Skip to comments.No Concealed Carry Allowed in Aurora, Co? (Scene of Shooting)
Posted on 07/20/2012 11:02:14 AM PDT by Errant
Asking yourself why no concealed carry permit holder was present to stop the shooter? Maybe this is why:
1. "Dangerous weapon" includes firearm
2. Revocation of license for furnishing a firearm to a minor or someone under the influence.
3. Window displays cannot include firearms with barrels less than 12 inches long.
4. Unlawful to carry concealed "dangerous weapon"
5. Unlawful to discharge firearms, unless by law enforcement on duty or on shooting range.
6. Unlawful to possess firearm while under the influence of intoxicant
7. Unlawful to have loaded firearm in motor vehicle.
8. Unlawful for a juvenile to possess a firearm.
From your link:
In 2003, the state legislature and the governor deemed that the power to address gun violence in Colorado through laws SHALL NOT be in the domain of the affected communities,
rather it should rest only in the hands of the state. By this legislation (SB03-25),
all of the ordinances on this list have been declared unenforceable.
What you quoted was simply Aurora claiming no concealed carry without a permit, however, State law provides for concealed carry, even in Denver, State parks, etc.
Colorado has one of the best concealed carry laws around in that outside of schools we can carry in bars, parks, cars, etc., and anywhere private property owners do not state no guns allowed. This theater, it appears, does not allow concealed carry.
Also, this is a major mall for gang activity. They have been fighting it for 20 years. They just spent millions refurbishing it and trying to get rid of the gangs.
Obviously, whoever is responsible for these laws, both wanted it to happen and planned for it to happen!
Would a CCW have helped? I dont know. What I do know that It would have been better than a bunch of unarmed targets running around while this Douchebag riddles them with bullets.
A old saying” One man taking one well placed shot can change history” comes to mind.
When A moron becomes unhinged, there isnt a thing anyone can do if his mind is set on killing. But maybe one armed citizen could have saved one life.
Prayers to the families of those killed and wounded. the pain they must be feeling is beyond imagination.
The question we should be asking is...
Where ccw allowed in the theater? Or did they have one of those NO GUNS ALLOWED signs on the door?
Cuz we all know. Criminals check their guns when they see those signs /s
USA morphs into Israel before our very eyes.
Errant, state law overrules this municipal statute. Licensed carriers may carry concealed in CO. If the theater has a sign posted saying No Firearms, then it is not legal to carry in the theater.
I have a six letter word. Actually it’s five letters and a punctuation mark. Luby’s
Cinemark theaters do NOT allow firearms, even legal ones, on their premises.
“USA morphs into Israel before our very eyes.”
? I’ve been to Israel one time, but everyone there seemed to be armed.
No more bacon?
Good thing they had those laws. Now this guy can be charged with violating all of those. Plus killing 12 people. (sarc)
Luby’s was a scary event. One good thing that came from it was it helped strat the concealed carry campaign.
I carry even when they post not to. The only thing they can do if they find out is ask me to leave and I would. However, I also would never go to any place this dangerous. This area of Aurora is a sh*thole to say the least. It gives me the creeps just to go there. I have several places there I have to go but I can’t wait to get out. It was my old stomping ground 25 years ago but even then it wasn’t my favorite place. It is a middle income kind of place overall but it also has all kinds of problems. The outer areas of Aurora are nice neighborhoods as they are new and upscale, however, the interior looks normal but has a very high crime rate.
Permits and legislation are a lot like restraining orders. They’re pieces of paper. Women with restraining orders are killed all the time since pieces of paper don’t protect anybody.
All the gun permits in the nation are utterly useless since we already have laws against murder. Pieces of paper don’t stop crazies, or hired assassins from acquiring guns or other dangerous weapons.
Willingness to obey laws of any kind are in the mind. Pieces of paper aren’t going to change that.
Where in the world did this guy even get teargas? Is it that easy to make from the kitchen cupboard?
If guns and other weapons ceased to exist, there will always be somebody willing to invent and create a weapon out of something.
Yes, prosecute the man/woman who did the deed but you don’t take down the nation when one violates freedom.
i suspect more ccw folks will start to carry in these areas anyway, just very discreetly. doesn’t help to have it in the glove box at a time like this.
unfortunately in our current leagl system, judged by 12 may be worse than carried by 6.
Cinemark should be sued.
You have to blame the movie theater on this one. They are the ones who turned their audience into a defenseless shooting zone.
When not considered concealed ...
“Colorado allows a person to carry a firearm in a vehicle, loaded or unloaded, if its use is for lawful protection of such person or another’s person or property. [C.R.S. 18-12-105(2)] Colorado law also allows a person to possess a handgun in a dwelling, place of business, or automobile.”
That worked so well didn't it.
If there was such a sign and it can be shown that someone/ anyone was injured or killed because a ccw permit holder was deprived of his/her legal constitutional RKBA, a major lawsuit needs to be waged against the theater. We need people to know that they can be held liable if people are hurt as a result of questionable policies on their premises.
Not true. From Handgunlaw.us:
Do No Gun Signs Have the Force of Law?
No Firearm signs in Colorado have no force of law unless they are posted on property that is specifically mentioned in State Law as being off limits to those with a Permit/License to Carry. If you are in a place not specifically mentioned in the law that is posted and they ask you to leave, you must leave. If you refuse to leave then you are breaking the law and can be charged. Even if the property is not posted and you are asked to leave you must leave. Always be aware of the possibility that responding Police Officers who may have been called without your knowledge and may not know the laws on trespass etc. could arrest you even if you are within the law.
It is legal to carry concealed in a public business that has a "No Firearms" sign, but if you are asked to leave, you must leave or you are trespassing.
In that crowded environment, it’s unlikely a CCW carrier would have had a clear shot without endangering a by-stander—people running around, getting in the way, blocking a shot at the last moment. In that situation, all a CCW carrier can to do to protect themselves and theirs. The rest of the attendees would have to make-do as best they could.
If a CCW did make a shot...and miss or have a pass-through into a by-stander, the libs and gun-grabbers would have been all over the CCW carrier like sharks in a feeding frenzy.
Yes, that's what I thought.
If you are in a place not specifically mentioned in the law that is posted and they ask you to leave, you must leave. If you refuse to leave then you are breaking the law and can be charged.
They could ask you to leave if you broke their chewing gum ban.
Under this Aurora scenario, I highly doubt that the theater owner would attempt to sue the concealed carry person who interdicted the murderer by preventing other loss of life and injury because he did not heed their wishes.
I agree. The room was dark, with tear gas adding to the confusion. The only way a CHL person could get a shot off would have been to shoot in the area of the flashes of light from the perp’s guns.
Note from the link that the city of Denver is contesting the State Law and judgment is pending? Aurora seems to be also unfriendly to concealed carry permit holders. Combine that with a theater chain that may prohibit concealed carry and you have a situation in which most CCW permit holders would simply leave their weapon at home on movie night, or in their car, or fear taking action due to legal consequences, unless the shooter was actually pointing his weapon at them or a family member.
Violence is increasing; the need for self-protection and to protect those around us, more important. Luckily, in the state where I live, municipalities are all pretty much pro CCW. Otherwise, knowing that most CCW holders follow the letter of the law and then some, they would not carry where not welcomed.
Thank you and all for contributing,
If the theater company has a no guns rule the victims should sue them for creating a killing zone. Banning guns in a place of public accommodation is creating a hazard just as much as chaining a fire exit closed is. With a sharp trial lawyer the victims can own the theater chain. The awards should run into the hundreds of millions of dollars.
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