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Hydrocarbons Could Form Deep In the Earth From Methane, Not Animal Remains
Popular Science ^ | April 15, 2011 | Rebecca Boyle

Posted on 12/25/2012 9:38:49 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

A new study demonstrates how high hydrocarbons could be formed from methane deep within the Earth, aside from the compression and heating of ancient animal remains over the eons. Fused-methane oil would be far less common than your typical petroleum, of course, but the study shows abiogenic hydrocarbons could conceivably occur in some of the planet’s high-pressure and high-temperature zones.

Scientists at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory used supercomputers to simulate what would happen to carbon and hydrogen atoms buried 40 to 95 miles beneath the Earth’s crust, where they would be subjected to prodigious pressures and temperatures.

They found at temperatures greater than 2,240 degrees F and pressures 50,000 times greater than those at the Earth’s surface, methane molecules can fuse to form hydrocarbons with multiple carbon atoms. Interactions with metal or carbon sped up the fusion process, the researchers said. These conditions are present about 70 miles down, according to an LLNL news release.

Methane, CH4, has one carbon and four hydrogen atoms; high hydrocarbons, like propane and butane, have more carbon atoms.

About 99 percent of all the hydrocarbons in oil and natural gas are derived from the compressed, heated remains of ancient living organisms like zooplankton and algae. These critters were buried under layers of sediments five to 10 miles beneath the surface of the Earth.

In the 19th and 20th centuries, some scientists believed hydrocarbons could form from abiogenic (non-biological) processes, too. The existence of methane on several solar system bodies shows hydrocarbons can exist without organic ingredients. But the theory fell out of favor, in part because no one ever found any abiogenic oil deposits...

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Science
KEYWORDS: catastrophism; darklife; energy; gasoline; methane; oil; opec; petroleum; powerfromtheearth; thomasgold
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1 posted on 12/25/2012 9:39:04 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The Deep, Hot Biosphere
2 posted on 12/25/2012 9:45:53 PM PST by redhead (America!! Remember who you are!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Unless there used to be dinosaurs on Titan, there have to be other ways of getting methane other than that.


3 posted on 12/25/2012 9:46:48 PM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
But the theory fell out of favor, in part because no one ever found any abiogenic oil deposits...

I believe that abiogenic oil is all they ever found.

4 posted on 12/25/2012 9:51:33 PM PST by eartrumpet
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To: redhead
Yep. Thomas Gold may yet be proven correct.
5 posted on 12/25/2012 9:52:19 PM PST by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Several long depleted oil reservoirs, one off of Florida, have been refilling for no know reason.
Have long suspected that might be the reason.
One of my old bosses (geologist and mechanical engineer) thought that was the case back in the 80s.
6 posted on 12/25/2012 9:54:21 PM PST by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: eartrumpet
I believe that dinosaurs invented light-speed spaceships and travelled to other worlds, where they grew algae and died, creating huge pools of hydrocarbons across the universe. How else would hydrocarbons be found on distant planets???

http://www.rigzone.com/news/article.asp?hpf=1&a_id=122925

7 posted on 12/25/2012 9:56:17 PM PST by PGR88
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
No S#!+?

Jupiter, Saturn and and any number of moons and comets are hip deep in methane and more complex hydrocarbons. Either that's prima facie evidence of ubiquitous life in the outer solar system, or abiotic methane/hydrocarbon formation.

8 posted on 12/25/2012 10:10:45 PM PST by null and void (Going Galt: The won't of the people)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I'll have to go troll some peak oil forums tomm.

No doubt WND and Mr. Corsi are working on some articles for pub.


9 posted on 12/25/2012 10:14:54 PM PST by Theoria (Romney is a Pyrrhic victory.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Methane, and perhaps some traces of higher carbon molecules are definitely possible in deep planetary interiors. But crude oil is, and will only be found in biogenic sediments.


10 posted on 12/25/2012 10:16:11 PM PST by onedoug
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“...aside from the compression and heating of ancient animal remains over the eons...”

This theory makes no sense at all. How many animals/plants would it take to undergo this compression and heating in order to give us petroleum products for decades? And how this byproduct seeps miles into the earth? Appears to be a fable, not science.


11 posted on 12/25/2012 10:40:23 PM PST by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless, indisputable clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If certain MOONS in our solar system have LAKES of frozen methane..
not to speak of Saturn and Neptune I would say Duuuuugh..

Methane appears to be a totally natural occurrence..


12 posted on 12/25/2012 10:44:39 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: DennisR

There are countless microfossils and their traces within crude formations. Moreover, there are permeable metamorphic amd igneous structures that could contain crude deposits, but they don’t, unless migration has been accomodated by geophysical contact with crude bearing sediments, but these are exceedingly rare.


13 posted on 12/25/2012 10:58:35 PM PST by onedoug
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To: DennisR

‘Hydrocarbons Could Form Deep In the Earth From Methane, Not Animal Remains’

Always have and always will.


14 posted on 12/25/2012 11:33:26 PM PST by taterjay
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Before people get too excited, from the article:
About 99 percent of all the hydrocarbons in oil and natural gas are derived from the compressed, heated remains of ancient living organisms like zooplankton and algae. These critters were buried under layers of sediments five to 10 miles beneath the surface of the Earth.

15 posted on 12/25/2012 11:51:08 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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"These critters were buried under layers of sediments five to 10 miles beneath the surface of the Earth."

NOW I understand ..

It was that sudden dirt rain that buried the first earth, NOT a flood, that caused all this deep in the bowels of the earth stuff.

Dirt rain ..

Gott'a remember that ...

16 posted on 12/25/2012 11:51:50 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: eartrumpet

i first heard this theory about ten years ago and it just made so much sense.
But i am not an expert and am waiting to hear more information, just from an esthetic point of view i hope you are correct


17 posted on 12/26/2012 12:17:53 AM PST by genghis
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The earth replenishes oil just like the body replenishes blood. It’s a natural process that will not stop until the planet itself dies a final death.


18 posted on 12/26/2012 12:34:31 AM PST by MestaMachine (It's the !!!!TREASON!!!!, stupid!)
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To: MestaMachine

That should read the sea replenishes oil just like the body replenishes blood. As long as we have the sea we’ll have oil.


19 posted on 12/26/2012 2:54:46 AM PST by Dusty Road
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To: The Cajun

You can never completely deplete a field.


20 posted on 12/26/2012 2:58:21 AM PST by Dusty Road
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