Skip to comments.OBAMA’S KENYAN BIRTH RECORDS DISCOVERED IN BRITISH NATIONAL ARCHIVES
Posted on 07/19/2012 5:28:21 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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Do you know why Prince Phillip visited the SCOTUS in May of 2011? Just hours after the big wedding..... Initially it was going to be a one day visit, then it was extended...Might be something else you request information about....
That would be 1971 if so. Obama Senior had a reason to be in Hawaii in 1971 to assist in some manner with the 'transfer' of his namesake son. After reviewing Indonesian laws his official paternal status would have allowed for the termination of Obama II's Indonesian citizenship and eliminated all citizenship issues with that country for the young Obama.
And if Obama senior was used a conduit to legally and cleanly transfer Obama II out of Indonesia that would have establish or re-established Kenyan citizenship.
The records all had to be touched and possible updated in 1971. Thus this may be a wormhole of records period.
we are thinking on the same line...He brings BC with him and it’s up dated...Still say the grandparent either together of singularly had to be appointed guardian. No medical, educational etc can be signed by a relative unless given legal authority. If SR gave up legal authority at the time he also would have needed to be present with the BC establishing his original legal authority. If born in HI that would have been established.
It matters not whether Sr was biological son, he was father of legal record.
2. Barry is listed as Lolo son on his school records in Indonesia
3. At age of ten he returns to HI by himself,
3b Sr comes from Africa for Family Business.
3c Grandparents take over rearing responsibilities.
3d Barry is removed from his mother's passport...(She no longer has custody???)
4. Barry is listed under the LoLo divorce as child.
So what are the dates of these incidences? We might be able to figure out what dates other legal documents were filed.
Logic dictates that any citizenship/guardianship issues had to be resolved by the end of this process.
The grandparents were not going to take on the responsibility without all of these items addressed.
And records people and judges can get very helpful for a child going to through the @#$@#$ like this must have been - a child getting dumped by his mother and returning to her foreign national husband in Indonesia and a (possible) father who lived half a world away and really had nothing to do with him.
So no conpiracy required here. Just a judge and/or records people trying to help a child in trouble.
Indonesia likely needed to see a Hawaii BC with both Obamas on it. That establish SR as the birth father and, according to Indonesian law, allow Obama II’s Indonesian citizenship to be legally terminated. Cutting all ties of citizenship with that troubled country.
So for at least a short period in December 1971 Obama II is 100% Kenyan in the eyes of Indonesia, Kenya and likely the US. The last since this was likely flowing threw embassies since all the parties were in Hawaii during this process. From that point Obama was either declared a refugee and legal guardianship given to the Catholic Services with custodianship going to the grandparents or guardianship was transferred directly to the grandparents. And when done SR was free to go back to Kenya and drink himself to death.
Now some will say Obama never ‘lost his US citizenship’ if he was born in Hawaii. This would be incorrect. If he were born in Hawaii he would not lose his RIGHT TO CLAIM US citizenship upon reaching majority. All 3 countries involved (Indonesia, Kenya and US) probably recognized him as 100% Indonesian between 1968 and 1971, then 100% Kenyan in 1971 and then....???????. His mother was an Indonesian Citizen according to Indonesia. So he WAS an Indonesian citizen. That is likely why he had to come off her passport in 1968. He received his own Indonesian passport and it was used traveling back and forth to the US. Remember the 1969 picture with Scott at Chritmas time. What passport did Obama travel on then? Likely Indonesian. There is NO proof or evidence of him being on a US passport in 1969. In fact, there is specific evidence that he WAS NOT on any any US passport in 1969 - the record showing the removal off his mothers US passport in 1968.
So the question is what passport did Obama II use between late 1968 and 1971 when entering the US? If you are a US citizen it better be a US passport. If Obama entered the US in 1969 during the trip with the photo of Scott with an Indonesian passport that would show he definitely was not a US citizen at the time. And thus he would have had to ‘naturalize’ to regain his US citizenship. And a ‘naturalized’ citizen is not a ‘natural born Citizen’.
Records from 1968 to 1972, especially passport and INS records would interesting and fill in a lot of gaps.
At times I think 1961 is honey pot to keep the bees away from the more telling period.
Yelp ‘61 is the magician’s hand waving in the air keepin us from observing the actual slight of hand., And every one
(freepers included) who points us in the direction of 61 is suspect. We only need the who’s that biological daddy and mommy information if we’re writing a book. Otherwise it’s just distraction. Have called a couple out on that. They got very defensive....too bad.
Family, friends, grandparents NO ONE can take on education and medical responsibility by themselves. It must be done legally though the courts system. If you even leave your child for a week or two you should leave a notorized letter transfering medical guardianship to their caretaker in case of emergency...On the long term, it must be done through the court.
Yelp....Citizenship goes back to the Hague. Any country that does not allow joint citizenship will be considered the sole country of citizen. Indonesia did not allow joint citizenship....Case closed. So if he was a citizen of Indonesia..He was a citizen of Indonesia NOT joint of Kenya, or US.
Have you seen Sven’s post that he naturalized in 83? Sven has said where but I’m certainly in no position to check it out and he won’t/can’t provide documentation.
This special occasion deserves a REALLY special popcorn.
Months ago, back before he had his own network, Glenn Beck did a show in which he pointed out that - prior to the Democratic nomination, when Hillary was doing well versus Obama, both of them attended a meeting with George Soros. After that meeting Hillary’s campaign stalled, Obama was nominated and here we are.
I know, some people have little respect for Glenn Beck but even a blind hog can root up an occasional acorn.
8/4/1964 BHO turns 3
3/15/1965 SAD marries Lolo Soetoro
6/7/1965 Lolo given 1 year extension to remain in US. Extended to June 20, 1966
7/19/1965 SAD issued renewed passport Passport number F777788
8/4/1965 BHO turns 4
10/15/1965 Anti-communist purges and massacres start in Indonesia. Last until early 1966.
11/30/1965 SADS signs affidavit on hardship. Indicating it would not be a hardship if Lolo departs. Indicates she is living with her parents.
3/15/1966 Anti-communist purges and massacres start in Indonesia mostly end.
3/15/1966 According to Indonesian law SAD is considered an Indonesian citizen. 1 year after marriage foreign wife becomes a citizen UNLESS her husband renounces his Indonesian citizenship. As of this date Indonesia should recognize SAD and BHO II as Indonesian citizens.
7/20/1966 Lolo S returns to Indonesia
8/4/1966 BHO turns 5
9/1/1966 BHO supposedly attends Noelani School in Hawaii during 66-67 school year
3/12/1967 Communist Indonesian leader Sukarno is stripped of power by parliament
3/12/1967 US-backed strong man Suharto is named acting president in Indonesia
6/5/1967 Letter to file indicates SAD will earn degree in Anthropology in August of 1967 and is looking for employment in Indonesia
6/29/1967 Passport F777788 amended to change the name to the married name Stanley Ann Soetoro
8/1/1967 Letter on Lolo S waiver application. “Nothing in the file to document the status of the spouses son .refernce to 101(b)(1)(B) and 212(a) ” INS is unsure of BHO’s status citizenship wise.
8/4/1967 BHO turns 6 - no longer eligible for easy international Indonesian adoption
8/6/1967 SAD earns BA in Athropology from U of Hawaii
9/14/1967 Letter to file indicating Obama is considered ‘Step-child’ of applicate (Lolo S)
10/6/1967 Letter describing situation the Lolo Soetoro and indicating SADS and child plan to move to Indonesia. Note refers to ‘Step child’. Confirms marriage as March 15, 1965.
10/15/1967 SAD (and BHO?) travels from Honolulu to Jakarta. Note date is not exact.
1/1/1968 Barry Soetoro is registered to attend Franciscan Assisi Primary School and is serial number 203 in class 1B.
3/15/1968 US-backed strong man Suharto is formally elected in Indonesia
8/13/1968 SADS makes early application to REMOVE BHO (Saebarkah) from her passport. She is in Jakarta. Indicates she is planning to stay in Indonesia indefinitely. ***
12/20/1969 Obama is at Noelani elementary school per photo from Scott Inoue.
8/15/1970 Maya Sorento born
12/1/1970 Madelyn Dunham is promoted to bank VP.
10/20/1971 SAD and BHO Jr. leave Indonesia. Supposedly Pan Am flight 812.
10/21/1971 SAD and BHO Jr arrive in Hawaii from Indonesia.
12/15/1971 BHO Senior visits Hawaii for a month.
1/14/1972 SAD returns to Indonesia
7/1/1972 SAD comes back to Hawaii with Maya after leaving Lolo. Date is not exact.
10/3/1972 Lolo Soetoro enters United States
2/28/1974 O’Shea note to Lolo S that he filed non-resident tax form inconsistent with being perm resident
3/11/1974 Lolo writes letter claiming he plans retain US permanent residency
5/1/1974 SADS note to O’Shea asking for consideration to correct 2/28/1974 note. Page 12
5/23/1974 Note filed that Call to SADS made to notify her husband to resubmit his re-entry form. Page 11
Many of dates above came from here:
Thank you SO much. Had had a time line before my computer problems....THis one has so much more details...of course people just kept right on researching while I took a computer vacation.
Now I stay away from threads that distract and have disinformation....can deal with obvious obots better then those who lead us astray.
thanks again....now to save somewhere.
I have never figured out Hague. So please fill in.
Certainly the marriage of Lolo and SAD was blatantly mis-reported in 2008 as being in in 1967 or 1968 - AFTER BHO was 6 years old. But that is not the case. They were married in March of 1965. When he was only 3.
I suspect the 1967/1968 dates were floated out to keep people off the Hague issue.
Here is Indonesia citizenship laws in effect.
See Article 7 for how/when SAD should have gained her Indonesian citizenship.
See Article 17.c. for why Obama senior paternal status comes in handy if the goal to cut all of BHO II’s ties with Indonesia. So if the BC was still blank before 1971. Someone in Hawaii probably ‘helped’ get it filled in. This would then be shown to Indonesian officials and bingo Obama II is released from Indonesian citizenship. But not as an American, but as a Kenyan. 100%.
Third or fourth paragraph here:
Interesting material here;
You are referring to Prince Philip (the Queen’s Consort), and not Prince William, correct? If the former, then I’m having trouble pulling up any information on a trip made by Philip to the US, especially in the last 2 years. I’m pulling up information about William and Kate’s first tour here in the US, but nothing on Prince Philip. Do you remember where you read about it, or any other info.?
third or fourth FROM the end.....sorry.
Just pinged you to a picture and information on another thread.
The bluebeeriver post should be framed and put on billboards.
There it is. That is the best summarized explanation of the period I have seen.
The known set of facts are:
a) Obama was removed his mothers US passport in August of 1968.
b) No individual US passport or other US passport has ever been presented showing that he held or was named on an other US passport after August of 1968 until he was an adult.
c) Document show is name to be Barry Soetoro and was the legal son of Lolo Soetoro and a citizen of Indonesia.
d) He could not have held ‘dual citizenship’ as the US and Indonesia did not allow that.
e) No evidence of legal immigration has been presented to reflect 1) loss of Inodensian citizenship 2) naturalization as a US citizen and 3) Legal name change from Barry Soetoro to Barack Obama.
The directly linked websites (Fight the Smears, etc.) have never used the words ‘natural born Citizen’. They use the words ‘native born’. It is not legally possible for a person to be both a natural born Citizen and a naturalized citizen. In mathematical set theory terminology these would be called non-intersecting sets. It is impossible to belong to both sets simultaneously.
The status of ‘natural born Citizen’ is not just ‘at birth’. It is ‘from birth’. The adjective ‘born’ means ‘from birth’. Given the Indonesian situation Obama has not been a citizen ‘from birth’ and would have had to naturalize to re-aquire US citizenship. Just a Berg states. Once you lose your citizenship you ARE no longer a ‘natural born Citizen’. You are then an alien. When you regain your citizenship THROUGH NATURALIZATION you are then a naturalized citizen. If you were born the US you may get away with claiming ‘native born’ status. Legally there is not differentiation so who really cares if ‘native’ is used vs. ‘naturalized’.
The reason Berg and the rest of can not find an proof of naturalization is simple. The non-intersecting sets of ‘natural born’ and ‘naturalized’ status would make it crystal clear that if Obama formally naturalized at some point - be it 1971 or 1983 or any other time this fact would automatically cause a constitutional crisis since it would be without a shred of doubt that he failed to meet Article II, Section 1 requirements.
It is not where he was born. It is that he had to NATURALIZE after his return in 1971.
Trump is missing the mark (maybe intentionally) with the call for college records. They may or may not have critical information (probably do). But it is the records from 1966 - 1972 that would provide insight into the issue of naturalization. Maybe Trump wants to walk the shells into the target. But the target should be INS records from 1966-1972 and possibly up through 1983.
Sven says the naturalization took place in 1983. If you put his name in user search he give more details. He has not produced materials to back up his statements which frustrates many here. Either he cannot or will not but if you have resources to check them out you may be able to follow through.
start at 162 to end of thread.
You may NOT want to share this with everyone....be selective.
OTOH some have disappeared from the threads since the British Archive material was posted.
My take on the powers that know, protecting the powers that be in the USA. I dont want to forget some who may be interested, so, I’ll copy the ping list....................
A summary of your posts to me is questioning why our allies; namely, the UK and their MI6 arent helping with 0b0z0’s birthplace thats on record in their archives, especially in the wake of Joe Arpiao’s confirmation of 0b0z0’s parading of a forged BC.
I hear you, loud and clear. To answer your question(s), here’s my take on “the hidden documented info” on 0b0z0.
Here are some thoughts and analysis:
I believe that the governments and the intelligence services of the UK, Israel, Kenya, China and Russia, KNOW THE TRUTH AND HAVE THE GOODS ON 0B0Z0!
1- The UK and Israel HATE 0b0z0, however, they can’t take the chance in creating a disastrous turmoil in the USA. 0b0z0’s communists/name du jour groups, including but not limited to Blacks, illegal aliens, union thugs, environmentalists, welfare recipients and moon bats of all species will be rioting and burning the country down. That would lead to CW II and Martial Law, resulting in suspension of freedoms including postponing the elections indefinitely.
A devastated USA is NOT in their or our other allies interest. NATO will also suffer and financial markets will crash leading to a world crisis.
2- Kenya loves him because theyre very proud of their “son,” the POTUS. It’s their ego and the avalanche of money that they’re getting under the table without Congress approval. IIRC, sometime ago, I read that in some threads on FR about those “payments” that are surely pocketed by the powers that be in Kenya.
3- China and Russia would prop up the weakest and dumbest POTUS ever and to top it, 0b0z0 is more communist than they are and IS methodically destroying their archenemy, YES I SAID ENEMY NOT COMPETITOR, JUST ASK OUR MILITARY!) They know that this superpower can’t be destroyed through competition and free economy and Capitalism can’t be destroyed by competition against the vastly inferior communist and socialist economies!
Why remove their MOLE who already destroyed the US allies and protected its enemies in the Middle East? Why remove the ONE who handed power to sworn US enemies, the Islamist species, with the Muslim Brotherhood wining the lions share and the big prize, EGYPT?
Why remove the back-stabber-in-chief who dissed and dumped our new Eastern European allies?
Why remove the reason for the debt that China is buying to enslave us? Why remove the reason for the coming mayhem that may give China a chance to take Taiwan with no opposition from an America that features the meekest cowardly POTUS who wouldnt dare do anything except apologize for the dead Chinese soldiers?
Its obvious that the only way to destroy the USA IS FROM THE INSIDE. (See the Communist Manifesto and check how it is closely followed and executed by Soross orders through Jarrett and the Wookie who are the strings that control the teleprompter-operated puppet called 0b0z0.)
Add to all of the above, the “American” cowards who both know and don’t want to investigate, or simply, DON’T WANT TO KNOW! Those are the Congress critters, Republicans and democrats (lets not forget the Klintoons in the 08 primaries) AND the judiciary; the courts headed by the SCOTUS, cowards ALL!
None of the above could have ever happened without the enabling and the protection by Public Enemy Number 1, the American media. The wrath of patriots should be directed at them and the media traitors should experience the same suffering as we will when TSHF!
Thats why I always called for uncovering 0b0z0s education records, which is a local American effort with no international intrigue and foreign shenanigans. Those records would finish 0b0z0s era in no time, if ever published.
Sorry for the longest post I’ve ever written!
No apologies necessary. Thanks.
You and bluecat are both on target
Good work on target. Thanks!
President Obama’s birth doctor, James Ang’awa, was neighbors with Barack Obama Senior in the 1960s
allafrica.com and Mary Ang’awa (Dr. James Ang’awa’s daughther) ^ | 03.05.2010 | InspectorSmith
Posted on Saturday, 6 March 2010 2:56:12 PM by InspectorSmith
Dr Ang’awa had worked in Embu, Kiambu, Kilifi, Mombasa, Kakamega and Bungoma and was one of the best known members of the medical profession in the country.
Her father was brutally killed when she was a teenager more than 40 years ago, but Lady Justice Mary Ang’awa has opted to forgive his killer. During her reflection at a recent meeting to plan the 40th anniversary of the death of her father, she had no qualms about offering a pardon. “I have forgiven you,” she says is the message she has for the killer of Dr James Ang’awa.
One of the pioneer medical specialists in the country, Dr Ang’awa was hit on the head with a blunt object on Tom Mboya Street by an unknown assailant.
One of your best posts, mel. Thank you.
blue cat, retracing steps here. Read the first fifty or so posts on the thread Fred linked to.....
Fred make sure you see the first link I sent to Blue and his comments above.
“Stay focused” must be out new motto. The birth record confirmed in the British Archives tells us we were on track at the beginning. Circle back around and keep our eye on the target. Who the biological parents were does NOT matter. THe parents of record is all that counts now.
That’s probably the best synopsis I’ve ever read on the subject.
The only thing missing is the domestic fear of black/OWS engineered riots.
Forget the biggest culprit...the PROPAGANDA MEDIA.
The only thing missing is the domestic fear of black/OWS/MEDIA engineered riots.
That does continue to matter to me, and probably a number of others. You cannot dictate the direction of interest or research, each one will follow their own methods and where the results lead them. Meanwhile, I see no reason why we cannot be of assistance to each other. I posted that link to the Dr Ang'awa article because you mentioned 'the doctor', but you didn't include what happened to him. His ultimate fate in 1970 is important, as is where he was living.
Forget the biggest culprit...the PROPAGANDA MEDIA.
NEVER, THEY WILL SUFFER LIKE US, NO DOUBT IN MY MIND!
A free country DOES NOT EXIST without free press!
The only thing missing is the domestic fear of black/OWS/MEDIA engineered riots.
You're right. I wrote about domestic violence in so many posts, I'm sure you read or two in the last couple of years. On my longest post, I didn't want to repeat it, and so...
A note below item #1 in my post got knocked out in editing. It said: (although the above scenario may very well happen to reelect 0b0z0 WITHOUT an election, with or without allied help!)
Thank you for the tip, SB.
To all who answered my post, thank you very much for your comments.
It wasn't a rant. You don't want to see me ranting!!! LOL!
Forget the biggest culprit...
The Dr's murder, although tragic is not relevant to our legal predicament and possible constitution crisis. Do you understand how important this is to us? It's not about their Kardashian style love interests, even though Rush calls him President Kardashian. Our country is at stake. Our way of life.
Yes I pointed out your informative information and pointed out another link that is also informative and relevant to getting BO and the communists out of office. If you want to continue your interest far be it from me to dictate them to you, just PLEASE do not spam threads where others are trying to discuss the target.....removing BO from office and saving OUR country.
You're being insensitive to our peril. Please understand. You are an excellent researcher. We need people with your skills to search. Yes we are still searching, some through Frmail as open thread have proven to be too open to the enemy. We now have professionals, Corsi, Sheriff Joe, Breitbart who can use legal methods to obtain information. Sometimes we send them tips. Before the lawyers often came to us, just to have the free manpower to search the web.
Remember our goal and don't become defensive if we continue to remind people what that goal is all about. We already know he's a liar and a fraud, that doesn't need to be proven. Truth needs to be proven. Our nation, our country MUST be preserved...Is it too much to ask of you to take you "interesting" topics to other threads?....
I agree with everything. And this part especially.
His real identity not only does matter, it matters very much. His entire fraud and facade and life of crime and stolen ID, and who enabled and helped and committed crimes to get him where he is - all of it needs to be exposed. All of it. NOTHING is unimportant. NOTHING should be off the table or swept under the rug.
It’s ALL important and relevant.
His stolen Id IS relevant. who is mama is is not. As a matter of legal record it is SADO. THe rest is gossip/hearsay objectable in a court of law.
THe expose’ of who is involved will only come out in a court of law. Anything not presentable there is just junk.
We have the good on NP because she took the eligibility pargraph out of the sworn statement. That is relevant. It is presentable. Whether his mama took nooooodies is not. She may be a lowest tramp that ever lived, doesn’t matter, If however she dropped his citizenship or provided him with an illegal SS number that IS relevant. Just stay on target...Keep asking yourself how the judge would rule if the information your seeking was presented before him.
Do you understand what I’m trying to point out?
When the SHTF, innocent, sleepy Americans will be hurt like most of us.
There is one difference; we know what’s happening and some of us got ready for it, however, others won’t know what hit them.
Then comes the media shellacking of the hurt “domestic terrorists” that are us, and rooting for the feral bastards by calling them victims!
Of course, our AG will be arresting us as fast and furious as he can for defending ourselves, families and property.
Leaving the media to report unmolested ain’t gonna cut it!
No, I don’t see what you’re saying. I’m saying that in a court of law, any crimes committed in order to get an ineligible person president would be important and relevant. If his ID is fake (which it is), then the next question is “who is he really”? His fake ID mom and pop are fake - not read - as his ID is fake - not real.
So any legal outcome would obviously be looking at trying to find out who he really is, since his “legal” docs are forgeries. It’s really simple.
Quite the little dictator aren’t you? Now it’s you who decides who can post comments and what is allowed to be posted. If you don’t like what I write, skip it. If only YOUR POV is acceptable on FR, I suggest you ask the owner to notify me.
Beautiful post. Could not agree more.
Thank you very much, Yaelle. I appreciate it.
Legally his mother is SADO his father is SR. Case closed. The rest would not be allowed as evidence in a court of law. I know the law. Have experiece with this specific issue. My Xs husband’s daughter is not biologically his...Doesn’t matter he was the parent of record. That’s the way the law is written.
Yes, they could have used an Alinsky rule...FOrce them to use the laws in place to achieve your goal. But we are still a nation of laws. If you don’t understand that...you’re in soap opera land. It just doesn’t happen the way except in the mysteries stories. If you don’t understand that I have nothing further to add. THink about it...Want to follow the law or not? There is no law against saying you are or aren’t someone’s parent/child. Had a friend in high school who only found out her dad was not when she applied for a marriage license....That ol legal thing again. He was her daddy, but not her father of record.
Ok, I’ve read this everal times. WHY did the Prince go to the scotus? I’m a little foggy on what that is all about.
I Certianly will...Jim I’ve asked all to stay on target and not go off on tangents. Did not mention Fred by name, but he and Little Jeremiah have become defensive.
Have pointed out that 0 mama’s noodies and who she was or wasn’t screwing is irrlevant in a court of law. She and Sr are the parents of record.
Since AB has discover the publisher’s pamphlet where BO claims he was “born in Kenya” and since they have now discover his birth records in the British Archive,(something freepers suspected years ago) we need to stay on task.
Our country, way of life and constitution are in peril. Frivilous gossip interupts the thread. No where have I suggested that either are the culprits, but I guess they’re trying the shoe on and it fits. In fact I pinged numerous people to the post. WE must stay on task and get the SOB out of office.
Fred suggested we let you decide.
You have conclusive, provenanced proof of that, have you?
Tell you what, I'm so disgusted, I'll gladly stay off any thread I see your name on. And should it turn out that I am banned because I have the gall to disagree with you, I'll take it as a compliment.
Don’t know either...the wedding was on the 29th. He appears on Monday on FOX news running up the steps of the SCOTUS. Shep reported he came for the day. The next day it was reported that he decided to stay. Asked on the other thread if anyone had a way of finding out what was before the court at that time. Why did the queen’s husband make a trip so soon after the wedding to the SCOTUS? Since it was posted that they found BO’s birth records in the British Archives was it relevent? Was there a BC case before the court at that time?
Maybe he met one of the justices at a party and was invited on a tour.
What would that mean?
Do you have a reference re: US not allowing dual citizenship?
I don't believe a minor (who holds US citizenship by birth) can be deprived of his citizenship by the actions of another country, and I don't believe that having citizenship granted by, say, Indonesia can, or ever could, deprive a US citizen minor of his US citizenship.
Whether or not the person who calls himself "Barack Obama" in fact held US citizenship at or from birth is a separate question, of course.
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