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To: Perseverando
I don't know. I think we should drop this one. Allah is an Arabic word for God. Eastern Rite Catholics and Orthodox and other Arab Christians also refer to God as Allah and so, the first tenet of Islam is one that all Christians and Jews can agree with.

Is Obama a Muslim? I don't know - he certainly has Muslim sympathies that go beyond George Bush's "Islam is a religion of peace" - but this ring doesn't prove anything.

I know all about the Moon God so please don't hash that out with me. The fact is Middle Easter Christians also refer to God as Allah.

15 posted on 10/10/2012 8:11:32 AM PDT by old and tired
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To: old and tired
If you speak Arabic that's how you do it. If you speak Aramaic, you use a different word with the same root. Jesus spoke Aramaic.

End of that story.

Conceptually, though, the Islamic God is different, but probably not as different as the Mormon God. Worst would be the Unitarian God, who might well not exist if you listen to them about it.

Modern archaeological digs reveal the Kaaba in Mecca to have been a Hindu Temple wherein were the symbols of a snake god.

Arabia was on a transnational trade route so that's hardly a far fetched discovery. More recently they found some marker genes from India for families living in Scotland for thousands of years (See St. Gildas if you want to discover what it's like to live as a "sky clad" Jain North of the Wall back in the good old days ~ see why he wore clothes).

Yup, men on horseback, or on foot on well traveled routes, can get anywhere they wish to go, and have been doing so for the last 4200 years pret'near. Before that it was harder and you'd need to stick to rivers and streams because it was really hard to drag those boats over dry land.

There are three major calendric models at work these days ~ the lunar, solar and siderially adjusted lunar ~ calendars. Not sure that following any one of them will tell you which church to go to ~ does anyone know?

21 posted on 10/10/2012 8:26:50 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: old and tired

Nice theory, except that the islamic declaration of faith (shahada) literally begins with “There is no god but allah & mohammed is his messenger.”

Not to mention, christians do not have any history of using the phrase “there is no god but god.” It is unique to islam. I would bet a ton of money that NO christian anywhere and especially in the middle east, would dare to utilize the first line of the shahada, in arabic, to proudly proclaim their christianity.


24 posted on 10/10/2012 8:35:25 AM PDT by 1malumprohibitum
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To: old and tired; narses

Give me any evidence he (or his family!) actually ARE Christians.

They don’t celebrate Christmas. Easter. Go on a loooong vacation every Ramadan (er, August).

He goes to Chicago and “shops” for a local (black, influential ) church that will best push his agenda and future political connections.


25 posted on 10/10/2012 8:36:27 AM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: old and tired

“Eastern Rite Catholics and Orthodox and other Arab Christians also refer to God as Allah and so, the first tenet of Islam is one that all Christians and Jews can agree with.”

Of course, there is no evidence Obama is an Eastern Rite Catholic, Orthodox or Arab Christian.

I don’t think the ring is dispositive. But don’t you think it’s a little odd for a man who claims to be an American Christian to wear a ring before marriage that talks about Allah and then use that as his wedding ring? Especially when his exposure to “Allah” is as part of an Indonesian Muslim family. “But I meant it as an Eastern Catholic would—not that I’ve ever had anything to do with Eastern Catholicism??”


27 posted on 10/10/2012 8:37:50 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: old and tired
I don't know. I think we should drop this one.
Allah is an Arabic word for God.

...but why in Arabic?
He lived in Indonesia which uses the Roman alphabet.

29 posted on 10/10/2012 8:40:17 AM PDT by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: old and tired
"The fact is Middle Easter Christians also refer to God as Allah. "

You don't sound no ways tired.....

39 posted on 10/10/2012 9:03:37 AM PDT by Paladin2
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