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(IBD) Benghazi Consulate Could Have Used Marines With Bayonets as Obama watched Navy SEALs die
True Conservatives on Twitter ^ | October 29, 2012

Posted on 10/29/2012 2:55:35 PM PDT by raptor22

Scandal: More than six hours after terrorists attacked our consulate, former Navy SEALs manned a blood-soaked machine gun to defend U.S. territory. Meanwhile Apache helicopters sat on the ground in Italy.

At 4 a.m. local time on Sept. 11 — six hours and 20 minutes after the initial attack began — former Navy SEALs Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty were killed at the CIA annex not far from the consulate by a mortar shell. The machine gun they were firing was encrusted with blood, an indication they continued to fight after being wounded.

During that eternity, Woods and Doherty might have wondered between gunfire and explosions where the military, with bases strewn across Europe, was. U.S. forces were indeed being moved like chess pieces as the attack unfolded, but none came to their aid because no one gave the order.

President Obama, perhaps preoccupied with his upcoming Las Vegas fundraiser, met with Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and Vice President Joe Biden in the Oval Office at 5 p.m. ET, a little more than an hour after the onset of the attack.

He could have given the order but did not, even after an email, in which the al-Qaida-tied group Ansar al-Sharia claimed responsibility, arrived at 6:07 p.m. ET to a distribution list that included the White House Situation Room.

A Special Operations force went from central Europe to Naval Air Station Sigonella in southern Italy, just 480 miles from Benghazi. F-16s and Apache helicopters remained parked and unused at Aviano Air Base in northern Italy. Two Navy destroyers already in the Mediterranean Sea were moved off the coast of Libya on the day of the attack but were never used. The question is: Why not?

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TOPICS: Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: bayonets; benghazi; benghazigate; consulate; ibd; ibdbenghazi; navyseals; shadowwars; threatmatrix; waronterror

1 posted on 10/29/2012 2:55:36 PM PDT by raptor22
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To: raptor22
Tell us 0bama . . .
Did you get a tingle up your leg as you watched Navy Seals die?
2 posted on 10/29/2012 3:08:55 PM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: raptor22

If the administration’s argument tat our military can be reduced due to the technologies available, then. Where was it?

If we reduce our military the way Obama wants, it will be so lean that the administration will be afraid to use the limited resources, for fear of losing a good percentage of them in any instance. They will likely be overwhelmed by masses of poorly trained enemy forces.


3 posted on 10/29/2012 3:10:22 PM PDT by Real Cynic No More
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To: raptor22

4 posted on 10/29/2012 3:12:39 PM PDT by Nateman (If liberals are not screaming you are doing it wrong!)
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To: Nateman

“Somebody find me one of those uh...boats that go under uh... water.”


5 posted on 10/29/2012 3:18:26 PM PDT by haroldeveryman
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To: raptor22

I’m still waiting on an answer as to why we needed to be there in the first place.


6 posted on 10/29/2012 3:27:52 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek

Read THE ILLINOIS PAY TO PLAY BLOG!!! It explains why Obama is messing around in the Middle East. It’s always about money!


7 posted on 10/29/2012 3:31:14 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: raptor22
The Embassy being willfully made to be utterly DEFENSELESS with the security draw-down beforehand lies at the core of this event. The bad guys got intelligence that the Embassy was vulnerable and exploited that. This is the reason for the attack. It started because someone in the 0bama regime decided to make Ambassador Stevens a sitting duck.

A staged hostage-taking that went awry is a possibility, but in any case the initial security decision triggered the entire mess.

8 posted on 10/29/2012 3:35:41 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: cripplecreek
These articles have some real "nuggets" in them...

The Benghazi Massacre was a set-up:

"The Real Reason Behind Benghazigate"...

"Body Of Lies From Benghazi To Barack"...

"Weapons Hunting - The Reason For The 9-11 Murders In Libya"...

"While The Rest of You Have Been Distracted"...

9 posted on 10/29/2012 3:49:39 PM PDT by carriage_hill ("0bummer's a towering figure" - even a Garden Gnome casts a long shadow at sunset.)
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To: raptor22

The Benghazi failure is not unique to zero. Back in the late 60’s, a “reconnaisance” ship, the USS Pueblo, was captured by the North Koreans after being under attack from their patrol boats for approximately 24 hours. According to American officials at the time, the Pueblo was in international waters when the North Korean vessels began their attack.

When the attack began, the Pueblo radioed for assistance, but got none. The request was forwarded to the Chief of Naval Operations who would not order additional ships or aircraft to the Pueblo’s aid. After approximately 22 hours of being under attack, the ONLY military officer with the authority to do so (an Air Force general in Okinawa) sent his ready alert aircraft to aid the Pueblo. Upon arrival in Korea, the aircraft had to have their nuclear warheads offloaded and conventional weapons loaded before they could fly out to the Pueblo’s location. By the time that the weapons were exchanged, it was too dak fro the aircraft to assist the Pueblo.

The next day, the Pueblo surrendered and was ordered in the harbor at Pyongyang. The crew was taken captive and held for 11 months before being repatriated to the U.S. The USS Pueblo was never returned and, TTBOMK, remains in North Korea today.

The captain of the Pueblo, Cdr. Pete Bucher, was court-martialed for losing his ship, but the court-martial board would not convict him. Still, his Navy career was done.

The failure of good men to act is repeated throughout history. The Pueblo affair is one story, Benghazi is another.


10 posted on 10/29/2012 3:51:00 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: YHAOS

I wonder if the Seals were “his people” like the Attorney Generals


11 posted on 10/29/2012 4:07:41 PM PDT by goat granny (.)
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To: DustyMoment

I was working at Camp Fuchinobe, Japan, the evening Pueblo was hijacked. We were directed to focus all of our meager resources toward N. Korea. One of my neighbors from Kami Seya was supposed to have joined Pueblo at Sasebo, but he switched cruises and the other guy got to spend 11 months as a guest of Kim Il Sung.


12 posted on 10/29/2012 4:14:00 PM PDT by Ax ("Bring the Pipes together for the Risin' o' the Moon.")
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To: raptor22
Every time a news person asks the eff'ing a$$hole about Libya, his standard response is that he "WILL BRING THE KILLERS TO JUSTICE".

GOD help the poor goat-herder who is walking across a Libyan desert with his wife and kidS.

I can see the NY Times headlines now : "PRESIDENT OBAMA SENDS IN ARMED DRONES.... KILLS EMBASSY KILLERS. SAYS 'WE CAME...WE SAW...HE DIED T-O-O'. ALSO, SAYS HILLARY DIDN'T COIN THE PHRASE...SAYS HE RESERVED IT DURING 2008 CAMPAIGN AND SHE STOLE IT."

13 posted on 10/29/2012 4:17:09 PM PDT by jmax (Full mag inserted, round in chamber, hammer is back...safety is OFF.)
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To: raptor22

To be honest, horses wouldn’t have hurt, either.


14 posted on 10/29/2012 4:25:33 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: Ax; DustyMoment
The crew were tortured and generally treated inhumanely, as I recall.

Of course, I thought (and still think) assets should have been brought to bear to give the Pueblo a chance. Though I don't agree with the decision to be slow to send support, it is understandable, as things could have escalated fast, especially with nuclear weapons on aircraft most readily available to provide support.

No way was potential escalation to WWIII the case in Benghazi, so I can't see there was any excuse.

15 posted on 10/29/2012 4:35:39 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: cripplecreek
I presume you've seen some of the stories describing what might be a Fast and Furious type attempt to get weapons to radical jihadists?

With the hurricane, it will be interesting to see if the Libyan stupidity (or perhaps traitorous, impeachable actions) gets picked up after the reporting on the Won's incredible defeat of the storm of the century......

16 posted on 10/29/2012 4:37:26 PM PDT by Lakeshark (I don't care for Mitt; the alternative is unthinkable)
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To: Ax
PUEBLO was AGER-2. I was on USS PALM BEACH, AGER-3. We were converted and recommissioned together at PSNS (Puget Sound Naval Shipyard) in Bremerton, Washington in 1967. Originally designated AKL-44 and AKL-45, respectively.

Unlike my friends on PUEBLO, PALM BEACH was the best duty station I had in 21 years of naval service.

17 posted on 10/29/2012 4:43:22 PM PDT by jmax (Full mag inserted, round in chamber, hammer is back...safety is OFF.)
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To: YHAOS

The question is did he actually watch them die, and then did nothing?


18 posted on 10/29/2012 4:47:18 PM PDT by Garvin (When it comes to my freedom, there will be no debate. There will be a fight)
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To: aposiopetic

IIRC, two of the crewmen were murdered, and the rest were indeed ill-treated. DPRK is not bound by the Geneva Convention. Revenge is a dish best served cold. They’ll get get theirs one day.


19 posted on 10/29/2012 5:02:50 PM PDT by Ax ("Bring the Pipes together for the Risin' o' the Moon.")
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To: jmax

I knew some CTs in the AGR program. Been a very long time. I got a tour of Oxford when she was in dry dock in Yokosuka.


20 posted on 10/29/2012 5:07:21 PM PDT by Ax ("Bring the Pipes together for the Risin' o' the Moon.")
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To: raptor22

The pReS_ _ent is an impostor who took delight
in the 911 Atrocities in 2001 and 2012.

NEVER has America been saddled with such
a traitor as Bathhouse Barry.


21 posted on 10/29/2012 5:59:24 PM PDT by Diogenesis (Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: raptor22

The usurper has a hatered of the SEALS. He’s proved again and again.


22 posted on 10/29/2012 6:31:17 PM PDT by bgill (Evil doers are in every corner of our government. Have we passed the point of no return?)
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To: Ax
Oxford was AGTR....huge compared to AGER's. We were 170 foot. 65 - 70 in crew....half of were CT's, rest of us General Service. I was the only Gunner's Mate. Couple of names I remember from Palm Beach were I-brancher Swanson, Mat-men Mayberry and Stevenson, T-branchers Featherer (not a typo; is 'erer',Kindergarden /or Kindergard (?), Brett /or Brent, and a guy we called 'MUD', CTA 1 name on tip of my tongue but just can't spit it out now.....can picture him....tall thin. Can also picture a couple of 'R's, but mind is blank for names at the moment. Think I heard sea-stories about every Comm/Sta and Security Group in the world.

I both commissioned and decommissioned her. Only other one who did was YN1 Smart. Made both cruises ----> North Atlantic and Med.

Good ship...good crew...good friends...good memories.

Not a question, but from your profile, I assume NovemberSierraAlpha. Answer not required.

Take care.

23 posted on 10/29/2012 6:50:06 PM PDT by jmax (Full mag inserted, round in chamber, hammer is back...safety is OFF.)
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To: jmax

Roger your assumption. Thirty-seven years, military and civilian. I can’t think of the names of those guys now. I turned 70 last summer and I can’t even remember what I had for lunch yesterday, let alone some guys I met 40+ years ago. I remember some of those guys talking about liberty in South Africa or South America and was impressed. Never thought I’d ever get to some of those places. Then I did get to go to some of those places. I’ve been retired for 15 years now. Those were some good times, bud. Cheers.


24 posted on 10/29/2012 7:17:31 PM PDT by Ax ("Bring the Pipes together for the Risin' o' the Moon.")
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To: DustyMoment
Bucher knew he would have no help if he got into trouble before he sailed..

His crew as totally unprepared for an emergency and Bucher ran a loose ship and he himself claimed to be unaware as to how much classified documents they had on board.

They failed to destroy a large amount of classified documents and equipment due to their unfitness

Many think he should have gone down with his ship and the classified materials..

while there was sufficient blame to go around, Bucher IMO should take the brunt of it. http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB278/03.PDF

25 posted on 10/29/2012 7:54:55 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: goat granny

I think 0bama has made it very clear that no patriot, or any member of a patriot’s family, even approaches being one of 0bama’s “people.”


26 posted on 10/29/2012 8:20:44 PM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: Garvin

Whether or not 0bama actually watched anyone die, I think he had to know that his failure to act would bring about the deaths of our people on the ground in Libya.


27 posted on 10/29/2012 8:22:48 PM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: raptor22

Some reality checks about the ground situation in Benghazi the night of Sept 11, 2012.

It has been almost totally confirmed that at least one laser target designator was operational during the 7-hour fire fight. And, that one fact, puts all the lies and spin generated by the administration and its fellow travelers into the crapper and the chain pulled.

The target designator is used to designate targets for smart bombs and missiles. That class of munitions is called smart because they guide all the way to the target with mean radial errors (MRES) and circle of equal probabilities (CEPS) measured in single meters. What?

When you work munitions issues, tests and operational, you are trying to get the smallest miss distances possible – mean radial error is defined as a range and bearing from the target to the munitions consistent impact. The circle of equal probability is when 50% of your munitions fall inside that circle and 50% outside. The two added together define how accurate that type of munition is.

When I flew as a navigator/radar-navigator in B-52Ds during Vietnam we dropped dumb iron bombs with MRES/CEPS measured in 100rds of feet. Later working with advanced munitions I saw operational test results with MRES/CEPS measured in single digit meters (97% smaller than dumb bombs).

So what does the above hot air mean? There was minimal, if any, risk of missing the targets marked by the laser designator. So the hot air of worrying about where the targets were located and the possibility of killing innocent by-standers is just that - HOT AIR.


28 posted on 10/29/2012 9:16:38 PM PDT by Nip (TANSTAAFL and BOHICA)
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To: YHAOS; All
This segment on Hannity last might made me cry. Please share with others. Thanks!

Powerful Hannity Show - 10/29/12 - Father of SEAL Ty Woods killed in Libya demands truth from WH

29 posted on 10/30/2012 2:44:51 PM PDT by Larousse2 (The price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance. ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: rolling_stone
Were you there? The ship was overloaded with classified documentation, much of which they tried to offload during a stop in Japan. Instead of allowing them to offload any of their classified material, the Navy forced even more on the ship.

According to many sources, including the crew, there was so much classified material onboard the ship that some of it was stored in passageway overheads.

When the ship came under fire, they tried to burn piles of the documentation on the deck, but were driven back by hostile fire from the NORKS and cold, freezing weather that prevented them from being able to uncap their 5” gun and return fire.

Finally, if “while there was sufficient blame to go around, Bucher IMO should take the brunt of it”, why did a Navy court-martial board acquit him? Given the circumstances, the court-martial board would not have acquitted him unless there were extensive and material extenuating circumstances. You might want to do a little more research. Shortly after the crew was repatriated, 3 books were written by the crew and 1 by an admiral; all are worth spending some time reading so you have a better grasp of a situation that you clearly do not comprehend.

30 posted on 10/30/2012 3:19:31 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: Ax

God bless your neighbor and give him the Hawaiian Greeting for me.

He’ll know what I mean.


31 posted on 10/30/2012 3:21:33 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: aposiopetic
I thought (and still think) assets should have been brought to bear to give the Pueblo a chance. Though I don't agree with the decision to be slow to send support, it is understandable, as things could have escalated fast, especially with nuclear weapons on aircraft most readily available to provide support.

I concur with the first part, but not the rest.

In the aftermath of the Pueblo episode, when the crew was finally returned, 4 books about the incident were produced. The most insightful of the 4 was written by an admiral who directly addressed the slow-to-nonresponse by the military services overall.

We think it desirable to have our military controlled by civilians. Thus the Army, Navy, Air Force all have civilian "secretaries" at their head to direct their military branch. According to the admiral, it was the civilian control that caused the slow or non-response.

The civilians were all concerned that if any assistance were given or any fire returned, it would cause "an international incident". An international incident might cause to U.S. to appear to be a bully to the rest of the world so, without presidential approval, aid wasn't coming.

The irony is that Nixon sent the USS Enterprise to Korea and it was there the day after the Pueblo was captured. Had I been POTUS, I would have parked 5 F-4s on the flight deck and invited the NORKS to come out and take a look. I would then advise North Korea that either my ship and crew were released in the next two hours or one of their cities would disappear. And, one of their cities would disappear every two hours afterward until we either got our ship and crew back, or there was nothing left to destroy.

That's probably why I will never be POTUS. I won't take any crap from any other nation and if you want to screw with the U.S, you won't like the consequences!

32 posted on 10/30/2012 3:34:40 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: DustyMoment

IIRC, Nixon took LBJ to task for not going immediately and teaching the Norks a lesson in Jan 1968. In April 1969, the Norks shot down an Atsugi-based reconnaissance aircraft after Nixon was president, and he did nothing. The deaths of those crewmen, some of whom lived in my ‘hood, remain unavenged.


33 posted on 10/30/2012 4:56:45 PM PDT by Ax ("Bring the Pipes together for the Risin' o' the Moon.")
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To: Ax

You recall correctly. Unfortunately, that was America’s “Fear of International Incidents” period in which we were afraid to stand up for ourselves for fear of being viewed by the rest of the world as a bully.

What a crock!!


34 posted on 10/30/2012 5:56:50 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: DustyMoment

I think the real fear was getting bogged down in yet another land war in Asia. Too bad we didn’t have the weaponry then that we do now. A single cruise missile dropped on party HQS might’ve got their attention.


35 posted on 10/30/2012 7:35:37 PM PDT by Ax ("Bring the Pipes together for the Risin' o' the Moon.")
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To: Ax

We may not have had the sophisticated weapons systems that we have today, but we had superior weaponry to the NORKS and, even better, we had superior numbers of troops that could be deployed, if necessary.

Today, we would be hard-pressed to maintain an offensive against Luxembourg. Iraq and Afghanistan have depleted and exhausted our military - most of whom have come from the ranks of the reserves - as the result of repeated deployments to those s**tholes.

As long as our military-hating tinpot dictators want to play “soldier” all the while cutting the military, this is a formula that simply won’t work.

Vietnam, IMO, was America’s “experiment” with guerilla warfare and our generals and admirals discovered that we don’t know squat about it; still don’t. The irony is that the guerillas use similar tactics that our own Militiamen did during the Revolutionary War. It defeated the Brits and it is now defeating us.


36 posted on 10/30/2012 10:04:11 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: Nip

Just heard Newt on Greta, there are more emails, that he thinks will break on Wed. or Thursday. It is the NO GO or stand down email, if I understood him correctly.


37 posted on 10/30/2012 11:38:47 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: DustyMoment

This proves the old adage, “those who do not study the past are doomed to repeat it,” or words to that affect. The militiamen of 1775 weren’t bound by insane ROE by their “leadership.”


38 posted on 10/31/2012 8:18:24 AM PDT by Ax ("Bring the Pipes together for the Risin' o' the Moon.")
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To: Ax

Well put, Ax.

Thanks for a great discussion, I enjoyed it!

May you always have clear skies and following seas!!

FReegards,
Dusty


39 posted on 10/31/2012 10:43:11 AM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: DustyMoment

Pleasure was all mine, Dusty. I’ll still be hanging around here.


40 posted on 10/31/2012 3:02:28 PM PDT by Ax ("Bring the Pipes together for the Risin' o' the Moon.")
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