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OBAMA’S KENYAN BIRTH RECORDS DISCOVERED IN BRITISH NATIONAL ARCHIVES
The Daily Pen ^ | July 18, 2012 | Dan Crosby

Posted on 07/19/2012 5:28:21 PM PDT by Seizethecarp

It now appears the worst fears of the U.S. Constitution’s framers were well founded as investigators working on behalf of the ongoing investigation into the Constitutional eligibility of Barack Obama have found yet another lead in a growing mountain of evidence within the public records section of the British National Archives indicating the occurrence of at least four vital events registered to the name of Barack Obama, taking place in the British Protectorate of East Africa (Kenya) between 1953 and 1963, including the birth of two sons before 1963.

The record of birth of a second son prior to Kenyan independence is significant because biographical information about Obama’s family indicates Obama Sr. fathered only one other son prior to Obama II’s birth.

The books containing hand written line records of vital events attributed to Obama are contained in Series RG36 of the Family Records section in the Kew branch of the BNA. The hand written line records first discovered in 2009, indicate several events were registered to the name Barack Obama (appears to be handwritten and spelled “Burack” and “Biraq”) beginning in 1953 and include two births recorded in 1958 and 1960, a marriage license registration in 1954 and a birth in 1961. Barack Obama is said to have died in 1982 and had married at least once more in Kenya and had at least one more child in 1968, but no record of these were found in the BNA because, according to the Archives’ desk reference, the events occurred after Kenya achieved independence from British colonial rule in 1963.

To date, Barack Obama II is the only known alleged son of Obama Sr. born after 1960 and before the independence of Kenya became official in 1963.

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To: Seizethecarp; Fred Nerks; All

I am so stinking tired of the increasingly caustic posts on FR that attempt to censor what others say.

Carp, you need to have much more respect for the documented research Fred has posted over the years. You may not agree with her conclusions, but she’s contributed mightily to the effort.

If you don’t like a FReeper’s posts or opinions, IGNORE them. Post what you like. Quit criticizing and attempting to muzzle others. There’s nothing wrong with speculating and posting theories, just keep an open mind so eventually the truth can slip in. Go back and look at the early threads, years ago, and look at how far we’ve come.

Keep Free Republic a place for FREE thought in a FREE society, OK??

Starting a thread does not give you ownership or censorship authority over it.

Seriously. The infighting on this thread is ridiculous. It’s going to take a united effort to take this Imposter down, so STOP IT.


401 posted on 07/24/2012 1:47:45 PM PDT by Jedidah
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To: danamco; bluecat6; hoosiermama; LucyT; melancholy; Brown Deer; Fractal Trader
If the BNA index records at the top of this thread are correct, then the only marriage of BHO Sr. in Kenya was to Kezia in 1954.

On the record, BHO Sr. never left HI between 1959 and 1962, while SADO is MIA from April 1961 (university official reports her as pregnant by Sr. to the INS) until late August when she turns up in WA.

For BHO Sr. to have had a second son born in Kenya in 1961, the mother would have had to have been impregnated in Hawaii in 1960 and the mother would have had to travel from HI to Kenya. SADO may have posed nude in December 1961 for FM Davis, but counting back 9 months from the alleged b-day for Barry of Aug 4, 1961, I get November 4, 1960...which is quite a while before Christmas.

SADO may have been impregnated by Lothario BHO Sr. six weeks prior to posing for FMD, if that is actually SADO in the pics.

IMO, FMD and BHO Sr. were both KGB linked and there would be resources available and motivation to pack SADO off to Kenya, perhaps to the care of Ms. Mooney in Nairobi or Gramma Sarah's relatives in Mombasa or both to avoid a scandal, which the INS has already sniffed out.

If this record of a 1961 male birth in Kenya to BHO Sr. in the BNA is truely there, then there was no HI BC with FMD on it as the father, IMO. This would remove FMD as being a candidate to be legal father of Barry and would make it impossible to claim NBC status based on FMD paternity (absent a blood-test and a SCOTUS ruling that a biological father, not a legal father is what governs).

402 posted on 07/24/2012 1:51:35 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: danamco

at one time we looked into the possibility that they were married at sea...worked their way on a boat following the Dutch trade routes from HI to Kenya which are still in use.....The number of ships was just too overwhelming. aka slow boat to china.

Actually think the divorce without marriage eliminates the need to find where married. When it was found stop wasting time on that venue.....If a divorces is needed SADO thought there was a possibility of a legal marriage and wanted to in the least secure custody of little Barry....


403 posted on 07/24/2012 2:14:18 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then.)
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To: Seizethecarp; bluecat6; bgill; SvenMagnussen; advertising guy

Yes to your last paragraph.....If you read bgill. blcat and sven post above you will see another legal location (clerk/recorders office) that needs to be examined by posse in HI or whereever the legal work was processed on the 1971 legal work. Since Sr visit HI for “family business”...That would be the first place to look....OTOH is that visit a red herring? NO...no reason for it to be.


404 posted on 07/24/2012 2:27:15 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then.)
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To: bluecat6; hoosiermama; LucyT; Brown Deer; melancholy
I just went back to the article about Barry's 3rd grade classmate to see if there was an indication of what last name Barry was using in 1969 two years after removal from his mother's passport.

http://archives.starbulletin.com/content/20091228_third_grade_photo_captures_obamas_grin

The article first admits that the story violates the official narrative for Barry's location in 1969 (making it less likely to be disinformation from the Obama team) and then says:

“Inoue first picked up the president's trail after Noelani when he heard the name ‘Barry Obama’ on a radio broadcast of a Punahou basketball game. When Obama became a U.S. senator, Inoue researched his background online to confirm that ‘Barack’ was indeed his old classmate.”

Supposedly a child needed a BC to enroll in a public school and apparently Barry was going by Barry Obama and not Barry Soetoro or Barry Soebarkah in 1969 in HI. This would seem to go against a legal name change and/or custody change, at least in HI for Barry to be a legal son of Lolo in 1969.

This, in turn, reduces the chances that the mystery 1971 trip by BHO Sr. to HI as being a custody change from Lolo back to BHO Sr. as father (regardless of legal identity in Indonesia only valid while in Indonesia where Barry might have Barry Soetoro/Soebarkah).

405 posted on 07/24/2012 2:28:30 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp; hoosiermama

I read a long post, I think on Ladysforest’s blog which indicated that there was an index record for the Obama/Dunham marriage in the records of one of the Hawaii islands, maybe Kauai that matched the particulars in the divorce decree, While there is a possibility of forgery, her account of her research would seem to indicate otherwise. Some Freepers have complained that what I said was a mischaracterization, but I stand by my analysis of the blog.

On a tangent, I also read a blog (http://myveryownpointofview.wordpress.com/2010/05/28/extra-extra-announcing-obamas-birth/) where the individual went to The Library of Congress and went through the microfilms of the Hawaii newspapers. First of all, there was clear evidence that the microfilm tapes for the relevant dates had been altered. Secondly the alleged announcement pages were radically different than all other pages that month, were identical between the two papers, and reused births which had been announced earlier.


406 posted on 07/24/2012 2:30:57 PM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: Seizethecarp; bluecat6

I think others up thread ruled out the custoday angle because that could have been done with a signed affidavit mailed from Kenya....However there is a line where signature of parents (with an s) is required in either establishing a bc and/or citizenship....Need to see Posted in last 24 hours.

Blue cat was that conversation with you?


407 posted on 07/24/2012 2:34:48 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then.)
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To: Fractal Trader

While watching a HGTV show using ads in their programs face, it occured to me that the ‘stripper’ lines....the lines between the cut/paste were very evident in ads....had problems. Have never seen that addressed...OTOH since the posse explained how those were generated they have lost their relavance IMO.


408 posted on 07/24/2012 2:39:18 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then.)
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To: hoosiermama

The posse never dealt with the issue that the birth announcements had been forged. Instead, they merely pointed out that the announcements in general include foreign births, among other anomalies.


409 posted on 07/24/2012 2:45:37 PM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: Fractal Trader

And what many people don’t understand is that those announcements do not list and thus, do not prove a place of birth.


410 posted on 07/24/2012 2:50:03 PM PDT by edge919
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To: Fractal Trader

the heaviest evidence present in the 17th presser was in fact about forged docs....to be specific, front row seated were two savants who were named in the presser, their expetise, their results, conclusions, and the supporting posse conlusions and stapled deep papers from both efforts passed out.

Both were seated expectin press questions but everyone knows those docs are fake ( an overlooked progress btw)

As I wrote in the march 1st presser review here....by the time that third video was show exposin the selective service doc even the loudest Obama defender just knew.
Even Satan bowed his head and said..........shit.


411 posted on 07/24/2012 3:03:11 PM PDT by advertising guy (the White House hasn't had this much leakin since Billy Carter watered the Rose Garden)
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To: Fractal Trader

I think the birth announcements is an angle that needs more work. Someone somewhere still has an original 1961 newspaper in a box in the attic/garage that needs to be found. Are there any boots on the ground in Honolulu that can work this? I’d suggest contacting every birth and every marriage recorded on that page. One of them has a copy of the paper in their baby book or in their wedding album I would bet.


412 posted on 07/24/2012 3:05:08 PM PDT by LivingNet
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To: Seizethecarp; bluecat6; hoosiermama; LucyT; melancholy; Brown Deer; Fractal Trader; Fred Nerks; ...

Lots of speculations without credible sources equal to what you are accusing Fred Nerks of (and even being an Australian his 1st ammentments right should be protected here on F.R., and NOT cencored by you), and the same source speculations counts for Sven Magnusson!

Dr. Corsi went to Kenya and was stonewalled. IIRC Emanuel went there too and then records are either sealed or missing!!

Some other guy was sent ahead to Indonesia on same mission and you have the same outcome there, everybody mum. If you compare Barry to FMD they have identical same upper lips with the distinkt valley, which nobody else possible sperm donors have!!!

Just tell us, what was/is it that the traitor found in his tucked away b.c. that he didn’t like, THAT may solve all speculations???


413 posted on 07/24/2012 3:07:15 PM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: Fractal Trader; Seizethecarp; bluecat6; thecodont; butterdezillion

Start here and follow my comments. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2908395/posts?q=1&;page=328

Note the (s)in parents.

Establishing a delayed BC ....?????


414 posted on 07/24/2012 3:28:26 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then.)
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To: Fractal Trader

They stated the birth announcements were the product of information released by the department that did the registering. But did not indicate the source of the documentation that triggered their action.


415 posted on 07/24/2012 3:36:24 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then.)
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To: danamco; JulieRNR21; kinganamort; katherineisgreat; floriduh voter; summer; Goldwater Girl; ...
Down Dane! Have an akvavit or two and relax. It doesn't matter anymore whether our fearlessly ineligible leader is actually the Lost Dauphin of France, or an Elvis love child.

We absolutely got him posting a fraudulent document on the WH Website. That's enough of a crime for any reasonable man to throw him the hell out. But that's not going to happen before the election, which he's going to lose quite handily. After the inevitable "inner city riots," we can deal with the crime.

By that time, he could be head of the UN, serving as President of Kenya, as Prime Minister of the UK, or running a rijstafel restaurant in Djakarta (how the heck DO you spell that?)... all of which he IS constitutionally qualified for.

BTW, I have qualified you, yes YOU, as a "Natural Born Citizen." I stopped by the Honolulu Registry Office and swore with two Filipino Midwives that you were born in My Little Grass Shack in Kealakekua, Hawaii

www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HNpVs_QZkQ

And with a Mormon as President, I see no problem in retroactively (a) uniting your parents and grandparents in holy Mormon matrimony and (b) making them "Natural Born Citizens,"too.

Feel free to enter any Republican Primary in 2016 as a candidate for President, along with Rubio, and the wimp in the green eyeshade, Jindal.

416 posted on 07/24/2012 3:39:41 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (What Hawaii gave to Obama, was not what Obama gave to us.)
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To: danamco
Yesterday, and continuing on into today, I have sorted out the knowns facts from speculation about the matter of BHO II's nationality and presented the facts alone to a federally trained and employed INS official (recently retired).

This official, a skeptic about the issue...i.e. believing that BHO II is, in fact a US citizen under the laws of the United States, listened, asked questions and clarified items over which she had concerns. She referred to her INS legal material, quoted section 8 United States Code. Page 98 of the IMMIGRATION LAW Pocket FieldGuide (tm) 2006 EDITION copyright LexisNexis Gould Publications page 98-99 (Nationality charts) and concluded that if the subject Barack Hussein Obama II was born in Kenya as alleged he is not a US citizen at all because Title 8 USC does not confer "Derivative Citizenship" to a child born outside the US and its territories because the provisions of the Immigration and Nationalities Act (INA) section 274C (8USC 1324c), INA 275 (8USC 1325) which define provisions by which a person has US citizenship, exclude him.

The issue revolves around the INA of 1948 which provides that for a child of one alien and one US citizen to derive US citizenship by birth (as in anchor babies) the USC mother must have spent for 10 years continuously, five of which must have been after the age of 14 and before the age of 28.

Since the available record reflects that Stanley Ann Dunham DOB November 29, 1942, bore and delivered Barack Hussein Obama II at age 18 on August 4, 1961, prior to her 19th birthday November 29, 1961, Barack Hussein Obama II cannot claim US citizenship by birth.

The question remains, whether anyone in "authority" in the legal and judicial system has the guts to take these facts and render a legally binding decision.

417 posted on 07/24/2012 4:02:09 PM PDT by oneolcop (Lead, Follow or Get the Hell Out of the Way!)
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To: hoosiermama
...Looks like the David mystery is solved.

Yep, they think they solved it when they wrote in 'Dreams' that he looked so much like zero he was mistaken for him in the streets of Nairobi. They think they solved it when they wrote he was killed in a motor cycle accident. They had it solved until the day that Mark placed the image of the two little boys on his webpage, and tried to tell us that one boy was David and the other boy was himself.

And when it became clear that there wasn't enough age difference between them to be brothers, and it was highly unlikely that children of the same parents would pop out one almost white and the other black, Mark changed the image and lightened the skin-tone of the dark child. Then he removed it altogether.

And now they are circling the wagons, and every book on the subject tells you about 'David' - but try as they might, they can't take it away that the smaller child in that photograph is who he looks like, and some time, somewhere, that little boy was sitting beside the child the Kenyan is photographed with in Kenya, in that family group that shows himself, his own son, and Ruth with her child born in 1965, whose name is MARK.

bite me

418 posted on 07/24/2012 5:05:56 PM PDT by Fred Nerks
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To: bgill
...It's very easy to walk out with these old files. Bound indexes are hard to fix so it's easier to make the entire book disappear...

You are right on the ball there, I always maintained if it was possible to see the family court records, the entire story would fall out of the dusty boxes...but there's not much hope of that, is there?

419 posted on 07/24/2012 5:11:21 PM PDT by Fred Nerks
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To: bgill
...and the only time he looked really happy was when they were tossing a bucket full of what might have been ashes, into the sea...like I tried to explain, I don't read books or believe articles, I follow the people, their expressions, their movements, it's amazing how predictable they all are.

There's an image of him standing at the door of the apartment he apparently shared with Siddiqi, he's about to put the key in the door...he's dressed like a street-kid and he looks awful. Couple that with the description of his first night on the mainland, which is one of the very few believable scenarios in that book, because it's coupled with his appearance in that photograph...so he slept on a fire escape and washed at a fire hydrant. Why? He had adoring grandparents! How could they allow that to happen, and then they visited him in New York, according to that FAKED Central Park image.

Why create the fake? I think we know why.

420 posted on 07/24/2012 5:22:25 PM PDT by Fred Nerks
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To: Kenny Bunk

I was Thinking outside the box and would like to see if you guys will help me researh something????— (it might be nothing, but who knows).. I used to own 42% of some shallow oil and gas wells in independence Kansas— Peru Kansas is only 29 miles from Independence kansas were (madelyn payne dunham grew up)— If you know that area, it is loaded with property owners that sell there mineral rights to oil and gas companies or personal people wanting to get in that type of buinesses— as you know, royalities are passed down as a family member dies, and most of oil and gas records are public knowledge (and very detailed info)..But it could lead to interesting info if madelyn had property that was leased.. In that area oil and gas wells are everywhere- “JUST A THOUGHT”


421 posted on 07/24/2012 5:26:18 PM PDT by chicken head
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To: oneolcop; LucyT; melancholy; hoosiermama; Brown Deer
“The issue revolves around the INA of 1948 which provides that for a child of one alien and one US citizen to derive US citizenship by birth (as in anchor babies) the USC mother must have spent for 10 years continuously, five of which must have been after the age of 14 and before the age of 28.

“Since the available record reflects that Stanley Ann Dunham DOB November 29, 1942, bore and delivered Barack Hussein Obama II at age 18 on August 4, 1961, prior to her 19th birthday November 29, 1961, Barack Hussein Obama II cannot claim US citizenship by birth.”

I appreciate what you have done, but it matters whether Stanley Ann was legally single or not:

http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_5199.html

“Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock:

“A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) of the INA provided the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen, is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen, is required for physical presence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.) The U.S. citizen parent must be genetically related to the child to transmit U.S. citizenship.”

“Birth Abroad Out-of-Wedlock to a U.S. Citizen Mother:

“A person born abroad out-of-wedlock to a U.S. citizen mother may acquire U.S. citizenship under Section 309(c) of the INA if the mother was a U.S. citizen at the time of the person’s birth and if the mother was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the person’s birth. The mother must be genetically related to the person in order to transmit U.S. citizenship.”

As you can see, if Stanley Ann met the out-of-wedlock condition, only one year of being “...physically present in the United States...for a continuous period of one year...” is required to transmit citizenship.

Please ask your source to reconsider given that under HI law SADO’s Feb. 2, 1961 marriage in the HI index was bigamous and thus a nullity (didn't exist).

Even if the marriage was de facto legal in HI having not been challenged (only suspected as bigamous by INS), on arrival in Kenya, the article at the top of the thread affirms a Kenya Colony vital record of one marriage for BHO Sr. prior to 1963 that being one in 1954 matching the Kezia marriage year. Thus in Kenya, BHO Sr. was already married with no vital record of divorce and in Kenya, Stanley Ann would be single in 1961 if she gave birth there...and she would have transmitted US nationality to baby Barry.

See my vanity thread for a case in the 9th Circuit where a ruling implies Barry would be NBC even if born in Kenya to a single or married mom. I disagree with the ruling, but I'm not a federal judge, of course:

“Obama cites US v Marguet-Pillado. Dicta implies Obama eligible even if born in Kenya”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2857598/posts?page=1

In support of the opinion in US v Marguet-Pillado, 9th Cir. 2011, Judge Gwin, writing for the majority in his “III Analysis” dicta, states: “No one disputes that Marguet-Pillado’s requested instruction was ‘an accurate statement of the law,’ in that it correctly stated the two circumstances in which an individual born in 1968 is a natural-born United States citizen: (1) that the person was born in the United States or (2) born outside the United States to a biologically-related United States citizen parent who met certain residency requirements.”

422 posted on 07/24/2012 5:27:14 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: oneolcop
Not only are you a skeptic, but you are a very complex and exceedingly accurate legal thinker.

BUT, why attempt to take all of what you said to court, when we have the SOB in a clear case of forgery?
You're a cop, right? Well let's get the DA to hold the marxist SOB on forgery: felony "A," while we try to pin everything from the Chicago Fire to the Lindbergh Kidnapping on his sorry ass.

First things first, copper. "A" to "B," not "A" to "Z."

423 posted on 07/24/2012 5:32:56 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (What Hawaii gave to Obama, was not what Obama gave to us.)
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To: Seizethecarp; Jim Robinson; Admin Moderator; LucyT; melancholy; Brown Deer; STARWISE; ...

I copied what I could see of the people pinged to your comment.

You’ve made pretty much a mess of it, but thanks for the summary anyway; there’s just one I really do object to, and that’s this:

“1. Obama is the son of Malcolm X and a Lebanese actress (not a shred of evidence offered, but only speculation).”

I think Seizethecarp is referring to this video, to which I have posted the link a number of times, and a comment I made that maybe he gets his almost white skin from his father and the purple lips from his mother -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4A3bYdwSsr8&list=UUp5Mqb8hSKGI1hbk5ayzXXA&index=18&feature=plcp

It’s got to be a very real handicap being a retired CPA and a Document Examiner - which means that nothing can possibly be real unless it’s written down somewhere. Like in ‘Dreams’ or any one of the various books out there about our ‘hero’ - not to mention the adoring articles in the MSM.

I did suggest you skip addressing me, but you are determined to destroy my reputation on FR, aren’t you? It could backfire on you.


424 posted on 07/24/2012 3:59:45 PM PDT by Fred Nerks
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To: oneolcop
The question remains, whether anyone in "authority" in the legal and judicial system has the guts to take these facts and render a legally binding decision.

Nope. Q.E.D.

425 posted on 07/24/2012 4:03:35 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (What Hawaii gave to Obama, was not what Obama gave to us.)
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To: chicken head

Born on October 26, 1922, in Peru, Kansas, Madelyn moved to Augusta, KS, at age 3. Her parents, Rolla Charles Payne (1892-1968) and Leona McCurry (1897-1930), were strict Methodists who frowned upon her weekend forays to El Dorado, “the wrong side of the tracks,” where she met her future husband.

According to biographical accounts, Madelyn’s parents lived on a farm but enjoyed a ‘modest income’ from leasing their land to John D. Rockefeller’s Standard Oil Company. The Paynes were not farmers.

Madelyn eloped with SAD on May (4th or 5th), 1940, a secret she kept from her parents until after her high school graduation. Madelyn worked as a waitress and then landed a job with Boeing in Wichita as a riveter on a B-29 assembly line during WWII.

Her father managed oil leases for Standard Oil in Oklahoma and Kansas.


426 posted on 07/24/2012 4:10:25 PM PDT by chicken head
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To: Seizethecarp; Fred Nerks; Jim Robinson

Personalities clash and disagreements happen on cantankerous issues, but I call foul on the stalking, trolling accusations. Proffered opinions, documents and photos by someone who’s been a credible researcher on this issue for almost 4 years are unwarranted.

I’m also not aware of any police state policy here about who can post on what threads and when.

Let’s please chill ..


427 posted on 07/24/2012 4:17:00 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: chicken head

I bet those royalities are passed down all the way to “0” from the dunham property.. and it also explains why they moved aroud all the time if stanley armour was chasing oil and gas leases for standard oil— I bet my Left N-t we can get some VERY good info from the dunham oil and gas lease


428 posted on 07/24/2012 4:17:50 PM PDT by chicken head
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To: advertising guy
Both were seated expectin press questions but everyone knows those docs are fake ( an overlooked progress btw)

The simple unvarnished facts are simply not sexy enough to compete with elaborate (and perhaps even true) scenarios in which a lot of people have invested 3 years of research and intense thought.

Everything all of us have turned up is the stuff of treason ... and is infuriatingly enough, largely useless. Now, thanks to Sheriff Joe, it has all devolved to "Forgery." The documents are fake. Everything else we have dealt with, now becomes supportive evidence; background material. To dwell upon it further only gives the opposition more areas into which they mean to lead us astray along false trails.

Case in point: this thread British Archives..... Why is this news now? It is certainly not directly germane to the case Sheriff Joe has built. Get him on the forgery first ... then add this for the next trial.

We don't need more evidence. We need action on the evidence we have now through Sheriff Joe. That's where the energy ought to go. IMHO, of course.

429 posted on 07/24/2012 4:20:10 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (What Hawaii gave to Obama, was not what Obama gave to us.)
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To: Fred Nerks

Any and everything before the high school years is certainly suspect - at the very best.

After thinking about it. What the Sheriff showed last week was that nothing - simply nothing from Hawaii government can be be believed.

And your work shows it should not be believed.

Digitally altered photos, digitally created BCs, lack of any records of any type. No passport records. SAD passport records cut off at 1965 and it goes on.

I document the dates I have collected. I wish they were 100% validated dates. But they are not. They are just collected during internet travels. Some definitely conflict creating logic gaps that have never been explained.

When nothing is for certain then nothing can be ruled out - no matter how outrageous the theory.

A few sets of documents clears this all up. Where are the people in Hawaii who care? Is the whole state corrupt?


430 posted on 07/24/2012 4:21:03 PM PDT by bluecat6 ( "A non-denial denial. They doubt our heritage, but they don't say the story is not accurate.")
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To: chicken head

Fr mail....might be the source of the 500,000 she left Bo and explain why they always seemed to have money to travel the world


431 posted on 07/24/2012 4:21:36 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then.)
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To: little jeremiah; LucyT; Seizethecarp; hoosiermama

Thanks, that’s very nice of you, but this entire issue goes further back than you could be aware of. Someone I will not name circulated via private mail, a number of items of research material that was to remain private. That person had offered to keep research results off site for safe-keeping.
Instead, the results were circulated (WITH MY SCREEN NAME STILL ATTACHED)to a ping list of over a hundred people. And the information those messages contained was used to denigrate me and the research group of nine freepers who remained nameless throughout and will continue to remain nameless.
When this rotten deed came to light, my original reaction was to close down the entire effort, and wipe all our results.

To be then told THIS IS OUR COUNTRY was the last straw.

Ultimately, maybe even unwisely, I decided to fight back. The material our group collected, much of which has not been published here, is in the safe hands of a number of people, AND WE ARE STILL ADDING TO IT.

So Seizethecarp and Hoosiermama, and LucyT, aside from the plain ridiculous charges against me that I am a subversive -there are NINE freepers whose names you will never know, who contributed. And THEY know how far off the truth of the matter you are.

But I am a ‘make lemonade’ sorta guy...the three of you have done more to draw attention to what is probably going on, than I ever could without you, so keep it up.


432 posted on 07/24/2012 4:21:43 PM PDT by Fred Nerks
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To: Jedidah
I find it quite distressing that each time it happens, any discussion simply stops and gets bogged down with criticism, and it happens too often. Maybe we need slogan...something like LENIN'S FORWARD that zero is now using? (sarc.)

ARE WE FORGETTING WHAT WE ARE FIGHTING?

433 posted on 07/24/2012 4:30:53 PM PDT by Fred Nerks
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To: Kenny Bunk
1) I'm not the skeptic, the INS Immigration Inspector was the skeptic.

2) A court must have jurisdiction at the place the alleged crime occurred. Where did the crime occur? I suppose DC. Or perhaps Hawaii. Or maybe Denver. The fact is, at this time, no one to my knowledge is sure where the forgery occurred.

A DA has jurisdiction in a particular political entity, not everywhere in the country. Furthermore, assuming it could be shown that the crime occurred in say, DC, the DC prosecutor would have to file the case. Any chance of that?

The reason I posted what I did is to start with A and get the right people to take the next step.

Realistically, if the US Congress and the US Supreme Court won't touch this, we're screwed. The rule of law has completely broken down.

It's pitchforks and torches after this.

434 posted on 07/24/2012 4:31:00 PM PDT by oneolcop (Lead, Follow or Get the Hell Out of the Way!)
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To: hoosiermama

Yep— i bet they were rich, or atleast very well off- the state of Kansas will have all records in the mineral department an its public knowledge.. here in louisiana i can go to baton rouge and look up any wells that were drilled and info regaurding it.. Kansas may have it all in computor now—


435 posted on 07/24/2012 4:31:09 PM PDT by chicken head
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To: STARWISE

We’ve got to raise the bar at least a little.

There are pro-Obama people out there who, while only minimally aware that their ideology will never stand on its own merit, are nevertheless willing to advance it.

Using deceptive strategies to further a political agenda they don’t fully understand. Their plan includes online trolling.


436 posted on 07/24/2012 4:32:13 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Why do you seek the living among the dead? (Luke 24:5))
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To: danamco
...Just tell us, what was/is it that the traitor found in his tucked away b.c. that he didn’t like, THAT may solve all speculations???

IF he did find a birth certificate as it says he did in 'Dreams' then he probably found the birth certificate belonging to the child of the kenyan-son-of-a-goat-herder and his wife/girlfriend whose name wasn't Stanley Ann Dunham. That would have brought the Dunham house down. Off he goes to see Frank, and Frank tells him who he really is. Why not? He's old enough to know now. So he takes off for the mainland. I am inclined, with some reservation, to believe the birth certificate story in 'Dreams' only because he describes an article from a local newspaper that was in the same place. And that article DID turn up much later, I have a copy. A copy of the bc he found...THAT'S the one we need to see!

437 posted on 07/24/2012 4:43:35 PM PDT by Fred Nerks
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To: Seizethecarp; Fred Nerks; STARWISE
Tempers-are-short-now-because-we-got-the-guy-dead-to-rights-and-still-nothing-is-happening-ping.
We need
One official in one state
1.

To step up and remove Obama from that state's ballot. SoS Bennett in AZ is actually wavering ... something at which he is apparently quite adept. Tak'im off Bennett. Enter history as a hero.

438 posted on 07/24/2012 4:44:11 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (What Hawaii gave to Obama, was not what Obama gave to us.)
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To: Kenny Bunk; oneolcop; advertising guy
SOOOO.....It's either the crime or the cover up....If you can't prove the crime, prove the cover up. Just like they got Capone for income tax evasion instead all the other crimes.

Posting a fraudulent document over state lines should break some type of RICO law.

There was silence on some of the previously mentioned subject. Could this be a sign that legal actions are in the works.... hmmmm???

439 posted on 07/24/2012 4:50:09 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then.)
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To: reasonisfaith

To whom do you refer?


440 posted on 07/24/2012 4:51:19 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: bluecat6; Fred Nerks
When nothing is for certain then nothing can be ruled out - no matter how outrageous the theory.

Or how "outrageous" a theory looks to someone who thinks they "know" already.

441 posted on 07/24/2012 4:52:18 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: reasonisfaith; STARWISE

The “anti-birther” trolls are oddly enough, absent these days. I don’t see anyone else on these threads lately that smacks of troll.

Just some egos here and there. But what do I know.


442 posted on 07/24/2012 4:53:55 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: chicken head

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=32646541

ROLLA PAYNE


443 posted on 07/24/2012 4:55:58 PM PDT by Fred Nerks
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To: Fred Nerks

What everyone needs to be is sincerely MISSION ORIENTED and not “ego” oriented. I am pointing fingers at no one; each person involved can do their own self searching, as every human being should do anyway in their ordinary life, or human life means nothing.

But there are evil people who never do self-searching, and they are the enemy.


444 posted on 07/24/2012 4:59:23 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: STARWISE

I’m chillin’ ... in fact, I’m beginning to see the funny side and it’s advantages. All my detractors have managed to do is draw attention to something I’ve been trying to tell you all...so what’s to get upset about?


445 posted on 07/24/2012 5:00:42 PM PDT by Fred Nerks
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To: Fred Nerks
I am inclined, with some reservation, to believe the birth certificate story in 'Dreams' only because he describes an article from a local newspaper that was in the same place. And that article DID turn up much later, I have a copy. A copy of the bc he found...THAT'S the one we need to see!

That's interesting. I either didn't know that, or forgot. I figured the story about finding the b.c. in Dreams must have some big significance or it wouldn't have been included.

446 posted on 07/24/2012 5:03:14 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Fred Nerks
Fred, please bear in mind that the "Dreams of My Father" story was not written (a) by Obama, and (b) written long after the facts were alleged to have taken place. It is entirely possible that the BC episode was a deliberate plant.

DOMF is quite possibly, imho, a "legend," i.e., a phony life story of the sort an intelligence agency might fabricate to substantiate a reasonable history for an undercover agent who may risk interrogation. We know Obama did not write it. He says he did. Therefore it is untrustworthy as a source.

But again in MHO, there is scant need for further speculation on this matter when proven facts are in evidence. In regard to .THAT'S the one we need to see!...it's not. We have what he released on the WH website. We now know from the Hawaiians that that is not what they gave him. So now we need to see what the Hawaiians gave him and refused to let the investigators see. Take him off the AZ ballot. When he goes to court to sue for reinstatement, or to ask for a stay, both documents become part of discovery.

Elaborate process is not our friend. It has aided Team Obama to skate away from the day of reckoning.

447 posted on 07/24/2012 5:03:57 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (What Hawaii gave to Obama was not what Obama gave to us.)
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To: Kenny Bunk; Fred Nerks

From comments I’ve read, I’m sure that FN knows that Dreams was written to provide a backstory for the man known as 0bama, is written by Ayers, and is mostly mythology, with some factoids tossed in for leavening.


448 posted on 07/24/2012 5:07:47 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Fred Nerks

Awesome find fred— they dont look poor thats for sure..Man i really suck on a computor—LOL.. Is there any way of findind out how much property they owned- ( kansas and oklahoma.. and location— cause i would need that to find the well# or wells drilled to get info regaurding them..whoever is leaseing it now is probally not standard oil— these leases sell, and change hands all the time— thanks for the info


449 posted on 07/24/2012 5:10:20 PM PDT by chicken head
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To: chicken head

Like I said, you do ask the right questions...although I have no idea how you would find out what you are looking for. But you are doing well, I posted that information about Rolla Payne a long time ago, it seemed significant at the time we were asking ourselves, what might the meaning be of the statement one of the Kenya family made, that the kenyan student had gone to the US not long after leaving the school at Maseno, (according to the teacher) and that he was working for an oil company and had married a woman named Anna Toot.
See how one thing leads to another if you ask?


450 posted on 07/24/2012 5:19:18 PM PDT by Fred Nerks
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