Skip to comments.Romney/Ryan or Bust! If you don't vote Romney this Nov. then you will be casting a vote for Obama
Posted on 09/07/2012 6:30:12 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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I tire of hearing this same logic whenever a liberal republican is nominated.
No clue. We live in an age of deception where even the elect are easily deceived.
Assume what you will.
I’m not voting for Romney out of principles that he and the Ruling Class have trounced upon yet one time too many.
Not to mention his actual record is not the measure of a candidate I can or will support.
Not that our votes count for anything anyway. Not when Cook County has gone national.
I’m already waaay past November in thinking.
That is a stupid irrelevant question.
The people who run this party took it upon themselves to pick a candidate, and to sell him to the country.
This is their job. If they fail in their job then you should blame them for not doing their job.
That is so self evidently obviously true I just cannot understand why these stupid thread keep coming up.
When was the last time we faced a communist incumbent in his first term?
These clinical Freaks and delusional sickos want a theocracy.
Bingo. The abr sickos could care less.
Well, when that includes MY part of the world that your willing to concede to your purism and myopia, when it affects MY ability to make a buck, then I must dismiss you as someone even beneath my contempt.
This is why I get so annoyed at you silly socons.
Oh fng please. Obama loves your yOur tyPe
And the GOPe does not use the same logic with Akin.
I thought Akin should have resigned. He didn’t and he won’t. Ok so we need to get him elected. Right?
No, not according to the GOPe. They are actively sabotaging his campaign by withholding money and support. Apparently it is more important to them that he lose then the party get another R seat in the senate. Why? So they can crow about it and point it out as an example of why they can’t put up conservatives.
I am as disgusted with the institutional Republican party as I am with the democrats.
Like one is either pregnant or they are not, one is either conservative or they are not.
If you are not a socon you are a liberal.
And the GOPe loves your tyPe. You keep them in their elevated positions.
I vote on jobs, defense, and the economy.
The only way abortion ends is if the SCOTUS reverses “Roe”. Congress, the president, or the states can’t do much on their own.
Given the usual 80-90 year span it takes for them to fix one of their mistakes, we have another 35-40 years to go yet.
In the meantime, we must preserve the republic.
Impossible with Zero.
Wake up and smell the coffee, Eunice!
BingO. these idiots want a Pope not a president.
So start your own party!
He is a liberal through and through.
So are you.
I’d vote for an atheist if they supported free market principles. THAT’S what matters to me. The economy, defense, and deregulation.
I read Smith, Hayek, and von Mises. We’re living under Marx and Lenin now.
Maybe you should get your nose out of the Bible just once and read those.
We cannot survive 4 more years of Zero. There may NOT be a 2016 election if he gets back in.
But no.....that would mean compromising your pweshus widdle pwincipaws.....
No, I’ll keep trying to keep this party honest.
Mind you, I have no illusions that that is possible. But I’m never going to lay off them.
I don’t believe that describes Romney. I think he’s a dedicated statist.
And when was the last time you got your nose into a Bible?
I don’t need it...I have one...several in fact. Spending the day with the Rach Third will do that to you...
This is one of the big problems I have with you Protestant evangelicals.
You’re so damn concerned with eternity and the hereafter you often ignore the very real pressingf realities of this life right now.
I already have one, thank you.....had several in fact. Spending the day polishing the Rach Third back to performance caliber does that to a person, hehehe.
See, this is one of the major problems I have with Protestant evangelicals. they’re so concerned with eternity and the hereafter that they seemingly ignore the very crucial pressing realities of the here and now present.
I am wondering how many posts like this will show up in the sixty or so days until the election by folks who somehow think they will change the minds of folks like me.
I’m thinking one every 3 hours..so I’d say at least 480.
“Regretably, Romney crosses that line. He has a proven record of gay marriage support”
Romney’s consistent stated position has been for traditional marriage. He held that position in 2002 when he criticized the mass supreme court ruling, and he stated it last week.
The Republican party’s consistent stated position has been for traditional marriage.
Obama’s stated position has been for gay marriage.
The Democratic party’s stated position has been for gay marriage. They have appointed judges who call it a constitutional right, passed it in state houses and openly push the envelope on it daily.
No matter what you think Romney did or didnt do in Massachusetts, the positions are stark clear and different. There are 2 things the President can actually do: Defend DOMA (or not), and appoint judges. Obama wont defend DOMA and will appoint judges who will call gay marriage a right.
4 more years under Obama, and gay marriage will be - through tossing of DOMA - law of the land.
Romney will defend DOMA.
“I dont vote for ANYONE who intends to kill babies. “
Prolife Romney wont do that. Romney is as prolife as GHWBush was. Allowing Obama a second term will allow the HHS mandates and taxpayer funding of abortion in Obamacare to continue.
If you care about those issues, it seems pretty insane to let extremist pro-abort pro-gay marriage Obama get re-elected.
And America is at stake for a lot more reasons than those two issues anyway.
Grow up and enter reality, please.
I’m not using Palin as a reason not to vote for Romney.
I’m citing what Romney DID to Palin as one, of MANY reasons why I refuse to vote for him.
I don’t care who Palin will vote for, she is after all, a politician who has to play by the rules of the club if she wants to play at all.
I’m not beholden to such things.
Ohhh, another one that believes that rapture fairy-tale, huh?
(Which is considered heresy by my Church, BTW)
Listen Palpy, you make the case why the God-booing Democrat MarxoFascists in the DNC are not any different than you Christian-ridiculing Ruling Class Mittbot stooges.
Another reason among many I’m done with the GOP; - people like you.
I don't subscribe to that doctrine. But your ridicule is again duly noted.
There truly is little difference in a God-booing Obama stooge and a Christian-ridiculing Romney stooge.
Well, he got his, he was zotted in another thread.
I guess he was even too sanctimonious for some of the ABR’s here.
Fiscal conservative, defense and budget hawk.
Much more libertarian on your precious puritanism you call social issues. If you want a theocracy, move to Iran. This is the United States of America, we don’t do that crap here.
I, like Madison, believe you cannot legislate morality.
What other people do, so long as it doesn’t directly threaten me, is no skin off my nose.
Unlike you fundamentalist evangelicals....who secretly worry that someone somewhere is having fun.
You don’t know me, pal....unless you’ve either seen me play or bought one of my recordings.
So keep your opinions of me to yourself.
I often take Devil’s Advocate positions just to see where everyone stands.
Now however is not one of those cases.
No conservative would abandon their country to a Communist Dictatorship. That is exactly what yo0u sanctimonious protestant heretics are doing.
Several times a week.
I’m a Catholic. We don’t revolve around one book - one that the contents were voted on by a bunch of contentious bishops.
BTW, the TRUE Bible is the Douay version, not the King James...he plays for the Heat now.
“well remain powerless “
Uh huh. Sure. And how powerful will you be when Obama ruins America? How powerful will you be when the Democrats undo voter ID, pass amnesty, and turn former illegal aliens into voters? uh huh. Thought so.
You are annoyed about ‘fear’. It’s spelled - reality. 4 years of Obama has already taken away much and set us back a lot.
Stop being selfish about ‘your power’, something more at stake here. if you want power, run for office yourself. if you want influence, contribute time and money to candidates.
This is not about you. This is about America, our future as a country. Ask yourself this simple question:
WHO WOULD BE BETTER FOR AMERICA?
Romney or Obama?
That is, if you WANT America to be better off. There are some egotists and drama queens who will care about themselves more.
“While we live in fear, well remain powerless and praying for some great conservative hero to save us - next election.”
No conservative hero will EVER save you if you are so clueless as to think that politics is about waiting for the perfect guy on the white horse to save the day. It never is. Listen to Clint Eastwood again. These guys are just hired hands. You have the marxist failed incompetent hired hand running on Obamacare and Big Government, and the center-right successful businessman hire hand running on Republican agenda.
Who should we hire for next 4 years? the decision that give you zero power is to not choose either.
If you vote for someome and they win, they you have a claim on their actions, and are in a position to demand them keep promises to you. I for one will demand a clean 100% Obamacare repeal in the first month if the Republicans win.
That’s more than we’ll get from Obama.
Its not MY fault you can’t afford the proposal and initiation fees for the country club, pal. I can and did, so there. God blessed me with an incredible talent and I exploited it. Isn’t that what America is for?
Maybe its people like YOU are screwing everything up...Letting your sacred principles allow us to end up in a communist dictatorship.
I’m not ridiculing Christians......I’m Catholic.
The One True Holy Mother Church.
I’m ridiculing protestants.....and every one of ‘em going back to that drunken Jew-hating womanizer Martin Luther is guilty of heresy under the official Baltimore Catechism.
Damn, get over it already and just grab the cheese to go with that pathetic whine. I am as big a Palin supporter and defender as there is but it’s been 4 years and she is nowhere in sight. Effectively supporting this marxist through inaction over a lame 4yo grudge is idiotic.
In my humble opinion of course :)
Assuming what you say about the talent is true..which I don't, you might want to have a bit more respect folks that have more respect for God's laws than you appear to possess.
Dear heart, you just don’t know who exactly you’re dealing with, go you? If you’re into classical music, (I detest that term), then you might. Many here do.
The joke’s on you.......
“I am wondering how many posts like this will show up in the sixty or so days until the election by folks who somehow think they will change the minds of folks like me.”
Well, if logical fallacy doesn’t win you, perhaps you will be more receptive after being called ‘H8r’, dumb, pouter, mindless, socialist troll, rat, sickening, psycho, PaulBot, self righteous, nose in the air, n00b, DUmmie, bonehead, myopic, silly socon, American Taliban, sanctimonious, heretic, selfish, idiot, sicko, traitor or so on?
Surely there is a good, substantial case for Willard Mitt Romney in so many powerful arguments by informed supporters?
Well, okay, we’re going to disagree on Romney.
regarding obamacare - yes, I do believe he will sign waivers...to not do so would be political suicide.
regarding the military - so he hasn’t served...okay.
regarding Massachuessetts economy - reports are mixed. Some say it wasn’t good at all. Others say it did improve under his leadership. I’ve read both. I look at it this way. I know what obama has done with this economy. Romney has offered his plan which counters obama’s (reduce regulations, reduce taxes, waivers for obamacare (up front), energy policy changes, etc.)
I know who obama is - an unAmerican disaster. We have three choices
a. vote for obama
b. vote for Romney
c. vote for neither
i choose b. because a. is insane and c. is passing the decision to someone else. I chose to have a voice. I believe it is my responsibility.
I assume your objection is because of abortion. I believe Romney is pro-life.
Once again, you demonstrate that you rabid Romney supporters have the same contempt for Evangelical Christians that every anti-God Democrat and outstanding MarxoFascist from Rosie O'Donnell to Ed Schultz have accused us of being.
I guess if Romney's record is not much different than Obama's record, then it should not be surprising that the contempt for evangelical Christians is the same from both sets of supporters.
Keep driving that wedge in there Palp. You and your pals are doing a great job of cementing our resolve and gunning it into overdrive.
And BTW, we have no desire to be part of the 'Ruling Class Country Club". That you profess talent enough to be a statist is hardly impressive. In fact, it's quite the opposite.
But then condescending hubris is another in a wide range of traits you seem to share with the Obama drones.
What ever you say pal..
Obviously you are quite sophisticated and a wonderful judge of talent.
I’ve have not been on FR for a few days and am wondering why you were zotted? It was not a prayer thread, but a discussion on godless democrats and you pointed out that there are godless republicans. Is the RNC and romney now a protected class? Here is what I posted there. I’ll probably get zotted; I did not know the rules changed.
I have not been on FR recently. What is going on? How is Raising Cain’s posting wrong?
How so? If the Republicans embrace injustice, and conservatives not only tolerate it but demand other conservatives praise the GOPe, not to mention join in prayer with Mormons and other various heretics and/or fakers (as long as theyre Republican), how can we say that we care what God thinks about anything? The enemies of God are running both parties, and they use their vapid, worldly version of religion to appeal to people who have no real discernment. In effect, the GOPe and the conservative movement have only the form of godliness, but possess none of its power.
“I find it offensive to even suggest for a single moment that God has anything to do with the GOP or the DNC. Weve long since passed up when truth, honor and justice was important in who we vote to lead us and in how our party behaves. This is simply a secular battle between two opposing groups of heathens, sociopaths and useful pawns, and the end result will be that God will give us up to being ruled by evil Men, since our trust was in men and not in God.”
We all watched as the GOP & Romney lied, cheated, bought and stole the election. That means that there are many people in the GOP & romney & his campaign who either don’t believe in God (I know Romney does not believe in the one true God) and feel they can do whatever they want or do not fear God, so they do whatever they want.
Has FR turned into a polically correct blog or did a very rich person it buy out or 51% of it?
The things I’ve been reading on a few of these threads makes me wonder what is going on. Sorry, I’m with Raising Cain. I’m probably going to be zotted for this. Hey, it’s never happened to me, but if it’s for speaking the truth while offending a protected group.....well...go ahead...I’m going to bed.
When you’re zotted is that like being grounded from a certain thread or all threads? Is it for 24 hours or like my dad always did 1 to 4 weeks?
One, like an umpire I just calls ‘em as I sees ‘em.
Two, in case you missed my post above, I’m Catholic.
I am not anti-Christian, being one myself.
I do think all you protestants are heretics, though.
They aint got nuthin..
A few claim incredible God given talent...
Who is 'we'? You and RaisinCain?
doesn't fly with principled Conservatives ...
Who elected you spokesman of principled conservatives? You certainly don't speak for me.
Your boy got zotted because he mouthed off to an Mod.
That’s a no-no here.
Unfortunately he’s gone for good. Like Paulie Gatto, you won’t see him more...
“I assume your objection is because of abortion. I believe Romney is pro-life.”
I have several serious objections, but that one is the deal killer.
If he candidly stated that his earlier, life long position was WRONG, I could vote for him. Muttering around about changing his mind doesn’t get it, and his recent reaffirmation of ‘health of the mother’ sets it all back to zero anyway.
You have your reasons to support him and you find him persuasive. That is your call and your vote, and I hope you find satisfaction in it.
I regard the top of the ticket as something like the Iran - Iraq war of the 1980s. I really don’t see any distinction that I care about, and certainly am not going to commit to either. I wish they could mutually obliterate each other.
I have disliked to one degree or another each and every GOP presidential candidate since 1988, and still voted for each of them and materially supported them when I could. Romney is the bridge too far, and I can’t. I regard his career as purely negative, just as is his opponent’s. I’ll not endorse or assist or be part of either one of them.
We shall just agree to disagree then.
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