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The end of America: Why Romney lost
WND ^ | January 1, 2013 | Pamela Geller

Posted on 01/02/2013 9:42:14 AM PST by Perseverando

Exclusive: Pamela Geller traces death of the republic to 2 short words

The United States of America was created as an independent nation whose founding ideal was the principle of individual rights. Freedom. Ayn Rand said that “freedom, in a political context, means freedom from government coercion.” America was the first moral government based on individual rights, the nation of the Enlightenment.

In this age of Obama, that ideal has been tossed aside for … “free stuff.”

I have, for some time, struggled with the new reality: America void of her reason, existing without the reason for her existence, her morality. It did not seem possible. And yet what now seems impossible is that America ever was. As we revert back to the age of the primitive, the fact that America happened at all is nothing short of a miracle.

The United States of America was the rational man’s shining hour.

Rabbi Steven Pruzansky of Congregation Bnai Yeshurun in Teaneck, N.J., recently wrote an analysis of the 2012 presidential election that is the best thing I have read on Romney’s election loss and the broader question of the loss of America.

“It is a different world,” wrote Pruzansky, “and a different America. Obama is part of that different America, knows it, and knows how to tap into it. That is why he won.” What kind of different America? Pruzansky’s explanation is devastating: “Romney lost,” he writes, “because the conservative virtues – the traditional American virtues – of liberty, hard work, free enterprise, private initiative and aspirations to moral greatness – no longer inspire or animate a majority of the electorate. The notion of the ‘Reagan Democrat’ is one cliché that should be permanently retired. Ronald Reagan himself could not win an election in today’s America. The simplest reason why Romney

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1 posted on 01/02/2013 9:42:23 AM PST by Perseverando
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To: Perseverando

According to his kid he lost because he didn’t really want to be President.


2 posted on 01/02/2013 9:46:38 AM PST by DManA
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To: Perseverando

Sad but true.

RIP USA


3 posted on 01/02/2013 9:46:59 AM PST by jayrunner
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To: Perseverando
THE END OF AMERICA aka DON'T EVER F WITH THE MORMANS AGAIN!!!
4 posted on 01/02/2013 9:48:19 AM PST by Happy Rain ("1/1/13: The day the RINO GOP-e died--long live the TEA Party!!!")
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To: Perseverando

Romney lost because he was a crappy candidate who ran a crappy campaign and had one of the worst GOTV programs in history.


5 posted on 01/02/2013 9:48:23 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: DManA

Yeah, I heard that too. Guess he would rather have Obama as President instead of a conservative.


6 posted on 01/02/2013 9:48:53 AM PST by Perseverando (Gun control? It's really not about gun control is it? It's really about PEOPLE CONTROL!)
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To: Perseverando
individual rights. Freedom

Now, it's "group demands. Slavery."

7 posted on 01/02/2013 9:49:37 AM PST by Buddy Sorrell ( Boehner, our Vichy Speaker)
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To: dirtboy
Romney lost because he was a crappy candidate who ran a crappy campaign and had one of the worst GOTV programs in history.

Bullshit. Even if Romney ran no campaign the American people knew what they were getting by allowing obama to be re-elected. The people CHOSE obama! The ones who voted for him and stupendously stupid and arrogant assholes who stayed home because Romney was a (pick your favorite...liberal, socialist, globalist, mormon, etc).

obama is the outward symptom of the cancer that has attached itself to America. The actual cancer is the 51% and more who voted for other people's money!

8 posted on 01/02/2013 9:55:41 AM PST by pgkdan (Does America have a Cassius Chaerea?)
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To: dirtboy
Romney lost because he was a crappy candidate who ran a crappy campaign and had one of the worst GOTV programs in history.

Let us not forget the fact that Romney is a Socialist (and Statist) and therefore no different than Obama in any significant manner.

9 posted on 01/02/2013 9:59:58 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: pgkdan
Bullshit! Romney lost to the worse incumbent in history because he was the worse challenger in history.

Reagan faced even worse odds but ran as an articulate conservative and won TWO freekin’ landslides!!!

10 posted on 01/02/2013 10:01:36 AM PST by Happy Rain ("1/1/13: The day the RINO GOP-e died--long live the TEA Party!!!")
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To: Perseverando
Romney lost because Democrats CHEAT, STEAL, BEG, BORROW, BRIBE, EXTORT, LIE, OR DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET THEIR WAY. Democrats are shameless and have NO MORAL COMPASS. 0bama, Pelosi, Reid, Schumer, and the entire 0bama regime are misrepresenting their TRUE agenda.. The big LIE, if you will. Team 0bama drove people to the polls and the unions, ACORN, the Black Panthers and the U.N. 'poll monitors' all engaged in all of the above, including FRAUD to keep 0bama in the White House. The news media conspired in hiding from the public anything incriminating to 0bama. There is no TRUTH in media anymore because 'political consequences' not truth determines what we see or hear.

Our government and the media is infested with shameless traitors and there's only one way to beat them. Discussion and elections won't cure this problem. There is no reasoning with evil because they are shameless compulsive liars with NO MORAL COMPASS.

11 posted on 01/02/2013 10:01:36 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: pgkdan

Wrong. Obama pulled in fewer votes than he did in 2008. He was beatable by a campaign that 1) stood for something, 2) took the attack to him, 3) could differentiate itself from Obama in key areas such as Obamacare, 4) had a candidate who people could relate to and 5) built on the GOTV model created by Karl Rove in 2000 and 2004 (a model that was the basis for Obama’s GOTV camapigns). Romney failed to do all five. And the stinkin’ GOP-E is learning all the wrong lessons in rushing to cave to the Dems’ free stuff mentality instead of realizing they pushed about the worst possible candidate in 2012.


12 posted on 01/02/2013 10:04:12 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Happy Rain
Although I agree that Romney played it 'too safe', you have to remember that the media engaged in the most egregious campaign EVER to re-elect their chosen candidate.

Until the bond between the media and the Fascist regime is somehow broken, we'll not ever see a Republicans or conservatives holding the reigns of power, ever again EVER.

Our ire should be focused solely on the media right now.. They are the target because THEY ARE the average American's perception of truth.

13 posted on 01/02/2013 10:06:39 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: Perseverando
NOTHING WILL CHANGE UNLESS THERE IS A WAR ON THE MEDIA!!

George Soros and our insurgent gov't FUNDS the media.. That must somehow be STOPPED.

14 posted on 01/02/2013 10:13:19 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: Happy Rain

If you think that America of today is even a shadow of what it was 30 years ago you’re living a dream man. That country is GONE. The takers figured out that they can vote themselves our money. They now have the numbers.


15 posted on 01/02/2013 10:13:37 AM PST by pgkdan (Does America have a Cassius Chaerea?)
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To: Perseverando
The United States of America was created as an independent nation whose founding ideal was the principle of individual rights.

This is only part of the truth, in reality the US Constitution set up a true republic with limited powers to the Federal and unlimited powers to the state(s). Somehow that got reversed and now we are paying the price. The BOR, while important, has been a shield for the corrupt statist to undermine the republic.

If a state wants to set up a socialist society that would be fine, since the state cant print money it WOULD have to be paid for. Now the socialism is coming top down and that NEVER ends well.

16 posted on 01/02/2013 10:14:43 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: DManA

Thats a little misleading. His kid also said he did it out of a sense of duty. I prefer that to some psycho like Clinton who set out from high school to be president, or to an Obama who in elementary school seriously wanted to be king.

Being president is a little like being a cop, if you desperately covet the position, it’s probably better for us all if you don’t get it. Id rather have had Romneys attitude towards the office than King Obama’s, any day.


17 posted on 01/02/2013 10:16:29 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Perseverando

Romney lost because he is a Mormon. How many right here on FR during the primary season said they would sit out the election rather than vote for a Mormon? A lot. It is fundamentalist christians that won Obama a second term.


18 posted on 01/02/2013 10:19:45 AM PST by jdub (A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.)
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To: Perseverando

Another civilization “Gone With The Wind”.


19 posted on 01/02/2013 10:20:07 AM PST by onedoug
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To: Perseverando

Romney lost because the current GOP can’t be defended at the ‘Facebook level’. What I mean is that if you argue with the man on the street, in short, bumper sticker level phrases, you’re holding a losing hand. For instance:

“The GOP is the party of endless war.”

“If Obamacare is so bad, then why is Romneycare okay?”

“If spending is bad, why wasn’t it bad when it skyrocketed under Bush?”

“Why does the GOP only want tax breaks and subsidies for big corporations and the rich? Why not for the poor? Don’t they need it more? Why not let the free market be free, like you said works so well?”

“If domestic surveillance under Obama is so bad, why was it okay under Bush?”

“If the GOP is the party of freedom *and* responsibility, then why can’t I smoke weed, but alcohol is legal, when alcohol is objectively more dangerous? “

And so on. The problem is that the people that could be swayed away from the Big Government leviathan of the Democrats can’t be swayed by the GOP, because the GOP is short sighted and hypocritical. It’s afraid to stand up for freedom when freedom needs defending, and it’s ashamed to stand up for conservatism when conservatism needs defending. Including from when these two need to be defended from each other. (Sir, The Patriot Act is on line one.)

Now, we have a semi-rogue version of the Democrats, thanks to Bush, Romney and every other ‘compassionate conservative’, that is basically just Democrat-lite. And people don’t want Democrat-lite. They can get the real thing anytime they want. Would you buy a beer that was 50% watered down? No. That doesn’t please people that want beer, and it doesn’t please people that want water.


20 posted on 01/02/2013 10:20:11 AM PST by Steel Wolf ("Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master." - Gaius Sallustius Crispus)
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To: pgkdan
So you are giving up?

You can be as cynical, defeatist and Leftist agenda enabling as you wish, but please do not state as fact the end of America until it has, in fact, happened.

And until we are riding the cattle cars to the gulag camps it is evil treason to expedite this scenario by claiming it's inevitability.

21 posted on 01/02/2013 10:23:07 AM PST by Happy Rain ("1/1/13: The day the RINO GOP-e died--long live the TEA Party!!!")
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To: pgkdan

>They now have the numbers.<

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And more are migrating in every day.


22 posted on 01/02/2013 10:23:19 AM PST by 353FMG
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To: DManA

He lost because of a complicit media who hid and is still hiding the fact that there was massive, massive Democrat voting fraud in key precincts in the critical battleground states. It’s as simple as that.


23 posted on 01/02/2013 10:25:12 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: dirtboy

His GOTV indeed totally sucked. And given the large number of techie google exec types who flocked to Obama, i’m still not convinced that there wasn’t some nasty electronic landmines going off that day.
The thing was working, then crashes without explanation on election day?
I don’t believe in coincidences of that nature. Some of them would have to befall the other side sometimes. But things of that nature always break against us. Another example is election machines, where were the complaints that an Obama vote was changed to a Romney vote on the screen?
Where were the GOP counties that had 150% turnout?
Every funny break goes one way only.

ANd i was unhappy with Romney over his treachery against Sarah, and disgusted with his getting all the other serious GOP candidates remved via litigation back east. (NC or Virginia, can’t remember offhand)
But after all that, i wish he was getting sworn-in in 3 weeks. He would be better than Obama, and we could use him as a stepping stone away from what i think is an actual marxist revolution.
It’s going to be a brutal 4 more years. And worst of all, we will never get the pleasure of seeing Obama have to face rejection. He will be a pain an Americas a$$ for decades after he leaves office and will not ever be quite the joke that Carter was for example.


24 posted on 01/02/2013 10:30:12 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DesertRhino
His GOTV indeed totally sucked. And given the large number of techie google exec types who flocked to Obama, i’m still not convinced that there wasn’t some nasty electronic landmines going off that day.

Quite frankly, as poorly conceived and executed as ORCA was across the board, it didn't need any sabotage to fail as badly as it did. I passed along accounts about ORCA to junior employees as an example of how NOT to go about systems design and implementation.

25 posted on 01/02/2013 10:33:39 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: pgkdan
I agree with you 100%. Romney was not one of my favorite choices but this election was about getting rid of Obama. I did have a few friends that didn't vote at all because Romney was or is a Rino. A couple my friends even voted for Johnson to make a statement. A few even voted for Obama because they didn't have or couldn't afford health care insurance. Well the statement was made. Four more years of Obama.
26 posted on 01/02/2013 10:34:17 AM PST by Wiggins
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To: dirtboy
Romney lost because..................the purist conservatives stayed home and bitched instead of voting!
27 posted on 01/02/2013 10:37:59 AM PST by varon (If it is to be, then let it start now!)
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To: Gaffer

Yep, Philly, Florida, Ohio, Virgina, and Wisconsic all had rampant fraud. Wisconsin had large numbers come vote from safe Chicago districts, and Florida had numerous New Yorkers who vote in both states. Cross checking databases is not done. And all black districts are their playground because they know nobody dares come watch or investigate.
They know that even with solid proof nobody would dare try to prosecute the fraud.

Obama is a fraudulent usurper, placed into the position by the worst communists and radicals America ever produced.


28 posted on 01/02/2013 10:41:47 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: dirtboy

And if ORCA was so horrible,,why? Admittedly, the tech world absolutely loves Obama, but there is still tons of amazing talent on our side. Don’t get it.


29 posted on 01/02/2013 10:47:02 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Happy Rain

Oh, c’mon. Romney was not the worst. There was Dole. Now HE was a truly bad GOP candidate.


30 posted on 01/02/2013 10:48:09 AM PST by Little Ray (Get back to work. Your urban masters need their EBTs refilled.)
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To: DesertRhino
And if ORCA was so horrible,,why? Admittedly, the tech world absolutely loves Obama, but there is still tons of amazing talent on our side. Don’t get it.

I think the Romney campaign put cronies in charge of ORCA instead of seasoned systems and campaign professionals.

31 posted on 01/02/2013 10:48:31 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Perseverando
In a 1987 Bicentennial of the Constitution Volume entitled "Our Ageless Constitution", Dr. Russell Kirk ("The Conservative Mind") contributed an essay entitled, "The Responsibility of Citizens." That essay's premise is pertinent to the subject of this thread and is reprinted, with permission, below:

THE RESPONSIBILITY OF CITIZENS

"Cherish, therefore, the spirit of our people, and keep alive their attention. If once they become inattentive to the public affairs, you and I, and Congress and Assemblies, judges and governors, shall all become wolves. It seems to be the law of our general nature." - Thomas Jefferson (Letter to Edward Carrington January 16, 1787

Background And Original Intent

"A good constitution is the greatest blessing which a socie­ty can enjoy." So said James Wilson, in his oration at Philadelphia on July 4, 1788, celebrating the adoption of the Constitution of the United States. Wilson, who signed both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, preached startlingly democratic theories - more democratic than the ideas of any other delegate to the Constitutional Convention.

Yet Wilson emphasized the duties, as well as the rights, of citizens:

"Need I infer, that it is the duty of every citizen to use his best and most unremitting endeavours for preserving it [the Constitution] pure, healthful, and vigorous? For the accomplishment of this great purpose, the exertions of no one citizen are unimportant. Let no one, therefore harbour, for a moment, the mean idea, that he is and can be of no value to his country: let the contrary manly impres­sion animate his soul. Every one can, at many times, perform, to the state, useful services; and he, who steadily pursues the road of patriotism, has the most inviting prospect of being able, at some times, to perform eminent ones."

Wilson's argument is quite as sound now as it was two centuries ago. The success of the American Republic as a political structure has been the consequence, in very large part, of the voluntary participation of citizens in public affairs - enlisting in the army in time of war; serving on school boards; taking part unpaid in political campaigns; petitioning legislatures; sup­porting the President in an hour of crisis; and in a hundred other great ways, or small-assuming responsibility for the com­mon good. The Constitution has functioned well, most of the time, because conscientious men and women have given it flesh.

The Premises of Americans' Responsibility Under the Constitution of 1787

In the matters which most immediately affect private life, power should remain in the hands of the citizens, or of the several states - not in the possession of federal government. So, at least, the Constitution declares. Americans have no official cards of identity, or internal passports, or system of national registration of all citizens - obligations imposed upon citizens in much of the rest of the world. This freedom results from Americans' voluntary assumption of responsibility.

In matters of public concern, it was the original intent to keep authority as close to home as possible. The lesser courts, the police, the maintenance of roads and sanitation, the levying of real-property taxes, the control of public schools, and many other essential functions still are carried on by the agen­cies of local community: the township, the village, the city, the county, the voluntary association. Citizens' cooperation in voluntary community throughout the United States has been noted and commended in the books of Alexis de Tocqueville, Lord Bryce, Julian Marias, and other distinguished visitors to the United States, over the past two centuries:

A republic whose citizens - whose leaders, indeed - are concerned chiefly with "looking out for Number One," and ig­noring their responsibilities of citizenship, soon cannot "insure domestic tranquillity, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare" - or carry on the other major duties of the state. When the crisis comes, the people may turn in desperation to the hero-administrator, the misty figure somewhere at the summit. But in the end, that hero­administrator will not save the republic, although he may govern for a time by force. A democratic republic cannot long endure unless a great many of its citizens stand ready and will­ing to brighten the corner where they are, and to sacrifice much for the nation, if need be.

Has The Consciousness of Responsibility Withered in America?

For the past five or six decades, several perceptive observers have remarked, an increasing proportion of the American population has ceased to feel responsible for the common defense, for productive work, for choosing able men and women to represent them in politics, for accepting personal responsibility for the needs of the community, or even for their own livelihood. Unless this deterioration is arrested, the responsible citizens will be too few to support and protect the irresponsible. By 1978 there were more people receiving regular government checks than there were workers in the private sector.

What follows, if we are to judge by the history of fallen civilizations, is described by Albert Jay Nock in his book Memoirs of a Superfluous Man (1943):

"... closer centralization; a steadily growing bureaucracy; State power and faith in State power increasing; social power and faith in social power diminishing; the State absorbing a continually larger proportion of the national income; production languishing; the State in consequence taking over one 'essential industry' after another, managing them with ever-increasing corruption, inefficiency, and prodigality, and finally resorting to a system of forced labor. Then at some point in this process a collision of State interests, at least as general and as violent as that which occurred in 1914, will result in an industrial and financial dislocation too severe for the asthenic [weak] social structure to bear; and from this the State will be left to 'the rusty death of machinery' and the casual anonymous forces of dissolution."

Modem civilization offers a great variety of diversions, amusements, and enticements - some of them baneful. But modem civilization does not offer many inducements to the performance of duties, except perhaps monetary payment, and certainly it does not teach people that the real reward for responsible citizenship is the preservation of a free society.

It is not money that can induce citizens to labor and sacrifice for the common good. They must be moved by patriotism and their attachment to the Constitution. And patriotism alone, ignorant boasting about ones native land, would not suffice to preserve the Republic.

Thus it is that on the occasion of the Bicentennial celebrating of the Constitution, a mighty effort ought to be made to restore the American public's awareness of the principles of their government, of their responsibilities toward their country, their neighbors, their children, their parents, and themselves to be sure that their patrotism is based on this solid foundation. No one knows how late the hour is; but it is later than most people think. Love of the Republic shelters all our other loves; and that love is worth some sacrifice.

Responsibilities Are Readily Forgotten

Nearly all of us are quick to claim benefits, but not everybody is eager to fulfill obligations. We have become a nation obsessed with rights, forgetful of responsibilities. In an age of seeming affluence, a great many people find it easy to forget that all good things must be paid for by somebody or other - paid for through hard work, through painful abstinence, sometimes through bitter sacrifice. Below we set down some of the causes for the decline of a sense of responsibility among some American citizens.

In other words, the temptation of public men in Washington is always to offer to have the federal government assume fresh responsibilities - with consequent decay of local and private vigor (it might be argued that, at least in part, a failure in the proper exercise of citizens' responsibility permitted the development of the welfare state syndrome - that the government owes them a living. In any event, once it got under way and the welfare state grew, the sense of citizens' responsibility and rugged individualism deteriorated).

These are only some of the reasons why a 'permissive" society speaks often of rights and seldom of responsibilities. A time comes, in the course of events, when abruptly there is a most urgent need for men and women ready to fulfill high and exacting and dangerous responsibilities. And if there are no such citizens, then liberty can be lost. It must be remembered that the great strength of the Signers of the Declaration and the Framers of the Constitution was that they knew their classical history, and how the ancient Greek cities had lost their liberties, and how the Roman system had sunk to its ruin under the weight of proletariat and military state.

Prospects For The Renewal Of Responsibility

What may be done by way of remedy? Although America's social difficulties are formidable, probably they are less daunting than those of any other great nation today. The economic resources of the United States remain impressive; and the country's intellectual resources are large.

This essay cannot offer, in its small compass, a detailed program for the popular recovery of devotion to duty. Here we can only suggest healing approaches:

In your own circumstances, you may encounter oppor­tunities for the renewal of responsibility more promising where you live than any suggested here. In any society, it always has been a minority who have upheld order and justice and freedom. If only one out of every ten citizens of the United States of America should vigorously fulfill his responsibilities to our civil social order - why, we would not need to fear for the future of this nation.


Consider

  1. In all previous cultures, children ordinarily accepted responsibility for the well-being of their parents in old age; and in various societies, the children were so held accountable in law. Why has this form of responsibility decayed in the twentieth century? Can you think of political and social causes for the care of elderly parents being turned over to public agencies?

  2. Can you name seven or eight voluntary associations or organizations, not subsidized or directed by government, that perform important services in your community or in America generally? Explore the benefits from this kind of involvement as opposed to "letting the government do it."

  3. Responsible citizenship sometimes brings risks - all the way from unpopularity in some local dispute to pushing forward under enemy fire in military action. How may schools help to teach the rising generation the high importance of performing duties that may be dangerous?

  4. Are you and I personally responsible for our decisions and actions, or are we simply creatures of our environment, "conditioned" to respond in one way or another to events and challenges? Marshal the arguments on either side of this question, and then consider the probable social consequences of believing in freedom of the will, or believing that society, rather than the individual person, is responsible for citizen's actions.

  5. What are you doing to help preserve the great principles on which this nation and your personal freedoms are based?


Our Ageless Constitution, W. David Stedman & La Vaughn G. Lewis, Editors (Asheboro, NC, W. David Stedman Associates, 1987) Part VII Essay (Dr. Russell Kirk & La Vaughn G. Lewis, Co-Authors):  ISBN 0-937047-01-5 Read more, or download a copy of the essay here.

32 posted on 01/02/2013 10:50:46 AM PST by loveliberty2 ( -)
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To: varon
the purist conservatives stayed home and bitched instead of voting!

No, I think most of them came over and supported Romney. However, he had little appeal to independents who simply could not relate to the guy and his campaign did not, as far as I could see, look aggressively for potential unregistered GOP voters and get them registered and to the polls - the way Rove did in 2000 and 2004 and the way Obama did with similar potential Dems in 2008 and 2012.

33 posted on 01/02/2013 10:52:31 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: DManA

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34 posted on 01/02/2013 10:54:00 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,spend it all today;who can take your income,tax it all away..0'Bozo man can :-)
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To: Perseverando

The socialist Left dominates the press, the entertainment media, and the schools and unversities. They get to define what is news and what did or didn’t happen. They get to define what is the good life. And they get access to your kids for 12 or 16 years.

Fixing that has to be job one.


35 posted on 01/02/2013 11:16:56 AM PST by marron
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To: Steel Wolf

Those are all awesome questions. And your “watered down beer” analogy is simply perfect.


36 posted on 01/02/2013 11:21:02 AM PST by 2big2fail
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To: jdub
jdub wrote--It is fundamentalist christians that won Obama a second term.

varon wrote--Romney lost because..................the purist conservatives stayed home and bitched instead of voting!

Why would you both say the opposite of the truth? What is your agenda? Why post against the only people who did vote for Romney?

Evangelicals voted 79% for Romney, they held their noses and did what they saw as their duty, it seems to have been that the millions of votes that the vague, vacuous, Romney left on the table were definitely not the Evangelical conservative purists (and fundamentalist Christians), but the less defined people who Romney failed to make any impression on.

37 posted on 01/02/2013 11:35:41 AM PST by ansel12
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To: Steel Wolf

Right on the money.


38 posted on 01/02/2013 11:38:37 AM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: Steel Wolf

“The problem is that the people that could be swayed away from the Big Government leviathan of the Democrats can’t be swayed by the GOP, because the GOP is short sighted and hypocritical.”

That’s the money quote.
I think a lot of voters asked themselves why if deficits were so bad under Obama they were ok under Bush. Same with spending and just about every other issue.

It’s not just the GOP elites either. I saw Freepers defend things Bush did that were questionable.
Now that the other side is doing pretty much the same borrow and spend, well, it’s the end of this nation and we have to secede and the revolution starts now and all kinds of other over the top rhetoric.

IMHO the moderates and the middle of the road voters are who swing eections. I think when the moderates looked at the GOP the last few years what they’ve seen is bald face hypocrisy.


39 posted on 01/02/2013 11:45:17 AM PST by snarkybob (')
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To: 353FMG

They now have the numbers.<

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And more are migrating in every day.

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Shopping this Christmas season at our local N. Va malls was like attending a third world bazaar. There were people everywhere with their native garb on, as if they’d just gotten off the boat ...

They are POURING in, believe me.


40 posted on 01/02/2013 11:48:05 AM PST by LibsRJerks
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To: marron
The socialist Left dominates the press, the entertainment media, and the schools and universities. They get to define what is news and what did or didn’t happen.

I think you nailed it there. The fact that the majority told exit pollsters they still blamed Bush for the lousy economy cinches it.


41 posted on 01/02/2013 11:52:00 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: LibsRJerks

The objective is to make the West another 3rd world nation just to make it fair.

It’s called global equilibrium — everybody wallowing in each other’s waste.

Notice that Russia and China are not playing those games.


42 posted on 01/02/2013 12:01:58 PM PST by 353FMG
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To: Buckeye McFrog

It’s THE CULTURE. The Right won the Cold War and lost American culture to PC. The best piece I have read on this DEADLY DOUBLE STANDARD is at :

http://tinyurl.com/bz72t4s


43 posted on 01/02/2013 12:19:06 PM PST by usmc19651990. (Islam, Muslim,Sharia, obama, media bAdelson Traitor, chik fil a,amnesty,obama,RINO, Keynesian Kenyan)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
NOTHING WILL CHANGE UNLESS THERE IS A WAR ON THE MEDIA!!

Any ideas on how to go about that?
44 posted on 01/02/2013 12:27:14 PM PST by adorno (Y)
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To: Happy Rain

whatever you say tinkerbell.


45 posted on 01/02/2013 12:31:29 PM PST by pgkdan (Does America have a Cassius Chaerea?)
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To: pgkdan

It’s really hard to beat an incumbent whose signature legislation is the same as your signature legislation. The fact is Romneycare wasn’t going to beat Obamacare because there weren’t enough differences. Romney had nothing to stake his ground on, the most he had was being a better speaker than Obama.


46 posted on 01/02/2013 12:34:40 PM PST by discostu (I recommend a fifth of Jack and a bottle of Prozac)
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To: adorno
War on the media? Been wondering myself.. I suppose the FIRST requirement is to identify them and label them. 'Media' doesn't cut it because it's become too cliche'..

Americans get their NEWS from propagandist whores working on behalf of the Socialist regime, not all that unlike PRAVDA. We here at FR know WHAT the problem is, but HOW to awaken Americans to the fact that our news outlets are working FOR KING 0BAMA is the million $$$ question.

My best answer to your question is WE NEED TO ABANDON THE REPUBLICAN PARTY FOR A NEW PARTY WHOSE NUMBER ONE MISSION IS TO LIFT THE VEIL OFF THE MEDIA AND EXPOSE TO REGULAR AMERICANS THAT THE MAJOR MEDIA IS GOVERNMENT-OPERATED. The Republicans won't say SQUAT about the media so we must abandon them for a party that will.

47 posted on 01/02/2013 1:45:26 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: dirtboy
Most of us did come over, most of us knew the horrible consequences of reelecting the Marxist scum.

Unfortunately, there were about 2-3% that stayed home, or voted third party as some kind of "protest" or stand for purity as well as a few who couldn't abide a Mormon as president. There are a fair amount of posters here that regularly trumpeted their views, even after FR came to its senses, they are a fair representation of those that didn't show up.

I have to say, there were a lot of reasons for the loss, but that one sticks in my craw. These people continue to crow about their "purity" on FR, while we watch the consequences of the dems destruction on all of us. They bitch and moan about our powerlessness to stop the slide, and the irony and horror of what they did (or didn't do) doesn't even dawn on them.

48 posted on 01/02/2013 2:06:52 PM PST by Lakeshark (!)
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To: varon
.the purist conservatives stayed home and bitched instead of voting!

Yeah those damned voters!!! How dare they expect a candidate running for office in a representative government actually represent even some of the same values.

When your team doesn't win the championships, do you blame the people in the crowd too?

It's been awhile since I posed these questions (and out of all the times have had ZERO reasoned responses), but lets ask again.

Myth Romney supports platforms near the same as those supported by Hillary Clinton - anti-gun; socialized medicine; "rare, safe, and legal abortion;" pro-queer "marriage," arming Al-Qa'ida rebels in Syria. So the questions I have posed:

If Hillary became an (R) and was running against 0 would you vote for her?

If so/not why/why not?

49 posted on 01/02/2013 2:14:08 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: Repeat Offender
If you wanted serious discourse, surely you could create a more challenging scenario and questions, not something any Poli-Sci 101 student could retort in their beer induced sleep.
50 posted on 01/02/2013 3:49:27 PM PST by varon (If it is to be, then let it start now!)
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