Posted on 11/20/2012 6:01:49 AM PST by marktwain
It’s not necessary or legally required, correct. However, I’ve always erred on the side of giving them my CWP at a minimum. It’s been several years since I’ve had a cop at my car door, but seeing how things have been going in this country as of late, I’ll likely be abstaining from over-providing of information from now on.
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I hit the wrong reply button...my request for citation was intended for yefragetuwrabrumuy
Sorry.
Officer orders, "Sir, I need you step out of the vehicle." Okay, I tell him and that I have a dog and need to secure him. I roll the window halfway up, turnoff the vehicle and take the keys (smart dog).
As I exit the vehicle, he walks up and gives me the need to see my license routine. I remove my wallet for the license, he shines his light so I can find it. I pulled out my CCW permit first and hand it to him.
He asks, "Are you carrying?" I respond, "Yep, right front pocket." He responds, "Let's just leave it there."
He suggests that we walk back behind my truck to for safety. I follow, he says he stopped me for crossing the "fog line". He lets me go after he sees I'm not DUI, and we shake hands on it.
Agreed. There is no reason to advise an officer that you are packing unless required by law. All that does is ensure that you are going to have a worse experience than a ticket. I was a passenger and the driver advised the officer, and it wound up being a MAJOR hassle that took almost an hour to write a ticket.
By the time the officer leaves, we were sitting in the car, ticket in hand, pissed off and retrieving the gun from the trunk (which was searched by the officer before locking it there) and asking ourselves how that was helpful.
Never volunteer this information to Law Enforcement unless required.
I’ve had two experiences with being pulled over by police officers while I was carrying. Once in a speed trap (I was guilty) by the Kenmore (WA) police, and once by the Washington State Patrol on the Olympic peninsula for expired tabs. On both occasions I handed them my permit along with my license, registration and proof of insurance and told them that I had a firearm on my person. They both asked me where it was and I told them it was in my right front pocket (j-frame S&W in a pocket holster). They then told me to simply leave it where it is, and thanked me for telling them about it. Both officers behaved in a very professional manner and treated me with courtesy and respect. We conducted our business and I went on my way...with a deserved citation for speeding in the former case, and a friendly warning in the other. I did have both hands on the wheel as they approached, as I’d read that advice in the past.
With all do respect to the LEO here, someone intending to shoot him, isn’t going to hand over the gun.
I’ve seen enough LEOs trying to check firearms at gunshows, to know that many will accidently shoot themselves with my gun, if they take it back and try to unload it. I wonder if I will then get charged or sued?
Terrible advice. In Colorado if you have a gun, shut up. The cop doesn’t care unless you are handling one or pointing it at him. Simply let him do his job and stop trying to be a self-centered idiot bragging that you have a CCW or that you are “a responsible citizen exercising my right to carry in a vehicle”. He doesn’t care. Just don’t go making an issue about it.
P.S. In Colorado we are not required to tell the cop about a CCW, hand it to him, or tell him about any firearm unless he asks. Hell, he can go back to his vehicle and find that out pretty quick. It is totally a non issue and cops don’t appreciate someone trying to make it an issue.
In the 18 months since I have had my CCW, I have yet to be pulled over. However, I have a course of action all ready:
Hands on steering wheel, I state, “Sir, I am licensed to carry concealed. How would you like me to proceed?”
Holding onto your weapon for a couple of minutes OK. Handing it back to you unloaded and in pieces is BS. Once its established that you are a legal CCW that should be the end of it. 90 million legal gun owners didn’t shoot anybody yesterday.
I had 14 years at a state LEO level. I never once unarmed anyone who was legally carrying, only told them don’t touch it while I am here. I told many a female on the side of the road the benefits of carrying.
The problem with differences in how officers handle this stems from who runs these agencies. Almost every guy I worked with did not care that you were carrying and felt basically like I did, they expected you had one somewhere. The goobers that write articles like this are the ones who get promoted for their “insight into public interaction”, my big a__.
I expected everyone I stopped to be carrying legal or not ( and my term for not was you are not committing a crime or a felon ).
As a private citizen now I do not tell them I am carrying unless they ask me to get out of car and then only if it is actually on me and not in console. If this micro-managing pansy unloaded my magazine and put my weapon in the back seat, I would exit vehicle and re-gain control of MY weapon it would be re-loaded with one of my many extra clips before he got his seat belt back on. Jerk.
Thank you for your service. We could use more like you.
They are out there but they do not get publicity in the MSM.
I have not, and would never take anybodies gun on a traffic stop. Carrying concealed is a “get out of ticket free” card with me.
Interesting advice.
Louisiana requires about 8 hours of instruction as part of the permit process along with a background check an etc. The instructor was a retired LEO.
Now, I'm going to make a couple of observations that are my opinions only. 1.) This deputy has had very little experience with CCW holders (or for that matter people legally possessing f/a’s.) I draw that conclusion from his remarks about he'd be unhappy if he found you were legally possessing a f/a but didn't tell him (unless it's required by state law), his need to seize your legally held firearm(and yes, when an officer takes your property it's a seizure), running it for stolen, unloading it and then telling you not to mess with it until he's long gone! This all smacks of someone who believes all gunowners are potential cop killers.
2). This deputy is NOT an advocate of citizens legally carry f/a’s. If he was, he'd appreciate the fact aCCW holder went through the trouble to become licensed and has taken on the personal responsibility not to become a victim.
3.) This deputy does not even like guns. It has been my experience that law enforcement officers who are firearms aficionados usually respond to a CCW’s notice that they are armed is “What’ca carrying? Oh, yeah Kimber’s are great guns. Could I see it? Nice! Here's your gun back. Thanks. Have a nice day, sir.”
4.) Final note to the deputy. Licensed CCW holders ARE NOT a threat to you. They are law abiding citizens exercising their constitutional rights. Be respectful of their decision even if you don't agree with it. After all, you're asking them to respect your constitutional authority to stop and investigate them!
Just my .02 cents for what it's worth.
Here is one that is DOJ, via the DEA.
http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/pubs/brochures/steroids/lawenforcement/index.html
In states like California, cops are becoming bagmen for transferring the citizens’ money to the state. The days of Officer Friendly giving you a warning are over.
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