Skip to comments.Left convinced Americans will not fight for 2nd Amendment rights
Posted on 01/07/2013 8:30:30 AM PST by Oldpuppymax
Once cowed at the thought of provoking 2nd Amendment supporters, leftists will soon attempt to ban assault weapons (and much more) as legislation offered by Diane Feinstein makes its way to the Senate floor. It seems that DC liberals have finally become convinced that American gun owners are too cowardly, too lazy or too dependent upon the financial "generosity" of Big Brother to fight for their 2nd Amendment rights.
During the past 4 years, the gun banning left have watched as American buyers broke sales records in the purchase of semi-automatic rifles. Opting for these and other powerful, efficient weapons it is estimated that some 100 million private citizens are now in possession of over 300 million firearms. And these numbers continue to grow with each passing month.
Yet its against this backdrop of Americas determination to assert the fundamental permanence of 2nd Amendment guarantees that Diane Feinstein, Michael Bloomberg, Barack Obama and others will choose to implement gun bans, demand the federal registration of...
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The British declared martial law in the American Colonies.
But they could not stop the outcome, especially because they were operating over a great distance and the response time was so long.
Declaration of such a law and enforcing that declaration are two different things.
And liberals are notorious for failure to enforce their own laws on anything like a consistent basis.
I happen to live in a small town in Northern New England, too.
There are only a handful of towns and counties that are not in the hands of the DemonRAT-communists. The town offices, state legislatures and governors offices and congressional delegations of all the New England states are occupied by communists or communist sympathizers (a couple of RINOs).
The state and local police are dominated by the Unions (DemonRAT-communists). Even if they disagree with orders to disarm you, they will attempt to do so if so ordered, with very few exceptions. You can count on it.
You have to go north of Augusta to find any true constitutionalists in greater proportions than communists. And the communists still run the towns and counties through the unions.
I can’t predict with certainly how it will go, but I surmise that with few exceptions, most gun owners will comply with whatever regulations the commies make for them.
“Perhaps we can create a site map of the locations of RAT leaders, like the one that newsrag did on firearm licensees.”
An interesting idea. I like it.
...Perhaps we can create a site map of the locations of RAT leaders, like the one that newsrag did on firearm licensees...
Exactly what we need is an enemies of the Constitution list names, places, associates, where they eat, photographs of people, cars, license plates, houses etc let them feel the heat of their proposed illegal acts. A group in every state should be compiling a dossier on those in their area, don’t forget news media talking idiots and their CEO’s and advertisers. Do it now before the SHTF it might just stop their ill advised poorly thought out plans. Get a list of all registered Democrats for future reference. First Amendment can help save the Second.
If every 10th raid kills a cop, the Left will run out of officers before they run out of targets. And this assumes universal cooperation from local and State law enforcement.
The raids will be electronic. The idea is to make everybody a criminal and then selectively enforce the law.
With tens of thousands of firearms and millions of rounds of ammo flying off the shelves, We The People have extended a middle finger salute to the Socialist Democrats.
You WILL NOT disarm us!
I disagree, but even if 90% comply, that leaves 10,000,000 with weapons that won't submit to unconstitutional laws.
There aren't that many cops and military in the US.
Logistics win and lose wars.
People have a romantic view of what will go down. They dream, as every patriotic man has done since childhood, of a Red Dawn resistance. I’ve fantasized countless times of make a successful stand in the hills, repelling government forces, making raids on the tyrant’s strongholds. But, reality is much different. Some of the smartest, most cynical, well read, people the world has ever produced are currently, as I right this, working on how to do this. The culmination of years of planning are coming to fruition. They know how to deal with the scenarios discussed in this forum. It has to be organized or it will fail.
People are praising Ted Cruz for saying this is unconstitutional. Duh!
There is no political solution because there are no politicians offering a solution. They still think 0 wants to do what’s right but is failing because he lacks the correct paradigm. He is succeeding.
“I agree, but with one concern. I think we’re going to see a media blitz unlike anything we’ve ever seen. And if another large shooting occurs, . . . well . . it’s over.”
The Left would instigate another massacre as an easy way to get what they want.
I’ve been thinking Chicago may be where the martial law starts. Rahm will cooperate with Obama. The Vice Lords 50,000+ versus the citizens. It won’t take long to take over the city and spread out from there. It will be a bloodbath. Wish I could convince my sister, brother and 2 nieces to leave.
I live in coastal Maine, WAY north of Augusta....Hancock County.
The Portland area of Maine is moonbat central. The police chief in Portland, and those that came before him, are hostile towards the second amendment.
Here in the northern half of Maine, people are armed to the teeth and I can’t see them giving up their firearms under any circumstances. I know some of the cops in these parts and while I can’t speak for all of them, I believe large numbers of the rural cops would be on the side of the people.
I’ve known conservatives who are, or were, in positions of authority in town offices and city councils. The moonbats seem to be concentrated in the high-priced coastal communities. There are a number of transplants from Massachusetts and New York....those are the ones to watch out for.
At least we have Paul LePage, a TEA Party guy, as Maine governor.
.....Or rather a second American civil war starts.
Passage of an unConstitutional gun ban law, no matter how they try to enforce it, will automatically paint a bulls-eye on the back of every gun grabbing politician from coast-to-coast.
They think they are safe.
They are wrong.
I’m in rural NH.
> Here in the northern half of Maine, people are armed to
> the teeth and I cant see them giving up their firearms
> under any circumstances.
We have friends in a rural area north west of Bangor. What you say is true. I think there are some regions in the country where the commies will just let ‘em be. What they’ll do is cut off all gummint support, but most folks up there don’t need it and won’t miss it.They take care of one another.
> There are a number of transplants from Massachusetts and
> New York....those are the ones to watch out for.
Yup. Transplants from Connecticut and Rhode Island are just as bad.
> At least we have Paul LePage, a TEA Party guy, as Maine
I envy you. Here in NH, we’ve had nothing but commies in the corner office for the last four years, and another commie just got elected. Our whole congressional delegation is outright commie, not even a RINO in the lot.
Ten Million people “armed” with brooms, each representing an effective long gun, marching on DC might be a visible deterent. Participation would be limited to actual owners of militarily effective rifles, ARs, AKs M1s etc.
Never hit your opponent where they expect you to hit them, unless you have overwhelming fire power. And a shotgun is just gonna get the swat team mad. In that situation, my suggestion would be to hit them where they are most exposed. And a swat team is hardly exposed at all. What we should do is lay out some terms, for every single swat team raid,.....
I am from rural Vermont but I have been traveling the world for most of the past five decades; currently in Alaska. I have been planning to go back home to build a small house and live out my remaining years on the forty acres we own near the Canadian border. Now I am not so sure that is a good idea but I have been planning on it so long I don’t know want to let the b@st@rds prevent me from having the life I have dreamed of so long.
Will they miss electricity? That's easy for the government to shut down.
How about shipments to the grocery stores? All they have to do is set up roadblocks in the name of "public safety."
King George the 3rd made that same mistake!
And to think, David Souter came from NH.
Live Free or Die indeed.
“A National Remilitarization Act
Whereas, the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution does not limit nor specify the arms which the people have the right to keep and bear, and
Whereas, the Militia by law includes every able-bodied man between the ages of 17 and 45, unless otherwise designated by the individual states, and by implication every able-bodied citizen,
Be it enacted: that any US Citizen, enlisted or enrolled in any state militia, Sheriffs Posse, State, County or municipal police auxiliary, police reserve, or constabulary, and or state emergency management agency Community Emergency Response Team, shall be allowed to own, keep, bear and if occasioned, use any military weapon or equipment what-so-ever.
Moreover, if such weapons or equipment has been deactivated or demiliterized, said militia member may restore it to fully operating condition, at his own expense, or at the expense of the militia unit to which he belongs”.
Meanwhile, all of you, go out and join your State Guards, your Sheriff's’ Posses, your State, County or Local police reserves, your Community Emergency Response Teams, whatever. If you belong to a reenactment unit, petition to have it declared to be a part of your state militia. Take a clue from 'Joe Hill'; "Get out and organize."
The gun grabbers are very stupid if they think that.
People aren’t going out here and panic buying these guns in this economy just to have to turn them in. They will fight and be right for doing so.
Want the guns, go out and try to get them Mr. and Mrs. Senator and Congressman. The blood will be on your hands and if you fail, don’t be surprised what else might happen. The people of this nation are PISSED right now. Gun grabbers beware, the backlash will be strong, violent and powerful if you don’t cut the crap out now.
I’m hoping for the best.
But preparing for the worst.
Consider that such a “commodity” will not be so easily “flippable” when they are paying an enormous premium at this time and several months in the future the prices will likely drop and there will be no way you can profit off of such deals, IMO.
There are surely some who are attempting to make some cash at this time by flipping rifles, but I highly doubt it’s anywhere near a majority of buyers.
Hit the SWAT teams and you severely demoralize the enemy and significantly reduce their effectiveness. Hit them either when they are on an op, or hit them when they’re sleeping, doesn’t matter.
If they have a house surrounded, several dozen, or more, patriots surround them with layers and snipe away at them until they give chase, layer one falls back and layer two tears into them (all assuming you have enough manpower for that tactic).
There are countless ways to battle our domestic enemies if push comes to shove, regardless of their technical “superiority”, as long as there are enough determined patriots willing to fight.
Americans are fairly intelligent, for the most part, and are exceptionally talented at warfare, and given our nature, there will be no way our government could come out on top if they want to start the dance.
Why are these ‘weapons of mass destruction’ in the hands of civil law enforcement? What use do they have? We've been told that these can only be used to kill recklessly, but for some reason, virtually every law enforcement office in the country has a small stack of them, either in the armory or in their vehicles.
Could it possibly be that these weapons are useful for self defense? That the left is trying to lie to us? Of course, that's almost always the case when dealing with liberals.
If a gun free zone keeps people safe, why isn't the White House Secret Service detail disarmed? The simple answer is that liberals have but one standard, that called ‘double.’ Diane Feinstien is pleased as punch to take away your guns, but don't you dare touch hers. She's more equal than you.
And should you dare waive an evil high capacity magazine around at a protest rally in Washington DC, there won't be any conversations as to your intent, you'll be in jail and before a judge in no time at all. Oh, and in case you think that it's just fine to waive it around on media property, that's a felony for you and I; not so for someone who works inside and is ‘making a point.’
The left has decided that it will be their way, or their way. Your choice. Luckily for them, so far, most Americans are law abiding citizens who actually respect that title. And luckily for them, most citizens haven't figured out yet that it is virtually impossible to fail to commit at least one felony a day under the winding and complex series of laws we have in this nation.
You do realize that if you drive onto school property to drop off your child at school, and just happen to have a bottle of over the counter pain pills in the car, you can be arrested and prosecuted for distribution of a controlled substance on school grounds, an automatic felony in virtually every jurisdiction in the country?
Ahh, yes, that's the ultimate trap. Who wants felons to have guns? No one, of course. What will be your felony?
I know one that will. Me.
Either that or idiots hoping to sell them back to hte govenremnt in a government buy back program where the gov will give them up to $200 dollars per gun
Can i buy a crate of 30 dollar BB guns and get 200 per “gun” then take the resulting profit?
Everybody knows police officers, sheriff deputies, state troopers....and most people, myself included, know where many of these cops live. And nearly every home in these parts has multiple firearms.
If I were a really smart Sheriff when the order came to confiscate guns, instead of taking the guns they would go door to door deputizing EVERYONE WITH A GUN!
It's all tactical thinking and it all applies.
You, as few do, understand. There won’t be confiscations per se. The goal is to cut the supply chain.
Very few can make their own guns or ammo. Most who think they can are doing little more than assembling a pre-manufactured jigsaw puzzle. Almost nobody can make barrels, primers, or shells (a few can, but orders of magnitude away from current and opponent’s levels). Most manufacturers of those can be shut down with ease, or importation prohibited. Just takes an Executive Order (if illegal, revocation gets tied up in courts forever) and those few sources die off.
Once the supply chain is broken, then attrition ensues. Ammo, while in vast quantities out there, is a consumable and gets used up or hoarded into oblivion. Guns are durable but still break. The market, black or not, evaporates from hoarding and attrition and bureaucracy.
They learned from Waco and Ruby Ridge: don’t go there. Manifesting someone’s personal expectation of Armageddon does not turn out well. The law abiding, however, abide by law.
The chances of Feinstein’s gun bill getting to the floor of the Senate for a vote is zero.
Yes all the keyboard commandos don’t get it. What wins battles? Not frontal attacks, flanking or waiting out your opponent. The left has all the time they need. 25 years from now AR15s will be a politically incorrect collectors item on folks walls.
Don't take my word for it. Just ask General Gage (1775), Jefferson Davis (1861), Hideki Tojo (1941), Douglas MacArthur (re the Chinese, 1950), Saddam Hussein (1990).
Always assume your enemy will fight like demons and prepare accordingly.
Would be easier to deport all illegal aliens than to do what you suggest.
I agree with this blog post the guerrilla war would be urban:
- What will be the likely model of american insurrection, if gun control doesnt go well?
One thing about militia and some tactics taught, movement, etc. I never understood practical unless very rural situations. But then there are drones, FLIR from surveillance planes, etc. Too much surveillance in open areas. I would in no way want to be dressed in camo or with tactical gear or stick out in anyway in a guerrilla war battlefield urban/suburban. Be the “grey man”. My rifles in transit for example aren’t all in gun cases, but other more inventive displays.
People talking long arms but really one needs a batch of vehicles, lots of different clothing for disguise/changing and a blade would do the job.
Thy don't care. They know they'e more likely to survive the turmoil (wealth and positions of power have their advantages. Further, may (like Obama) are utter ideologues, and see the loss of 30-50 million souls as an acceptable price to pay to bring about the changes they want.
Further, they will have NO hesitation to use overwhelming force against Americans, despite their urgings of "proportional force" abroad. Their voters won't see any problem with it, either. They'll smugly retort that the gun-lovers should love the massive weaponry being used against them. "Live by the gun", etc etc.
If it gets started, the cruelty and evil that will be unleashed on both sides will compare equally with NanKing's Rape, Cambodia's Killing Fields, and Africa's constant tribal butchery. There will be no rules, no relief, and no mercy... and the rest of the world will wait for their chance to pick up some gains at our expense if they can. (Alaska goes to Russia, Hawaii becomes Chinese, the Southwest becomes Aztlan?)
The evil that will befall us if we capitulate is far worse.
Or do we need to run down histories attempts at disarmed genocide?
You're forgetting their Republican allies and enablers.
I quite agree; the chance for you to live through a disarmed genocide (assuming you're one of the disarmed) is much, much less than that of surviving armed battle.
[[Can i buy a crate of 30 dollar BB guns and get 200 per gun then take the resulting profit?]]
Lol- that woudl be fantastic but the gov will only pay ‘up to’ $200- they’d probably only offer $5 for the guns-
[...they will just pick-off gun owners one-by-one, raiding one house at a time for those who dont surrender.”
If the attempt is made at coordinated confiscations, news of it will spread like wild fire. Police will not do it if ordered to do so, nor will the military.
Some may initially, but reality will be more than they bargained for.
[[People have a romantic view of what will go down. They dream, as every patriotic man has done since childhood, of a Red Dawn resistance.]]
I’m guilty of that too (and more so because of health problems that make life problematic)but I’ll only do so if I see that others are willing to organize a strong resistance
[[But, reality is much different.]]
Cotrrect, when push coems to shove- many will shrink because the bully o nthe block- big government- will be VERY powerful
[[Some of the smartest, most cynical, well read, people the world has ever produced are currently, as I right this, working on how to do this. The culmination of years of planning are coming to fruition. They know how to deal with the scenarios discussed in this forum. It has to be organized or it will fail]]
But what will convince them that enough is enough? We were alreadt dealt a VERY serious blow when john roberts of the supreme court REFUSED to do his sworn duty to protect this nation agaisnt a rogue government who has violated our constitutional rights- and he let it be known that any future requests for the supreme court to protect us agaisnt a rogue governemnt will NOT be met by the court- That alone should have been enough to signal to those folks that we are in serious trouble as a nation when our last line of defense agaisnt a rogue government REFUSES to do what they were initially formed to do-
[[They still think 0 wants to do whats right but is failing because he lacks the correct paradigm. He is succeeding]]
And he’s goign to get worse, much much worse now that he knows the supreme court will NOT challenge him any longer- Rhino Lindsay graham hit it on the head hwen he stated 0 was goiogn to be an ‘in your face’ commander for the next 4 years- He IS goign to unleash unholy hell on this coutnry- Hell, he’s already begun- but now he feels he ‘has a mandate to continue’ because ‘the peopel reelected him to continue doign what he was doing’
This country may never recover from this- and I see the masses layign down hteir guns and right to bear arms just to get their promissed $200 ‘stimulus check’ each year fro mthe government (and continue gettign government welfare in the form of unemployement ‘benifits’ welfare, food stamps etc etc- As soemoen correctlty stated in this forum- unemployement is becomming hte4 new dissability check
At some point they gotta put boots on the ground; or the neck, as it were. An electronic raid won't disarm anyone. They have to step out of their cubicles eventually.
...and when they do, math's a bitch!
You mean like they already do with illegal narcotics? I ask since that's been working out so well since 1914.
Here in L.A. County, they'll "buy back" painted plastic pipes if you call them rocket launchers.
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