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U.S. Rep From Detroit Introduces Bill to Ban Criminal Background Checks
Michigan Capitol Confidential ^ | 8/5/2012 | Tom Gantert

Posted on 08/06/2012 12:26:03 PM PDT by MichCapCon

U.S. Congressman Hansen Clarke of Detroit has introduced a “ban the box” bill that would prevent employers from asking employees about criminal convictions on job applications until they made a conditional job offer.

Applications often have a box that asks applicants if they have been convicted of a crime.

The exception to asking about a criminal conviction in H.R. 6220 is when hiring the person may "involve an unreasonable risk to the safety of specific individuals or to the general public.”

(Excerpt) Read more at michigancapitolconfidential.com ...


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: 112th; blackmales; crime; detroit; felons; hansenclarke

1 posted on 08/06/2012 12:26:07 PM PDT by MichCapCon
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To: Springman; Sioux-san; 70th Division; JPG; PGalt; DuncanWaring
Ive got mixed feeling on this one.ts ridiculous that a guy with criminal history can't load luggage on an airplane but any illegal from God knows where can. Seems that some common sense would work wonders.

If anyone wants to be added to the Michigan Cap Con ping list, let me know.
2 posted on 08/06/2012 12:30:18 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: MichCapCon

No ban necessary. Being a convicted felon is a resume enhancement for Donkeys.


3 posted on 08/06/2012 12:31:24 PM PDT by MasterGunner01 (11)
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To: MichCapCon

Around 40% of black males aged 20-29 in Detroit are in prison, awaiting trial, on parole, or on parole, a much higher percentage than for women, other age groups, or other racial groups. Any guesses what employers being unable to ask about a criminal record will do to hiring for the law-abiding black males in Detroit?


4 posted on 08/06/2012 12:34:12 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: MichCapCon

Will this bill apply to Obama’s second term? Doesn’t a background check include the production of a valid birth certificate?


5 posted on 08/06/2012 12:34:25 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: MichCapCon

Whatza problem? Criminal background checks considered racist in Detroit?


6 posted on 08/06/2012 12:36:17 PM PDT by Ranger Warrior ("To stand in silence when they should be protesting makes cowards out of men." - Abraham Lincoln)
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To: MichCapCon
This kind of crap is why we have shooting like we did yesterday. People have no right to know that the loon standing/working next to them is a murderer.

sarc/

7 posted on 08/06/2012 12:39:16 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The NRA did not create James "The Joker" Holmes. Harvey Weinstein's Hollywood did.)
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To: MichCapCon
Boy this is a tough one... How about a persons credit report? I knew of someone that hired a temp (before complete check done or?) for a MAJOR Brokerage Firm. Said person was such a good worker and so sharp they wanted them NOW. Couldn't do it, they declared Bankruptcy and that is a no-no for their form U-4.

With that said where is forgiveness and how do we let people turn their lives around by getting a good job, if they have truly changed?

Freepers of Faith, Freeper Legal Eagles and Freeper Employers please respond, this is key IMHO on turning the country around we are all not saints, but some may have errored more than others, how do we give them a chance without being a doormat as well?

8 posted on 08/06/2012 12:46:40 PM PDT by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: MichCapCon
What if the guy is a pedophile applying for a day care job?
9 posted on 08/06/2012 12:47:31 PM PDT by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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To: cripplecreek

>> Ive got mixed feeling on this one.

No mixed feelings here. Employment should be a completely voluntary, free market decision, period.

Employers should (if they dare) be free to ask ANY QUESTION they please, and hire and fire on ANY basis whatsoever — including race — or on no basis at all. They should pay whatever amount they can hire talent at — no minimum wage whatsoever.

Conversely, employees should be free — as they are now — to ask any question of their potential employer, and to make their job acceptance decision on any criteria they wish, or no criteria at all. As they are now.

Please observe that right now the vetting process is tilted in favor of employees, who unlike employers can ask ANYTHING and make their decision on ANY BASIS THEY CHOOSE.

As to your comment on ex-cons loading baggage — you’re right, there’s no inherent reason why an ex con ought to be automatically excluded from that job, or any other.

Let the market decide.

Note that if hiring decisions were freed of all the regulations they’re encumbered with, more people would be hired everywhere — old white guys, blacks, teens, EVERYONE would benefit. The economy would grow. And when it did grow, employment would increase, wages would have to increase, and more ex-cons (and black teenagers) would be hired — out of market NECESSITY.

What’s more, as cliche as it sounds, people ARE any business’s most precious asset. A company that regularly abused its human resouces relative to its competitors would be at a disadvantage in the marketplace, and eventually go out of business. Punished by the market, not by the government.


10 posted on 08/06/2012 12:49:03 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Love the cult, respect the leader, but I simply can't drink the koolaid and die.)
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To: Nervous Tick

So its OK to hire illegals who can’t be tracked despite they might be 6 months out of GITMO?


11 posted on 08/06/2012 12:54:09 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: taildragger

>> With that said where is forgiveness and how do we let people turn their lives around by getting a good job, if they have truly changed?

Forgiveness for one’s actions, and enduring the consequences of one’s actions, are different concepts.


12 posted on 08/06/2012 12:54:14 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Love the cult, respect the leader, but I simply can't drink the koolaid and die.)
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To: MichCapCon

Just pass a bill making it illegal to hire Whitey.


13 posted on 08/06/2012 12:56:52 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the collectivists.)
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To: cripplecreek

>> So its OK to hire illegals who can’t be tracked despite they might be 6 months out of GITMO?

No, of course not, and sorry, I should have made that clear.

It’s not acceptable to break laws during the hiring process — for either employer or employee.


14 posted on 08/06/2012 12:57:46 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Love the cult, respect the leader, but I simply can't drink the koolaid and die.)
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To: MichCapCon

Sure. After they’ve paid their debts, wipe their histories. But know that sentences for real crimes will be harsher (theft, murder, robbery, etc.).

WH: DOJ will work on background checks for guns until Congress passes gun laws
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2915253/posts


15 posted on 08/06/2012 1:02:09 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: taildragger

When I was a factory foreman, my crew was about 80% parolees from a halfway house and as far as I’m concerned they were the best crew in the shop. I also had a few semi retired people and mentally retarded adults. The thing was that my parolees were all non violent offenders and pretty decent folks.

I don’t have issues with back ground checks so much as jobs that are restricted by law. Obviously you wouldn’t hire a child molester for child care but I fail to see a problem with hiring a former drunk driver to load luggage. Its just plain stupid.


16 posted on 08/06/2012 1:03:08 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Nervous Tick

My point is simply that we need some common sense. I really don’t have issues with the background check itself so much as I have problems with laws restricting any “felon” from certain jobs no matter what the job is or what his crime was.


17 posted on 08/06/2012 1:06:58 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: MichCapCon

I have to say that background checks should be banned. As a business owner, one of my employee is an ex-felon and he is my best worker in the service area. I don’t ask about criminal past.


18 posted on 08/06/2012 1:10:45 PM PDT by ExCTCitizen (Yes, Obama, I had help with my business. MY CUSTOMERS!!)
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To: MichCapCon

So everyone will waste their time interviewing and extending conditional offers to people who turn out to have nine priors. Brilliant!


19 posted on 08/06/2012 1:16:47 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Nervous Tick
So "enduring the consequence" of bad credit from losing a home because you lost your job and couldn't get a new one, part age and part bad economy, is to remain jobless and become destitute and dependent on government?

I have to ask because I know someone in exactly that situation.

Yeah, that thinking will make things better for everyone.

20 posted on 08/06/2012 1:22:28 PM PDT by newzjunkey
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To: cripplecreek

>> I have problems with laws restricting any “felon” from certain jobs no matter what the job is or what his crime was.

As a free-market enthusiast, I too would have problems with such a law.

I’m not aware of such a law, though. Is there a law like that in Michigan?


21 posted on 08/06/2012 1:23:19 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Love the cult, respect the leader, but I simply can't drink the koolaid and die.)
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To: Nervous Tick

There are lots of jobs with federal restrictions like that. Jobs in transportation are notorious for federal restrictions. A good many jobs in the defense industry as well. In both its becoming easier to hire an illegal than a dangerous criminal who wrote a bad check or drove drunk.


22 posted on 08/06/2012 1:32:34 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: 70th Division

You have centered the problem. What if the applicant is a rapist? Thief? Embezzler? Extortionist? Acts out violently? Uses drugs? Sells drugs? Obviously, other than minor traffic offenses, most things that create a criminal record make someone a major liability as an employee. This idiotic Congressman would be the first to hold a company accountable for a “hostile work environment” or some sort of incident at work. This is another part of the Democrats War on Employment — they’ll do anything to make jobs the last thing a potential employer can afford to create.


23 posted on 08/06/2012 1:35:20 PM PDT by Chewbarkah
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To: newzjunkey

>> So “enduring the consequence” of bad credit from losing a home because you lost your job and couldn’t get a new one, part age and part bad economy, is to remain jobless and become destitute and dependent on government?

You’re putting words in my mouth; that’s not what I said.

I said that forgiveness and evading the consequences of one’s actions are different **concepts** — and they are. Forgiveness doesn’t automatically lead to “no penalty”. If you murder my loved one, I may forgive you — but I still want you to do your sentence.

But to address your implicit question, which is, “do I think the consequences you describe are fair”:

No. I think they suck for the individual you describe.

However, I don’t think the answer is government enforcement of an information blackout. If the individual is truly deserving and truly a victim of unfortunate circumstances, and not bad judgment, then they ought to be able to convince an employer of that.

Freedom => free markets, not government assurance of outcomes.

I would be just as “not in favor” of a rule or law that went the OTHER way, that is, precluded employment only because of someone’s bad credit rating or criminal record.


24 posted on 08/06/2012 1:40:14 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Love the cult, respect the leader, but I simply can't drink the koolaid and die.)
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To: MichCapCon

What about that Sex Offender Registry? Get rid of that too?

Bonding will be a problem once you hire a felon if a bond is necessary.

There are so many pratfalls with this stupidity.


25 posted on 08/06/2012 1:44:56 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: MichCapCon

There is a problem that a lot of the ex-cons in the US are aging, but unable to get even minimum wage jobs. One possible solution for this is for states to create poor farms specifically for ex-cons to do minor labor, mostly to support themselves, but in exchange for room and board.

As such, it would serve several purposes, the most important of which is to keep costs down by keeping them out of prison, off most welfare, out of the emergency rooms for health problems, and away from drugs and alcohol.

So, they sleep in barracks, grow some of their own food, make some of their own clothing, and do some jobs that will give them a small income.

The bottom line is that this is not being done for them, but for the taxpayers. If they benefit from it, great.


26 posted on 08/06/2012 2:42:09 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: cripplecreek
“My point is simply that we need some common sense.”

I think the problem may partially lie with the overwhelming desire of the self righteous to punish someone.

27 posted on 08/06/2012 3:38:06 PM PDT by dljordan ("Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered.")
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To: Chewbarkah
Great analysis.
28 posted on 08/07/2012 4:41:22 AM PDT by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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