ Linda Joy Hardy-Adams daughter of Alexis Romanov aka Clarence Tracy Hardy listed on the manifest of the Muritania in 1920 who married Florence Ethel Hunt of Haxtun, Co the granddaughter of “Julia” Catherine de Medici -Hunt who was to have married Autrian Emperior Franz Hapsberg butran off with a troup of traveling musicians introducing Square dancing to europe headed by Dan Hunt better known of “Ol Dan Tucker” of “Turkey in the Straw” fame.Florence is a cousin of Hl and albert jr Hunt the oilmen and the second cousin of Dick Cheney and Ross Poroit whose grandfather Charley Hunt spent his last years in Holyoke, Co. he was also the grandfather of J.B. Hunt of trucking fame through a second marriage in OK. Florence was the aunt of Mrs John McCain wife of former Presidential candidate, her sister’s child.
Poor St Tony. Barely has he sorted that whole frightful House of Lords business than a fresh constitutional crisis looms. The Rightful Crown Princess, Linda Joy Hardy Adams Spencer, of Haxtun, Colorado, emails to say that under the Law of Succession Act 1996 she is our unabdicated Queen. King George, my grandfather, sent Princess Elizabeth II and 8th Earl Spencer (Lady Dianas dad) to America, Linda helpfully writes. They were secretly married and I was conceived to be the heir to the throne; however, I was born a girl and not a boy. Therefore, I was adopted by Florence Ethyl Hunt and Alexi Romanov, son of Nicholas II. Lindas son, Michael John Adams, our rightful Prince, is apparently already preparing for his accession by training with the Prince Michael Youth Corps every day at 6am and 3.30pm in the local park, but if wed possibly consider contacting Buck House on their behalf, the pair might be willing to accept a settlement. What with everything else Tonys got on his plate, frankly, it might just be worth a thought.
Dm, check out the email a lurker recently sent me at 334. Do not know the source.
2nd Generation (Children)
3rd Generation (Grandchildren)
Hope this was written as a comedy and not a product of a seriously damaged mind.
There's no grave...the younger boy is Mark, he lives in China, the older boy is probably the 31 year old law student interviewed at the Patrice Lumumba University in 1992. Remember?
Which image was removed from the Mark Ndesandjo webpage and temporarily replaced with another before being removed altogether:
And now there are no little boys on his website anymore...
hello fred- I dont see how it could be david, cause thats ruth and obama sr’s son— the reason why i say that is because madelyn left half million bucks in bank stocks to Barry- why would she leave that much money to someone not even kin to her?.. when you posted about the 1973 tax record earlier showing maya as 1 dependent- shows that Barack Obama sr. could have got custody of barry and thats him in the photo and not david..
I can’t follow a word of that, sorry.
sorry—David ndesandjo is ruth ndesandjo’s and Barack obama sr. SON that died.. therefore why would Madelyn leave 1/2 million dollars in bank stocks to david thats not even kin to her? — I can see ann dunham losing custody of Barack jr. to barack sr. according to the tax record you posted earlier, with 1 dependent on it— maybe mark lied- it could be obama in the photo and not david living under the custody of obama sr.
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