Skip to comments.OBAMA’S KENYAN BIRTH RECORDS DISCOVERED IN BRITISH NATIONAL ARCHIVES
Posted on 07/19/2012 5:28:21 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
It now appears the worst fears of the U.S. Constitutions framers were well founded as investigators working on behalf of the ongoing investigation into the Constitutional eligibility of Barack Obama have found yet another lead in a growing mountain of evidence within the public records section of the British National Archives indicating the occurrence of at least four vital events registered to the name of Barack Obama, taking place in the British Protectorate of East Africa (Kenya) between 1953 and 1963, including the birth of two sons before 1963.
The record of birth of a second son prior to Kenyan independence is significant because biographical information about Obamas family indicates Obama Sr. fathered only one other son prior to Obama IIs birth.
The books containing hand written line records of vital events attributed to Obama are contained in Series RG36 of the Family Records section in the Kew branch of the BNA. The hand written line records first discovered in 2009, indicate several events were registered to the name Barack Obama (appears to be handwritten and spelled Burack and Biraq) beginning in 1953 and include two births recorded in 1958 and 1960, a marriage license registration in 1954 and a birth in 1961. Barack Obama is said to have died in 1982 and had married at least once more in Kenya and had at least one more child in 1968, but no record of these were found in the BNA because, according to the Archives desk reference, the events occurred after Kenya achieved independence from British colonial rule in 1963.
To date, Barack Obama II is the only known alleged son of Obama Sr. born after 1960 and before the independence of Kenya became official in 1963.
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NO we don't know that. And do YOU really believe that Bill/Hill believed that, especially after Bill Gwatney was shot point blank???
Claimed; but no proof at all.
I’d probably be convinced if I had any faith in those added written “notes,” which contribute mightily to the “Dreams” bio. How convenient, especially given the mountain of evidence that files have been scrubbed, sealed, or altered everywhere Barry0 has purportedly lived.
I’m not believing much of anything these days.
Personally, despite Lucas Smith’s colorful past (and present), I find the entirety of his document quite convincing. First, the time of birth exactly matched the LFBC, even though it was not available anywhere else (aka COLB) previously. Second, the list of officials on the document correspond to real people who were in the appropriate official position at the time of the document, and some of whom have been shown to be close acquaintances of BHO senior. Third the nonsense about Kenya, Provincial Coast Providence, etc is a red herring, in my opinion.
Here are some other factoids:
1) According to singer Pat Boone, when he was in a trip to perform in Kenya, everyone would come up to him and brag about the Kenyan-born president in the White House
2) Comments Obama made to freeper Race Bannon
3) Comments to the Ayers’ mailman
4) Testimony of nuns who helped her get out of Kenya
5) Obama’s grandmother remembering the birth of Obama in Kenya
6) The image of the birth certificate signed by Madelyn Dunham, which corresponds exactly as one would expect if one were registering a foreign birth in Hawaii
7) Many newspapers, not limited to African papers, listing Obama as Kenyan-born when reporting on his 2004 election to US Senator
8) The “typo” on his literary biography, uncorrected for 12 years, listing him as Kenyan born
and so on....
That’s was what I call ACTION, instead of words, words, words with nothing behind. Thank you!!!
Thanks better than a picture as it establishes a time line too.
In order to know truth (about anything), a person first needs to clear their mind of preconceived debris and take a fresh look at the evidence.
“Dreams” was written to provide a fake life for Zero so he could become President. So nothing in their is believable unless it has corroborating evidence. I wish people would understand that. Many seem to be more or less accepting much of Dreams as the default truth, and only things that have water tight proof of falsity, do they deem false. It should be the other way around. Everything in Dreams is false unless proven true by other means.
Regarding the eBay thing!!!
When a person like Sheriff Joe Arpaio CANNOT get any traction with the State Run Media, who think a young person like Smith could get any. So desperation kicks in. Then it’s better to kill the messenger than the message???
IMO the FOIA notes destroy the “Dreams” bio and Barry's entire life narrative, apart from being consistent with SADO being his mom.
Giving up the baby to the Salvation Army and SADO in WA destroys the little family with American dreams meme of the 2004 convention.
Look at the title of the book! “Dreams From My Father” The father is the worst sort of person in many dimensions. How do the FOIA INS notes contribute to the Dreams bio?
There is overwhelming evidence predating “Dreams” affirming SADO as his mom. As I have suggested, those pushing that view should start their own threads rather than hijacking other threads that assume SADO is the mom.
Yes, the proof is in the pudding. Regardless of all the controvesies about Smith, I think that one day down the road he will come out on top!!!
Not to forget Adam Smith(???) also, or for that matter Neil Abercommie???
The INS was investigating the goat herder and didn’t trust him!!!
Did they not deport him???
My memory (and money, if I was a gambler) is that the Bomford document was the template for the Smith forgery, but as noted up the thread, the forgery was manufactured with very sophisticated equipment.
I wonder who made it.
I don’t recall “Adam Smith,” but it has been shown that Neil Abercombie probably never saw the baby Obama. However, his closeness to the family (he even visited BHO sr. in Kenya) would make it inevitable that he would know that BHO jr. was born in Kenya .... on the other hand, he did go on that wild goose chase to find the “real” birth certificate.
1) No record in any hospital of SADO
2) Statement of former elections official that there were no birth records for BHO sr in Hawaii
3) Statement of former Hawaiian clerk who emphatically said that, if she signed the document, the birth could not have been in the hospital listed on the forged BC.
OK, this ties in with a question that has been in my mind for awhile:
What passport was used to get here from Indonesia?
Sven, you spell out a possible way for him to get a Connecticut SSN, but how did he avoid getting booted as danamco noted?
There would have to be a connection/approval back in Indonesia.
How does/did that work?
Looking for the everyday (early 70’s everyday ) garden variety methods used.
(It was SWAG on my part about 0 being part of high rank Indonesian family)
” . I finally realized that Stanley was not hte mother on the Auntie thread; Id already realized that the Kenyan wasnt the father.
But the FMD being the father is really beyond reasons and evidence.”
So who ARE his parents?
It would be easier to pay attention to your take on this if you’d quit being such a #@&#! about other people’s opinions.
FR threads are not proprietary. Just because you started it doesn’t mean you own it. And if anyone is ever going to crack the mystery of who 0 is, it will be someone with an open mind.
Yours, which otherwise seems to be quite intelligent, unfortunately also seems to have slammed shut.
I have no idea what the truth is but hope sincerely that it eventually comes out. Meanwhile, please be nicer to folks who are on your side.
Hasn’t the general story of why he used Barry S. in school in Indonesia was because the government there required a young person living in an adult’s (LOLO) home be a family member.(need for his adoption)
well, maybe the government found out he wasn’t adopted, removed him from the home and deported him....would records be available?
Dad said just flying home alone to “visit” grandma would not have triggered anything with our government in regard to custody/parental rights....But an international incident might.
I posted their photos on comment 600.
Anyone adding info to this thread, even if it disagrees with what you think, is not hijacking the thread.
(Since FR doesn’t have a button . . . )
Unless people start discussing American Idol or something totally unrelated. That is hijacking. Thinking that hijacking is everything except an Amen Corner is pure silliness.
I’ve written several oil and gas attorney’s in Independnce Kansas to see if they will gather mineral right info, how much property madelyn inherited, royalities, ect— havent heard back nothing yet.. If someome out there lives in this area, i will send you a few bucks to researh this, starting with Rolla charles payne and how much property he had + the new mineral right owner from a sign and well# posted on the property.. the well owner will have DETAILED info in a contract of the person collecting royalities from the well or wells passed down from madelyn dunham..Rolla Charles payne could have been a land owner in the oklahoma area also, but i cant confirm that- any help from a kansas peep would be awesome, — thanks..
A naturalized citizen could be eligible to run for the offices of state senator (Illinois) or U.S. Senator, and hold those offices. Did BO show those naturalization papers when he ran for those offices? How did he prove his United States citizenship? Did he wave his stale U.S. "Hawaiian" birth certificate under the noses of the Sec. of State and other officials and say "See, here's the proof" he was eligible for those offices, even though the B.C. was no longer valid to prove his nationality if he was depatriated and later naturalized?"
Who's to say he even showed anything to be placed on the state ballot for state Senator? He probably simply signed a paper that said he was eligible and...bingo! He's on the ballot, no questions asked (or answered).
It appears that many/most(?) states don't require such documentation and some even appear to be offended that such documentation should be required (these days).
It has NOT been established publicly that Smith’s was a forgery to the contrary it has been hush hushed away and HE was under oath as well!!!
Who peed in your corn flakes? I focused on that first one on the left because as soon as I saw it, I thought it looked like Davis. It was an opinion. K? I guess I’m due an occasional opinion. Your posts do not show you as being a very nice person. Sweeten up. God loves you and so do I.
LJ, one has to allow for features that come from the mother’s side. I admit that O looks an awful lot like his white grandfather. The long chin and big ears, but the eyes, mouth forehead and expression, IN MY OPINION, look like FMD.
I don’t mean established by an external certifying organization or court or anything; just the conclusion of the long thread/s about it.
Odd, most people don’t see any resemblance at all to FMD. Take a look at post 600 and see if you see a resemblance in to MX.
Sorry for my big laps. It’s Tim Adams!!!
Posting bright shiny objects, like pictures of Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf and claiming they are Barry's parents based on nothing except speculation IS American Idol level hijacking...especially on a thread about a birth record in Kenya claimed to be linked directly to Barry's namesake.
Was actress Valerie Sarruf in Kenya in 1961 on an Avenger shoot? That would be germane to the topic.
The identity of Valerie Sarruf as a claimed mom for Barry (with Malcolm X as the dad) was revealed on the public FR thread comments:
This claim of paternity/maternity for Barry may have first been put forward by Polarick (Ron Pollard) in this video morphing Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf into Barry's image in a very creepy fashion:
“Mal and Val - not Ann and the Old Man - YouTube”
FReepers supporting Valerie Sarruf as mom seem to regard her name as a big secret but have been coming on nearly every eligibility thread and posting her picture and/or comments such as “Stanley Ann is NOT Barry's mom.”
No documentary evidence other then “degrees of separation” to bit-players in the FOIA narrative are ever offered, such as a non-blood relationship to a former babysitter of Barry, Mary Toutonghi.
I regard the persistent diversion of eligibility threads off into “SADO is not the mom” wild goose chases to be a form of not just hijacking but trolling. This activity only aides Obama’s team, IMO.
If interested, why not just start an FR thread on the topic of “Are Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf the parents of Barack Obama? and leave the evidence based, forensic eligibility threads on FR alone?
BTW, numerous false claims (claims with no contemporaneous evidence) flow directly from the “Valerie is his mom” cult-like belief. Defense of these claims spam up eligibility threads as well:
1. SADO was never in HI until 1963 and never attended U of HI
2. SADO was never in WA at U of WA
3. BHO Sr. married a Filipina named Ann S. Obama and had a baby first named BHO II, but then changed to Roman Obama.
4. Roman Obama was the baby who was babysat by Mary Toutonghi but in January of 1961, not 1962.
5. Roman Obama (pictured as an adult in Ghana, IIRC and posted on this thread as another hijack) is the “dark boy” in the pictures originally provided by and identified as being Mark Obama.
6. Baby David Obama never existed because it is actually the man now known as BHO II who was in the picture with “dark boy” Roman Obama (where or how is not explained or documented)
All of these six points (and numerous others) appear to have been inserted in the narrative by the Mal and Val crowd to explain away the possibility that Stanley Ann is Barry's mom.
That helps Obama, IMO whether intentionally or not.
On any eligibility thread where evidence is found or discussed that assumes or supports Stanley Ann as the mom, the Mal and Val FReepers are right there to divert the thread with claims that Stanley couldn't have been there or wasn't his mom or here is this bright shiny distracting picture of Malcolm X or Valerie Sarruf.
Can one of you fans of this Mal and Val theory just get your new thread going showing evidence backing your claims?
I thought the RAT party signed off on him...That’s why Nan had to delete the paragraph about qualifying from the certification.
Which I imagine it quite automaticially would have been, the Bomford birth was in 1959. What the Daily Pen needs to find out is WHEN the Bomford document was accessed. If that access was say late in 1963 or early 1964, then you can take it the document was used to produce a forgery for the divorce and custody. If access was sometime around the period of the Bomford kerfuffle, in 2009, then it would be safe to assume the document was accessed from the BOMFORD FAMILY WEBSITE.
You write as if there are TWO ITMES on the record in the archives, is that right? One for Bomford and one for an OBAMA? Can you explain that?
One would certainly be the original Bomford record, the second would be the for the child of the kenyan which he took to back to Kenya with him. You know who I mean.
see second last paragraph...he also says he hasn't been back to Kenya for SEVEN YEARS.
Correct. The claim is that there is a Bomford item from Australia and an Obama item from Kenya 1961 with similar formats which were fused into the forged Kenya document with the Australian Bomford filing numbers.
This is what the updated version of the article says (update as of 07/23/12):
“It is now supported by the evidence discovered in the BNA that the Bomford document image from Australia was accessed and used by pro-Obama operatives as a template to alter the image of the Kenyan CCRB image in order to make it appear that “birthers” had created a bad counterfeit of a Kenyan birth record for Obama. This was done by Obama’s forgers to create “shell game” confusion among the public and misdirect media attention from the truth that an original, unaltered Kenyan CCRB, which was never allowed to be publicly seen in its original form before Obama’s forgers were able to access and change it, was actually an image of a legitimate document posted by unknown individuals who were known by Obama to possess the document before hand.”
fred, you are a good researcher....Can you find a link between Glen Payne and Madelyn (BO’s grandmother)...He may be a nephew or great nephew. She was the youngest of three, but haven’t even been able to find the names of her siblings....many sites seem to have been scrubbed...Will explain why it needed when/if the pieces of the puzzle fits.
I will copy below a comment I made up the thread, but first I’ll ask you a question.
Do you think that Arpaio and Zullo proved that the birth certificate posted on the White House website is authentic or a forgery?
If you think it is a forgery (as they did prove beyond a shadow of a doubt to anyone who followed their points), then here is my other question to you and anyone else interested in the truth about the man in the WH:
Here is a question everyone should be thinking about.
Now that Arpaio and Zullo have PROVED WITHOUT THE SHADOW OF A DOUBT that anyone can go get a Hawaii birth certificate EVEN if they were NOT born in HI, and even years later, if Stanley Ann Dunham and the Kenyan Obama are the parents, OR if Stanley Ann Dunham and FMD are the parents, why did the forger/s have to make SO MANY CHANGES????? Even if he was born in Kenya to either set of parents?
The forger could have just gotten the regular HI birth certificate and made a few, one or NO changes. Since fake but real birth certificates are as easy as pie to obtain in Hawaii, there would be no need for a forgery, or at the most, one little change, if FMD is the father, as some people are speculating. If that was the case, then African would not be there, but Negro!
There is only ONE EXPLANATION for the multiple layers and other clear evidence of forgery - including the fact that the purported mothers name is partly ball point pen and partly fine tip marker pen, obviously forged.
The ONE EXPLANATION is that either nothing or very little on the BC is accurate.
IIRC butterdezillion’s research showed that the BC on file in HI was possibly a delayed registration. Up thread when we were looking at requirements to obtain a delayed registation of birth one was application signed by parents...
Notice the s on parents. Both parents.
As bluecat or another of the legal beagles pointed out upthread a relinquishing of parental rights or custody could be done with affidavits.He would NOT have had to travel to HI...
Here we have a reason for the 71 “family business” Christmas of Sr....Was there need of his testimony and signature to obtain the delayed registration of birth for BO?
Quotes from Time Magazine, April 2008:
Now that the OP has discussed an alternate theory on HIS thread, it’s apparently no longer a “hijack” to post an opinion other than those with which he agrees.
If any of the people who put this story together are reading this they will be laughing their heads off, the ruse worked, they blended two women to create the myth of SAD as mother, they knew that Frank Marshall Davis, through the machinations of his contacts working in Hawaii for THE PROTECTION OF THE FOREIGN BORN had successfully persuaded the kenyan student to trade the name of his child for a Harvard education, found a way to get the birth announcements in the papers, and assisted SAD to obtain custody of an unidentified child so she could take him to Indonesia...but something went terribly wrong in Indonesia, and he was sent back parentless and stateless, and probably with his false identification in tatters.
I remember that Opiyo means the oldest of twins and that Roman(ov?) Obama attended Patrice Lumumba “Friendship” University in the USSR, the communist school that William Patterson, mentor of Frank Marshall Davis, helped to found. (That’s a joke about Romanov Obama—his name is Roman.)
It is now supported by the evidence discovered in the BNA that the Bomford document image from Australia was accessed
Let me repeat the question. WHEN WAS THE DOCUMENT IN THE BRITISH ARCHIVES ACCESSED?
“David never existed, he never lived so he never died,”
It’s a Wonderful Life that never was.
I have no idea...it’s the sort of question you might better address to Brown Deer
And you know my stance, Madelyn wasn’t his grandmother, she was his guardian after the age of 10.
Fred said since he doesn’t believe Madalyn was Bo’s grandmother that you might be able to help...The post is upthread at 638
Can you help find a relationship between her and a Glen Payne that may be related and alive.
And when he arrived in Kenya with his father, his name was still BHO2, because silly old granny Sarah had a brain-fart when she said...EVEN THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES PASSED THROUGH MY HANDS.
She really thinks that ‘Roman’ who went to the Lumumba University in Moscow and was interviewed there in 1992, (the woman can’t read) WENT ON TO BECOME THE PRESIDENT!
LOOKING FOR DAVID:
...but what jumped out at me was the reference to just last week I was discussing the problem with the secretary of HUD at a White House dinner. Terrific guy, Jack. I presume thats a reference to Jack Kemp.
But Jack Kemp didnt become secretary of HUD until 1989, when George H. W. Bush took office. Obama spent most of Bushs term at Harvard Law School. (And at this point in DFMF, Obama hasnt even moved to Chicago yet, where he spent three years before going to Harvard.) I noted last summer that the reference didnt quite add up, even granting that Obama writes in the introduction, for the sake of compression, some of the characters that appear are composites of people Ive known, and some events appear out of precise chronology.
A bit of digging reveals that it is pretty tough to find when Obamas half-brother David Ndesandjo died; some sites put it at 1987. So in the span of several pages, we have an anedote from 1983 (when Obama tells the guard he is 22), his half-brothers death (at age 25-26?), and a reference to Kemp (which couldnt have happened before Obama was 28).
SO LET'S PLAY WHO CAN FIND DAVID, SHALL WE?
This claim of paternity/maternity for Barry may have first been put forward by Polarick (Ron Pollard) in this video morphing Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf into Barry’s image in a very creepy fashion:
Mal and Val - not Ann and the Old Man - YouTube
WHY NOT PROVIDE A LIVE LINK?
Uploaded by TheDrRJP on Aug 7, 2011
Meet The Parents....of alias Barack Obama. Black Sunni Muslim father and White Lebanese Christian mother. Born in the ME, raised in Indonesia, became BHO II in 1982.
DON’T YOU WANT FREEPERS TO SEE IT?
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