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Obama's Gun Ban List Leaked
Examiner.com ^ | November 26, 2012 | Dave Gibson

Posted on 12/21/2012 8:37:06 AM PST by txnativegop

On Monday, Alan Korwin, 2nd Amendment activist and author of Gun Laws of America, published a preliminary list of firearms and firearms accessories to be included in the yet-to-be announced, but much anticipated new version of the so-called Assault Weapons Ban.

The chief sponsor of the last ban, Sen. Diane Feinstein is said to be crafting new legislation now, which, if passed, President Obama would undoubtedly sign.

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To: txnativegop
The last big dustup China had with Russia was around 1969 over that Amur river area. Both sides traded conventional fire and sustained casualties with Russia eventually making very real threats of using nukes to end the affair once and for all. The Chinese settled down. This was when China was far more aggressive to the Russians.

China is ambitious but sees more benefit, for now, as a economic power and a better return on their investment by flexing their muscle in the South China sea area

101 posted on 12/21/2012 10:17:10 AM PST by Polynikes (Hakkaa Palle)
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To: Polynikes

Well then, what is stop the Chinese from renting the area for their use (so to speak); Putin probably needs the money and it is a very long way from Moscow. Help would be difficult to send.


102 posted on 12/21/2012 10:24:34 AM PST by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: longtermmemmory
we have to shut the entire debate down.

When you have figured out a way to do that I suggest you get a contract with the GOP.
103 posted on 12/21/2012 10:25:08 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: txnativegop

Concord Bridge is dead ahead. Don’t fire until you see the whites of their eyes.


104 posted on 12/21/2012 10:26:00 AM PST by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: txnativegop

If the bill doesn’t go through Congress, he’ll just executive order it. :(


105 posted on 12/21/2012 10:28:06 AM PST by Tzimisce (What do you do when every every branch of the government is corrupt and aligned against you?)
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To: TexasRepublic

I hear you!


106 posted on 12/21/2012 10:34:44 AM PST by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: txnativegop
The Russians don't have all their military deployed around Moscow and their army is not a Czarist era force that depends on horse and rail for movement. Russia maintains a considerable military presence under their Far East command and Vladivostok is a major base.

The sea lanes through the South China sea hold a better promise of economic strength for the Chinese. The recent disputes with the Philippines over ownership of few rocks give evidence of that. A conflict with India over dominance in the Indian Ocean would be more likely, although not likely yet.

107 posted on 12/21/2012 10:43:34 AM PST by Polynikes (Hakkaa Palle)
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To: jaydubya2

Unless you want to pay triple the price, you cannot find an AR rifle in stock at retail anywhere. EVERYONE is sold out.

LLS


108 posted on 12/21/2012 10:44:04 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (A child is born in Bethlehem KING of KINGS)
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To: txnativegop

Obviously this is much more than they’d ever expect to get.

They allow a few to scratch off the list so it appears they are compromising.

Cmon guys this is negotiation 101.

I would want our side’s list to be a blank page of paper, to complement theirs.


109 posted on 12/21/2012 10:44:23 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Tzimisce
If he thinks he has the support necessary to implement such a stupid move, let him try.

The way I see it, the left is not going to like the outcome.

110 posted on 12/21/2012 10:44:48 AM PST by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: Hoodat
You have a 10mm Glock in working order - conversions are said to work perfectly, but conversion barrels might be in short supply, you'd have to check. Conversion cost enters into the picture, too - it *was* reasonable, who knows what has happened in the past few days.

Right now, I'd hurry over to Sportsman's Guide and order some 10mm ammo, much of which is still showing "In Stock"... even the 60-round packs of Federal Hydra-shock. Other ammo sources might have it as well, but don't wait and ponder the choices. Beef up your ammo supply now and use the Glock as-is.

The .40 ammo is more plentiful overall, but also a LOT more popular, so you may be wasting time hoping to go in that direction.

111 posted on 12/21/2012 10:46:16 AM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: txnativegop

Anyone have any experience or knowledge about Thermold Magazines? I am looking for two Magazines for an Armalite AR-180 rifle and it looks like Thermold is the only one selling a magazine specifically manufactured for the AR-180. There is about a two week back order on these Mags which I don’t mind if I can get them. $45 for two.


112 posted on 12/21/2012 10:48:13 AM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: txnativegop

ping gun bans


113 posted on 12/21/2012 10:49:09 AM PST by TNoldman (AN AMERICAN FOR A MUSLIM/BHO FREE AMERICA.)
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To: jaydubya2

RE: Prices going up

http://www.gunsnet.net/showthread.php?21794-Contest-Let-s-see-who-can-find-the-most-ridiculous-firearm-or-magazine-prices

You won’t believe it... $15 mags going for $78 each in 100 quantities. $800 rifles with buy now prices of $2500. It is alreridiculouslous.


114 posted on 12/21/2012 10:53:17 AM PST by El Laton Caliente (NRA Life Member & www.Gunsnet.net Moderator)
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To: G Larry
What does “ban” mean?

What does "infringe" mean? Rather than getting hung up in technicalites the founders used the most inclusive word "infringe". (Some state constitutions say "question").

The 1994 Crime Bill was an act of War, but the people waited, because it had a sunset provision. I don't think there are enough votes in the House to pass a similar bill. But if one does pass, then their intensions are clear. They mean to destroy us. It has NEVER been about crime. It's about diarming their opposition.

115 posted on 12/21/2012 10:53:50 AM PST by nonsporting
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To: snuffy smiff
FWIW, the FBI gave up on the 10mm during testing because it was too stout and tended to go thru perps(and most everything else) instead of lodging inside the body where it does more damage.

Does this mean I should go for heavier bullet rather than higher muzzle velocity? Or should I simply look for something that has high fragmentation on contact?

116 posted on 12/21/2012 10:55:32 AM PST by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)
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To: txnativegop

It has always been about handguns. Assault rifles was just a decoy to try and get their anti-gun foot in the door.

Once they get a ban on AWs then they will use the same reasons to go after handguns.

John Kennedy killed with a 5 shot bolt action rifle.

Bobby Kennedy killed with a .22 Iver Johnson Cadet revolver.

George Wallace wounded with a 5 shot Charter Arms .38spl.

Gerald Ford attacked with a 7 shot 1911 semi auto.

Edmond OK post office with two National Guard 7 shot 1911 pistols.

Ronald Reagan and Jim Brady shot with an RG-14 .22 pistol.

Ronald Gene Simmons killed his family and neighbors...H&R .22 revolver and a Ruger .22 revolver. Aslo used a strangling cord and two hammers.

What do they all have in common? NONE over 9 rounds, yet after each one came a cry of panic to ban them.


117 posted on 12/21/2012 11:01:08 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (REOPEN THE CLOSED MENTAL INSTITUTIONS! Damn the ACLU!)
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To: txnativegop

There is a PLETHORA of good material out there. We’d better start using it to educate the shrinking minority of those around us who are still capable of grasping FACTS!

Failure is NOT AN OPTION!!!!


118 posted on 12/21/2012 11:10:31 AM PST by Dick Bachert (An ARMED society is a POLITE society!)
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To: Hoodat

No .40 cant be used in a 10mm. If you do and can get the pin to hit the primer.......Boom! (not in a good way) reload them....180gr JHP


119 posted on 12/21/2012 11:11:03 AM PST by READINABLUESTATE ("We must hang together, gentlemen...else, we shall most assuredly hang separately." - Franklin)
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To: txnativegop
I guess I best stock up on these because they'll be next...
120 posted on 12/21/2012 11:24:49 AM PST by miliantnutcase
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To: Tzimisce
We can get an injunction to block it and tie that up in court until the little fagot is back packing fudge in the civilian world.

LLS

121 posted on 12/21/2012 11:35:00 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (A child is born in Bethlehem KING of KINGS)
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To: LibLieSlayer

good luck with that. very few judges support individual rights or the second.

Judge HATE independence or rugged individualism. This means you don’t need the courts to settle issues. Just need people dependent on the courts for resolving issues just as the executive and congress need peole financially dependent on government.

As much as it is frowned upon, the right lower court has to be selected as well as appellate court. IOW no NYC, no 9th circus.


122 posted on 12/21/2012 11:51:01 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: longtermmemmory

I refuse to surrender like you and so many here on FR. Stay home... if needed I will fight for the Second Amendment and I will defend it with my life. We will beat this because we must.

LLS


123 posted on 12/21/2012 11:59:07 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (A child is born in Bethlehem KING of KINGS)
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To: Elderberry

I have two Garands and a Carbine from them. I have been looking seriously at one of their rebuilt specials.


124 posted on 12/21/2012 12:04:37 PM PST by jim_trent
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To: txnativegop

LOL! Read the list. That’s funny!

[Flames full of conspiracy theories about the mythical “EO,” a Democrat coup, the end of the world, etc.]

It’s still funny, and I would love to see a bill from Feinstein and co. first! [Sound of the bill going kersplat! in total in both houses.]

Put private armed security around schools. Try to outlaw violent computer games (left vs. left), and so on. Good work so far (NRA, all). Write to your representatives and senators. If you’re sane and supporting our Second Amendment, sign the petition for our Second Amendment!

Sign the PETITION on the White House Website on BEHALF of Gun Owners
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2970449/posts


125 posted on 12/21/2012 12:19:00 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: txnativegop
"A semiautomatic rifle that accepts a detachable magazine and has:...(iv) a forward grip; or a barrel shroud."

LOL! That would include semiautomatic hunting rifles with box magazines and forearms ("forward grip; or..."). I'm glad that the richest commie members of the political/regulator class are retarded. Their garbage should get no more than laughter from the House and/or Senate. It will certainly get muffled chuckles, at least, and "nay" votes, from nearly all congressmen.


126 posted on 12/21/2012 12:26:01 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
"They “leak” a plan that terrorizes the citizenry."

Which alerts nearly the whole citizenry to their true intentions and causes all of their subsequent anti-Second-Amendment efforts to fail.


127 posted on 12/21/2012 12:32:35 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: mylife

Robinson Arms converted VEPR hunting rifles into evil black rifles that accepted high capacity magazines. They came in a variety of calibers from 5.45x 39mm to .308.


128 posted on 12/21/2012 12:33:52 PM PST by Dutch Boy
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To: Pox

He didn’t have support for Welfare reform - but he did it anyway.

He didn’t have support for the Dream act - but he did it anyway.

I doubt he’ll care if he has support for his gun grabbing.


129 posted on 12/21/2012 1:20:39 PM PST by Tzimisce (What do you do when every every branch of the government is corrupt and aligned against you?)
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To: txnativegop
That is an excellent point, but will our congresscritters listen to us or the Beltway crowd with whom they spend their time?

I fully expect GOP House members to cave, and then bring back a few crumbs to appease those "stupid hicks and gun nuts" back in their home districts.

It will be sold to the constituents as; "We fought the good fight and managed to preserve your rights in what we feel is a reasonable compromise, given the situation."

130 posted on 12/21/2012 1:47:08 PM PST by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: familyop

Or, as I said, it sends us into a panic and then “relief” when their plan is not quite as horrendous as the leak, but still strips us further of our civil liberties.

Keep your ear to the ground and don’t let people fool you.


131 posted on 12/21/2012 1:56:49 PM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: Tzimisce
How about if after getting what he wants through EO (once again, WHO is going to call him on it?), has his FBI go after owners of banned firearms. Not all in a confiscation, but a few high-profile cases of citizens who own a lot of the forbidden firearms as public examples.

After that, everyone else who bought them legally gets a letter in the mail stating that they are in violation of law, and either surrender the weapons, or provide an explanation of where it went if you sold it. I don't know, maybe something similar to a tax audit notification.

They could just rely on the FBI background check records. You know, the ones that are (supposedly by law) not kept. If something like that even made it to the media (yeah, right), who would call them on the unlawful abuse of power? It would just be another abuse like the NSA spying, Holder's database, Fast and Furious, and whatever else is out there.

132 posted on 12/21/2012 2:01:46 PM PST by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: txnativegop
I'm relying on the conservatives in congress to stand firm too.

"Extra-Constitutional" as you state, would test our collective mettle.

133 posted on 12/21/2012 2:07:44 PM PST by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: txnativegop

Is “an UZI” a pistol? Seriously; I’m not well-versed in firearms.

Looks like my .38 is still legal! LOL


134 posted on 12/21/2012 2:36:08 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Tzimisce
Messing around with the 2nd Amendment is not a “trivial” matter, and such a move would generate vastly different reactions than what was seen with those two examples, nor with Obamacare.

This would be the proverbial straw and perhaps that's what he truly wants, but I'm not so sure that they will get the outcome they desire.

135 posted on 12/21/2012 2:47:18 PM PST by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

The final compromise had better be a blank page too.


136 posted on 12/21/2012 5:04:45 PM PST by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: Red_Devil 232

I’ve never used them.


137 posted on 12/21/2012 5:05:37 PM PST by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Then I guess they are SOL because it isn’t going to happen.


138 posted on 12/21/2012 5:07:38 PM PST by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: Dick Bachert

No it is not! I am writing letters, talking to anyone who will listen and generally trying to get the word out.


139 posted on 12/21/2012 5:09:04 PM PST by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Yes, the UZI came in three sizes all fully automatic, standard, mini, and micro.

The micro was about the size of a Desert Eagle or so and was made in a semi-auto handgun version.


140 posted on 12/21/2012 5:14:55 PM PST by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: stevio

Let’s just hope the conservatives in the House stand firm and don’t sell us down the river.


141 posted on 12/21/2012 5:17:01 PM PST by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: txnativegop

**Let’s just hope the conservatives in the House stand firm and don’t sell us down the river.***

They caved in 1968 and 1994 when they saw the gun bills had loaded lots of CASH for the states to use for “crime control”. One local town got a whole $150.00 back in 1969.

You can bet if the laws proposed now are sent to Congress they will be loaded with pork in exchange for the vote.


142 posted on 12/21/2012 5:22:19 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (REOPEN THE CLOSED MENTAL INSTITUTIONS! Damn the ACLU!)
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To: Pox

Get ready: they’re going to push it.

What’s going to stop them?

They have the media cheerleading and their special interest groups flush with cash.


143 posted on 12/22/2012 6:42:12 PM PST by Tzimisce (What do you do when every every branch of the government is corrupt and aligned against you?)
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To: txnativegop

bm


144 posted on 12/22/2012 6:59:26 PM PST by Vision (Obama is king of the "Takers." Don't be a "Taker.")
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To: Tzimisce

They can push it all they want, and believe me, I’m ready.


145 posted on 12/22/2012 7:09:35 PM PST by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: Vision

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146 posted on 12/23/2012 7:52:59 AM PST by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: txnativegop
Here is my suggestion. Obama, the House and the Senate ought to be the first to remove guns. They should publicaly state that they are disarming their Secret Service and armed guards to prove to us that guns are the problem. Once this is done then they can discuss logically exactly what the problem is and not be hypocritical.
147 posted on 12/23/2012 8:00:27 AM PST by JayAr36 (The dumbing down of America is just about complete!.)
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To: JayAr36

That will never happen; the politicians believe themselves to be special and worthy of protection that they would deny to the rest of the citizenry.


148 posted on 12/23/2012 8:06:05 AM PST by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: Hoodat

Hard to say, now. In the past, most would say “use whatever _your_ gun ‘likes’ to shoot.”

Here is how that was explained to me: every gun shoots every brand(and this includes different bullet weights) of cartridge differently from every other gun. IOW, what works well in _your_ Glock 20 may not shoot as well as in _my_ Glock 20. Therefore, one should try shooting as many different loads as is possible then select that load which shoots ‘best’-in your gun.

Considering the run on ammo that’s been going on lately, this may not be feasible. (Yes, even I have succumbed and recently purchased another thousand rounds! You might give SGammo.com a try.)

I personally carry a Glock 23 and it just seems to shoot 180 grain bullets more accurately than any other weight. Doesn’t seem to matter if they are hollow-points or FMJ, it puts ‘em right where I want ‘em. Generally the lighter weight bullets have higher velocity(but lesser foot pounds of energy) than the heavier bullets.

By “fragmentation” I assume you are referring to the Magsafe-type of frag bullets? I have no experience with those whatsoever. You may try asking your questions on one of the many Glock forums.


149 posted on 12/26/2012 12:16:42 AM PST by snuffy smiff (Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy.)
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