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Carrying a gun does not provide ANY realistic possibility of self defense
http://armedselfdefense.blogspot.com/ ^ | 08/28/2012

Posted on 08/28/2012 8:53:28 AM PDT by Sasparilla

Denying that law abiding citizens have a right to carry a sidearm to defend themselves, an anti gun rights organization has published what has to be the most disingenuous post ever to appear on an anti gun website.

The group said last week that, “Carrying a gun does not provide ANY realistic possibility of self defense—the element of surprise ALWAYS defeats the gun carrier.” They call that “Gun fact #1.”

The author of the opinion further states that, an armed criminal will not approach you and challenge you to "Draw." They say that the thug will have the "Drop" on you before you know they are there. They claim that you will make no moves with a concealed weapon to defend yourself as they rob you of your money and take your gun. No, they don't say, “Draw.” It's generally, “Give me your money, your car, your wallet, or if it’s a business, Give me what’s in the till.”

There is no question what the assailant will do with his gun. The only question is what you will do with yours. However, that is a very personal decision made based on the facts of the situation at hand.

There are numerous daily situations across the USA where an armed would be “victim” draws his sidearm and scares off, wounds, or kills his or her assailant, thereby protecting himself, or others, or both.

But, this fringe group would deny you your self defense rights if your life is in imminent danger.

If that writer did just did some research before spouting off, and even perhaps Googled a term such as “Armed citizen shoots robber,” he would have found such headlines as these among 1,490,000 results with just that one search term on the first page:

“Armed Citizen shoots two hapless robbers...

(Excerpt) Read more at armedselfdefense.blogspot.com ...


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: banglist; selfdefense; youwillnotdisarmus

1 posted on 08/28/2012 8:53:36 AM PDT by Sasparilla
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To: Sasparilla
No, they don't say, “Draw.” It's generally, “Give me your money, your car, your wallet

At which point, I'd reach into my pocket and pull my revolver and start shooting.

2 posted on 08/28/2012 8:56:28 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: Sasparilla

“the element of surprise ALWAYS defeats the gun carrier”
This is true. However it still does not defend gun control laws.


3 posted on 08/28/2012 8:57:08 AM PDT by DMG2FUN
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To: Sasparilla

Does NOT carrying a firearm provide any “realistic possibility of self defense”???


4 posted on 08/28/2012 8:57:55 AM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: Sans-Culotte

I wouldn’t pull, just start shooting.

You can repair the hole in your pocket later.


5 posted on 08/28/2012 8:57:55 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Sasparilla

“They say that the thug will have the “Drop” on you before you know they are there. They claim that you will make no moves with a concealed weapon to defend yourself as they rob you of your money and take your gun. No, they don’t say, “Draw.” It’s generally, “Give me your money, your car, your wallet, or if it’s a business, Give me what’s in the till.”

Here’s how that goes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84IZxWvOWWY


6 posted on 08/28/2012 8:58:42 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie & stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: Jonty30

Exactly why I carry a double action only, shrouded hammer revolver in my pocket. Drawing is for movies.


7 posted on 08/28/2012 9:01:17 AM PDT by Bayan
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To: Sasparilla
According to DOJ crime statistics, guns are used 2.5-million times per year to prevent robberies, rapes, murders, carjackings, home-invasions, etc., 99% of the time without a shot being fired.

Gun Facts

8 posted on 08/28/2012 9:02:54 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: Sasparilla
Damn. I have erroneously been thinking my carrying a concealed weapon would be a surprise for the bad guy. Maybe my being in CA instead of FL or TX makes my prediction more of a reality.
9 posted on 08/28/2012 9:03:18 AM PDT by onceone (0311, K Co., 3/5 1st Mar Div, RVN '68)
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To: lightman; mylife; Clint N. Suhks; smokingfrog; HonestConservative; TornadoAlley3; ...

Thank God for guns, huh Jerry Ping!


10 posted on 08/28/2012 9:03:32 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie & stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: carriage_hill

I was on the Orange Line platform at Tufts after seeing Les Mis with my parents. Two utes wearing red bandanas approached us. I slightly unzipped my jacket and put my right hand inside. They turned around and went back down the platform.


11 posted on 08/28/2012 9:07:54 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Sasparilla
It's generally, “Give me your money, your car, your wallet, or if it’s a business, Give me what’s in the till.”

"Yeah, sure, let me get my wallet out of my back pocket..."

12 posted on 08/28/2012 9:08:48 AM PDT by Kenton
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To: onceone

these guys were suprised by a ccw...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2923743/posts


13 posted on 08/28/2012 9:08:57 AM PDT by Currentriverrat (People are calling our President the Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers, that's not allowed is it?)
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To: DMG2FUN

Personally, I think it would be an element of surprise the other way when a gun appeared. Definitely be a big surprise if someone came into my house in the dark. Surprise no. 1 is when my malinois has him by the arm on the floor.


14 posted on 08/28/2012 9:11:12 AM PDT by nobamanomore
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To: carriage_hill
No, Mr. Crane.

It's "Two to the chest, one to the head. Makes sure he's well and truly ... STOPPED."

15 posted on 08/28/2012 9:11:43 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Kenton

Even with the heavier DAO trigger pull on smaller automatics, I’d stay away from ANY holster that offers no trigger protection, unless you carry unchambered.


16 posted on 08/28/2012 9:13:19 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: KoRn

If someone believes he or she has, “no realistic possibility of self defense” with a firearm, then fine; don’t carry one. But don’t tell everyone else what they can or cannot do. The right to self defense is not contingent on what someone else believes is possible. Why is this so hard to understand?


17 posted on 08/28/2012 9:14:04 AM PDT by Old North State
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To: KoRn

It does if you are Jesse Owens.


18 posted on 08/28/2012 9:16:13 AM PDT by DMG2FUN
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To: massgopguy

Good move! Hope you had a piece, but if the ‘feint’ worked; perfect! (Didn’t work for me in ‘74 when I was robbed and shot, but then I wasn’t carrying. After getting out of the hospital (still carry the .32cal), I’ve carried everyday, since. Won’t be a victim, twice...)


19 posted on 08/28/2012 9:19:14 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie & stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: Sasparilla
Lots of assumptions by the anti-gunners to put the honest victim in the worst possible situation. Why not just have an assassin shooting at me with a sniper rifle from a quarter mile away and ask "What's your pistol going to do for you now? Your gun is worthless."
20 posted on 08/28/2012 9:20:10 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Recycled Olympic tagline Shut up, Bob Costas. Shut up! Shut up! Shut up! Shut up! Shut up! Shut up!)
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To: SJSAMPLE
Even with the heavier DAO trigger pull on smaller automatics, I’d stay away from ANY holster that offers no trigger protection, unless you carry unchambered.

The hole is so you can pull out your "wallet" and pull the trigger. Without that, it's just another pocket holster.

I hear you on the caution issue, but from personal experience, the trigger pull on the Ruger LCP is sufficiently heavy that it's not going to go off unless you want it to.

21 posted on 08/28/2012 9:21:14 AM PDT by Kenton
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To: ArrogantBustard

You and I both know that, AB. Awwww, but that clip’s just TV funnin’ around.


22 posted on 08/28/2012 9:21:29 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie & stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: Jonty30
I'm reminded of this guy who works at a local gun store. My now ex-wife was interested in buying a XD9 which he happened to be caring in a concealed holster under his shirt and behind his back. I'm still amazed at how fast his hands went from empty to holding a loaded gun. This dude was amazingly fast. He drew the weapon in one hand, the magazine in the other, and had that thig ready to rock in a fraction of a second. I pity the fool who tried to get the “drop” on that guy.
23 posted on 08/28/2012 9:23:01 AM PDT by chaos_5
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To: Jonty30
Or maybe he drew it loaded and had the mag out in a split second. Uggg.. whatever, it was soooo fast, thats all I clearly remember.
24 posted on 08/28/2012 9:24:22 AM PDT by chaos_5
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To: Sasparilla
Just saw this Freerepublic thread moments ago: Mini-mart customers kills one armed robber and scares off the other

So much for the so-called uselessness of going armed. There are more defensive-use-with-gun scenarios on Earth than your anti-gun philosophy has dreamed of, Horatio.

25 posted on 08/28/2012 9:37:49 AM PDT by nonsporting
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To: Sasparilla

Tell that to Travan “Skittles” Martin.


26 posted on 08/28/2012 9:39:32 AM PDT by 109ACS (If this be Treason, then make the most of it. Patrick Henry, May 1765)
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To: carriage_hill
that clip’s just TV funnin’ around.

And it is funny. Even though you know Denny Crane isn't going to let himself get robbed, it's fun watching how he does it. (Also, the producers probably didn't want their character killing anyone.)

27 posted on 08/28/2012 9:39:58 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

I’ve seen it a hundred times and still get an audible chuckle each time I see it. Centermass & headshots would be too messy for a humor clip. Denny Crane & Jerry would each need a poncho and goggles. LOL.


28 posted on 08/28/2012 9:50:01 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie & stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: Currentriverrat
The surprise factor is one I reason I would still carry concealed even if I lived in an open carry state.

As more people carry concealed the bad guys need to be more selective when choosing their criminal environment. Too many people to try an keep an eye on. Then again, crooks are kinda dumb so it just may lead to a faster thinning of the herd.

29 posted on 08/28/2012 10:04:05 AM PDT by onceone (0311, K Co., 3/5 1st Mar Div, RVN '68)
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To: Sasparilla

It worked for George Zimmerman.


30 posted on 08/28/2012 10:16:57 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: Sasparilla

I’m a retired AB Ranger and have carried on a CCW since the day I got out. All told I’ve been carrying a firearm for over 40 years.
This is crap. Situational awareness takes the surprise away from the bad guys and having a pistol tucked away and being able to use it puts that surprise back on your side.
I have been robbed, well they tried. It did not work out as they had planned and you should have seen the look of surprise on their faces when they figured it out.
I trust me to take care of me, financially and physically. I expect the same of everyone else.


31 posted on 08/28/2012 10:17:30 AM PDT by oldenuff2no
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To: carriage_hill

Love! It!


32 posted on 08/28/2012 10:26:29 AM PDT by jagusafr
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To: Sasparilla

There’s something to be said for having situational awareness. Sometimes you may get surprised, but you can improve your chances greatly by knowing who is around you and noting facial and body language. Having your weapon ready to shoot (vs. needing to chamber a round first) is also a plus. I’m in a “mandatory evacuation” area for Isaac, but I know that the biggest danger to me is the surge and it will be about 18’ lower than what it takes to reach me. I opted to stay instead of leaving my property vulnerable to potential looters. My wife and I have discussed being ready and how to back each other up if the worst happens - another key factor in the being prepared column. Multiple weapons stashed for easy access no matter where we are and all ready to “speak” by squeezing the trigger.


33 posted on 08/28/2012 10:29:19 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: Kenton

Looks like a P-3AT


34 posted on 08/28/2012 10:31:15 AM PDT by andyk (Go Juan Pablo!)
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To: Kenton

Except the holster is a NFA Class III AOW, requiring federal registration and a $200 transfer tax. Failure to garners a $250,000 fine and 10 years prison.
Not kidding.


35 posted on 08/28/2012 10:38:24 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: DMG2FUN
the element of surprise ALWAYS defeats the gun carrier” This is true. However it still does not defend gun control laws.

Actually it's not true. Even after being shot in a suprise attack their are numerous occasions where the suprised victim has survived and killed their attacker.

36 posted on 08/28/2012 10:45:40 AM PDT by Ajnin (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnocet!)
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To: Sasparilla

Doesn’t matter if carrying a gun gives an advantage or not. It is a civil right to carry a gun, period. No other argument is necessary.


37 posted on 08/28/2012 10:46:52 AM PDT by STYRO (Do not accept unconstitutional government as legitimate government.)
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To: 109ACS

I believe the traditional Yoruba spelling is “Trayvon.”


38 posted on 08/28/2012 10:47:16 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Sasparilla

This group makes A BUNCH of broad assumptions, one of which is that all gun crime occurs in the same way. The simple fact is, if you’re caught unaware, by yourself, then having a gun MAY NOT be useful. But under many circumstances, that simply isn’t the case, and history proves this out.

Their assumption is like saying that since some people die in auto accidents, they shouldn’t bother with seat belts. Since some homes burn down, people shouldn’t bother with fire extinguishers.

The simple fact is that handguns have served many people to defend their lives, and the lives of others. I cringe at the thought of how many lives could have been saved, say had one armed person been on the LIRR train where Colin Fergeson killed all those people (the tragedy that launched the career of Carolyn McCarthy), or any other mass murder location.

Mark


39 posted on 08/28/2012 10:49:32 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: ctdonath2
Except the holster is a NFA Class III AOW, requiring federal registration and a $200 transfer tax. Failure to garners a $250,000 fine and 10 years prison.

Yeah, you're right. Just found that out myself.

40 posted on 08/28/2012 10:51:32 AM PDT by Kenton
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To: Sasparilla

Well, with the anti-gun butthead’s nose buried in his iPhone, of course he has zero situational awareness.


41 posted on 08/28/2012 10:52:05 AM PDT by MortMan (Laughter is the best medicine, especially when ridiculing your enemies.)
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To: andyk
Looks like a P-3AT

Yeah, the Ruger LCP is like a P-3AT with a nicer finish.

42 posted on 08/28/2012 10:57:04 AM PDT by Kenton
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To: Sasparilla
“Carrying a gun does not provide ANY realistic possibility of self defense—the element of surprise ALWAYS defeats the gun carrier.”

Tell it to the NYPD. Then duck behind a flowerpot really f#*^ing fast.

43 posted on 08/28/2012 10:57:51 AM PDT by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: Sasparilla

I guess they forgot about the first rule of a gunfight. Bring a gun. :)


44 posted on 08/28/2012 11:16:30 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Kenton; ctdonath2
FYI, the transfer tax on an AOW is FIVE ($5) dollars, not $200.

An AOW shotgun versus a Short-barrel shotgun means the AOW can't have a stock, only a pistol grip.

The main difference in ownership is a $195 savings.

45 posted on 08/28/2012 3:02:43 PM PDT by JOAT
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To: JOAT

You’re right, it’s $5. My bad for not keeping it straight.

...wait...GOVERNMENT’S bad for making something that simple so obscenely complicated.


46 posted on 08/28/2012 4:33:35 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: Sasparilla
Carrying a gun does not provide ANY realistic possibility of self defense—the element of surprise ALWAYS defeats the gun carrier.”

Yep. And if it's the surprise game they want to play, there's a very nice one to have for them:

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47 posted on 08/29/2012 12:04:28 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: Kenton
."Yeah, sure, let me get my wallet out of my back pocket..."

"No, here! Take mine!


48 posted on 08/29/2012 12:31:08 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: Sasparilla
There is no question what the assailant will do with his gun. The only question is what you will do with yours.

Well, there's the question of what to do with his/her/their body/ies.

49 posted on 08/29/2012 12:34:51 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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