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OBAMA’S KENYAN BIRTH RECORDS DISCOVERED IN BRITISH NATIONAL ARCHIVES
The Daily Pen ^ | July 18, 2012 | Dan Crosby

Posted on 07/19/2012 5:28:21 PM PDT by Seizethecarp

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To: Fred Nerks

OK FRED— I sent someone uptown for a debit card, and i’ll update what i find and post if it is interesting.. Unless someone else beats me to it. Give me a hour or so..


751 posted on 07/26/2012 4:12:53 PM PDT by chicken head
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To: Seizethecarp

One day it will cross your mind that the extra boy living with the kenyan and Ruth in Nairobi was the same boy they are photographed with, in which photo she’s holding her son Mark who was born in 1965.

And they account for him by telling the locals that was MALIK.

Slowly - baby steps.


752 posted on 07/26/2012 4:19:53 PM PDT by Fred Nerks
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To: Fred Nerks

How many leather bags do you know of that have knuckles??


753 posted on 07/26/2012 4:22:50 PM PDT by LivingNet
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To: Greenperson

The motorbike accident is an obvious contrivance to remove an extra child from the inventory. Ruth looked after the little dark boy, he may have spent some time in the village also, Malik seems to indicate in one interview that he ‘grew up with Barack’ in the village. That dark boy born in 1961 or late 1960, would have been quite close in age to Malik, but he can’t admit that, can he?
And is Ruth going to tell you? She can’t.
Mark dedicates his book to ‘David’ - in an attempt to REMOVE the dark boy from the record.
He grew up. He was given a scholarship by Jaramoghi Oginga Odinga to attend the Lumumba University in Moscow where he was from the early eighties until 1992 when he was interviewed and identified as a student from Equatorial Guinea.
And when the PI did a simple credit search for zero, his country of origin and a birthdate popped up with the name of Barack Hussein Obama.

WHAT WAS IT THAT LINKED THESE TWO?

Was it the name or the birthdate? The strange thing is; all of this information is readily available on the web. It’s there for anyone to find. Why is it seen as so difficult to believe?


754 posted on 07/26/2012 4:37:32 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks

I take it her minder is in the photo above.

Looks a cunning survivalist to me.

755 posted on 07/26/2012 4:38:45 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: LivingNet

Smart-alec. I saw an enlargement that showed what appeared to be folds in the material the bag was made of. How many people do you know who would hold onto a child with a fist?


756 posted on 07/26/2012 4:43:39 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: little jeremiah
Of course she's a survivor. She's done more for the people of that village than anyone before her. And she's done it by denying the eldest son of Onyango, with whom the kenyan attended school at Maseno, his rightful position in the clan and eyes of the world.

He's not too happy about this photo opportunity either. You can see the hate on his face.

She visited Gaddafi in Lybia just before NATO destroyed that country from the air. And after what they did to Gaddafi, we will never know what she told him, will we?

757 posted on 07/26/2012 4:52:54 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: LivingNet; Fred Nerks

The position of Obama’s arm does not support that he’s holding anything. If he were holding something in that there, it would fall to the floor when he removes his hand from his waist. If he was holding something there his hand would likely be in front of him palm up, fist close.

I see knuckles and possible black watch on that so called brown bag (and yes, I wear my watch on my right hand).


758 posted on 07/26/2012 5:06:09 PM PDT by tsowellfan (http://www.twitter.com/cafenetamerica)
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To: little jeremiah

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujUmmGKYpPo

watch how they refer to the kenyan student as ‘her oldest son’ - she wasn’t his mother. And the oldest son of Onyango is the man with the cap, carrying the whisk, both are symbols of his position in the Clan. He is the older brother with whom the kenyan went to school at Maseno. One needs to understand why none of the children of Kezia were able to inherit.
THEY CANNOT INHERIT WHILE THE ELDEST SON OF ONYANGO IS STILL LIVING.
All they, or Mark could lay claim to are the PERSONAL possessions of Barak Hussein Obama, if they could prove he was their father.


759 posted on 07/26/2012 5:09:38 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: tsowellfan

What-ever...and the murderer wore pink underpants...to which report his lawyer said, and so what? You are fascinated by a dark object that’s almost impossible to identify, and yet a baby that appears out of no-where up thread doesn’t interest you in the slighest? I suppose it all depends on what you are looking for...


760 posted on 07/26/2012 5:14:22 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: tsowellfan

You see...the silly part is this...if that ever was a black person’s hand, and if that black person was Frank Marshall Davis, and if they had left him in the photograph, then what would that PROVE? We already know that the father of SAD knew FMD, so if he were to have appeared in the photograph, what mysterious secret would that reveal?
Nothing.
So to have him removed and only leave his hand there is..well, stupid.
At the least, I expect a photoshopped image to serve a purpose, no matter how clumsy.
All this discussion serves is to revert the discussion back to Frank Marshall Davis.


762 posted on 07/26/2012 5:29:33 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks
yet a baby that appears out of no-where up thread doesn’t interest you in the slighest?

Of course it does! Great work! I suppose it all depends on what you are looking for...

Not looking for anything. But I am wondering if Obama's wanting people to find this stuff. Just wondering. That was my point for pointing out the photo in his Facebook page.

I would LOVE to see you provide the proof that it's just a brown bag. Not a challenge to you but a challenge to my question "why would Obama be putting out stuff like his BC that can easily be proven to be forged?". I know you are a intelligent person by your interesting and VERY informative comments and threads so I do trust your judgement. Problem is, if what you say is correct about the bag - I'm not the only one who thinks it's a fist but people on World Net Daily or doubters on Twitter would not just take my word that it's a brown bag. I need to be able to provide the proof such as a jpg.

763 posted on 07/26/2012 5:33:17 PM PDT by tsowellfan (http://www.twitter.com/cafenetamerica)
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To: tsowellfan

Appreciate your comments, but IMO it’s really not worth the effort, like someone wrote upthread, ‘the murderer wore pink underpants’ ... if you were to make it clear that it was either a brown leather bag or a fist belonging to a black person, what’s next? Are they going to ask you, does the fist belong to a man or a woman?
It’s like a vortex. All it does is suck you in. And gets you nowhere.
The very least you could expect from a fake image is that it indicates they were trying to achieve something by creating the fake.
This one says nothing. There are other images of SAD with her daughter taken in Hawaii around the same time.


764 posted on 07/26/2012 5:42:44 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks
All this discussion serves is to revert the discussion back to Frank Marshall Davis.

For me that's a major jump. I would need more than a comparison of knuckles to conclude Frank Marshall Davis is Obama's father or that he was originally in the photo with Obama at the airport.

Just wondering why this stuff Obama's releasing is so easily debunked. That's all.

I enjoy all of your work!

765 posted on 07/26/2012 5:43:37 PM PDT by tsowellfan (http://www.twitter.com/cafenetamerica)
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To: Fred Nerks

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766 posted on 07/26/2012 5:56:59 PM PDT by chicken head
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To: chicken head; Seizethecarp; Fred Nerks

carp, if you’re still looking for a hijack, here’s your chance.


767 posted on 07/26/2012 6:03:33 PM PDT by Jedidah
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To: Jedidah

Blogger admits Hawaii birth certificate forgery, subverting Obama claims (Uh-oh)
Israel Insider ^ | 3 July 2008 | Reuven Koret

Posted on Friday, 4 July 2008 9:35:19 AM by SE Mom

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NOW THERE’S AN EXAMPLE OF A THREAD THAT WAS HIJACKED, IT WENT TO ALMOST NINE THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED COMMENTS AND WE DISCUSSED EVERYTHING UNDER THE SUN THAT WAS IN ANY WAY CONNECTED TO THE CURRENT AFFAIRS, INCLUDING THE COST OF AIR TRAVEL, THE RENOVATIONS AT THE HONOLULU AIRPORT, THE HISTORY OF KENYA, POLITICS IN KENYA, CUSTOMS OF THE NATIVES AND THEIR DRESS...AND NOT ONCE DID ANYONE ACCUSE ANYONE OF HIJACKING.

the next long thread was:

Is this really it? (re: possible Obama’s Kenyan B.C. - Attny Taitz) Click on the link
orlytaitzesq.com ^ | 8/2/2009 | rxsid

Posted on Sunday, 2 August 2009 6:35:53 PM by rxsid

OVER TEN THOUSAND COMMENTS.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2306351/posts?page=1

THOSE WERE THE DAYS BEFORE THE THREAD-POLICE!


768 posted on 07/26/2012 6:21:27 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: little jeremiah
I take it her minder is in the photo above.

Look at those eyes. Fish eyes.

769 posted on 07/26/2012 6:30:37 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: Fred Nerks

I know. I was there on both threads (and others), lurking and learning and absorbing, but rarely posting. And it was not only informative but great fun, a true exchange of ideas and theories, from which facts have grown and fallacies have been debunked.

We know so much more now, but that’s where it started, wading through the weeds.

There is yet more hiding in those weeds, and more wading and more searching to be done. Don’t get discouraged.

Waiting for a patriot inside the National Archives (or Occidental or Columbia, for that matter). . .


770 posted on 07/26/2012 6:33:26 PM PDT by Jedidah
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To: chicken head

” If anyone else out there wants to give it a shot go for it !!!!”.. - 1. anna obama death certificate 1970
2. anna dunham death certificate 1970
3. anna toots death certificate 1970

links futher back - maybe they will accept you


771 posted on 07/26/2012 6:35:53 PM PDT by chicken head
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To: Jedidah
I remember it all so well as if it was yesterday, and if we needed to find something we could not remember who posted it, we went back through the threads - some freepers went through the first one THREE TIMES. I also lurked a lot, it was a long time before I got the courage up to make a contribution. I do remember your name, and Chief Engineer whom we were often cross with because he didn't always post sources, he is R.I.P now. One day, I might scroll through them once again, lots of old FRiends there. Maybe all newbies to the subject should be made to earn their stripes by reading some of those hundreds of pages...

long live FreeRepublic, with the accent on the Free!

772 posted on 07/26/2012 6:42:39 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: chicken head; Brown Deer

BROWN DEER DID YOU SEE?

To: chicken head
” If anyone else out there wants to give it a shot go for it !!!!”.. - 1. anna obama death certificate 1970
2. anna dunham death certificate 1970
3. anna toots death certificate 1970

links futher back - maybe they will accept you

771 posted on Friday, 27 July 2012 11:35:53 AM by chicken head


773 posted on 07/26/2012 6:44:43 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks; little jeremiah; David; Brown Deer; LucyT; melancholy; hoosiermama; Fractal Trader; ...
“One day it will cross your mind that the extra boy living with the kenyan and Ruth in Nairobi was the same boy they are photographed with, in which photo she’s holding her son Mark who was born in 1965.

“And they account for him by telling the locals that was MALIK.”

Or, alternatively, one day it will occur to you that the Mal-Val narrative and the necessary extensions rationalized to exclude Stanley Ann from being the mom, are 100% Conspiracy Theory (CT) with no supporting verifiable evidence!

Let me get this right. It is your contention that:

1. In the family photo with BHO Sr. and Ruth Baker the “dark boy” is a person now known as Roman Obama, and the “light boy” is Mark Obama, and Roman was passed off by Senior and Ruth as Malik Obama. You, yourself, along with most FReepers who have commented have previously estimated the age of the boys to be age 2-3 for the light boy and 4-5 for the dark boy with a two year difference, IIRC

2. In the two studio photos of one light and one dark boy identified by Mark as being himself and David, you contend that the dark boy is again Roman Obama except that now the light boy is the person currently in the White House, NOT Mark, but actually the son of Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf. IIRC most FReepers see these as being the same boys in both the family photo and the studio shoot of the two boys and see all of the photos as taken very nearly at the same time.

As I said, only CT can support your casting and narrative, but even CT can't make your time-line work, IMO, because it would require time-travel!

You have variously estimated the birth year of the “real BHO II,” Roman Obama, as being from 1959 to 1961, IIRC depending on whether you are rationalizing Roman as being babysat in Seattle in January 1961 by Mary Toutonghi. Up-thread, I think you said 1961 was the birth year and that is what Roman Obama of Ghana uses.

Roman was brought to Seattle, according to you, by an alternate Anna S. Obama who was an unknown wife of BHO Sr. a.k.a Anna Toot of the Kenyan family account in 2004. You frequently post the party picture with BHO Sr. sitting next to Asian woman labeled Anna or Ann and insinuate that she is BHO Sr's wife and the mother of "black as ink" Roman and also that she is a Filipina...the wife noted by the 1964 INS officer in the FOIA files (for which there is no corroboration). The Ann/Anna at the party with BHO Sr. was recently suggested to be a Japanese American citizen by a classmate from Cambodia, IIRC.

Per your most recent speculation Roman was brought back to Kenya from the USA by BHO Sr. and Ruth in August 1964 where Roman subsequently appears in the picture with young Mark.

This is where the time-lines break down. Ruth says Mark was born Nov 28, 1965 and provides a lot of verifiable detail to Maraniss surrounding that event. If Mark is age 2-3 in the family photo, then the year of the photo would be 1967-68. Therefore your version of “Roman” would be age 6-7 if born in 1961, or way older than the “dark boy” appears to be in any of the photos.

Using the Ruth Baker narrative, the family picture was taken c. 1970 when Mark, the darker, older boy, would have been 4-5 and the younger David would have been 2-3. Ruth's narrative and the pictures match.

Turning to the studio picture of the two boys in which they seem a bit older, than in the family photo, am I correct in stating that you believe that picture that you say is the current BHO II (Barry) and the former BHO II (Roman) was taken somewhere in the US before the big baby-switch? That would be before Senior and Ruth took newly renamed Roman to Kenya and newly named Barry Obama was taken to HI and placed in the care of babysitter Stanley Ann who showed up with him in the zoo at age 3 in 1964?

If you do claim all of the abouve, IMO your picture identifications don't work because the boy you claim is “Roman,” born in 1961 appears to be very nearly the same age in both the family and the studio pictures. You appear to claim these pictures were taken 3-4 years apart (Roman with Barry in 1964 vs. Roman with Mark, Senior and Ruth in 1967-68 passed off as Malik). "Roman" cannot be age 4-5 in both 1964 and also in 1967-68!

In summary IMO, your narrative is pure conspiracy speculation divorced from a coherent time-line. Ruth's narrative for her boys, Mark and David, is rational and verifiable as told to Maraniss.

774 posted on 07/26/2012 6:47:34 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: chicken head; Brown Deer

OK...I’ve alerted a Freeper who understands genealogy, don’t post any more on it until he gets back to us. You are posting comments to yourself now, ease up.


775 posted on 07/26/2012 6:47:50 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: tsowellfan

The 0bomba people created all kinds of junk photoshopped photos because they didn’t realize that so many people would not believe Dreams but would look much deeper. And once those shopped photos were “out there”, they couldn’t make better ones. Second, they’re so arrogant they think everyone else is stupid. Third, they’re nasty little insects who like giving the world the middle finger salute.

But I think the main reason they are so poorly manufactured is because they are so arrogant and thought we are so stupid, that they didn’t need really good ones. Plus, they didn’t have much to work with, since his entire freaking life is a lie (the life presented to the public).

As for what you said:

“But I am wondering if Obama’s wanting people to find this stuff. Just wondering. That was my point for pointing out the photo in his Facebook page.”

Nah, that’s too artificially clever. Keep in mind, these fiends have other things they’re working on, like destroying the country and as much of the world as they can, and now they’re on the run; Arpaio has them by the short hairs and they realize that many people are not just lying down and taking it! So they’re busy, very busy...

And the best thing of all:

THEY DON’T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT PEOPLE HAVE FOUND OUT!!! So they can’t play defense that well.

HA HA HA HA!!!!


776 posted on 07/26/2012 6:50:37 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Fred Nerks

You know, it might not be a bad idea to read through those old threads again. There may be clues there that would make sense now, avenues not fully explored. It never hurts to look again with new eyes.

I don’t believe that they succeeded in scrubbing everything. There are records somewhere waiting to be found.


777 posted on 07/26/2012 6:51:33 PM PDT by Jedidah
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To: Fred Nerks

Hmm, maybe a compendium of links of some of the long research threads might be a good idea, to get people who have not perhaps paid so much attention until now, up to speed.


778 posted on 07/26/2012 6:52:59 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

The two long threads, the African Colonial thread and the Auntie thread, RaceBannon’s sighting, more, in no particular order:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2450158/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2405994/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2040486/posts?q=1&;page=8401

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2489872/posts?q=1&;page=1#1

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2457491/posts?page=1

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2392618/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2397370/posts?page=30

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2423856/posts?page=1

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2306351/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2093742/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2317622/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2390560/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2392187/posts?page=94#94

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2400624/posts?page=18#18

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2633542/posts?q=1&;page=51

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2631130/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2307402/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2479793/posts?page=1

http://wtpotus.wordpress.com/2010/02/21/obamas-lying-blue-lips/

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2680854/posts?page=106#106

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2278969/posts?page=1

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2512143/posts?q=1&;page=1

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2702976/posts?page=1

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2838105/posts?q=1&;page=801

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2512143/posts?q=1&;page=451


779 posted on 07/26/2012 7:08:34 PM PDT by Jedidah
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To: Jedidah

Thank you, I will make a document of them to keep them handy.


780 posted on 07/26/2012 7:12:36 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Seizethecarp
Your very garbled detailed narrative reminds me of an image of a nest of garter snakes I once saw. I can do you a much simpler version with photographs, hopefully that will untwist your knotted nickers a little:

The above image came from the website of Mark Ndesandjo on which he dedicated a book he wrote to the memory of 'David' and for this he supplied the above image, identifying the two boys as being 'David' and himself. It was immediately evident that 'David' bore a twinlike resemblance to zero, and the boy identified as Mark appeared to be only a few months older, aside from being so much darker, that one wondered how these two boys could ever have had the same parents...

The next thing that popped up was the image of the family group, and here we are told that the child Ruth is holding is 'David' and Mark is the boy standing.

Meanwhile, the image of zero as a toddler shows up, the one with the hammer:

And one of our group writes to me with the comment, 'will you look at that, those two little boys, the one on the left they are trying to tell us is David, is the spitting image of zero where he's shown in the yard with the hammer' - and I reply, yes I know...I found another one that must have been taken on the same day:

So the next thing we did was collect his little boy images and made a composite, and we included the (tinted) one from the 'two little boys' image, the one that sends you into a tail-spin each time I show it to you:

Meanwhile also, Mark releases, on a video, images of his mother with himself as a baby, and this is the same chinless wonder of a child she's holding in the photograph of the family group in Kenya, in which she's wearing some sort of dressing gown and looks decidedly worse for wear...

That the child she's holding grew up to be Mark shouldn't be so surprising, she apparently arrived in Kenya late in 1964, gave birth to Mark maybe nine months later (?) and now in that family group the dark boy appears to be around four, but don't hold me to it. I SAID LOOKS LIKE.

Now here's an honest image of Mark. I think you can see his father in him.

And the dark boy, he grew up, too:

Like I said, BABY STEPS. If you get this far, the rest will take care of itself.

781 posted on 07/26/2012 7:35:43 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks

Still looking for shipping routes with no much luck.
Came over this instead which we already know!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-HqHSkYG-Y&feature=player_embedded


782 posted on 07/26/2012 7:51:49 PM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: danamco

I think what we already know is that he wasn’t born in Hawaii and his parents weren’t the kenyan and Stanley Ann Dunham. As for Lolo, I plan to show you that we DON’T KNOW who he was either.
And if that video was banned, what’s it doing still up there?


783 posted on 07/26/2012 7:58:22 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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784 posted on 07/26/2012 8:10:21 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: danamco
He had a passport in his own name by the look of it, how can we be sure he arrived in Hawaii FROM Indonesia? We can't. He obviously arrived alone from where-ever he came from.

But wait a moment...could this be when LIA came to Hawaii? She apparently said she spent three months there on a holiday. But we can't ask her, she died suddenly.

I wonder...if she returned to Indonesia on her own? Apparently Madelyn gave her a monkey doll. She still had it when she was photographed before she died of high cholesterol

lia obamas adopted sister died suddenly

785 posted on 07/26/2012 8:24:07 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks; LucyT; Brown Deer; melancholy; hoosiermama; Fractal Trader; little jeremiah
“Think about it, she's been caring for the child of ANNA since the boy was almost four years of age and now comes Auma with zero and they tell her that he is the son of the white woman he married in the US.”

Pure Conspiracy Theory unsupported by a single document or witness.

You now claim that Ruth was caring for Roman (son of Senior Asian-American wife) since 1964, so let me share with FReepers what Ruth told Maraniss she was doing in late 1964 and 1965 prior to the birth of Mark in Barack Obama: The Story:

begin quote

from pages 201-202:

After struggling with a job at the Nation
newspaper, she found more suitable employment at Nestle in the industrial area of Nairobi, working as personal secretary to the chief executive officer. With her boss's help, she was able to buy a new Peugeot 204 and learned how to drive on the left side of the road. After work she often joined her husband at the Starlight Club, a hangout in Integrity Center that had become the whirling vortex of Nairobi's fun-loving nightlife. “Oh, it was a rocking place. We had a great time,” she said later. “with all the prostitutes, and everyone else too. Including [Tom] Mboya. Everybody went there. Very many prostitutes, all over the place. But they had great music. They had Congolese music. everybody was jumping and rocking. beautiful. What a great time, for people who like to drink and dance. I got tired at three in the morning, but Barack would be able to stay until four or five and then we'd go home.

from page 207:

Adede was killed on the spot. Obama made it home with only minor injuries.
It turned out that Ruth was pregnant by then, a condition that she had not expected or wanted. She felt increasingly fearful of her husband and thought about having an abortion, but was not able to follow through on a decision. “I was very unhappy...I was very lonely. And I was on my own. I had nobody. I was crying lots of nights...and I didn't want a baby. I didn't know anything about babies...I wasn't one of those people who thought about that, and then it happened. In fact I was one of those who thought I would never have a baby.” Mark was born late that fall, on November 28. His Luo name was Okoth, which means “born when it is raining.”
The baby transformed Ruth; his presence mande her feel euphoric. Whatever else was happening in her world, she had him.

end quote

Regarding any babysitting of an alleged son of BHO Sr. named Roman in Kenya, as you can see in her very personal account above shared with Maraniss (on tape, I believe) Ruth was a wild party animal in late 1964 and early 1965 working all day and drinking and dancing all night surrounded by politicians and prostitutes with no sign of "Roman" Obama or any other child or baby being in her care until the birth of her own cherished Mark on November 28, 1965.

Many of these details can be verified and corroborated and they been, while the mystery birth and travel of "Roman" Obama, the alleged "original" BHO II from Hawaii to Seattle to Kenya is totally unverified, undocumented and unobserved in any way. Two photo events in which he appears to be the same age, but were taken three years apart "doesn't pass the smell test" as we CPAs say.

786 posted on 07/26/2012 8:48:23 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Fred Nerks

My head is spinning, like Kenny Bunk told me, better to get off this thread before my head explodes.

Lia visit Madelyn in Hawaii, hmmm, who paid for that?

Indonesia is quite a poor country, when you can get Indonesian crew members to work on U.S. cruise ships for what we would call minimum pay. As I understand from these crew members that minimum pay goes a long way in Indonesia.

It could not have be inexpensive to cross the Pacific at that time.


787 posted on 07/26/2012 9:07:35 PM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: Fred Nerks

My head is spinning, like Kenny Bunk told me, better to get off this thread before my head explodes.

Lia visit Madelyn in Hawaii, hmmm, who paid for that?

Indonesia is quite a poor country, when you can get Indonesian crew members to work on U.S. cruise ships for what we would call minimum pay. As I understand from these crew members that minimum pay goes a long way in Indonesia.

It could not have be inexpensive to cross the Pacific at that time. It was long before the tourist industry start pressing travel prices down.


788 posted on 07/26/2012 9:09:16 PM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: Seizethecarp
I can see that I am not discussing anything with you, I might as well be having a conversation with Bill Ayers, or Sally Jacobs, or any one of the other authors who tell varying tales about the adventures of the people around zero, and now it's Manariss I am 'talking' to. You're a joke. You can't trust yourself to have an opinion, you need to be told what to think. But what's really sad is that you miss all the interesting bits, like Ruth saying how the house was always full of relatives and children, and Malik saying how he grew up with Barack Hussein Obama...there must be a mountain of books you can quote from by now. Pity is, most of them contradict each other. Don't forget Malcolm Marable, he's got a good one out, he says he researched it for 10 years. That's because he was in charge of the Malcolm X archive at Columbia, I guess. The daughters of MX are furious with him, for wrIting that both their mother and father had affairs.

Live happy in your straight-jacket world, where no light nor truth shines in, and both are contained only on the pages of the books you read. It's got to be one of the pitfalls of your profession, IF IT'S NOT ON PAPER, IT DOESN'T EXIST. You are far far too easy to fool/impress...but I'm telling you now, I plan to continue, there's more to the story others deserve to see, whether it suits your CPA fossilized brain or not. That poor woman has been through h+ll, she wants to keep her life and her school, she loves the children from what I can gather, she will tell the story in whatever way will keep her safe.

789 posted on 07/26/2012 9:24:47 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: danamco

There’s just so much out there that isn’t known. The story about Lia is an example.


790 posted on 07/26/2012 9:27:24 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: F15Eagle

This may work even if you do not have Twitter. Here’s a live streaming of top conservative Tweets and Hannity’s Let Not Your Heart Be Troubled tweets.

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791 posted on 07/26/2012 9:32:40 PM PDT by tsowellfan (http://www.twitter.com/cafenetamerica)
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To: Seizethecarp

And on second, third or fourth thoughts, I am really beginning to wonder, what possible motive could you have to be so determined to prevent me from trying to show in words and pictures, the results of the researches and comments made by a number of freepers over a period of almost two years...why is it, that every time I post something that our group has found of interest, there you are, with your pitchfork, like some kind of grim reaper? You’ve been at it from the moment I started and haven’t allowed a single comment of mine to stand without an instant attack. Is someone paying you?


792 posted on 07/26/2012 9:36:16 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks
That poor woman has been through h+ll, she wants to keep her life and her school, she loves the children from what I can gather, she will tell the story in whatever way will keep her safe.

That's exactly what I was thinking. The idea that she would tell the truth to Maraniss or whatever his name is! She wants to live! Or Mark - changing the photo of the misnamed boys, then pulling it - he wants to live, too.

793 posted on 07/26/2012 10:07:12 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Greenperson

“Kezia, if she continued with her pregnancy, would have given birth in 1961, after he married Ann, if he did marry her. The biographer mentions the pregnancy but not its eventual resolution. Would Kezia’s child be considered Sr.’s child, because he was her husband of record?”

That would be true in the US. Yet, this was a hearsay account 50 years after the fact and, IIRC, the elder gentleman seems to have wanted to put the best spin on the Stanley Ann marriage for the sake of the reputation of his friend who we know was a beast.

There is no evidence yet of such a child, but this possibility is a reason why the original records in the BNA need to be revealed.


794 posted on 07/26/2012 10:10:38 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: little jeremiah
Are we forgetting who is Prime Minister of Kenya? Raila Odinga, whose father, Jaramoghi Oginga Odinga sent one son to the Lumumba University in Moscow and Raila to a communist school in East Germany. Jaramoghi Oginga Odinga, the father of the current Prime Minster was known in Kenya as THE NEMESIS OF MBOYA. The same Oginga Odinga who visited Malcom X in Atlanta in 1960. Ruth, according to our resident bookworm, told the author that Tom Mboya was, a number of times by the sound of it, at the venue where there were so many prostitutes. Really?

Mboya married Pamela Mboya in 1962 (herself a daughter of the politician Walter Odede). They had five children, including daughters Maureen Odero, a high court judge in Mombasa, and Susan Mboya, a Coca-Cola executive who continues the education airlift program initiated by Tom Mboya...

I'm truly shocked and surprised that she would refer to Tom Mboya in that context, considering it was her own husband who was the last person to see Tom alive on the day that he was killed outside a pharmacy in Nairobi, and after being required to surrender his passport, had to testify at the subsequent trial.

She's also obviously not aware, or the author isn't, that the kenyan student who arrived in Hawaii in August 1959 was in no way connected to the student airlift which landed at Idlewild fully one month later, and was met by Cora Weiss and Malcolm X. Ruth may or may not have made that comment, (I doubt it) and the author would have served himself better to have left that out.

Now one wonders at the motive. The myth of a friendship between these two men must be seen to be continued?

LINK

LINK

795 posted on 07/26/2012 11:37:37 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: little jeremiah
Haven't been able to find the article, but this is cute:

With your mention of the Boston Globe article, I noticed that it mentions the divorce of Sr and Ruth the previous year of 1973. According to all reports Sr and Ruth were married for a total of 7 years(which would put the year of their marriage at 1966) and yet from all I have been able to find out Mark Obama Nidesand was born in 1964 and David was born in 1969. Another part of the Boston Globe article which doesn’t ring true is that Sr’s two oldest children, Roy and Auma, lived with Sr and Ruth. This doesn’t fly in the face of Kezia’s claims that she didn’t know about Ruth until after the two ran into each other at the hospital after one of Sr’s many car accidents. It is definitely one extremely tangled web!

89 posted on Sunday, 1 March 2009 9:35:27 AM by Chief Engineer

No courtesy ping, Chief is R.I.P but we remember him.

796 posted on 07/26/2012 11:55:50 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks; LucyT; hoosiermama; Fractal Trader; Brown Deer; melancholy
“The above image came from the website of Mark Ndesandjo on which he dedicated a book he wrote to the memory of ‘David’ and for this he supplied the above image, identifying the two boys as being ‘David’ and himself. It was immediately evident that ‘David’ bore a twinlike resemblance to zero, and the boy identified as Mark appeared to be only a few months older, aside from being so much darker, that one wondered how these two boys could ever have had the same parents...”

IMO your comment betrays an awareness on your part that your time-line for your alternate cast of characters for these photos is not possible, just as I have suggested.

How so?

After I posted my previous comment I realized a problem even more glaring then the ones I pointed out and which you have yet to explain, i.e. how the “dark boy” (supposedly Roman) can look the same in 1964 with Barry as he does in 1967-68 with Mark, the dates that you need for the photos to fit your narrative as best as I can determine.

IIRC, the most recent birth year you mention for Roman, “the original BHO II,” is 1961, and that is what I see on the web, specifically Jan 8, 1961. The problem is, if Barry and Roman were both born in 1961, they would be only seven month apart in age!

I had planned to come back on the thread and point out what is obvious to any parent which is that these two boys are approximately two YEARS apart in age, so it can't possibly be Barry and Roman in the studio photo because they were both born in 1961!

But you had already replied and what do I find in your reply? Suddenly you opine that “the boy identified as Mark appeared to be only a few months older.” A few MONTHS older, as in SEVEN months.

I believe you came to the same realization that I did and decided to try to preemptively adjust the perception of the photo that you yourself claim to be Barry and Roman to try and save your narrative by claiming they look a few months apart in age.

It does not wash. Any parent can see they are several years apart which is in fact true because that is the age difference between Mark and David and that is a picture of them.

The jig is up Fred Nerks! That picture cannot be Barry and Roman.

From a forensic standpoint the appearance of a child, especially a small child, simply cannot be relied on for identification of a parent. But, if anything, your insistence that David looks so much like Barry only argues for a higher probability that they have the same father and that Barry's father is NOT Frank Marshall Davis or Malcolm X.

Thanks for your excellent work on the photos. It is invaluable.

797 posted on 07/27/2012 12:07:57 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp
...I think you said 1961 was the birth year and that is what Roman Obama of Ghana uses.

That needs to be straightened out. What I refer to is the Background Report the PI received as the result of entering the name into Search:

AND THE ABOVE IS WHAT CAME OUT. I CONTINUE TO ASK:

What was it that linked the man with the address in Greenwood Avenue, with someone from EQUATORIAL GUINEA?

I also make the observation that the birthdate on the document, shown as 8/01/61 may not be August 1, 1961.

If that date found its way into the file on a visitor from Equatorial Guinea, then the date would be JANUARY 8, 1961.


798 posted on 07/27/2012 12:18:01 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: hoosiermama
Russian ancestors....mmm mmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Please tell me you are not serious. What a load of cranberries. You are actually taking into consideration the foaming nonsense of some delusional dingbat in Topeka Kansas who claims that Dunham is related to the Romanovs? As in ... the Tsar of Russia whose entire family was assassinated in 1918? Honey, that is so far off the deep end that you're back to shallow again.

No wonder the MSM is laughing their butts off.... At least with the Malcolm X stuff there is somewhat of a doppelgänger resemblance.

799 posted on 07/27/2012 12:24:46 AM PDT by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
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To: Seizethecarp
... The problem is, if Barry and Roman were both born in 1961, they would be only seven month apart in age!

You need go no further. That is right. Look at the two little boys photograph again, and ask yourself, what was it that Mary the babysitter said, before she was forced by WND at second interview to correct herself?

She said - she babysat for ANNA when her own daughter, who was born in July, 1959, was 18 months of age. She later said, when it became obvious that in January 1961, SAD would still have been in High School somewhere...that the child she babysat was SEVEN MONTHS OF AGE. And when that seven months was added to the fiction of a birthdate for zero, the dates of the baby-sitting were once more adjusted to 'early 1962'

And truly, the remainder just doesn't make any sense. You wrote:

After I posted my previous comment I realized a problem even more glaring then the ones I pointed out and which you have yet to explain, i.e. how the “dark boy” (supposedly Roman) can look the same in 1964 with Barry as he does in 1967-68 with Mark, the dates that you need for the photos to fit your narrative as best as I can determine.

You are going to have to show me the photograph in which 'the dark boy looks the same in 1964 with Barry as he does in 1967-68 with Mark...

Because the dark boy in the two little boys photograph, if that's what you mean, is around two+ and in the Kenya family group he's four going on five.

So don't tell me, show me.

800 posted on 07/27/2012 12:40:01 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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