Skip to comments.OBAMA’S KENYAN BIRTH RECORDS DISCOVERED IN BRITISH NATIONAL ARCHIVES
Posted on 07/19/2012 5:28:21 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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In the first pic, the instructions say to put additions to the passport in no parentheses, while deletions are to have parentheses around them.
So in this case, Soebarkah is in parentheses therefore was being deleted, and Barack Hussein Obama -no parentheses- was being added.
What’s the results of a dig on “soebarkah”
here it is again...the creator of the video doesn’t appear to have morphed MX with the woman he indentifies as Val as you state...he’s showing the resemblance between zero and the woman he’s apparently under the impression is the mother of zero.
She’s an actress whose father was connected to The American University of Beirut, and a relative of the famous Seattle baby-sitter.
There aren’t any instructions in the 1st picture.
The second picture contains a declaration and a set of instructions. The instructions in the second picture instruct the applicant to strike out the name of anyone included on the original passport who has naturalized in a foreign state.
Any unbiased person can see Obama’s mother struck his name off her renewal application because he naturalized in a foreign state.
And finally, we have confirmation Obama, formerly known as “Barry”, the son of Lolo Soetoro, was identified in as Barry Soetoro, Indonesian National, in a Catholic school record.
Later, Obama was taken into Federal protective custody and placed in the U.S. Federal foster care system because he entered a U.S Port of Entry as an Unaccompanied Minor. Only minors with foreign nationality are placed in the U.S. Federal foster care system.
The evidence is clear and convincing to anyone with an open mind Obama became a foreign national when he moved to Indonesia. Some FReepers will never be convinced Obama was a foreign national living in the U.S. from 1971 to 1983.
Yes, based on Mara Zebest’s analysis, which has not been successfully rebutted, IMO.
LJ: “Now that Arpaio and Zullo have PROVED WITHOUT THE SHADOW OF A DOUBT that anyone can go get a Hawaii birth certificate EVEN if they were NOT born in HI, and even years later, if Stanley Ann Dunham and the Kenyan Obama are the parents, OR if Stanley Ann Dunham and FMD are the parents, why did the forger/s have to make SO MANY CHANGES?????”
The “Blaine BC” proved to be a hoax (stray signature strokes outside whited-out areas tied to a known different BC used as a template). But the Blaine BC shows what the true original might have looked like, IMO, sufficient to trigger the entries in the newspaper.
Only a few changes would need to be made to convert a registration of a Kenyan birth by grandparents with an Honolulu address for their HI resident daughter over to a registration of a Kapiolani Hospital birth. The mother and father are the same and the baby is the same, but only the birth location and witnesses are different along with notations that this was a foreign birth.
Thanks to FReeper Danae and her proving that an original 1961 BC could be obtained which the White House knew would be published in Corsi’s impending book on April 27, 2011, Barry's legal team knew they had to come up with a Danae-like, Nordyke-like BC image dated 1961. We have the forged end-product, but we don't know what they started with.
The simple answer is what Tim Adams said and what Neil Abercommie either could find, NOTHING. Everything else is just pure spin and speculation!!!
Which document? By whom? The Bomford forgers or those who believe they have exposed the Bomford forgers?
The paragraph starts with “It is now supported by the evidence discovered in the BNA...” It says evidence was discovered, NOT that a document in the BNA was accessed.
As you pointed out, the February 1964 date of the CCBR was particularly seductive for “birthers” because it matched the date when a BC might have been requested for the divorce at that time and could be imagined to be to the missing page 11 which is protected and would be withheld under HI privacy.
If a genuine Kenyan CCBR was created in Feb 1964 it was probably created by a clerk taking the bound volume of 1961 births off the shelf and typing the data into a standard UK CCBR form that looked a lot like the Australian version.
What the Daily Pen article researchers may have found (the “evidence discovered”) is an image of the original data contained in that Kenya Colony bound volume for 1961 births, and they may have found that almost all of the data matched the Bomford forgery (particular name of father's village, etc) except that the Australian series of registration numbers and other Australian-type Bomford CCBR registrar data were substituted in the fake CCBR image.
Hopefully there will be new updates with more information.
Please show us the source for this???
I don't buy that. It's my experience that if you have NO bona fide entry papers, you would be denied entry and deported. In 1961 the INS were very very strickt to let anyone illegals in!!!
So they know nothing, saw nothing and can tell us nothing.
And there’s another possibility. When information was being gathered BY THE BOMFORDS for the Bomford Family geneaology website, one of their relatives in the UK visited the archives and requested information.
Methinks the Daily Pen, although well-meaning, jumped the gun on this one.
Do you know HOW he was shipped to Hawaii???
What local time do you have???
I would like to see a situation in any country in the Western World, in which immigration officials deported a minor child - whose only identification was a passport with his name on it, and an elderly couple who claimed to be his grandparents and couldn’t prove they were.
Where would you send him, after his ‘mother’ had all of him or part of him removed from her passport?
He’s not a parcel sent by air, he’s a human being! They can’t just turn him around and send him back, TO WHOM AND TO WHERE?
I’m not sure I’m understanding your first statement... You said one of the purposes of sealing the records is to keep multiple identities. I was adopted (at 3 days old) in 1972, so I’m curious as to what you’re talking about re: SS#s and such. Perhaps I could come up with some info. if I knew what you were referring to in regards to numbers being distributed/obtained by Catholic Charities? I’m going to backtrack reading from the post I’m replying to, but thought I’d offer my help if I could provide any info. from personal experience, or research as I used to be an adoption-rights advocate/activist, but I admit it’s been a long time, and the last decade has seen many changes to the availability of records and such.
I did post it once before on this thread, but here it is again, THE BOMFORD FAMILY WEBSITE
This is the branch of the family to which David Jeffrey belongs, this is the page from which HE REMOVED HIS OWN BIRTH CERTIFICATE as the result of the kerfuffle in 2009.
The earliest identified Bomford from whom we can trace the living family is:
I0001 Thomas Bomford, b c1580, lived in Coughton, Warwickshire
He was a tenant farmer near Arrow, Warwick. He had two sons that we know of.
1a I0002 Thomas Bomford, of Arrow, b 1612, of whom below.
1b I0003 Laurence Bomford, b 1617, d 1720 at County Meath, Ireland, m 1650 I0006 Eleanor Chevenix, b 1633, d 1722. Laurence went to Ireland and started the Irish branch of the family.
Thomas and Laurence both fought for Oliver Cromwell at the battle of Worcester in 1651. Tradition has it that Oliver Cromwell called in at the farm house where the Bomfords lived on his way to Worcester on 22 August 1651, and there was entertained. The legend continues that he tethered his horse and sat under a yew tree, were he read his Bible. He went into the house were he is said to have written a letter. The farmhouse still survives to today as two dwellings.
This was particularly true when an older child who had been in foster care for a while was tracked though the system. (He wasn't sure how old a child was before this was used.)
One foster parent called the child Robert another Bob and the third Bobby or Rob...It helped keep track of the child and their funding. Dad who was attorney for welfare, when it was a county agency and before the state combined all counties under one statewide umbrella said that at one point some of the older children were given SS# to help track them....particularly if adoption was not likely or child was placed out of county. It seems that if this was done nationally or in numerous states BO would fall under this pattern. He was older and adoption wasn't likely....Madelyn was named guardian/foster parent. As such she received funds for his care from the state and that money would be tracked through the SS#. Dad has been away from it many years too. But he was remembering some of the changes that were being made WAAAAAY back then.
Are you following? can you confirm? Was it in place in other states? Are SS# used to track foster care funding today? Ir may be the reason he was assigned the number/per an out of state agency as Sven has suggested.
When looking through the web there were many people looking for their birth parents. Many mentioned being wards of both Catholic Services and Federal agencies as Sven had suggested.
an explanation as good or better than any other, and it seems the writer was correct, a relative with access to the genealogy website lifted the original image and used it as a prank. I do have access to the information WHO that relative in the US probably was, but I won’t publish it here, I have no wish to embarrass the family further. You may wish to pass this material on to The Daily Pen - or not, no matter to me.
Or was he being deported FROM Indonesia? Did they discover he wasn’t Lolo son and one of their laws had been broken by BS living in the home?
I believe it had more that just getting a BC.
Obama/Soetoro’s parents were Lolo and SAD. How does a MINOR child immigrate from one country to another if their parents do not?
Does anyone know the answer to that question?
What Indonesian law terminates a minors citizenship if they immigrate to another country - and their parents do not?!?
We do know if a birth father claims an adopted child Indonesia will terminate citizenship and this provides a legal path to immigrate from Indonesia to the country of the birth father.
If this scenario is correct then - yes - The Dunhams and Hawaii needed to get the birth records ‘fixed’. And that almost certainly happened. But that would be just the opening round. After Obama was established as the birth father then this status would have been used in Indonesia to cleanly and completely terminate Indonesia ties to young Obama/Soetoro.
1971 - what happened?
I doubt it, if she was his mother...all she would have had to was wave the divorce docs under their noses and show them his birth certificate...and if she was married to Lolo, he WOULD have been the stepfather.
You gotta stop trying to figure it out while you are in the straight-jacket of the myth.
Why do you think they had to fake the images on the couch? Why MAKE a family - if a family existed - why the NEED to create one?
Now keep in mind I am somewhat wary...last few times I answered questions I was attacked. Please try not to repeat that performance, I’m doing the best I can. Our opponents have unlimited resources...I don’t.
I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO TRY AND EXPLAIN WHAT'S WRONG WITH THESE IMAGES. I'M GOING TO HAND THEM OVER TO FREEPERS FOR COMMENT.
Nope. I see nothing about O that remotely resembles MX. FWIW I read faces all the time. It’s part of my job. The eyes a dead give away. People look out of their eyes differently. I watched a video of FMD and in it one could see manerisms and speech patterns that O has. They use their hands the same way also. Their hands look the same.
LET'S PLAY INSTANT BABY, SHALL WE?
With a right arm that long at that age, it’s no wonder little barry abstard boy plays basketball. And the ability to be in two places at the same time? Well, talent like that could land the slug an NBA contract don’tchaknow!
He did better than that, he got to be POTUS and no one really knows who he is.
[Sorry this post jumps around a bit - I’ve had to get up and sit back down to finish it several times... Trying to wrap up some housework, and then I’ll be able to do some research, and write more clearly as well...]
I think I’ve got ya, HM. I’m not as familiar with the foster care system. (I mostly worked on newborn adoption issues - and helping adoptees obtain their original records.)
I’d have to do some research to find out about the SS#s being used to track foster care expenses/disbursements, etc... It wouldn’t surprise me.
In my personal case I have been told by my adoption agency that my birthmother was working through the Dept. of Children and Family Services to place me, but a private adoption agency was brought in at the last minute. I’m still trying to figure out what happened in my case as my Adoptive Father was a DCFS case-worker in the same county as my Birthmother’s case. From what I’ve been told they have records of my adoption both through DCFS and through the private agency. I suppose until my adoption was finalized I was technically a ward of the state of IL. That would indicate to me that once a child is a ward of the state, no matter what agency is involved in the adoption or foster placement itself the child remains a ward of the state until an adoption is finalized, or they reach the age of majority.
My AFather worked for the brand-new IL DCFS through the transition your father was talking about - from county to state run. He then got a job working for SS when I was 2 years old, and worked there for about 15 years. Unfortunately, he was an abusive jerk who never wanted me to know I was even adopted, and after finding out refused to even tell me the name of the agency. When I turned 18 I called a plethora of agencies until I found the right one - it was then I found out that my AFather had even committed fraud (according to the director, who was a case worker when I was born) on the applications and such that were required by the agency. Which probably explains why he was so loathe to give me ANY information at all about my birthparents, the agency, or anything else.
Sorry to go off on a tangent. I just wanted to give you a bit of background on my situation. I have to do some stuff here for a bit, but I’ll try to do some research and see if I can’t come up with some kind of an answer. It would make sense that the SS# is used because of the dependency status that would most likely change were a child to live with a foster family, even temporarily if aid were distributed.
If Indonesia reliquished citizenship to birth father, then the pass port he used would not be Indonesian....It technically should be issued from Kenya or GB....OR a US passport...IMO that’s a not!
Agree getting a delayed BC was just one issue that was solved.....road trip!
IMO it’s not a matter of being convinced it’s a matter of having the documentation to convince a court of law or congress. One can believe anything but without the bluedress it’s nothing more than gossip.....yes?
You could post an image of a chimpanzee and call it Frank Marshall Davis and there would still be lots of #$&&^ who would write in and tell you the chimp looks like zero.
I posted a list of facial features and structures that clearly show FMD and Zero do not resemble each other at all.
(Other than both have one nose, two eyes, one mouth, one chin and so on.)
No one has tried to prove me wrong. Just emotion driven opinions which bore me greatly.
I know...it’s a little treasure trove, that article, and not half as difficult to follow as one might think at first glance; not when you know who they are talking about.
Its full of goody’s-(everywhere)- obama sr worked for a oil company in hawaii?
The kenyan used to write home to his father ONYANGO, who was the only one in the clan who could read. Onyango would read the letters to the members of the clan and that’s why Aunt Zeituni also remembered him writing home to tell his father he had a son in Hawaii...when ANNA had her baby. Naturally Zeituni believes that son was zero. Just like ‘granny’ Sarah thinks that the boy whose name was BHO2 when he arrived in Kenya AND PASSED THROUGH HER HANDS is now the President of the United States of America.
There’s a tribal custom that when a new child enters the family, the clan all gather around AND PASS THAT CHILD FROM HAND TO HAND.
ANNA TOOT? Remember now, that name was HEARD - it’s phonetic. I think it might explain why this chapter appears in ‘Dreams’
this is how they introduced the names ANN/ANNA/TOOT into the narrative:
Well, this particular time they arrived in one piece, and they got out and stood at the railing to admire the view. And Barack, he was puffing away on this pipe that Id given him for his birthday, pointing out all the sights with the stem, like a sea captain- Your father was really proud of this pipe, my mother interrupts again. Hed smoke it all night while he studied, and sometimes-
Look, Ann, do you want to tell the story or are you going to let me finish? Sorry, Dad. Go ahead. Anyway, this poor fella-he was another African student, wasnt he? Fresh off the boat. This poor kid mustve been impressed with the way Barack was holding forth with this pipe, cause he asked if he could give it a try. Your dad thought about it for a minute, and finally agreed, and as soon as the fella took his first puff, he started coughing up a fit. Coughed so hard that the pipe slipped out of his hand and dropped over the railing, a hundred feet down the face of the cliff. Gramps stops to take another nip from his flask before continuing. Well, now, your dad was gracious enough to wait until his friend stopped coughing before he told him to climb over the railing and bring the pipe back. The man took one peek down this ninety-degree incline and told Barack that hed buy him a replacement- Quite sensibly, Toot says from the kitchen. (We call my grandmother Tutu, Toot for short; it means grandparent in Hawaiian, for she decided on the day I was born that she was still too young to be called Granny.) Gramps scowls but decides to ignore her.
-but Barack was adamant about getting his pipe back, because it was a gift and couldnt be replaced. So the fella took another look, and shook his head again, and thats when your dad picked him clear off the ground and started dangling him over the railing! Gramps lets out a hoot and gives his knee a jovial slap. As he laughs, I imagine myself looking up at my father, dark against the brilliant sun, the transgressors arms flailing about as hes held aloft. A fearsome vision of justice. He wasnt really holding him over the railing, Dad, my mother says, looking to me with concern, but Gramps takes another sip of whiskey and plows forward. At this point, other people were starting to stare, and your mother was begging Barack to stop. I guess Baracks friend was just holding his breath and saying his prayers. Anyway, after a couple of minutes, your dad set the man back down on his feet, patted him on the back, and suggested, calm as you please, that they all go find themselves a beer. And dont you know, thats how your dad acted for the rest of the tour-like nothing happened. Of course, your mother was still pretty upset when they got home. In fact, she was barely talking to your dad. Barack wasnt helping matters any, either, cause when your mother tried to tell us what had happened he just shook his head and started to laugh.
Relax, Anna, he said to her-your dad had this deep baritone, see, and this British accent. My grandfather tucks his chin into his neck at this point, to capture the full effect. Relax, Anna, he said. I only wanted to teach the chap a lesson about the proper care of other peoples property! ———————
Killed three birds with one stone. That covered for the listing of ANN OBAMA at the birth announcement address, and covered for ANNA OBAMA. But there’s more: it also covered for the story the family in Kenya told - that the kenyan had gone to the US, and married a woman named ANNA TOOT.
Everyone should go through all the trends on the link at 684— some awesome thoughts to read in there also.. and to refresh everyones memory.
probally stanley armour dunham was photoshopped in all the pics?????? what you think fred?
YOU HAVE MAIL
NO, if you follow who it seems his guardians were after 1970/71, he did live with the Dunhams.
a white woman, named Anna Toot.
LMAO—your gonna think i crazy but “anna toot” may be a real name of a woman— the african article explains it that way and not a nickname —lol
holy moly— awesome find— another peace of the puzzle— mabe the final one—lol
look at the date though- hmmmm
i noticed theres a bunch of anna toots’ in south africa— i have no idea if she could be one of those—
Fred - I’ve missed a lot of the history concerning the photos in your post 671. What was the source of these photos, and what narrative were they originally being used to tell? Its obvious the baby from the clear picture was superimposed on SA and BO, but why? With all the other deliberate misinformation out there is this another diversion?
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