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OBAMA’S KENYAN BIRTH RECORDS DISCOVERED IN BRITISH NATIONAL ARCHIVES
The Daily Pen ^ | July 18, 2012 | Dan Crosby

Posted on 07/19/2012 5:28:21 PM PDT by Seizethecarp

It now appears the worst fears of the U.S. Constitution’s framers were well founded as investigators working on behalf of the ongoing investigation into the Constitutional eligibility of Barack Obama have found yet another lead in a growing mountain of evidence within the public records section of the British National Archives indicating the occurrence of at least four vital events registered to the name of Barack Obama, taking place in the British Protectorate of East Africa (Kenya) between 1953 and 1963, including the birth of two sons before 1963.

The record of birth of a second son prior to Kenyan independence is significant because biographical information about Obama’s family indicates Obama Sr. fathered only one other son prior to Obama II’s birth.

The books containing hand written line records of vital events attributed to Obama are contained in Series RG36 of the Family Records section in the Kew branch of the BNA. The hand written line records first discovered in 2009, indicate several events were registered to the name Barack Obama (appears to be handwritten and spelled “Burack” and “Biraq”) beginning in 1953 and include two births recorded in 1958 and 1960, a marriage license registration in 1954 and a birth in 1961. Barack Obama is said to have died in 1982 and had married at least once more in Kenya and had at least one more child in 1968, but no record of these were found in the BNA because, according to the Archives’ desk reference, the events occurred after Kenya achieved independence from British colonial rule in 1963.

To date, Barack Obama II is the only known alleged son of Obama Sr. born after 1960 and before the independence of Kenya became official in 1963.

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To: Brown Deer

Thanks for all your research. Don’t think there is any doubt that any further posts by this person can now be put in the proper prespective.....Sad. Hope she gets some professional help.


351 posted on 07/23/2012 7:35:38 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then.)
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To: bluecat6

Just a thought: How did his picture at school with his friend fit into his mother’s educational degrees. She would have to spend some time in class.


352 posted on 07/23/2012 7:38:52 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then.)
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To: chicken head; Brown Deer
No one left any money to David, David isn't real, David never existed, he never lived so he never died, and that's why no one can find him...David was created because they had one boy too many, and when that boy's existence became a problem, he was sent to the university in Moscow, where he said when he was interviewed in 1992, he had been for almost a decade. So...he left Kenya in around 1983, shortly after he attended his father's funeral, which the locals reported he had attended. He's the boy Malik said he remembers playing with in the village when they were children. He was born in 1961, was a law student and is the spitting image of his old man, the son-of-a-kenyan-goat-herder...just imho of course.


353 posted on 07/23/2012 7:57:55 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM...)
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To: Brown Deer; thouworm

Jaramoghi Oginga Odinga, who met Malcolm X in Atlanta a 1960, shown in a photograph beneath a portrait of Patrice Lumumba at the 'Freedom University' in Moscow where he obtained a number of scholarships for Kenyans to attend the university, including one for his own son, named after Castro. Jaramoghi's other son Raila was educated in East Germany and is now Prime Minister of Kenya.

354 posted on 07/23/2012 8:29:49 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM...)
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To: hoosiermama

Milestones from the period

8/6/1967 SAD earns BA - Mathematics from U of Hawaii
8/6/1967 SAD earns BA in Athropology from U of Hawaii

*** Yes - you can find both documented in various places ****

9/14/1967 INS letter to file indicating Obama is considered ‘Step-child’ of applicate (Lolo S)
10/6/1967 Letter describing situation the Lolo Soetoro and indicating SADS and child plan to move to Indonesia. Note refers to ‘Step child’. Confirms marriage as March 15, 1965.
10/15/1967 SAD travels from Honolulu to Jakarta. Note date is not exact. Exact date is unknown.
1967 Referenced marriage date between SAD & Lolo Soetoro in numerous stories in MSM
1/1/1968 Barry Soetoro is registered to attend Franciscan Asisi Primary School and is seriel number 203 in class 1B.
3/15/1968 US-backed strong man Suharto is formally elected in Indonesia
6/15/1968 Frank Marshall Davis publishes Black Sex Rebel under pseudonum Bob Green

8/13/1968 SADS makes early application to REMOVE BHO (Saebarkah) from her passport. She is in Jakarta.
12/20/1969 Obama attends Noelani elementary school per photo from Scott Inoue.
3/6/1970 WUO Bomb goes off in NY Townhome. Killing WUO members and Bill Ayers then girlfriend.


355 posted on 07/23/2012 8:33:45 PM PDT by bluecat6 ( "A non-denial denial. They doubt our heritage, but they don't say the story is not accurate.")
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To: Fred Nerks

well, one thing is for sure- (see post 315) Madelyn was real, and she left real money to barack obama jr.. - when someone leaves that kind of money you are most likey a blood relative.. I dont know if Maya recieved anything????.. The only thing i really know for fact is the BC he posted is forged, and good evidence that he may have been born in Kenya..You could be right about stanley ann dunham losing custody of Barack jr. around 1973 according to the 1 dependent on the tax records though, because he was also a soetoro at the time according to his school records in indonisia- the only reason for him not to be on there would be “she abandoned him”, “lost custody of him”, or “ he doesnt belong to her”..- I believe she could have lost custody of him because she was not a decent person according to the nude photos- in fact she was nasty and probally a prostitute or something


356 posted on 07/23/2012 8:54:32 PM PDT by chicken head
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To: Fred Nerks

Jaramoghi’s other son Raila was educated in East Germany and is now Prime Minister of Kenya.

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PM of Kenya in a UN BROKERED DEAL. Interesting that the UN inserted Obama cousin as leader. Of course they had to stop the slaughter of Christians by Odinga’s Muslim backers.

But interestingly. Raila made a run on Kenya in 1982 - in a coup attempt. It was the summer of Barry’s lost year.

9/21/1981 Bombing of ERU in Schenectady. Suspected of being BLA or WUO.
10/20/1981 May 19 Communist Group (fomer WUO) and Black Liberation Army (BLA) members rob Brinks truck killing 2 police officers and guard.
6/13/1982 SAD in Hawaii
8/1/1982 Obama first cousin Raila Amolla Odinga indicted for coup attempt in Kenya
8/4/1982 BHO II turns 21.
9/1/1982 Obama starts at Columbia


357 posted on 07/23/2012 9:21:56 PM PDT by bluecat6 ( "A non-denial denial. They doubt our heritage, but they don't say the story is not accurate.")
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To: chicken head

There is no law against a prostitute having children that I am aware of. It’s not a question of morals, it’s a question of whether she was ever in a relationship with the kenyan, and until you see a copy of the Will, I suggest you take the reports of an inheritance with a bucket of salt. On the other hand, Mr & Mrs Dunham might well have been paid up front for their guardianship activities, and the bequest might represent what was left over after he left Hawaii.
The Central Park fake image exists for a reason. We are expected to believe the Dunhams and zero still had a relationship, which I doubt.
A young man whose true grandparents have half a million in Bank stock don’t let their grandson spend the night on a fire-escape and wash at a fire hydrant the next morning. There’s reason to take it that when he found out who he was after he graduated (when he found his birth certificate according himself) the elder Dunham/zero relationship broke down.


358 posted on 07/23/2012 9:32:16 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM...)
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To: bluecat6

But Raila Odinga isn’t zero’s cousin. Raila may be distantly related to the Roman Obama who attended the Patrice Lumumba university in Moscow, and Jaramoghi Oginga Odinga was a teacher at the same school that the son of Obama Onyango attended at Maseno...but blood relatives of zero they are not.


359 posted on 07/23/2012 9:37:10 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM...)
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To: Fred Nerks

Well, the 1973 tax record you posted is proof that O was not one of stanley ann soetoro’s dependents..— O was raised by Madelyn, so i would guess (just a guess) that Madelyn adopted him or got custody of him somehow..Its public knowledge that Madelyn raised him.( she would have to have legal right to do that). — i would love to try to find records on this stuff, but i dont have a clue were to start, or were to go, and how to do it— im not a investigator—.. I’m just like everyone else, i want this fraud guy busted, i just want to help is all fred


360 posted on 07/23/2012 9:43:57 PM PDT by chicken head
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To: Fred Nerks

Mainly going off of this.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1574963/Im-Barack-Obamas-cousin-says-Raila-Odinga.html


361 posted on 07/23/2012 9:58:48 PM PDT by bluecat6 ( "A non-denial denial. They doubt our heritage, but they don't say the story is not accurate.")
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To: bluecat6

I understand where that came from, but it only works if the son of a kenyan goat herder was his father...


362 posted on 07/23/2012 10:29:17 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM...)
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To: LucyT; melancholy; null and void; Brown Deer; hoosiermama; Fred Nerks; David; little jeremiah; ...

I just got back from Barnes & Noble with Pulizer Prize-winning author David Maraniss’ 600-page annotated historical biography “Barack Obama: The Story, which I have obtained to see what Ruth Baker Ndesandjo said about baby David Obama in her videotaped interview with Maraniss. this was her first and only interview according to Maraniss in his CSPAN Book TV video on the book, IIRC.

In the Index on page 632 there is the following in the alphebetical listing:

“Obama, David Opiyo, 245-46, 249”

So David Obama is mentioned on only three pages of the book under that name.

Page 245:

Page 245 is the first page of Chapter 10, “Marked Man” referring to BHO Sr. as a doomed man and describing the events leading up to his death. The chapter begins with the introduction of David to the world giving him a verifiable birth date (an easy date to remember) and birth location for the first time that I have seen:

“Barack Obama had added another son to his disparate family just before Barry and Ann left for Indonesia. In Nairobi, on September 11, 1967, Ruth gave birth to her second child, David Opiyo Obama.”

Page 246:

“When he landed an important job as senior planning officer at the Kenya Tourism Development Corporation (KTDC) during the same month that David was born, they moved to a new place in Woodley Estate; they had money again and servants to cook and clean and care for the children.”

Page 249:

“Ruth and the boys joined him for one long trip to Luoland in 1968. Mark was three and David one. They stayed in Nyang’oma Kogelo with his step-mother Sarah, and Hussein Onyango, and took a side trip down to Kanyadhiang. Obama was the first member of the family to bring a white woman home. His relatives seemed impressed by Ruth. “She was comfortable and could eat anything that was cooked here,”said Charles Oluoch, a member of the Obama compound in Kanyadhiang.”

(snip)

“The real trauma came once they returned to Nairobi. David had contracted malaria during the visit, and it erupted violently after a brief incubation, sending him to Nairobi Hospital. ‘I was screaming and yelling,’Ruth remembered. ‘I was breaking down terribly at the hospital because I thought my baby was dying. But he got through it.’”

Those are the only three passages in which baby David Obama is mentioned.

Note that two living tribal clan witnesses to the 1968 visit of baby David are mentioned, Sarah and Charles, and also a possibly verifiable hospitalization of David having contracted a reportable illness is documented.

I wonder if Baby David was attended to by the famous Nairobi pediatrician, Dr. Ang’awa, a man alleged in one claimed BC to have delivered BHO II. Dr. Ang’awa was not murdered until February 8, 1970.

Note that on page 5 of the photo pages, a photo of the gravesite of Barry’s great-grandfather, Obama Opiyo, is shown at the top. This person is likely the source of David Opiyo Obama’s middle name. His mother raised Mark as Jewish and likely named David as a Jewish first name and then gave BHO Sr. the choice of middle name.

I have seen no evidence to refute this narrative given directly to Maraniss by Ruth and the Obama relatives including numerous verifiable claims of fact.

That being the case, the family picture of Barack Sr., Ruth, Mark and David is circa 1970.

David’s death, it turns out, is reported under the name “David Ndesandjo” on page 629 of the Index:

“Ndesandjo, David, 496-97”

Page 496-47:

“Auma told Barack that she was planning a trip to New York, a prospect that thrilled him. He said she should stay with him, and was eagerly anticipating her long-awaited visit when she called again to say the trip had been canceled due to a tragedy in the family. The roads of Kenya had claimed another victim, a son of Mr. Toad. David Ndesandjo, the younger son of Obama Sr. and Ruth Baker, now Ruth Ndesandjo, half-brother to both Barack and Auma, had been killed in a motorcycle accident. The word from Nairobi was that David, unlike his older brother Mark, had laid claim to his African heritage and essentially broken away from his white mother and identified himself with the rest of the Obama clan. Now he was dead. If Barack discussed this call with Genevieve, she could not remember it.”

It is noteworthy that Barry’s alleged girlfriend at the time has no recollection of any call to Barry informing him of the death of his half-brother, who was supposedly being grieved over by the daugher of Kezia who was dumped in favor of David’s mother, acording to the narrative. The book says at age four Auma (called Rita at the time) was taken away from Kezia’s care and boarded at a Catholic convent school in Nairobi and expected to treat Ruth as her mother when visiting her father. The description of the Auma call regarding David’s death appears to have been lifted intact from “Dreams,” IIRC, an Ayers-written novella.

Curiously, there is no index entry for Mark Ndesand, only an entry for Mark Obama:

“Obama, Mark, 207, 209, 249, 399, 496, 567, 568”

Page 207:

(Re: 1965) “Mark was born late that fall, on November 28. His Luo name was Okoth, which means ‘born when it is raining.’”

Page 209: (Ruth and Mark flee to Boston for three weeks in 1966)

Page 249: (Mark and David taken to Luoland in 1968 and stay with Sarah and Hussein Onyango)

Page 399: “Before dying, Hussein Onyango had met a grandson who was half white and American...not Barack II, the baby bull thousands of miles away, son of Ann, but Mark, in Nairobi, son of Ruth.”

Page 399 contradicts page 249. On page 249 it says that Hussein Onyango met TWO half white babies. According to Ruth, he met BOTH Mark (3 and David (1), but on page 399 only meeting Mark is mentioned. Perhaps he wrote page 399 before his interview with Ruth and didn’t cross-check. It took Maraniss four years to write the book.

Page 496: (referred to only as brother of David at time of accident that killed David)

Page 567-68: (Mark is home on vacation from studying physics at Stanford when Auma drops in unannounced on Ruth with Barry) Ruth: “She hadn’t alerted me, as I remember. I like to be alerted. This was pretty traumatic, She said ‘This is Barack.’ Or ‘This is Dad’s son from Hawaii.’ Now this was a time when I couldn’t face something like that, okay? And everyone wanted to know about Obama Sr., and as I remember it I closed up.”


363 posted on 07/23/2012 11:24:21 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: chicken head
“You could be right about stanley ann dunham losing custody of Barack jr. around 1973 according to the 1 dependent on the tax records though, because he was also a soetoro at the time according to his school records in indonisia- the only reason for him not to be on there would be “she abandoned him”, “lost custody of him”, or “ he doesnt belong to her”.”

That is not correct. I am a retired CPA. A tax return is not a custody document. It is a form on which you are entitled to claim exemptions for LEGAL DEPENDENTS ONLY either in your household or for whom you provide over 50% of support. A dependent can only legally be claimed on one return (absent a rare court order). Because Barry was living with and being supported by his grandparents in 1973, only they would be legally entitled to claim him as a dependent child on their tax returns, NOT Lolo and Ann.

I have seen no documentary evidence that Ann gave up child custody of Barry and at the time of her divorce from Lolo, Barry was still listed (unnamed) as a "child of the marriage over age 18" (who could only have been Barry).

364 posted on 07/23/2012 11:34:51 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: WildHighlander57; hoosiermama
"“Delayed Birth Certificate"

My father was born at home in 1912. He lived to be 95 and never had a birth certificate until he was 65 and needed one for SS. Both his parents were deceased so he had an Aunt who filled out an affidavit swearing to all the information to the best of her knowledge and then he was issued a "Delayed Birth Certificate."

365 posted on 07/23/2012 11:50:25 PM PDT by Spunky (Those)
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To: Seizethecarp

Thank you for the information


366 posted on 07/24/2012 12:23:42 AM PDT by chicken head
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To: Seizethecarp

All you know is what we ALL know NOW. In 1973, the woman who zero claims was his mother and the man who he claimed was his stepfather NEITHER OF THEM claimed him as a dependant. And that’s all you can know.


367 posted on 07/24/2012 12:30:34 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM...)
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To: chicken head

Appreciate you wanting to help, you ask the right questions and that’s always helpful, it’s thinking you have all the answers that gets us no-where, just as our resident RETIRED CRAP artist who never lets a doubt interfere with his lengthy diatribes, describing how superior and above it all he is...and how stupid anyone who doesn’t see it all his way. AND ALL THAT HE ACHIEVES IS TO CUT OFF THE DISCUSSION.
Something you could never be accused of.
Don’t let him browbeat you, just keep asking.


368 posted on 07/24/2012 12:41:47 AM PDT by Fred Nerks
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To: Fred Nerks
“In 1973, the woman who zero claims was his mother and the man who he claimed was his stepfather NEITHER OF THEM claimed him as a dependant.”

It would have been illegal for them to have claimed a dependent child exemption for Barry. This has nothing to do with custody, as you previously insinuated and continue to incorrectly insinuate.

369 posted on 07/24/2012 12:45:30 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Fred Nerks

Thanks fred


370 posted on 07/24/2012 12:47:14 AM PDT by chicken head
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To: Seizethecarp
Page 567-68: (Mark is home on vacation from studying physics at Stanford when Auma drops in unannounced on Ruth with Barry) Ruth: “She hadn’t alerted me, as I remember. I like to be alerted. This was pretty traumatic, She said ‘This is Barack.’ Or ‘This is Dad’s son from Hawaii.’ Now this was a time when I couldn’t face something like that, okay? And everyone wanted to know about Obama Sr., and as I remember it I closed up.”

So it's possible that without any warning, accompanied by one of the daughters of Kezia, zero shows up at Ruths house in Nairobi and the woman introduces him as Dad's son from Hawaii and poor Ruth, after all she's suffered at the hands of the drunken, violent man who was the father of her son Mark, NOW she's being told he had another child in Hawaii, not just the Dark Boy she cared for since 1964, but ANOTHER CHILD with ANOTHER WHITE WOMAN he supposedly married...no wonder she says I CLOSED UP.

371 posted on 07/24/2012 12:58:59 AM PDT by Fred Nerks
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To: Seizethecarp
I'll simply repeat myself:

All you know is what we ALL know NOW. In 1973, the woman who zero claims was his mother and the man who he claimed was his stepfather NEITHER OF THEM claimed him as a dependant. And that’s all you can know.

372 posted on 07/24/2012 1:01:24 AM PDT by Fred Nerks
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To: chicken head

And I give you permission to use capital letters when it’s appropriate, LOL!


373 posted on 07/24/2012 1:04:57 AM PDT by Fred Nerks
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To: Fred Nerks

HA HA— maybe we could start some kind of fund for peeps to donate to - and hire a really good private investigator to physically retrieve documents of importance— NOW THAT WOULD BE AWESOME..


374 posted on 07/24/2012 1:10:53 AM PDT by chicken head
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To: Seizethecarp

I think it might be best for all of us if you go your way and I go mine, and never our paths shall cross, I won’t address you on a thread and you do the same for me, nothing personal, but our twains shall never meet, you are so locked into what is written down that words and numbers on paper are your little gods, and I follow what people say and how they behave, in all their cheatin, lying, duplicitous ways...you read a book for clues and I read the people.


375 posted on 07/24/2012 1:50:08 AM PDT by Fred Nerks
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To: Spunky

Same with my mom, older sisters signed for her. BO has no one at this time to provide the secondary source in this manner...maybe a baptismal certificate or the family Bible /sarc


376 posted on 07/24/2012 6:05:54 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then.)
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To: Seizethecarp; David; LucyT; Fred Nerks

Thanks for sharing. Looks like the David mystery is solved.


377 posted on 07/24/2012 6:45:22 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then.)
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To: chicken head

Clerks office (Recorder) of county has either copy of legal documents or notation of their content. Want to take a month vacation to HI?


378 posted on 07/24/2012 6:50:10 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then.)
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To: bluecat6; hoosiermama
Anyone who works with orphans or ‘at risk’ kids will tell you how easy it is to get judges and courts to to approve records updating when it ‘benefits the child’ . And in Hawaii it was probably even easier.

BTDT. They will rubber stamp blatant lies whether it benefits the child, the court or just because it's Tuesday which means that something BIG was needed of Sr. that couldn't be handled with a legally signed and witnessed statement from Kenya. There was something that needed him in HI in person for over a month on the Dunhams' dime. That means there is a case file with court dockets and schedules with the judge and parties named along with their attorneys, there are attorney files, there are documents filed in the clerk's office, there are index books in both the family court and the county clerk's office, the health dept, etc. There could also be something in the criminal court records. It's all there in the old dusty boxes unless those have been made to disappear. It's very easy to walk out with these old files. Bound indexes are hard to fix so it's easier to make the entire book disappear. An investigative team would have to have full access to be able to see where the holes are during Christmas '71 and back say the six months prior. If "Dreams" is to be believed (cough), the Dunhams weren't happy about Sr. being there so they had to have exhausted every means to proceed with whatever it was without his presence so there has to be a paper trail before his arrival. They may have spoken to a number of attorneys and been in front of more than one judge.

379 posted on 07/24/2012 7:38:02 AM PDT by bgill
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To: hoosiermama

Giving up full parental rights so an adoption can go through doesn’t need the parent to be there in person for several weeks. All it takes is a signed and witnessed statement presented by an attorney and that’s in today’s courts. I can’t see a judge in easy going HI back in ‘71 making a resident of Kenya, who had never been part of the child’s life, hop a plane just to transfer the kid over to the grandparents. Even less so if it was just custody. And if Lolo had adopted him then why wasn’t Lolo the one having to physically be in HI? While I believe Sr.’s happy little family Christmas visit involved custody of the little prince, I’m suspicious that there was more to it than that.


380 posted on 07/24/2012 7:53:33 AM PDT by bgill
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To: Fred Nerks
We are expected to believe the Dunhams and zero still had a relationship, which I doubt

Yeah, if I were in the middle of the biggest power play of my life and my precious grandmother needed me a half a world away, I'd drop everything for the next flight out so I could be by her bedside for.... 35 minutes from the time I stepped out of my black SUV to the time I stepped back into it to make tee time with my old choom buddy. Yep, that proves just how close that relationship was not just with granny but with Maya who was in typical white granny's apt at the time.

381 posted on 07/24/2012 8:11:17 AM PDT by bgill
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To: bgill

Good point, but somewhere there is a statement up thread IIRC where signature of parent-S is required...That’s parents with an s...both parents. If he had not had parental rights withdrawn Sr would still be father of record and his signature would be required....Been out in the heat/garden either wait till I’ve cooled down or see if you can find it in my comments.


382 posted on 07/24/2012 8:32:39 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then.)
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To: bgill; bluecat6; Brown Deer; advertising guy; LucyT; rolling_stone; maggief
See bgill's post it's a big
YES!

383 posted on 07/24/2012 8:38:02 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then.)
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To: Fred Nerks; SatinDoll

Correct. BHO II was in the legal custody Catholic Social Services of Connecticut from late 1971, early 1972 until he reached the age of majority Aug. 4, 1979. Madelyn Payne was appointed BHO’s II guardian, commonly referred to as his foster mother.

Neither SAD Soetoro or Madelyn Payne Dunham could claim BHO II as a dependent on their tax return from 1972 until 1979 because BHO II was a ward of the U.S. Federal Foster care system. Madelyn Payne Dunham, BHO’s II foster mother and grandmother, received monthly stipends and food stamps to provide for the basic needs of BHO II through HI Dept of Children’s and Families Services, commonly referred to as the welfare office.

Only children with foreign nationality are accepted by the U.S. Federal Foster care system. BHO II returned to Hawaii in 1971 as an Indonesian National and an unaccompanied minor arriving at a U.S. Port of Entry. Unaccompanied Minors with foreign nationality are taken into Federal protective custody by INS and are not waved through Customs to the awaiting arms of some old white lady. Any conversation about Obama’s birthplace or his birth certificate is a distraction to take the emphasis off Obama’s nationality in 1971 to 1979. Obama naturalized as a U.S. Citizen in 1983 and that is why he is ineligible to be POTUS.


384 posted on 07/24/2012 8:41:36 AM PDT by SvenMagnussen (Gossip is Satan's talk radio.)
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To: Seizethecarp

All words from a book.

Big freaking deal.


385 posted on 07/24/2012 8:47:46 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: SvenMagnussen

and on the 17th the posse made Hawaii complicit in the crime of fraud on America’s citizens with premedation...

therein is the “rest of the story “


386 posted on 07/24/2012 9:05:06 AM PDT by advertising guy (the White House hasn't had this much leakin since Billy Carter watered the Rose Garden)
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To: bgill; hoosiermama

Agree totally.

I do know a former federal judge who was an orphan. Not until he was in his 40s did he finally find the actual facts of his past with specific names and dates. The actual facts were buried deep as was normal for orphans but they where still there - if you knew where to look.

Here - since the child was 10 and the parties all knew each other there would not be the usual need to seal everything everything up to protect or hide birth mothers, etc. But would they still seal the case or cases? Especially if it involved names changes and identity changes? Isn’t one of the purposes of sealing cases of adopted children to keep multiple identities of of the same one person from floating around in the legal, government world?

So could it be that even though the Dunhams did everything mentioned the case might be sealed?

I always remember Gov. Lingle saying or maybe the media implying that SHE had sealed Obamas BC. I have always thought that they maybe sealed but it was not done by Lingle. Instead the records are sealed by a judge with a legitimate reason to do so - like legal name changes.

Something happened in 1971 and some newspaper clippings are not going to explain it away.


387 posted on 07/24/2012 9:06:25 AM PDT by bluecat6 ( "A non-denial denial. They doubt our heritage, but they don't say the story is not accurate.")
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To: SvenMagnussen

Would you agree or more importantly would the political machines and courts agree that the status of ‘naturalized citizen’ and ‘natural born citizen’ are non-intersecting for a person at any point in time.

Hence if a person did have to naturalize to obtain or re-obtain US citizenship they would have previously lost the actual status of natural born citizen.

The apparently incorrect point that has been pronounced over the last few years is that ‘natural born Citizen’ is only a point in time - at the moment of birth and if you have it then you have it forever.

But you stop being a citizen all together do you not also stop being a ‘natural born’ citizen. If you are not citizen then you can not be a special subclass of citizen - correct?

Hence if you have to naturalize - for any reason - you are not a ‘natural born citizen’. Do you agree?


388 posted on 07/24/2012 9:19:23 AM PDT by bluecat6 ( "A non-denial denial. They doubt our heritage, but they don't say the story is not accurate.")
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To: SvenMagnussen

And on the 8th day God asked Sven Magnussen to post the same few paragraphs he has posted a hundred times without any links, references, proof, or substantiation, and Sven did and God saw that is was good.


389 posted on 07/24/2012 9:19:27 AM PDT by LivingNet
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To: bluecat6

“Would you agree or more importantly would the political machines and courts agree that the status of ‘naturalized citizen’ and ‘natural born citizen’ are non-intersecting for a person at any point in time.

Hence if a person did have to naturalize to obtain or re-obtain US citizenship they would have previously lost the actual status of natural born citizen.”

Yes.

Craig v. U.S., 10th Circuit Court of Appeals commentary reaffirming Schneider v. Rusk, 1964, there is no right to be classified with the status Natural born citizen. A naturalized U.S. citizen is afforded all the rights and privileges of a Natural Born Citizen; except, a naturalized U.S. Citizen is ineligible to be POTUS or VP.


390 posted on 07/24/2012 9:47:59 AM PDT by SvenMagnussen (Gossip is Satan's talk radio.)
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To: SvenMagnussen

Actual case wording:

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=377&invol=163

“We start from the premise that the rights of citizenship of the native born and of the naturalized person are of the same dignity and are coextensive. The only difference drawn by the Constitution is that only the “natural born” citizen is eligible to be President. Art. II, 1. [377 U.S. 163, 166]

While the rights of citizenship of the native born derive from 1 of the Fourteenth Amendment and the rights of the naturalized citizen derive from satisfying, free of fraud, the requirements set by Congress, the latter, apart from the exception noted, “becomes a member of the society, possessing all the rights of a native citizen, and standing, in the view of the constitution, on the footing of a native. The constitution does not authorize Congress to enlarge or abridge those rights. The simple power of the national Legislature, is to prescribe a uniform rule of naturalization, and the exercise of this power exhausts it, so far as respects the individual.” Osborn v. Bank of United States, 9 Wheat. 738, 827. And see Luria v. United States, 231 U.S. 9, 22 ; United States v. MacIntosh, 283 U.S. 605, 624 ; Knauer v. United States, 328 U.S. 654, 658 . “

This case also heavily brings in ‘native born’.

It is interesting that this case has been used to equivocate ‘native born’ (that Obama claims) and natural born (that he has not claimed) by the Obama representatives.

But the case makes it clear only ‘natural born’ is eligible to be President.

And the case goes on to clarify what ‘native born’ is - i.e. 14th amendment anchor babies and naturalized (as always a person who receives their citizenship through an act of Congress).

So the ruling does provide 3 classes but it does NOT make native = natural born. It just uses native as a superset of all born in the US.

Again, for all reading. Much has been made of natural born Citizen and how it is received ‘at birth’. That is mischaracterization. It is not a one time thing.

If you lose your citizenship - then you quit being a ‘natural born citizen’. You can not be an nbC when you are not even a C. ‘natural’ and ‘born’ are just adjectives that narrow the class of the noun - Citizen. If you are no longer a Citizen - you are also no longer a natural born Citizen.

When you gain or regain citizenship via naturalization you are then and forever a ‘naturalized’ citizen. Even if you were an nbC you can never be an nbC again.

Schnieder v. Rusk points out that you can only be one of the 3 classes at any point in time.


391 posted on 07/24/2012 10:17:53 AM PDT by bluecat6 ( "A non-denial denial. They doubt our heritage, but they don't say the story is not accurate.")
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To: Jim Robinson; Admin Moderator; LucyT; melancholy; Brown Deer; STARWISE; hoosiermama; ...
“Appreciate you wanting to help, you ask the right questions and that’s always helpful, it’s thinking you have all the answers that gets us no-where, just as our resident RETIRED CRAP artist who never lets a doubt interfere with his lengthy diatribes, describing how superior and above it all he is...and how stupid anyone who doesn’t see it all his way. AND ALL THAT HE ACHIEVES IS TO CUT OFF THE DISCUSSION.
Something you could never be accused of.
Don’t let him browbeat you, just keep asking.”

The abusive comments above directed at me (I corrected misinformation about Obama’s mom's tax return) and all of the comments by Fred Nerks on this thread (that I started) exemplifies the relentless stalking, trolling, thread hijacking, spamming and spreading of disinformation and ad hominem attacks on all eligibility threads by Fred Nerks in a way that suspiciously helps the Obama team. Fred Nerks helps Obama by cleverly diverting all eligibility threads away from productive sharing of new knowledge and towards a delusional alternative narrative that can only subject FReepers who fall for it to derision and mockery.

Fred Nerks is a genius with photos of Obama and his family and this ability has been a great contribution to Free Republic, but....

The Fred Nerks pattern is to jump in to any thread that posts links to new evidence that may shed light on where Stanley Ann Dunham was when she gave birth and who the father might be. This investigation, closely followed by FReepers, could be very damaging to Obama. Attempts to cripple these investigations helps Obama.

Fred Nerks asserts the following delusional claims over and over again throwing the threads off track, but won't start his/her own thread asserting these claims:

According to Fred Nerks:

1. Obama is the son of Malcolm X and a Lebanese actress (not a shred of evidence offered, but only speculation).

2. Stanley Ann is NOT Obama’s mom but only his nanny beginning in 1964 when Obama was left in her care when Barry first appears in pictures at age 2 or 3 with Stanley Ann.

3. Stanley Ann was never in Hawaii before 1964 and never attended U of HI or U of WA. despite Registrar confirmation from U of HI and transcripts from U of WA and FOIA INS documents recording her pregnancy and alleged marriage to BHO Sr. inn 1961 as well as her intention to go to school in WA in Fall of 1961. All these documents are forged, according to Fred Nerks.

4. BHO Sr. fathered a different BHO II with a Filippina wife in HI named Ann S. Obama (based only on a picture of BHO Sr. sitting next to an Asian woman named Ann(e) at a party) who Fred Nerks claims was with the child in WA in 1960 getting babysat by Mary Toutongi. This child's name was changed to Roman Obama in 1964 when he was shuttled to Kenya to be cared for by BHO’s new wife Ruth who briefly cared for both Roman Obama and Barry Obama (who is mysteriously transferred from his Lebanese momma to Kenya to the care of Ruth and BHO Sr.) and can be seen in a 1964 picture posted up-thread with the two boys, according to Fred Nerks. The picture is actually a circa 1970 picture of BHO Sr.and Ruth Baker Obama with her own two boys, Barry's half-brothers Mark (5) and David (2). The picture of the family came from Mark's photo album. Yet Fred Nerks insists over and over again on every eligibility thread that he/she can hijack that the “dark boy” (Mark) is actually this “Roman Obama” from Ghana (black as ink and not appearing to be a half-Filippino in the least) who ended up studying in the USSR. Pulitzer prize winning author Maraniss documents that in 1964 and early 1965 in Kenya, Ruth Baker was not mothering any baby boys but partying up a storm in the bars of Nairobi at night with BHO Sr. and working full-time during the day.

5. David Obama does not exist. All of the pictures of baby David in Kenya are actually baby Barry Obama who in Ruth's care in Kenya in 1964. These deranged ravings Fred Nerks posts over and over again repeatedly ad nauseum, and dishonestly posting pictures of Barry Obama and David Obama side telling old and new FReepers that they are one and the same baby when he knows that the David picture came from Mark's collection. Mark's collection also has him sitting next to baby David, but Fred Nerks says that it is actually a shot of baby Barry Obama with older brother Roman Obama, the “dark baby” (referred to up-thead).

Please take a hard look at Fred Nerks’ posting history. I would very much appreciate it if Fred Nerks stopped stalking, trolling, spamming all eligibility threads with delusional speculation, especially the ones that I start!

392 posted on 07/24/2012 11:40:42 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: bluecat6

Yes, one of the purposes of sealing records IS to keep multiple identities of the same person. Early on numbers were assigned to CHIN children when parental rites were terminated and the court/state took over...Dad says that in IN they started using SS#s and he thinks that started in the late 60 early 70s and was nationwide. DOn’t know how this information could be confirmed.....Maybe the reason for the number...was it assigned by a child protective service like Catholic Services from their out of state national office?


393 posted on 07/24/2012 11:43:52 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then.)
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To: SvenMagnussen
Madelyn Payne Dunham, BHO’s II foster mother and grandmother, received monthly stipends and food stamps to provide for the basic needs of BHO II through HI Dept of Children’s and Families Services, commonly referred to as the welfare office.

That's more breadcrumbs. There are either records that prove this or there are gaping holes that proves the records disappeared. For a country he hates, he sure has been living off it his entire life.

394 posted on 07/24/2012 11:47:40 AM PDT by bgill
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To: SvenMagnussen; bluecat6; bluegill

Keep this conversation moving forward even if the entire thread is pulled...


395 posted on 07/24/2012 12:06:17 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then.)
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To: Seizethecarp; Fred Nerks

I am so disgusted with your accusations about Fred Nerks and your desire to shut FN up that I cannot remain silent.

Is FR your personal site that you want to shut others up you don’t like? That’s crazy. FN never tries to shut you up, just criticizes your content and now, your attitude. But FN never, ever tries to get you banned or shut you up.

This is insanity.

Trying to stop others from posting is the most counter productive thing anyone could do, if truth is the objective.

I can’t even stand to read your entire diatribe - but baldly stating that FN is an 0bomba operative is so beyond sanity and rational thinking that - basically, I’m speechless.

I’m not going to try to defeat your other assertions, but they are in total - untrue! I’ve been reading just about every single eligibility thread since the summer of 2008 and your accusations miss the mark by 180 degrees.


396 posted on 07/24/2012 12:08:21 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

Take a deep breath and step back...Seize is just one of a few who has documentation of material in his post..You may want to rethink your undying support of him.


397 posted on 07/24/2012 12:17:01 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then.)
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To: Seizethecarp
I find wild delusional ***speculations**** very distracting. I agree. They make Freeper look like paranoid nuts.

There is enough specifically known and not know about Obama that needs investigation.

398 posted on 07/24/2012 12:25:36 PM PDT by wintertime (:-))
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To: bluecat6; hoosiermama

Missing marriage certificate (marriage license) and missing Passport application for SAD, missing entry (one week’s) from overseas, plus Inspector Smith’s copy w/footprint, hmmm!!!

Could it be SAD got married in Kenya and stayed there until Barry was born yet the sperm donor FMD???


399 posted on 07/24/2012 1:23:02 PM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: hoosiermama

I wouldnt have the time to go- but i would donate money to a good investigator to do it- i was suggesting that maybe FR could start somthing like that— someone with a pocket full of money might could get some documents of importance.. I was thinking if he was born in kenya, someone in Britian would have solid records somewhere and could do some good research.. I think someone should research Madelyn dunham more because O was rasied by her from the age 10.. I dont believe in theory, just factual evidence..His marriage license could have good info to.. It seems we just go over old stuff that goes nowhere— We need to go futher with this with some new documents somehow, and i willing to help do that is what im tring to say


400 posted on 07/24/2012 1:32:52 PM PDT by chicken head
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