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Full Spectrum Operations in the Homeland: A “Vision” of the Future (CW2 Ping)
Western Rifle Shooters ^ | July 25, 2012 | COL Kevin Benson, USA (ret)

Posted on 08/05/2012 7:30:25 AM PDT by Travis McGee

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"Small Wars Journel" won't allow even a direct link on Free Republic, but this is all over the web. Go to the WRS link or Google "Full Spectrum Operations in the Homeland: A “Vision” of the Future by Kevin Benson and Jennifer Weber" to read the entire article.

Colonel Benson is on the staff at Fort Leavenworth's war college. This is real-deal FedGov "wargaming" about possible CW2 scenarios on U.S. soil. Once again, these FedGov trolls are putting "white racist tea party terrorists" into their gun sights for their "Homeland" wargame scenarios. Pretty amazing stuff. I encourage you to go to the original link, read it all, and also read the comments following.

1 posted on 08/05/2012 7:30:37 AM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Travis McGee
Sorry, only scanned -- but if your premise is that DHS becomes a domestic police force, you should be aware that it already has. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2914792/posts?page=16#16.
2 posted on 08/05/2012 7:39:50 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Woe to them...)
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To: Travis McGee

i’ll go back and look at comments.

Will read article. Thx for posting it.


3 posted on 08/05/2012 7:40:58 AM PDT by sauropod (You can elect your very own tyranny - Mark Levin)
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To: Eaker; Absolutely Nobama; afnamvet; AK2KX; Ancesthntr; An Old Man; APatientMan; ApesForEvolution; ..

CW2 Ping

"Small Wars Journel" is a federal establishment "thinktank" journel, and those snots won't allow a direct link on Free Republic. Really, you need to go to the orignial article and read it all. Google "Full Spectrum Operations in the Homeland: A Vision of the Future" by Kevin Benson and Jennifer Weber to find it.

Colonel Benson, USA (ret) is on the staff at the war college at Ft Leavenworth. This is not Prison Planet kookery. This is the real deal.

Out of all possible civil disorder scenarios COL Benson could have envisioned, he chose evil white racist "tea party terrorists" taking over a Southern city.

Naturally, the Glorious Fatherland 5th Army (NORTHCOM) must be sent to South Carolina to crush the rebellion. I kid you not. You have got to read this, even though I can't post the direct link here.

4 posted on 08/05/2012 7:43:49 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

Just some opinions....

1. Most of SC would secede, not just Darlington, and it would be doubtful if the state as a whole did not.

2. The authors of the article are assuming there would be no insurrections in support of that one, elsewhere.

3. If the movement in the article grew at the rate they claimed, the regulars might well find themselves besieged in their bases by organized forces while they were discussing legal statuses and the like.

4. The authors assumed all units remaining loyal, and apparently overlooked the possibility that some might not and in doing so, overlooked the effects of that too.

5. The authors also assumed no foreign powers or entities would involve themselves. There are probably a number of outside groups or nations that would find the dissolution of the US to their advantage and would aid the rebels out of pragmatism, should it be cheap or easy.


5 posted on 08/05/2012 8:00:45 AM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: Travis McGee

Sorry. Pure undiluted BS. The Pentagon routinely runs off the wall as well as geopolitically germane games to be prepared for any contingency. Never to be caught flat footed. If true, this is surely one that will be recorded and shelved. The Military at large would decline to participate in anything like this and would likely intervene on the side of the Constitution. Or at least the Posse Comitatus Act. DHS however, is a different matter. Fortunately they still don’t have the footprint it would require to pull this off. And they certainly would not want to participate in the citizen-level blowback from an action like this. Just my $.02.


6 posted on 08/05/2012 8:02:47 AM PDT by Afterguard
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To: Travis McGee

Not surprising. As of this Summer’s USSCT ruling the Un-tied States is expressly a totalitarian State. At least they are on record now.


7 posted on 08/05/2012 8:03:01 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans. Don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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To: Afterguard

“And they certainly would not want to participate in the citizen-level blowback from an action like this”

‘Honey, you lock the door while I am out suppressing the white trash. I’ll be back soon. Don’t open the door if its not me, and don’t let Junior play outside. Really. Luv ya, gotta go kill some rebel scum. Bye.’


8 posted on 08/05/2012 8:07:22 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans. Don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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To: Afterguard

COL Benson is not a blogger, and SWJ is not a blog. This is a peer-reviewed essay in an esablishment war-college think tank journel. It passed editorial muster.

The choice of “racist tea party rebels” as the villains in the scenario was not random.

If you believe that it was randomly chosen, then I have a bridge in Brooklyn I can sell you very cheap, but only today. Since you are such a smart fellow, you will appreciate a true deal.


9 posted on 08/05/2012 8:08:08 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

Those bitter clingers always cause the trouble. Especially the ones in the South. LOL!!


10 posted on 08/05/2012 8:08:52 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Travis McGee

Ann Barnhardt also has a write-up on this, last night.

http://www.barnhardt.biz/

She’s got a link to the cited article.


11 posted on 08/05/2012 8:11:20 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Travis McGee

The article is so full of lies, distortions, and assumptions never having been fact, as to be laughable. However, it does go to show there are some in the federal government and the military that believe in liberal dominance and lead their lives through fear and ignorance of conservative patriotic American values. These people are completely ignorant of our nation’s founding principles and believe if .fed wants it then .fed gets it and we had better like it because no matter what it is legal.

These are the pinheads we prepare to fight off when they attack.

The article was written as a full court press of liberal propaganda, but these people will be the ones making decisions to attack and the article gives insight as to why they think they must.


12 posted on 08/05/2012 8:12:19 AM PDT by CodeToad (History says our end is near.)
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To: Travis McGee

Still BS. But thanks for the offer.


13 posted on 08/05/2012 8:15:53 AM PDT by Afterguard
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To: Travis McGee

“... takes over the government of Darlington, South Carolina, occupying City Hall, disbanding the city council, and placing the mayor under house arrest. Activists remove the chief of police and either disarm local police and county sheriff departments or discourage them from interfering...”
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IF it ever gets that bad, I figure the rebellion will be county-by-county.
The urban areas will be lawless “no-mans-land”.

“Support Your Local Sheriff”


14 posted on 08/05/2012 8:17:51 AM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Travis McGee
Col Benson should have his head examined or become a pundit on MSNBC. Bogus "Tea Party Militia" theories like these always have overtones of racism, anti-immigrant, and the KKK.

Try as they might, they fall flat because to date the Tea Party's record has been:

0 confrontations with Law Enforcement
0 arrests for violence
0 arrests for property damage
0 arrests for anything

Compare that to OWS, a weekend in Chicago, or racially motivated flash mobs for lootings or beatings. Mordor-on-the-Potomac simply fears We the People, our resurrected knowledge of our founding principles, and that over 10 million firearms have been sold each year since Soetoro's election.

15 posted on 08/05/2012 8:20:35 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Travis McGee

“Once again, these FedGov trolls are putting “white racist tea party terrorists” into their gun sights for their “Homeland” wargame scenarios. Pretty amazing stuff”

AMazing indeed, when you consider there has never been a crime committed or any one ever harmed by a ‘tea party’ terrorist! BUT Americans are murdered every day by illegal aliens while the gates are thrown open for more of them.

No one is this stupid, this invasion is by design.


16 posted on 08/05/2012 8:21:18 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: Travis McGee
I just finished reading this:

Get your boat ready!

17 posted on 08/05/2012 8:24:22 AM PDT by Errant
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To: Travis McGee
UP!!!

i wonder where this guy's loyalties really are? did HE lay out the scenario blaming the TP or was it laid out for him???

18 posted on 08/05/2012 8:33:24 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Travis McGee
This is an interesting scenario. Having worked CT and counterinsurgency for the U.S. government for more than a long weekend, here's my key takeaways on this. BLUF, the Colonel has imagined himself a 'perfect storm' for the DHS to sail to glory upon, without realizing that his ship is full of holes.

By 2016, the economy shows signs of reawakening, but the middle and lower-middle classes have yet to experience much in the way of job growth or pay raises. Unemployment continues to hover perilously close to double digits, small businesses cannot meet bankers’ terms to borrow money, and taxes on the middle class remain relatively high. A high-profile and vocal minority has directed the public’s fear and frustration at nonwhites and immigrants.

Here’s the very, very first mistake. The author unintentional sets up a real bad guy for the insurgency, and creates a false one that ignores their actual motivations. The root cause of the ‘insurrection’ is the economic profligacy of the government. While for the sake of lazy writing the author then adds on a spurious charge of racism (because that sells better) in reality, this amounts to the first mistake in intelligence collection, which is to not understand the motives of your opponent. This renders any predictive analysis compromised, and leads to a damaged course of action assessment. For instance:

The mayor of Darlington calls the governor and his congressman. He cannot act to counter the efforts of the local tea party because he is confined to his home and under guard. The governor, who ran on a platform that professed sympathy with tea party goals, is reluctant to confront the militia directly. He refuses to call out the National Guard. He has the State Police monitor the roadblocks and checkpoints on the interstate and state roads but does not order the authorities to take further action. In public the governor calls for calm and proposes talks with the local tea party to resolve issues. Privately, he sends word through aides asking the federal government to act to restore order. Due to his previous stance and the appearance of being “pro” tea party goals the governor has little political room to maneuver.

So, what the author is admitting here is that the movement isn’t an isolated, fringe event, but in fact has so much popular support that even the state government, local police and military is largely behind it. That is not a fact to gloss over. That's trying to save a burning house while surrounded by an forest fire. The author hopes to thread the 'good Taliban/bad Taliban' needle, but that invariably is a self-delusion that bites us in the ass.

1. How much support does the movement have in other states? If the federal government has run the nation so deep into the ground that it makes armed revolution attractive, it stands to reason that these sentiments are not confined to South Carolina, and exist in large percentages elsewhere.

2. How much media support does it have?
a. Is the insurgency media-savvy? It’s nice to hope they’re mindless brutes, but do they have any charismatic leaders, websites, arguments, videos? It seems they start out quoting the Declaration of Independence.
b. What if they avoid overt racist themes and stick to very Constitutional arguments?

3. How much will media coverage make them popular? Even if the spin is negative, public opinion may be just as hostile to the national media as it apparently has become to the national government.
a. Will mass coverage of a pro-Constitutional uprising backfire and make them more popular?

4. How much support does the movement have within the government? Even at 5%, you’re looking at having people within the national security architecture who have access to some level of TS/SCI information. At levels so high that the state and local military units don’t want to participate, and the state government is reluctant, you’re looking at closer to 50%, with access to practically everything you’d want to keep secret, which is like working with Iraqi security units made up of Mahdi Army militia members or Afghan terps who are Taliban sympathizers. And there will be sympathizers, from the local police up to the DHS/FBI/NSA itself. They’ll telegraph everything you do right as you start to do it. They'll sabotage efforts and equipment. Lead DHS troops into traps or reveal their movements. Publicize their mistakes. The whole architecture will be compromised by the ones who are most likely to seek out that type of employment in the first place. People who are willing to risk their lives for their country.

Having ten enemies within the wire is worse than having 100 outside it. And yet the author’s saying that the influence of the insurgency is already so high that they need to go out of state for help? That means the entire state, if not the nation, is a powder keg dangling over a bonfire.

5. What is the national political situation like? All this focuses in on poor little South Carolina in isolation.
a. What are the second order effects of launching a counterinsurgency effort on U.S. soil during a period of economic hardship?
b. Where are #OWS, anti-war leftists and other peacenik elements, and do they support military operations in 'flyover country'?
c. Where are the other Tea Party elements?
d. Would any of the above groups strike at the government elsewhere?
e. Would the government really leave *no* contingencies for a nation-wide crackdown?
f. How would a nation-wide crackdown be met with public approval?

The nation is likely already on the edge; how far would an effort like this have to go before it spiraled out of control? Four weeks? Four months? The funny thing about insurgencies is that the tend to last several years longer that you'd like.

6. What happens when the first government-led massacre takes place? Not an intentional one, but a gunfight where innocents are inadvertently killed via government heavy weapons, and the video makes it on to you tube as part of a ‘cover up expose’. Naturally, the government won’t want to advertise these things, even if they are just accidents. But it *will* look like a cover up, and many Americans will turn from the government, or say “I didn’t sign up for this”.

7. What is the ROE going to be?
a. What happens when the ROE is so tight, that the insurgents realize they can surrender, have media circus trials, and then go to prison and proselyze? We used to call the detention facilities ‘terrorist college’ because they’d go in amateurs and come out experts. Not just in expertise, but radicalized in philosophy.
b. What happens when the ROE is so loose, than bloody videos start appearing, and the government tries to suppress them?

8. What is the I/O plan? If the Evil Tea Party is waving the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, how do you counter that message?
a. How do you target people on the fence?
b. How do you soften people on the insurgent side?

As the great helmsman reminds us, "The guerrilla must move amongst the people as a fish swims in the sea." How do you separate the guerrillas from the people? Well, you can smear them with charges of racism, but what if the people come to believe that you’re smearing them because you’ve economically destroyed the country and shredded the Constitution? At a certain point, having a bad I/O plan is worse than having no plan, e.g. keeping your mouth shut is better than exposing yourself as a hypocrite. But without a good I/O plan, and in the face of an insurgency that speaks the language of the people, you’ll find that the waters of revolution run too deep to catch them, and quickly prove to be too deep to swim in wearing full body armor.

Anyway, these are the major red flags that occur to me based off the scenario. It's the kind of thing that led us into disaster in Iraq and a long, expensive stalemate in Afghanistan. The good Colonel seems to be cherry picking himself a very rosy scenario without looking at the potential consequences, which apparently has yet to go out of style, even after ten years of adventure in the Middle East.

19 posted on 08/05/2012 8:58:41 AM PDT by Steel Wolf ("Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master." - Gaius Sallustius Crispus)
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To: Travis McGee

bflr


20 posted on 08/05/2012 9:14:09 AM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: Travis McGee

The comments at the site are interesting, are they not? What is so disturbing about the article is the mindset on display. The authors remain unapologetic.


21 posted on 08/05/2012 9:16:11 AM PDT by Noumenon (I will not pay the Obama jizya.)
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To: Chode

Must be a picture of some Right Wing Wacko’s house.

Cut your grass, Chode! LOL


22 posted on 08/05/2012 9:17:33 AM PDT by panaxanax (Voting 'Third Party' will ensure a Communist-Marxist-Socialist dominated Supreme Court!)
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To: Steel Wolf; Travis McGee
A very sober and more realistic analysis, IMHO.

The original is flawed and wrong-headed on many levels. So it is not surprising coming from .fed is these days. In fact the base assumptions are in part why there is a Tea Party.

23 posted on 08/05/2012 9:30:34 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: MileHi
So it is not surprising coming from .fed is these days

Oops

24 posted on 08/05/2012 9:36:19 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: panaxanax
yeah i know, hasn't been cut for six weeks now, hopefully in the next week or two, if we get some rain that is...
25 posted on 08/05/2012 9:40:04 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Travis McGee

Bad scenario. The rebels in it are acting too simplistically and making things too easy.


26 posted on 08/05/2012 9:44:53 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Travis McGee; Chode
After a change in control of the White House and Congress in 2012, the governing party cuts off all funding that had been dedicated to boosting the economy or toward relief. The United States economy has flatlined...

Right there is where the separation from reality occurs.

Funding dedicated to boosting the economy or towards relief is the gasoline being thrown on the fire of national debit and multi-generational poverty.

IF such action occurred, i.e. government cutting off the welfare and knocking off the idiotic TARP's, TWIST's, QEx's, AFDC, food stamps, industry bailouts, stimulus packages, Keynesian pump priming, etc, the u.S. economy would actually recover, not stagnate.

Of course that would mean hundreds of thousands of absolutely worthless federal and some State government workers would have to obtain real employment. On the reality side of such action, the most likely "rebel" will be the second to third generation welfare supported urban dweller that has been cut off from the taxpayer funded feeding trough.

They would go absolutely nuts and start burning down their own neighborhoods. We have example after example of this and in the current race-based identity politics practiced by the communist agenda "liberal and progressive" democrat party a result of cuts off all funding that had been dedicated to boosting the economy or toward relief is NOT going to occur in Darlington, South Carolina.

It will be in Detroit, MI
Buffalo, NY
Cincinnati, OH
Cleveland, OH
Miami, FL
St. Louis, MO
El Paso, TX
Milwaukee, WI
Philadelphia, PA
Newark, NJ

COL Kevin Benson describing such an uneducated economic scenario as we find in the second sentence of this post, putting it in such an unlikely location and then laying the resulting fairy tale of action at the feet of "TEA Party motivation" is stretching the art of describing such possibilities to the extreme limit of understanding.

However, the other author, Jennifer Weber, seems to be a more likely influence on the content of the "analysis."

Jennifer Weber is an Associate Professor of History (Ph.D. Princeton, 2003) at the University of Kansas. Jennifer Weber specializes in the Civil War, especially the seams where political, social, and military history meet. She has active interests as well in Abraham Lincoln, the 19th century U.S., war and society, and the American presidency. Her first book, Copperheads (Oxford University Press, 2006), about the antiwar movement in the Civil War North, was widely reviewed and has become a highly regarded study of Civil War politics and society. Professor Weber is committed to reaching out to the general public and to young people in her work. Summer's Bloodiest Days (National Geographic), is a children's book about the Battle of Gettysburg and its aftermath. The National Council for Social Studies in 2011 named Bloodiest Days a Notable Social Studies Trade Book for Young People. Dr. Weber is very active in the field of Lincoln studies. She has spoken extensively around the country on Lincoln, politics, and other aspects of the Civil War.

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27 posted on 08/05/2012 9:53:08 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: Travis McGee
Here is Col. Benson's bio:

COL (Ret) Kevin Benson (US Army) is a 1977 graduate of the United States Military Academy. He attended the Armor Officer Basic Course, U.S. Marine Corps Amphibious Warfare School, U.S. Army Command and General Staff College, and the School of Advanced Military Studies. He attended Massachusetts Institute of Technology Security Studies Program as a War College Fellow in 2001. He completed the oral defense of his dissertation in March 2010. Kevin currently works for McNeil Technologies, Inc. as a seminar leader at the U.S. Army University of Foreign Military and Cultural Studies. Kevin served the Republic in uniform for 30 years. His last two positions were: the Assistant Chief of Staff, C5 (Plans), Combined Forces Land Component Command and Third US Army from June 2002 to July 2003 during Operation IRAQI FREEDOM /Operation COBRA II, where he led the planning effort for the invasion of Iraq and subsequent post-hostilities operations and the Director, School of Advanced Military Studies, SAMS, at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas. His awards and decorations include the Distinguished Service Medal, the Legion of Merit, the Bronze Star, Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal, Armed Forces Service Medal, Humanitarian Service Medal, Iraq Campaign Medal, the Army Superior Unit Award, the Joint Meritorious Unit Award, and the United Nations Medal.

He appears to be a career staff officer. Tin soldiers such as this man are unfortunately only too common in the officer corps.

28 posted on 08/05/2012 10:06:17 AM PDT by robowombat
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To: Travis McGee
The choice of “racist tea party rebels” as the villains in the scenario was not random.

I haven't even read the full article yet, but even after the first two paragraphs this is obvious. The rhetoric is thick, and echoes what this administration has been saying since they took over regarding whom they perceive to be the enemy.

...change in control of the White House and Congress in 2012, the governing party cuts off all funding ... dedicated to boosting the economy or toward relief.

See what will happen when we get thrown out? Those greedy Republicans want it all for themselves!

...extremist militia motivated ... “tea party” movement

Oh no! Those extremists will be in charge! (Let's ignore the extremists that are currently in charge.)

...taxes on the middle class remain relatively high ...vocal minority has directed the public’s fear and frustration at nonwhites and immigrants.

Reinforcing the evil, greedy, bigoted depiction of the "enemy".

...race-baiting and immigrant-bashing by right-wing demagogues.

Again, we are to ignore that which has already been occurring, perpetrated and encouraged by this administration and its sycophants, and ignored or deliberately mischaracterized by the useful idiots in the so-called mainstream media.

...nonwhites have become occasional targets for mobs of angry whites

Uh huh. This is getting tedious.

Telegraphing, are they?

29 posted on 08/05/2012 10:14:00 AM PDT by aragorn (We do indeed live in interesting times. FUBO.)
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To: ThunderSleeps
Bad scenario. The rebels in it are acting too simplistically and making things too easy.

Unfortunately, narrow thinking is our specialty. Were I reviewing this, I'd send it back and have them rewrite the scenario (a) minus the racism angle and (b) taking into consideration the political constraints of fighting a popular movement, not a fringe one. The problem is, our planners are notorious for avoiding awkward truths, and building scenarios out of wishful thinking.

For example, a long time ago, when a certain insurgency was a fairly new thing, I got shanghai'd into a counterterrorism VTC looking at a certain aspect of said insurgency. Military and civil organizations from all corners chimed in very dismissively of the insurgents political staying power. They felt that extremists would invariably be unpopular and unable to sustain any kind of public support or prolonged operational presence.

The State department reps (who I normally am inclined to dislike) made a very simple but terrifying observation. They basically said that extremist terror was not at all unpopular; in fact, on a lot of levels, our 'allies' in the region and their citizens enjoyed seeing the insurgents stick it to us. Not only would the insurgents not be socially ostracized, but they'd likely be viewed as heroes by a significant majority of region. They advised that we take the inherent social approval of the resistance into consideration.

The reaction was like the sun rising in the North. For a few moments, no one knew what to do or how to react. After a bit of cross talk the officers running the VTC pivoted to the next topic, and we moved on, as though nothing had been said. The officers refused to consider that State may have had a point. Not because they were wrong, but because the implications of them being right were politically unthinkable.

30 posted on 08/05/2012 10:17:22 AM PDT by Steel Wolf ("Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master." - Gaius Sallustius Crispus)
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31 posted on 08/05/2012 10:18:27 AM PDT by twistedwrench
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To: Steel Wolf; Travis McGee

Travis, thank you for finding and posting the article. I have gone to the site, followed the lead there to the full posting, downloaded and saved it. Well worth the read in it’s entirety.

Steel, your summary/analytical comments are excellent. Thank you for sharing. I have added you comments to the downloaded article.


32 posted on 08/05/2012 10:36:39 AM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: aragorn
...change in control of the White House and Congress in 2012...

So, the authors are suggesting that the DHS be called into crush a right-wing insurgency when the right controls congress and the President is a squishy center-right moderate? Mitt Romney is a lot of things, but Abe Lincoln ain't one of them.

Although if Mitt really did cut spending to the level the article suggests, the Tea Party wouldn't be in armed revolt; they'd be out campaigning for his reelection and looking to add him to Mount Rushmore. Even if the taxes rates remained high (which is somewhat hard to fathom assuming the right controlled the legislative and executive branches), the benefits of reduced government spending would hurt the progressives and their special interests, not the middle class Tea Party types. It's the middle class Tea Party section of America that winds up paying for programs they don't use. Conversely, it would be left who'd be ready to fight back and draw blood if those programs were cut.

But people who work for government think tanks don't get paid to consider a left wing / statist revolt in protest of lower spending, now do they? In reality, this scenario only makes sense under Democratic rule, which makes me wonder why they'd avoid the obvious 'Obama is reelected and everything goes to hell' storyline, which fits their overall narrative much more neatly. Unless they find it politically unthinkable to admit that Obama + reality = failure. That's possible. Ideology often trumps honesty in government. When you maneuver around 'unthinkable obstacles' because you don't like the implication, it invariably leads to cartoonish analysis. And here we are.

33 posted on 08/05/2012 10:44:28 AM PDT by Steel Wolf ("Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master." - Gaius Sallustius Crispus)
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To: TLI
good analysis
34 posted on 08/05/2012 11:08:33 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Travis McGee

bfl


35 posted on 08/05/2012 11:10:29 AM PDT by TEXOKIE (Nobody made a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could do only a little. EdmondBurke)
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To: Travis McGee
Good afternoon.

Not suggesting anything, but securing Charleston, and Columbia would yield huge benefits. Besides cutting SC in half, you would effectively control Interstates 95,20 and 26. Ft. Jackson, and the governor's mansion would give clout and increase stores. A boomer would be an added benefit too.

Pay no attention to this post, I'm just arm chair quarterbacking...

5.56mm

36 posted on 08/05/2012 11:28:19 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Travis McGee
Map Of Flash Points:

37 posted on 08/05/2012 11:32:53 AM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: M Kehoe
Pay no attention to this post either...

With a well thought out plan, assemble 10,000 highly trained, heavily armed, lightly armored "patriots," with 33% of the population sympathetic to the "cause," and you would have SC in 8-10 days.

Just say'n...

5.56mm

38 posted on 08/05/2012 11:45:47 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Travis McGee
Nice bayonet to the heart by posting this here via the comment section, TM!

“Congratulations to COL (Ret) Benson. You have just hit the national political scene via Free Republic. The headlines will read: “US ARMY PLANNING TO QUELL TEA PARTY INSURRECTIONS.” This article should be a thoughtful discussion on the process of suppressing potential insurrections and Military/Defense Support to Civil Authorities. However, your scenario using the TEA Party, combined with your credentials as a Seminar Leader at Ft Leavenworth, has a high potential of causing a major political firestorm on the national level. Your scenario could easily give the President, the SECDEF, the CJCS, the SECARMY, and the CoS a political black eye. You have given credibility to the conspiracy theorists who believe the President is preparing to implement martial law to stay in power, and have undermined the faith which so many of the TEA Party members place in the United States Military to support and defend the Constitution. For an author who discusses the importance of information operations your article, you have demonstrated your utter incompetence in this area.
by gfmucci | August 4, 2012 - 11:39pm”

39 posted on 08/05/2012 11:47:02 AM PDT by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: Steel Wolf

Terrific response. It sounds to me like you should be teaching the class, and the COL (ret) should be wearing a dunce cap.


40 posted on 08/05/2012 11:57:26 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: TLI

Your reply is why I believe that Benson is just trolling for threats of violence from what he perceives to be a latent “white racist tea party militia.” As Steel Wolf said so well above, he just does not understand his “enemy.” That, or he knows better, and is simply trolling for threats of violence, for another unstated reason.


41 posted on 08/05/2012 12:00:01 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: aragorn

I think Benson is just trolling for violent threats.


42 posted on 08/05/2012 12:01:49 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: bayouranger

This essay is just now filtering out to the constitutional/tea party community, and already more interesting comments are being posted at the original SWJ story.

Personally, I can’t believe that Benson is this stupid, and didn’t pick “white racist tea party militias” as anything less than a deliberate trolling operation.


43 posted on 08/05/2012 12:19:38 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee
I think Benson is just trolling for violent threats.

If that is the case, what do you suppose might be the benefit if he gets what he is asking for? Are they looking to reinforce their own beliefs (and those of their political masters)? I wonder what conclusion might they draw if/when they do not receive said threats?

44 posted on 08/05/2012 12:32:34 PM PDT by aragorn (We do indeed live in interesting times. FUBO.)
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To: aragorn

I’m sure they will be able to cull some threats, to reinforce their delusions. Amazing that this guy is a COL/PhD and an “expert” on counter-insurgency.

No wonder we are so lost in A-stan, and Iraq is falling apart.


45 posted on 08/05/2012 12:35:17 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Steel Wolf
So, the authors are suggesting that the DHS be called into crush a right-wing insurgency when the right controls congress and the President is a squishy center-right moderate?

The authors' scenario seems more like a liberal self-delusional alternate reality rather than anything I can accept with any stretch of credibility. These people are falling victim to their own spin.

It is my assertion that the "Progressives" (and media, and strap-hangers, and all the rest of that ilk) should be damn glad that "we" are not the folks that "they" constantly accuse us of being. The fact that "they" remain free to continue to denigrate and slander those with whom they disagree, instead of hiding in fear of their lives, proves that "we" are not the violent, knuckle-dragging, illiterate bigots that they constantly and loudly claim we are. Do you suppose any of them ever stop to ponder this?

Ideology often trumps honesty in government. When you maneuver around 'unthinkable obstacles' because you don't like the implication, it invariably leads to cartoonish analysis. And here we are.

As you said: here we are. Our tax dollars at work.

46 posted on 08/05/2012 12:45:37 PM PDT by aragorn (We do indeed live in interesting times. FUBO.)
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To: Travis McGee
Your reply is why I believe that Benson is just trolling for threats of violence from what he perceives to be a latent “white racist tea party militia.”

It is now a commonly used tactic of oppressive government officials to bolster the achievement of goals that can not be justified via normal, truthful or accurate means.

In this instance Mark has generated the entire scenario around a totally unfounded premise of activities by a totally non-existent "white racist tea party militia."

Another case in point...

On July 14, 2010 after ATF headquarters in Washington D.C. received an update on Fast and Furious, ATF Field Ops Assistant Director Mark Chait emailed Bill Newell, ATF’s Phoenix Special Agent in Charge of Fast and Furious:

“Bill – can you see if these guns were all purchased from the same (licensed gun dealer) and at one time. We are looking at anecdotal cases to support a demand letter on long gun multiple sales. Thanks.”

The F&F example is clearly stating their desire to use examples of violations of regulations that occurred on THEIR orders so as to justify creating more regulations and restrictions.

Mark Chait, a poster boy of the current communist regime.

COL Kevin Benson, Jennifer Weber, rising stars on the horizon? .

47 posted on 08/05/2012 12:56:33 PM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: Travis McGee

It sounds like the Col may be coming out of retirement and looking for a star.


48 posted on 08/05/2012 1:00:26 PM PDT by ebshumidors ( Marksmanship and YOUR heritage http://www.appleseedinfo.org)
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To: Travis McGee; Steel Wolf

Having ten enemies within the wire is worse than having 100 outside it. And yet the author’s saying that the influence of the insurgency is already so high that they need to go out of state for help? That means the entire state, if not the nation, is a powder keg dangling over a bonfire.


Outstanding post, I do agree with that...

The question I have is how/would we (term used loosely) “reject” the involvement/infiltration of un-necessary racist organizations??? (i.e.: KKK, and other white supremist persons???)

To me, over the last few years, this Tea Party has never been accepted by any establishment organizations at all, even the ones who would be friendly to the originalist agenda it espouses...

Everything I see that is reported by media outlets, and other government agencies is that the Tea Party IS trash, un-organized, does not make a political difference, and is based upon racist ideals...Something I have not seen myself in witnessing those rallies and other functions in my community...

Steel Wolf is right...This situation is a powder keg just waiting for a spark, and it has been that way for a lot longer than anyone I know realizes, and I am surprised it has lasted this long in such a fragile environment...

When the bubble does burst, I do not believe anyone will come out a winner on this one...

One thing is for sure though...I know what side I will be on, and it has been determined by long hours of study, preparation, and the hope we can temper/correct the economic nose-dive this country is on before it is too late...

I could write a lot more, but several of the keys on this keyboard are not working very well ;-), I might need a tune-up...

My best to all, this has been a very good thread to read through...And long overdue...


49 posted on 08/05/2012 1:03:40 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: Travis McGee

bttt


50 posted on 08/05/2012 1:18:29 PM PDT by JDoutrider
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