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Where are the Communications from Ambassador Stevens During the Attack?
Vanity | 25 October, 2012 | marktwain

Posted on 10/26/2012 5:17:49 AM PDT by marktwain

Where are the communications that were sent from the mission in Benghazi just before and during the attack? Are we to believe that Ambassador Stevens and his highly trained men never let anyone know what was going on, or asked for help?

It is hard for me to believe that there was a live feed of the attack back to the situation room of the White House, but that there was no information sent by the people who were under attack, and that there were no requests from them.

What did they say? What did they ask? What were they denied?

Are we to believe that Ambassador Stevens and the other defenders did not even have a cell phone? Are we to believe that the defenders held out for six or seven hours, and never asked for reinforcements or assistance?

What did they ask for, and what were they told?


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: benghazi; communications; panetta; shadowwars; stevens; threatmatrix
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The business of an Ambassador is communications. Communications is one of the things that is absolutely essential when you are in a defensive situation. No one is reporting what the defenders sent or what they asked for.
1 posted on 10/26/2012 5:17:55 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
As with the original 911 Atrocities, Obama was celebrating.

“Mission Accomplished!”



2 posted on 10/26/2012 5:23:15 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: marktwain

OBAMA WENT TO BED
Matt Bracken 10-25-2012

The biggest stench from the Benghazi fiasco is that it is beginning to smell like Obama went “nighty-night” to rest up for Las Vegas, instead of manning up in the Situation Room and seeing the crisis through and (had he only been awake) ordering a rescue mission.

In Benghazi, after 6-8 hours enduring a few “Fort Apaches,” with running street battles in ...between, (like a mini Blackhawk Down), the living Americans must have been thinking, “Any minute now, here come the helicopters! Just hang on!”

But they didn’t. So even though Delta had forward staged to Sigonella Sicily (rumint) from base in Germany, nobody was willing or able to pull the trigger and send a rescue force. Or even a few F-18 supersonic flybys, to bust windows and warn, “Here comes American airpower, and you camel jockeys know what that means.” Just as a morale booster it would have helped the besieged staffers.

But it was never sent, not even a lousy supersonic low-level flyby. One hour from bases in Italy, max.

Here is the deal. The military automatically does a lot on its own, under standing orders and SOPs. The minute they see that the consulate is under attack, and the ambassador and others are in a “safe room” hiding, it becomes TOP priority. Every other mission aborts or slaves over to support any possible rescue.

At that moment when the critical incident alarm messages start ringing, military steps happen on autopilot in real time. Everybody in the Navy and USAF chain of command swings into a crisis contingency plan mode. What ships are closest? Helicopters? Marines? Delta is in Germany? Get them moving right now. Where is closest? Sigonella, for now. It’s NATO, no permission needed, just fly.

En route in C-17s, the D-boys would even be prepping for an immediate action rescue mission, that is, the C-17s will fly directly to some desert road outside of Benghazi, and here comes “The Raid On Entebbe,” done in crisis mode, canned actions, but they would do it. They practice for these exact scenarios, and leave gear staged for them.

They would coordinate with fighters out of Italy, mid-air-refueling platforms start shifting, it’s a huge show that swings into action for thousands of miles around Behghazi. The ongoing consulate attack is JOB ONE, the only job. VIPs will be tossed off of planes at remote runways if they need that platform.

Or Marines on amphibious ships in the central Med, (if any were available), would also be put on the real-time options board. We used to have a “Amphibious Ready Group” of about 3-5 USN gator freighters, including a helo carrier like a Tarawa class. They carry an entire battalion of USMC, plus SEALs etc, with helos and Ospreys to carry them all. (But not at once.) Where was our ARG? Does our Navy have enough ships for that mission any more?

But while all of that military staging would have happened/did happen during the 6-8 hour battle at the consulate and annex, what the military cannot do on their own say-so is cross an international border without an order from the NCA, the National Command Authority, and that means POTUS, Obama.

Only POTUS can authorize a cross-border hostile mission. That is, guns clear, no official permission from the Tripoli govt (if it really exists outside State Dept fantasies.)

Only one man can pull that trigger and say, “GO!” Obama.

(But for America to act “unilaterally” would have meant the bogus Libyan Arab Spring and so-called new Libyan Unity Govt. that we were propping up didn’t really exist. Libyan sovereignty must be held sacrosanct, even the false image of one, where in reality, Al Queda is top dog in Libya. Even when an Al Queda offshoot is your external “security,” namely, “The 17th of February Martyrs Brigade.” IOW, the White House thought they had a “deal” with AQ in Behghazi, since we were helping to run weaponry from Libya to their pals in Syria. So there was an “institutional bias” at State against crossing the border on a rescue operation sin permisso.)

Anyway, be that as it may, no General or Admiral will order the Marines ashore, or a Delta raid or even an F-18 or F-16 low-level supersonic flyby. They can not and will not cross a border without a clear-cut order from POTUS via the NCA. Not even Hillary can make that decision. Only Obama.

But no order came, as of midnight in DC. And then none would come. Because the POTUS retired for the night with a “do not disturb” sign on his door, punted, and went to bed, to be well rested for Las Vegas.

While his ambassador was off the U.S. radar, missing, at that moment possibly being dragged down a Benghazi street or even raped. But that is when Obama went to bed. Midnight in DC is 0600 in Beghazi.

That is the greatest scandal of Benghazi. The POTUS slept through it, while all around the world, military forces were poised for the Raid on Entebbe or any other damn thing the POTUS ordered them to do. (And the were raring to go, believe me.)

But the POTUS said, “We’ll discuss it further in the morning,” and then he went to bed around midnight in DC, 0600 in Benghazi, with a missing ambassador and a full-blown crisis in full mega flap.

He punted. He went to bed.

God help us.
I think that’s the big secret they are keeping. The President went to bed, with his lost Ambassador being dragged through streets.

Obama went to bed.


3 posted on 10/26/2012 5:24:22 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: marktwain

You would need John Edward (not Edwards) to get communication from Stevens.

He was cowering in the back room. But that is what diplomats do.


4 posted on 10/26/2012 5:37:25 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (The dude abides.)
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To: Travis McGee

It seems like ALL the “bad decisions” from this situation go directly to Barack Obama. Hillary asked for additional security for Stevens, and my understanding is that Obama is the only one who could - and did - veto that. As you’ve outlined, the military response is automatic and would have been stopped by only one thing: Obama.

Obama’s actions were consistent before and after the attack. It’s no wonder he couldn’t look the father of the slain SEAL in the eyes.


5 posted on 10/26/2012 5:40:44 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Diogenesis

Yeah, but he can brag about doing an all nighter 24/7 campaign swing.

Obama, Biden, Clintons - they are all cold fish - that’s how Charles Woods father of the slain Seal, Tyrone Woods, described them.


6 posted on 10/26/2012 5:41:26 AM PDT by A'elian' nation (Political correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred. Jacques Barzun)
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To: Vermont Lt
He was cowering in the back room. But that is what diplomats do.

You are probably correct. I have a hard time believing that he was not on the phone in that room, desperately asking for assistance and for updates on when it would arrive.

7 posted on 10/26/2012 5:42:44 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: Honeybunch

Ping to 3.


8 posted on 10/26/2012 5:43:23 AM PDT by OKSooner
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To: marktwain
Where are the Communications from Ambassador Stevens During the Attack?

Probably in the same place 0bama's REAL BC is.

9 posted on 10/26/2012 5:45:37 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty ( For AMERICA's sake: Vote for the Mormon, NOT the muslim; The Capitalist, NOT the Communist! FUBO!)
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To: butterdezillion
I agree. This is scandal upon scandal:

1. A “deal” with Al Qaeda in Benghazi (17th Feb Martyr's Brigade for outside security!) in return for

2. Running guns from the Libyan stockpiles to Al Qaeda groups in Syria.

3. Obama couldn't pull the trigger on a rescue and upset the above-outlined disgusting applecart,

4. So he punted and went to bed, while his ambassador was missing and was being dragged in the streets, because resting up for Las Vegas was more important to him.

5. And finally, to cover up his malfeasance and dereliction of duty, he cooked up the “The Mohamed Video Did It” cover and excuse, even taking this pro-sharia “we understand your anger” apology message to the U.N. on Sept. 25, two weeks later.

10 posted on 10/26/2012 5:48:03 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: marktwain
Listen to this:

Direct link to interview:

http://d24edc7kaf4agn.cloudfront.net/3650/rhiDownloadVariant/10-12-col-hunt.mp3?rhihttphost=audio.wrko.com

Col. David Hunt explains how at least 12 command centers got near INSTANTANEOUS info when the Benghazi consulate was attacked, including a manned WH situation room. Hundreds of government personnel listened/watched for 6 hours in real time as the attack ensued. Hunt says it is standard operating procedure when an embassy is attacked.

WH gave no military order to intervene.

They knew almost immediately that there was NO protest, NO mob-— just a surgical jihad operation viewed instantaneously in real time by governmental operations centers all over the world, including CIA, Dept of State and WH situation room, for over 6 hours.

In short, everyone knew, almost immediately, what happened in Benghazi was an act of war.

11 posted on 10/26/2012 5:48:46 AM PDT by randita
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To: Diogenesis; All

Given the recent events, that New Yorker cover seems positively prescient.


12 posted on 10/26/2012 5:50:35 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: Travis McGee

...”Here is the deal. The military automatically does a lot on its own, under standing orders and SOPs. The minute they see that the consulate is under attack, and the ambassador and others are in a “safe room” hiding, it becomes TOP priority. Every other mission aborts or slaves over to support any possible rescue.

“At that moment when the critical incident alarm messages start ringing, military steps happen on autopilot in real time. Everybody in the Navy and USAF chain of command swings into a crisis contingency plan mode. What ships are closest? Helicopters? Marines? Delta is in Germany? Get them moving right now. Where is closest? Sigonella, for now. It’s NATO, no permission needed, just fly.”

Thank you for this post. It needs to be broadcast

Can you send this please share this info with Romney, Rush and Drudge?

And thank you for your service helping to keep my family and our Country safe.


13 posted on 10/26/2012 5:54:04 AM PDT by John Galt's cousin (Constitutional Conservatism NOW! * * * * * * * * * * Repeal the 17th Amendment!)
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To: marktwain

It will come out that there were phone calls, radios, emergency lines, sat uplinks, you name it. The comm guys LIVE for those moments, all of their comm plans come down to “what if TSHTF and we need help.” They plan to be jammed, power cut off, etc, with secure and robust comes in the “safe room.”

Personally, I am waiting for some Colonel to appear on a Sunday morning talking head show and blow this scandal wide open, like Col David Hackworth did circa 1971. There are 100s of Americans in possessino of the 9-11 message traffic, who know exactly what happened, and why no rescue was ordered.

I have little hope that any “flag ranks” (admirals or generals) will do the honorable thing and expose this shameful fiasco. They are mostly political prostitutes who would sell their own soldiers to arab rape gangs for another star on their shoulders.


14 posted on 10/26/2012 5:58:00 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: marktwain
I believe the communications were all going to the CIA, who was also operating that drone

I believe it is plausible the DoD was not privy to this paramilitary adventure and therefore unable to respond with any timely military backup

the CIA guys running this operation would have been talking to someone in the WH when the SHFT, someone who has not yet been named or questioned. Someone who sees his primary job as protecting obama

Yes Stevens had a cell phone but whether it worked in his “safe room”, or whether he was unrestrained enough to use it, is tbd.

An open source report which probably has disappeared indicated that a Libyan national at the hospital where Stevens’ battered body was deposited, the next day (over 7 hours after the attack) “found” his cell phone and started dialing numbers until someone answered

That is how the USG found the Ambassador's body

Very interesting time line if it is ever revealed ..maybe in Harvey Weinstein’s next movie (sarc)

15 posted on 10/26/2012 5:58:43 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: John Galt's cousin
I would if I could. Just spread the word, or even this photoshopped cartoon I put together last night.


16 posted on 10/26/2012 5:59:32 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

I just saw a headline at Drudge, that the Pentagon is claiming they knew too little to send troops to Benghazi. Maybe they’re parsing words, talking about ground troops when the contingency plan would call for something else. But if they knew that Stevens was in a safe room that’s all they need to know for a contingency plan to kick in, if I’m understanding what you said. This is what drills are for. This is what equipment and troops are stationed in various places for.

Seems to me that what Obama should have said in the debate was that it makes no sense to have an adequate military when the foreign enemy combatant in the White House will never let us use what we’ve got anyway. All the money spent on the military is a waste if the guy at the head isn’t willing to let the military do what it is created and trained to do.

Obama has disposed of the Constitution and the rule of law. Now it’s becoming increasingly clear that he is disposing of the US military. What’s sad is that the leadership of that military seems to be going right along with it. And they of all people should know better.

The fact that the dad of this SEAL immediately knew that the stories coming out sounded like BS - simply because he knew some of the military protocols - tells me that the military people have all got to know something is very, very wrong here.

And the fact that this slain SEAL’s dad said his son had misgivings about this last mission he was supposed to do suggests that even before the attack, this SEAL knew something was wrong there.


17 posted on 10/26/2012 6:01:56 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: marktwain; Travis McGee

Good question; good post. BTTT!

The brave patriots in the situation room room were doing everything in their power to get the film-maker, the real culprit in this “bump in the road”. Right Hillary?

TREASON...in real time...right now...ongoing.


18 posted on 10/26/2012 6:02:38 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: silverleaf
“the CIA guys running this operation would have been talking to someone in the WH when the SHFT, someone who has not yet been named or questioned. Someone who sees his primary job as protecting obama”

I think it is difficult to play the “The Secretary Will Disavow All Knowledge” card with a U.S. Ambassador.

19 posted on 10/26/2012 6:04:59 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: silverleaf

The SEALs were able to get communications asking for help. And the emails went out to hundreds of places. How could the CIA lawfully undo the US military?


20 posted on 10/26/2012 6:07:50 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Travis McGee

...”Here is the deal. The military automatically does a lot on its own, under standing orders and SOPs. The minute they see that the consulate is under attack, and the ambassador and others are in a “safe room” hiding, it becomes TOP priority. Every other mission aborts or slaves over to support any possible rescue.

“At that moment when the critical incident alarm messages start ringing, military steps happen on autopilot in real time. Everybody in the Navy and USAF chain of command swings into a crisis contingency plan mode. What ships are closest? Helicopters? Marines? Delta is in Germany? Get them moving right now. Where is closest? Sigonella, for now. It’s NATO, no permission needed, just fly.”

...

“Here is the deal. The military automatically does a lot on its own, under standing orders and SOPs. The minute they see that the consulate is under attack, and the ambassador and others are in a “safe room” hiding, it becomes TOP priority. Every other mission aborts or slaves over to support any possible rescue.

“At that moment when the critical incident alarm messages start ringing, military steps happen on autopilot in real time. Everybody in the Navy and USAF chain of command swings into a crisis contingency plan mode. What ships are closest? Helicopters? Marines? Delta is in Germany? Get them moving right now. Where is closest? Sigonella, for now. It’s NATO, no permission needed, just fly.”


And 0bamma went to bed...

Thank you for this post. It needs to be broadcast

Can you send this please share this info with Romney, Rush and Drudge?

And thank you for your service helping to keep my family and our Country safe.


21 posted on 10/26/2012 6:11:52 AM PDT by John Galt's cousin (Constitutional Conservatism NOW! * * * * * * * * * * Repeal the 17th Amendment!)
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To: Travis McGee
Personally, I am waiting for some Colonel to appear on a Sunday morning talking head show and blow this scandal wide open, like Col David Hackworth did circa 1971. There are 100s of Americans in possessino of the 9-11 message traffic, who know exactly what happened, and why no rescue was ordered.

We need someone of the caliber of Allen West to come forward. It takes a certain kind of courage and moral certainty to commit suicide with your career in order to expose high level evil.

It is a lot easier to do when you know the media is with you. For all we know, some have already tried this and have been turned over to security by the MSM people that they contacted.

Someone posting files on the internet that contain the traffic would be something I would look for.

22 posted on 10/26/2012 6:19:37 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: butterdezillion

No, PANNETTA is claiming that the Pentagon didn’t want to go forward. Utter CYA bullshit. Delta was in Sicily, waiting for orders. Jets in Italy, ditto. Ships at sea with helos, ditto.

No order came. Obama went to bed to rest up for Las Vegas, while Ambassador Stevens was missing in action and was being dragged through the streets.

That’s the real scandal.


23 posted on 10/26/2012 6:21:24 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: marktwain

The three SBU emails were just an opening bid in the poker game going on. There must be 100s of emails, classified messages, archived phone and radio and sat calls, etc.

Dozens of genarals and admirals have enough info to blow Obama out of the water for dereliction of duty. It’s the WORST sin in the military NOT to mount a rescue when a “Fort Apache” attack is ongoing.

Obama sacrificed the Americans to continue the Libya charade and the arms trafficing operation to Syria.

Beyond disgusting.


24 posted on 10/26/2012 6:24:59 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: marktwain

Sad thing is our fighting men had to die trying to protect this administrations dumb ass policies
Why anybody joined the military under Obama is beyond me


25 posted on 10/26/2012 6:30:06 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: marktwain

Has anyone reported what the WH or State Dept send back as a response to the pleas for help? Did they know they were on their own? Where they lead to believe help was on the way?


26 posted on 10/26/2012 6:32:20 AM PDT by Dutch Boy
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To: randita

Rush ,Hannity, Mark Levin and FOX news ought to have him on


27 posted on 10/26/2012 6:33:16 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: Travis McGee

“Never leave a man behind” has just been dumped. Radical transformation of the US military.

Will anybody in the military care enough to do anything about it? Or will it just be the little voiceless guys who know that without the cover of their brothers they have no hope?


28 posted on 10/26/2012 6:34:56 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Travis McGee
It’s the WORST sin in the military NOT to mount a rescue when a “Fort Apache” attack is ongoing.

And you better believe the grunts know it

This Obama's Black Hawk Down --unfortunately that didn't prevent Clinton from being Re-elected
29 posted on 10/26/2012 6:36:03 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: Travis McGee

We’ll never see/hear truthful communications. We already know the White House machine has set up personal Gmail and Yahoo email accounts so they can operate freely by circumventing official government scrutiny. It makes sense that the abuse has carried over to other communication venues.


30 posted on 10/26/2012 6:40:04 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: butterdezillion
the CIA does not task the DoD to come rescue its operatives when a covert mission goes bad, unless there was a joint agency task force and a plan in place to do it.

Frankly the only one who could send in the cavalry was the president of the US.

Perhaps obama and his WH team could have cobbled together a quick reaction team when the crisis struck... and made something happen......but that would have required adult leadership at the WH to pull a team together in “the fog of war”, a willingness by the CIA to share intelligence with our agencies and our allies (NATO) and admit what was going on and why ...that they had forged a relationship with this jihadist militia and been betrayed by al Qaeda penetration of it.

obama’s taking charge?

Seriously is there anyone left other than Hollywood, Chrissie Matthews, and Bill Maher who thinks this sock puppet president has that kind of capability, can make that kind of rapid decisions, has that kind of advisors in his inner circle which is all he trusts (Valerie Jarrett?) ... even if he had the will to go kill Libyan muslims to go save 4 Americans who weren't officially supposed to be doing what they were doing?

Why barry would have had to be up all night and miss his beauty sleep and cancel his plans to go to Las Vegas to collect a couple more million for his retirement fund.... er, campaign.

31 posted on 10/26/2012 6:40:23 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: Dutch Boy; All

Travis would have a better idea than I would, what the response would be. They were likely told what was available, and what might be sent.

They were probably told “forces are on standby, just waiting for the green light.”


32 posted on 10/26/2012 6:41:47 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

I imagine that information is highly classified and they are trying to keep it under wraps as long as possible. We wouldn’t want the whole truth to come out before the election. Hopefully some more whistleblowers will come forward.


33 posted on 10/26/2012 6:47:34 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Travis McGee

During a college reunion I sat down, at dinner, with a classmate that had gone into the diplomatic service after a tour of duty, as a line grunt, in Vietnam. Like most reunion conversations we ended up talking about what we had done over the intervening 35 – 40 years.

He had just retired from the State Department and I had retired from the military. When he found out that I had done the bulk of my twenty years in Special Operations the first words out of his mouth was “Thank You!” When I asked why the thanks he said he and his friends in the diplomatic service knew no matter how bad things got that Special Operations would come and get them out no matter what it cost us.

Well, fifteen years later, I guess that security blanket no longer exists. Another, unacknowledged, legacy from the Emperor!


34 posted on 10/26/2012 6:47:39 AM PDT by Nip (TANSTAAFL and BOHICA)
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To: marktwain
It is unfathomable that we did not have intelligence there and that we did not send in extra intel once we saw a situation brewing. “We didn’t know” is not an answer. “Hope he calls back” is not an answer. It is derelition of duty. Suppose your wife called up and told you in scraps of a frantic, broken phone message that she was being attacked? Would you just shrug and say "Hope she calls back. Hope she makes it through okay"? No! you would get yourself and every damned policeman and able-bodied friend out to save her before it was too late.
35 posted on 10/26/2012 6:49:32 AM PDT by Puddleglum (President Romney)
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To: marktwain

Under normal administrations, yes, but this is no normal adminstration

Nor, possibly, was this ambassador doing what ambassadors normally do

which is stay out of, at arms length from, or at least maintain plausible deniability, of covert CIA operations intended to end run Congress and other parties such as Russia

Once an ambassador becomes an active part of a military or CIA operation, all bets are off. He jeopardizes his diplomatic status and immunity as a “non combatant”..as the al Qaeda combat milita demonstrated

Note that the “we disavow all knowledge” card has already been played by Biden among others, including Hillary, along with the “some adult has to step up so I take full responsibility” card


36 posted on 10/26/2012 6:51:17 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: silverleaf

If what you are saying is correct and only the CIA people were alerted, then why were those emails sent out 2 hours after the attack began sent also to dod addresses?

How would your claims be verified? What evidence should there be, that the military contingency plans never engaged - and why they didn’t engage?

Surely an actual ambassador would not be counted as a CIA covert operative, even if they were. They are also a public official.


37 posted on 10/26/2012 6:52:47 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: marktwain

More importantly, WHO were the communications directed to and WHO made the final decision to do nothing? Someone in the chain of command with authority was making these final decisions and they are being protected.


38 posted on 10/26/2012 7:00:13 AM PDT by Toespi
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To: Nip; silverleaf; Travis McGee

Did he say whether he had ever been entangled in CIA stuff? If what both you guys are saying is correct, the only time an ambassador wouldn’t be covered by military contingency plans is if it was a covert CIA operation. Travis, do you know anything about that? Do military contingency plans go into effect for attacks on ambassadors that happen in mission outposts where covert operations were going on (as opposed to the actual embassy)? What’s the starting point for the military to be drawn in, and do we have evidence that that starting point was activated?


39 posted on 10/26/2012 7:02:46 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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We need to call for impeachment for this.


40 posted on 10/26/2012 7:06:17 AM PDT by webboy45
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To: Travis McGee

Kind of what made the Tom Clancy book “Clear and Present Danger” so shocking,eh?

The insertion of a paramilitary force in a foreign country where its military operation was not authorized by Congress

to carry out an extraconstitutional covert (or clandestine) mission under the direct control of the WH, whose Security Advisor’s main concern was insulating the president from any repercussions

Then the betrayal of that American paramilitary team when the SHTF, and the potus playing his “I knew nothing about this but there will be a full investigation” card

Great story, good movie


41 posted on 10/26/2012 7:06:54 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: butterdezillion
Somehow the traffic got into CRITIC channels which has an automatic distro list

Perhaps a nearby listening post of some agency picked up some of what was happening and sent a CRITIC.

There have been allusions to a CIA Station Chief “In Tripoli”, maybe he panicked or got desperate

You assume there was a military contingency plan, I assume there was not, beyond a normal Tripoli embassy evacuation plan.

These guys were not in Tripoli, but in one or more “safe houses” in Benghazi

Presumably no one knew where they were, except the Agency and al Qaeda

I used to have a sign above my desk that said
“Bad planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my mine”.

Unfortunately this one cost lives of good people when what they hadn't planned for,happened. And there was no Jack Ryan to come get them.

My “claims” are no such thing, merely educated guesses. They will never be “verified”

42 posted on 10/26/2012 7:19:29 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: Travis McGee; All

I believe that everyone is missing the point when they mention what could’ve should’ve been done.

It is my direct belief that Zero “DIDN’T” want it done.

To me, his going to bed after being told that Stevens was missing, is a direct sign that Zero knew that his plans were in play and he could now rest.
IE; I can now rest easy and come what may.

It was his intent for Stevens to come up missing, kidnapped, or whatever, to cover up his arms dealing to AQ.

Asked it before and I will ask again,
“What’s he got in store if he loses the election?” We now are pretty certain that AQ has MANPADS/Stingers/SAMS and other various missles, as well as Syrias Chem/bio weapons.
And he’s (personally) gone out of his way to try and make friends with our enemies.
I forsee guerilla action here, Sappers inside the wire.
AND then blame games to follow.


43 posted on 10/26/2012 7:21:57 AM PDT by Delmarksman (Pro 2A Anglican American (Ford and Chevy kill more people than guns do, lets ban them))
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To: silverleaf; All
Note that the “we disavow all knowledge” card has already been played by Biden among others, including Hillary, along with the “some adult has to step up so I take full responsibility” card

Yes it has, it just is not working in this situation. I think you are making good points, but they do the current administration no good. They all add up to incompetence, indifference, or misdirection, all of which are bad for the current administration.

The speed and volume and breadth of communication available on the planet today make the "disavow all knowledge" card very difficult to play.

44 posted on 10/26/2012 7:41:55 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: silverleaf; Travis McGee

I’m trying not to assume anything. But I’m hearing different people who claim knowledge of how these things go, but whose claims don’t make sense with each other as far as I can see. So I’m trying to sort out whether the claims contradict each other.

I know Travis has military knowledge. I don’t know your background or how you know that covert CIA operations don’t involve collusion with the military, including contingency plans. If you are CIA you probably can’t tell me so I have no way of knowing how to evaluate the claims. I’m not doubting either you or Travis; I just have no way of verifying what is said. The system itself doesn’t allow me much way to verify what is said. It’s the nature of covert CIA operations, if I understand correctly...

But since you say the message got into CRITIC channels with an automatic distribution list, wouldn’t that mean that the military would have been drawn in? And if so, would that have activated military contingency plans as if this was NOT a covert CIA operation? The immediate question for me is whether or not the military was alerted and contingency plans went into effect, as Travis has described they would. Would the CRITIC channels have activated military contingency plans?


45 posted on 10/26/2012 7:48:18 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: randita

Who was in that WH situation room? This is a huuuuuuuge scandal. Where is our Woodward and Bernstein? We need a deep throat.


46 posted on 10/26/2012 7:53:48 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Yaelle
Where is our Woodward and Bernstein?

Covering up for the Democrat administration, just as the real Woodward and Bernstein did. Nixon was only taken out because he was a Republican. Democrat administrations had routinely done far worse, and their actions were ignored.

It is only because we have new media that we are starting to learn of scandals durning Democrat administrations.

Paula Jones and Monica Lewinsky stories were spiked by the MSM. Waco stories were spiked by the MSM. Fast and Furious has been spiked by the MSM.

These stories have only come out because of the new media. There was not enough new media to prevent the coverup in Waco, and the MSM was able to save Bill Clinton's administration by claiming it was "all about sex".

We will see if the MSM has lost enough clout and the new media gained enough to prevent this scandal from being pushed down the memory hole. The MSM may be worried enough about the shreds of credibility that they still have, to see that Obama is a lost cause. I would not bet on it.

47 posted on 10/26/2012 8:10:07 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain; Travis McGee

Crossposted to TM here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2827536/posts?page=917
Important and very informative thread. Thank both of you.


48 posted on 10/26/2012 8:15:35 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills and none dare call it treason)
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To: marktwain; Travis McGee

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2950576/posts

BREAKING: HELP DENIED WHEN REQUESTED IN REAL TIME!!!
FoxNews | October 26,2012 | Jennifer Griffin

Posted on Friday, October 26, 2012 11:15:27 AM by Protect the Bill of Rights

Those in the CIA Annex requested permission to aid the consulate. Were told to stand down at least twice. Went anyway after being told to stand down the second time


49 posted on 10/26/2012 8:28:11 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills and none dare call it treason)
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To: Yaelle

Do you remember the point in the Hal Moore movie, We Were Soldiers Once..., where Moore realizes he is over-run? That was 45 years ago.

He says damn it, takes the radio and calls, “Broken Arrow”. For that theater it was the universal call for a unit being over-run and it is hard for me to believe that an equivelent call did not go out from the consulate or embassy with every asset copied knowing what was happening.


50 posted on 10/26/2012 8:37:22 AM PDT by KC Burke (Plain Conservative opinions and common sense correction for thirteen years.)
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