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Opinion on People who illegally park in Disabled Parking Spots
Indiana Code ^ | 07 JAN 2013 | BCW

Posted on 01/07/2013 7:07:17 AM PST by BCW

This is what the State of Indiana Code states:

IC 5-16-9-5 Violations; Class C infraction and Class C misdemeanor Sec. 5. (a) Any person who parks a motor vehicle which does not have displayed a placard of a person with a physical disability or a disabled veteran, issued under IC 9-14-5 or under the laws of another state, or a registration plate of a person with a physical disability or a disabled veteran, issued under IC 9-18-18, IC 9-18-22, or under the laws of another state, in a parking space reserved under this chapter for a vehicle of a person with a physical disability commits a Class C infraction. (b) Any person who knowingly parks in a parking space reserved for a person with a physical disability while displaying a placard to which neither the person nor the person's passenger is entitled commits a Class C infraction. (c) Any person who displays for use in parking in a parking space reserved for a person with a physical disability a placard or a special license plate that was not issued under IC 9-14-5, IC 9-18-18, IC 9-18-22, or under the laws of another state commits a Class C misdemeanor. (d) A person who, in a parking space reserved for a person with a physical disability, parks a vehicle that displays a placard or special registration plate entitling a person to park in a parking space reserved for a person with a physical disability commits a Class C infraction if that person is not, at that time, in the process of

transporting a person with a physical disability or disabled veteran. (e) Notwithstanding IC 34-28-5-4(c), a civil judgment of not less than fifty dollars ($50) must be imposed for an infraction committed in violation of this section.

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To: svcw

A problem around here in MO is many places do NOT keep the the blue markings in good condition. Many times the paint is so faded you cannot see it at all. If the area is not clearly marked, you should talk to the school/facility/business supervisors.


51 posted on 01/07/2013 8:13:45 AM PST by Marie Antoinette (:)
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To: ThePatriotsFlag

I think that is going to cut down on a lot of folks like the rude lifeguard that I know. From my understanding, a lot of folks get the handicap tag/card because they drive a handicapped person. If they aren’t picking that person up or driving them then park in a regular spot. IMHO.


52 posted on 01/07/2013 8:18:34 AM PST by momtothree
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To: BCW

The system is abused. Lazy healthy people should be hobbled for using HP, and slightly less than healthy people should get slightly more convenient parking and have some pride in themselves. Truly needy people should get what they need to get by, not be elevated to royalty.

I love this public humiliation: (go to the one minute mark)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJUo4JbM6LI


53 posted on 01/07/2013 8:18:53 AM PST by Born to Conserve
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To: BCW

For the most part, the “Disabled” have long ago worn out their welcome in my heart.

“If you build it, they will come.” Indeed.


54 posted on 01/07/2013 8:20:47 AM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: Lou L

The sidewalk “closer” to the school is where this parent should have parked - but he didn’t - this is like the 20th parent who has done this - I’ve said stuff to almost all of them - or the principal has...I confronted this parent this morning and explained to him the law...what the reg’s are on this - and his response was I’m waiting for my daughter...well - wait for for her in an open space or by the sidewalk where every one else parks in the morning to drop off their kid - there are 2 spaces - that’s it...my son is the only disabled child that attends this institution - and the other disabled parents - grandparents - that use these spots as well..it’s just not one parent - but lots of them...it’s more about bringing in tuition to a private Catholic school competing with a major consolidated public school system - so let’s dump on the disabled in lieu of not offending parents of children without disabilities...because we need them to attend and the $$$ they bring in...I think that’s just wrong!


55 posted on 01/07/2013 8:21:14 AM PST by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: BCW

I think that the reason that people feel fine with violating these parking spots is that in some states, the number of handicapped parking spots is disproportionately huge compared to the number of people eligible to use them. When so many sit empty nearly all the time, one should question their existance in such great quantity.

There’s also the issue of people having the handicapped parking sticker/tag that aren’t handicapped. I drove through Rhea county in Tennessee the other day. It seems that half (and I’m not kidding, half) of the vehicles on US 27 had the handicapped parking tag or plate on their vehicle. Either people in that area are extremely disadvantaged or the elected officials like to give them out as favors.

That said, I don’t violate them. I can walk across the parking lot to get to the store when I go.


56 posted on 01/07/2013 8:22:37 AM PST by meyer (Proud member of the 53%.)
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To: Born to Conserve

I did not see any humiliation....They weren’t confronted.


57 posted on 01/07/2013 8:23:18 AM PST by ontap
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To: BCW

Since you asked, (and I do not mean this malliciously), I think you may be too sensitive to the issue, but you have been made this way by the existance of the reserved handicapped parking spaces.

Before such legislated parking spaces, I imagine the handicapped had great difficulty in parking, long distances to travel, and even longer if forced to park far away to have space for wheelchair access.

Now, you greatly benefit from what is mostly assured easy access. This can make you resentful when you do not get it. It is human nature.

It is a benefit paid for, however, by the fact that most others are prohibited from using convenient parking. Honest and thoughtful people will gladly pay this small price, but the world is full of a$$holes and it seems we all must endure them.

I unloaded all of this blather on you, just because your question did make me think. It seems that your feelings and the behavior of the violators are simply more of the unintended consequences we seem to always see from feel-good legislation, even something as innocuous as handicapped parking.


58 posted on 01/07/2013 8:24:10 AM PST by Empire_of_Liberty
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To: rockabyebaby

I’ve seen some of this in grocery store parking lots. I do one of two things, I go to the service desk with the plate number and ask that said owner move vehicle because he/she’s illegally parked or I just go right ahead and call the local cops, have them roll by and ticket the person. Sometimes I’m tempted to call a tow truck but I don’t know how long it would take for one of those to roll by.
Then there are the ones who park in the “fire lane” to run in for a coffee or to pick up a newspaper, or waiting for someone to come out of the store, etc etc etc. For those I call the cops with the plate number, these for some reason are low priority for cops. I’ve called the fire department and they say it’s parking violation and a cop issue.

I bet you get a kick out of calling 911 when you see a fender bender too. People like you make me sick. You are so busy keeping your nose in everyone elses business you feel a need to tattle every little infraction to authorities.


59 posted on 01/07/2013 8:26:48 AM PST by eastforker (Don't be ornery for Romney, instead Root for Newt!)
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To: momtothree
handicap stickers/tags

They're grossly abused, no doubt about it.

My dumbass BIL has one that he uses for convenience. He and I were heading to a shooting range one day so we pulled into a WalMart to get some clays. The jerk promptly pulled into a handicapped spot then pulled out the handicapped tag and hung it on the mirror. I was embarrassed to walk into the store with him...

Maybe God got even with him because he has to use it now since he had a knee replacement a month ago and developed complications........

60 posted on 01/07/2013 8:27:39 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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To: ontap; Dubya-M-Dees

I walk everywhere, approx 30-40mi/wk and I still carry some extra weight. But the most ludicrous sight I’ve ever seen is ambling up into the parking lot of a grocery store after walking several miles to get there, and seeing two 300#+ EBT mamas sumo wrestling over the last disabled shopping scooter.


61 posted on 01/07/2013 8:32:03 AM PST by fattigermaster
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To: eastforker
I bet you get a kick out of calling 911 when you see a fender bender too. People like you make me sick. You are so busy keeping your nose in everyone elses business you feel a need to tattle every little infraction to authorities.

I'm a law abiding citizen and I expect everyone else to be as well. What country do you live in?

62 posted on 01/07/2013 8:33:51 AM PST by rockabyebaby (We are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo screwed!)
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To: CodeToad

Lupus sufferes can look perfectly normal and still have a reasonable need for handicapped parking. Exposure to the sun aggravates lupus. I once knew a woman who spent a year in a wheelchair due to a major lupus attack. She avoided the sun religiously and I had no problems with her using a handicapped spot.


63 posted on 01/07/2013 8:35:00 AM PST by spaced
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To: proxy_user

So are you saying that doctors who swear under fear of the law, will issues false forms.
When my daughter was 13, she had an operation on her leg which required an Ilizaroth (Like an exoskeleton).
The doctor signed one of those forms for only one month (a temporary place card) because he said the DMV did not consider this a “true” disability. She had to use crutches to walk with this thing on her leg. She was to have it for six months then a cast for another 4-6 months.
The CA DMV saw the device and changed the place card to six months.
It is just not that easy to get one, well in CA that is.


64 posted on 01/07/2013 8:37:20 AM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: proxy_user

I have a “handicapped” parking permit in Indiana. Here you need to have a form signed by a doctor to get it. Personally I call the permit my “gimp ticket.” That took a while before my wife got comfortable with that.

When I lived in California they were everywhere. Once the cops in SF did a bit of checking and found that nearly 80% of the tags in use were fraudulent. Heck, I had guys offering to sell one to me on the street, just like fake Rolex watches.


65 posted on 01/07/2013 8:39:49 AM PST by Wordkraft (Remember who the Collaborators are.)
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To: BCW

With smart phones and small video cams and Youtube, you can stop this bs quickly.

Take videos of the wrong doers and put them on YouTube. Then send an email to your local fishwrap explaining what is happening. Then notify the local leo’s what is happening and how to get to the YouTube link.

The rectums doing this are probaby driving luxury cars and are big donors to that school and the church. So those in charge are afraid to step up and do what is right.


66 posted on 01/07/2013 8:45:41 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Tagline space for rent to pay for some of my extra taxes the next 4 years!)
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To: fattigermaster

This kind of abuse is a microcosm of a much larger problem in our country. Those people who feel entitled to everything. An example would be the people who get food stamps who don’t actually deserve or even need them. Do a Google search for “EBT Amanda Clayton” to get an idea.


67 posted on 01/07/2013 8:49:27 AM PST by Dubya-M-Dees (Little HOPE... No CHANGE)
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To: BCW

Every day I see people with handicapped plates park in handicapped spots, jump out of the car and run into the store.


68 posted on 01/07/2013 8:53:22 AM PST by DManA
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To: BCW

The worst problem down here near the border is the cars with Mexico license plates. The police often will not even ticket them because it is not worth the cost to try to get them to pay the ticket. Unfortunately most of the Mexican drivers know this and just ignore the traffic/parking laws.


69 posted on 01/07/2013 8:55:55 AM PST by AZHSer
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To: svcw

It really depends on the customs of the state. In some states, the doctors sign a lot of forms, and the state takes them at their word without a lot of hoo-haw. In other states, they are very strict.


70 posted on 01/07/2013 8:57:12 AM PST by proxy_user
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To: Mac n Jac

Agreed. I have, but try to seldom use, a handicap parking placard. I usually keep it in my glove compartment. I have neurological disease (caused by statin drug) and for serveral months had to use a cane to get around. I still get very tired too early in the day. Inclines and stairs are tough. If there are no “regular” spaces reasonably close I occasionally use the placard, especially if there is more than one handicapped space available. I still feel like I am cheating sometimes...

On the good side, I am at least getting better, a little at at time.


71 posted on 01/07/2013 9:05:46 AM PST by NCLaw441
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To: BCW

If someone is parked illegally, then, I understand your frustration. My problem is that here in California the regulations for Disabled Parking has created a situation in which there are way too many Disabled Parking spots, most of which are never utilized. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve gone to any one of a dozen businesses, especially during the Christmas season, and am unable to find a parking spot for 20 minutes or longer, despite there typically being more than a dozen Disabled spots unused.


72 posted on 01/07/2013 9:06:13 AM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: BCW

At the university, I know one student who illegally uses a handicap permit. I reported him one time since he was more than able body to walk. The permit is for his mother who is a Disabled Vet (DAV plate). Afterward, I didn’t see him park in a handicap space but he started to do it again. Next e-mail goes to several of the high level people.


73 posted on 01/07/2013 9:15:24 AM PST by CORedneck
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To: proxy_user

Agreed. The law should be that they are displayed in clear sight and have traceable serial numbers, and that expire every 6 months or 12 months. Right now, they are being abused but scumbags who do not need them.


74 posted on 01/07/2013 9:16:13 AM PST by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: BCW

75 posted on 01/07/2013 9:17:46 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: napscoordinator

I can dig it. Make the third offense, vehicle confiscation.


76 posted on 01/07/2013 9:18:46 AM PST by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: BCW

Let air out of 2 tires. Most people have a spare tire, hardly anybody has 2 spare tires.
Drawback is, the car will sit longer illegally in a disabled designated spot.


77 posted on 01/07/2013 9:20:45 AM PST by stylin19a (Obama - Fredo smart)
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To: napscoordinator
This is one of my pet peeves. Seeing a young healthy person using grandma's handicapped placard, get out of the car an run to the entrance makes me furious! I see it all the time but I have never said anything, I remember one time when I should have said something and didn't.

A well dress man and a woman in their late 20’s driving a sports car, used a handicapped placard and sprinted to the door of a burger joint!

My husband has a handicapped placard and I have one in my Tahoe but I never use it unless he is with me. I fortunately don't need it and he does.

78 posted on 01/07/2013 9:24:12 AM PST by Ditter
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To: BCW

In the mid 80s while living in Prescott, Az, I noticed a pick-up
with a utility bed and a ladder strapped to the top. The sign
on the drivers side door stated that the vehicle belonged to
a plumbing company. I noticed that the license plate had the
wheelchair logo on it and I was instantly pissed off. I wondered
what kind of a debilitation a person could have and still be a
professional plumber. Later it occurred to me that the plumber
might have had a handicapped family member.


79 posted on 01/07/2013 9:24:27 AM PST by Sivad (Nor Cal Red Turf)
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To: momtothree
Because he drives his handicapped Father once a month to a doctor.

By the letter of the law here in Kalifornia, the placard is supposed to be accompanied by a form which states the name of the handicapped person. If that person isn't in the car and the driver uses a spot, he's at risk of getting snagged.

80 posted on 01/07/2013 9:31:37 AM PST by ErnBatavia (Piffle....)
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To: BCW

Too many spots, too many stickers, and too much abuse has rendered the system worthless. Its become parking-spot welfare ... where the abuse by the many entitled far outweigh the benefit to the few truly needy. Two days ago ... I saw an H2 with a handicapped sticker parked across two spots. If you can get in and out of an H2, you don’t need a sticker.

These days, its more about revenue than about the handicapped anyway. I think they should do away with them altogether.

SnakeDoc


81 posted on 01/07/2013 9:33:28 AM PST by SnakeDoctor (Come and take it.)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Texas has increased fines for each violation, up to (IICR) $1500 for the sixth violation. There’s also community service, etc., mandatory


82 posted on 01/07/2013 9:34:25 AM PST by jagusafr (the American Trinity (Liberty, In G0D We Trust, E Pluribus Unum))
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To: stylin19a

And here you are promoting more criminal activity. ???


83 posted on 01/07/2013 9:36:35 AM PST by eastforker (Don't be ornery for Romney, instead Root for Newt!)
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To: BCW

Abuse of handicapped spaces and license plates had desensized a lot of people to illegal parking in those spaces. It sounds to me like you case is legitimate, but a lot of folks seem to get them because they are too lard-assed to walk fifty feet to an entrance.

I would never park in a handicapped spot illegally because I find inconvenience trivial, and the idea of depriving a truly handicapped person of the spot beyond odiuous.


84 posted on 01/07/2013 9:37:32 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Obama: Brought to you by the letter "O" and the number 16 trillion.)
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To: momtothree
Was it right? Probably not

When I was a kid, I parked in a handicapped spot at the local town hall. I think that every guy at the fire station nearby was headed towards me...and they weren't coming over to discuss baseball.

Then, my Mom (who had just had knee surgery) got out of the passenger side, figured out her crutches, and slowly hobbled in. Problem solved. :-)

Perfectly "abled" people who park in handicapped spaces are a real pet peeve of mine. Even more so are the idiots (and it seems like there are a lot of them in the area where I live...I'd not noticed it, really, until I moved to the Southeast) who park in Fire Lanes at the mall, grocery store, etc. It's nothing but sheer laziness, screws the traffic patterns up, and could really mess things up in the event of an emergency.

IMHO, Handicapped spots are for people who *need* them. Too bad that we live in a society where a card is needed for use, and the simple act of having a card proves the need. I'd not feel too guilty about your one "incident", if I were you. :-)

85 posted on 01/07/2013 9:38:17 AM PST by wbill
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To: momtothree

My SIL used her MIL’s placard while borrowing MIL’s car for months. She then bought the car from the estate when the MIL died and is STILL using the placard. She’s really fat, but she ain’t handicapped, and she justified it to me (without my even point it out - guilty much?) by saying that when she bought the car, she bought the sticker, too.

Some folks just have a worldly, get-mine mindset.


86 posted on 01/07/2013 9:40:31 AM PST by jagusafr (the American Trinity (Liberty, In G0D We Trust, E Pluribus Unum))
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To: BCW

I know someone who contracted polio as a child and is paralyzed from the waist down. His advice for what to do with able-bodied people parking in handicapped spots: break both their kneecaps. If they want to be disabled, we should humor that request.


87 posted on 01/07/2013 9:49:44 AM PST by SoCal SoCon (Conservatism =/= Corporatism.)
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To: rockabyebaby

What country do I live in?? It use to be called the land of the free and the home of the brave, but, unfortunately, nanny staters likes yourself are bringing it to an end. I bet you even go around to some of your neighbors and measure the heighth of their grass to see if they are in compliance with local ordinances. Before even clicking on your name I was sure you were a north eastern yankee.


88 posted on 01/07/2013 10:02:35 AM PST by eastforker (Don't be ornery for Romney, instead Root for Newt!)
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To: BCW

No, you are definitely not being too sensitive.

My dad is in a wheelchair (due to Parkinson’s disease) and once, when I took him to a physical therapy appointment, one of the handicapped spaces (of which there were too few anyway) was taken by a truck that looked like it was used by someone doing construction or painting perhaps. Since there was a construction company a few doors down, I walked in there and told the group of people that whoever is illegally parked in the handicapped spot had best move or pay a $250 fine because I was calling the police.

The truck was moved in a few minutes time.

I’d report that car to the police if I were you.


89 posted on 01/07/2013 10:04:21 AM PST by carolinablonde
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To: eastforker
More like mischief, but you're right.

Let me fix that.

Let air out of 2 tires. Most people have a spare tire, hardly anybody has 2 spare tires. Drawback is, the car will sit longer illegally in a disabled designated spot.
90 posted on 01/07/2013 10:05:31 AM PST by stylin19a (Obama - Fredo smart)
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To: Dubya-M-Dees

We have the same situation here...
My 88 yr old dad can’t walk that far but we drop him off and never use the HC slots...
My pet peeve at our small town grocery store are the courtesy slots for moms’ with infants or toddlers...inevitably, when I am at the store, someone without kids takes advantage of those slots and are very in-your-face about it.....and, yes, I’ll go there...they are usually fat and black!


91 posted on 01/07/2013 10:52:49 AM PST by matginzac
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To: wbill

“I’d not feel too guilty about your one “incident”

I don’t. Simply because I don’t know of any other options that I had. The scripts required I.D. to get them and the pharmacy wouldn’t hand them over to one of my kids. They also wouldn’t hand them over to a neighbor. My husband was out of town for two days. It was one of those “what else can I do” moments and I decided to break the law. I figure if this is the most wild and crazy that I get... I’m either trying to do right or living a really boring life (perhaps both!)


92 posted on 01/07/2013 10:57:52 AM PST by momtothree
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To: jagusafr

“.. some folks just have a worldly, get mind mindset”.

It is almost like, “Why should a person in a wheelchair get better parking than me”. No different than someone hating another person for making more money or owning a nicer house/car. I’m afraid to say but our society is full of folks like that!


93 posted on 01/07/2013 11:00:56 AM PST by momtothree
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To: SoCal SoCon

Breaking both kneecaps seems a bit harsh; I would think breaking just one kneecap would be sufficient. But that’s just me.


94 posted on 01/07/2013 11:58:32 AM PST by Newtoidaho
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To: eastforker

Geez, guy, get over yourself. We are a law abiding country, or, at least, we used to be and thanks to people like you - apparently breaking the law is ok with you. Are you a friend of Barry’s? Of the 94 people who have seen this thread thus far, you’re the only one going off the deep end. Hmmmm, must be you my friend with the problem not me.


95 posted on 01/07/2013 3:48:43 PM PST by rockabyebaby (We are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo screwed!)
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To: carolinablonde

oh - I was a state trooper before I got into national intelligence...I have detailed photo’s of how and the way the vehicle was parked - with the driver ID in the vehicle - and his plate...wrote up a report and sent it and the photo’s to the chief of police - which knows my background - from policing - to MP CPT - to Blackwater operative...yeah - I got that covered...Prayers for your Dad - it those of us that can stand up for those who can’t - will always win!


96 posted on 01/07/2013 6:08:07 PM PST by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: Grampa Dave

I got the photo’s on my droid - several of them at different angles - and wrote up a report and handed that over to the chief - and yes, the admin are afraid of the donors because they need the funding more than they need one disabled child with cerebral palsy! ...pretty sad state of affairs these days...


97 posted on 01/07/2013 6:13:28 PM PST by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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