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Enough is Enough: Has the Third Party’s Time Come?
Facebook ^ | Jan. 7, 2013 | Chuck Heath Jr.

Posted on 01/07/2013 4:29:17 PM PST by upsdriver

This is an issue that I've been mulling over for quite a while. I wrote more about the way I'd set this up, but I wanted to get some of your feedback first. Let me know what you think.

Enough is Enough: Has the Third Party’s Time Come?

We’ve lost our way. The American political system is a mess. The divisiveness between Republicans and Democrats seems insurmountable and it’s getting worse every day. I could get into the reasons that this is happening, but I doubt that would change a thing.

It is very painful for me to see this country literally becoming unraveled at the seams… especially when I look at my own children’s future. I’ve watched friends and even family members break ties over political differences. I have watched good, smart people enter politics and seen them change for the worse over the years as they’ve become part of the political machine.

Political seniority often leads to leadership positions but has nothing to do with performance. Casting a favorable vote for something you may not even believe in, just to gain a committee chair or for some other future favor, is rampant in politics.

It’s a very dirty game and it’s the reason so many really talented people never get involved in it. It’s also the reason my sister Sarah Palin, has been so viciously attacked over the years. She refused to “play the game”. She has always stuck to her principles and because of that, she is viewed as a threat. I’ve watched people in both major parties do everything they can to demean and destroy her. And all for what… for trying to limit the size of government? For asking all of us to do our share? For insisting we spend less than we take in? For ending crony capitalism? For going above and beyond to support our military? For utilizing our natural resources in a responsible way? For praying? The list goes on.

Let’s face it. As it stands now, it’s impossible to be elected to a high national office without being a part of the Republican or Democratic Party. I propose that the disgruntled citizens of the United States… Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians… persons of every race, religion, economic status, and whoever else is interested, join together and form a new party. I’d simply call it, the American Party.


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1 posted on 01/07/2013 4:29:23 PM PST by upsdriver
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To: upsdriver

Not a third party but a new second party


2 posted on 01/07/2013 4:30:40 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: onyx; KC_Lion

Sarah Palin ping.


3 posted on 01/07/2013 4:31:57 PM PST by upsdriver
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To: upsdriver

We have TWO parties? All I’ve seen for the last 10 years is two wolves (the RepubliCrats) and a sheep (the people) trying to figure out what’s for dinner.


4 posted on 01/07/2013 4:33:11 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: upsdriver

Works for me.

The GOP has been deconstructing Reagan and conservatism for twenty four years.

Nothing changes.

Does anyone really expect 2016 to be different, when names like Christie, Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio are being bandied about? And the last one isn’t even natural-born.


5 posted on 01/07/2013 4:33:24 PM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: GeronL

The goal is the same. Let us not argue over semantics.


6 posted on 01/07/2013 4:34:58 PM PST by upsdriver
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To: GeronL

Any idea of an upstart party challenging the two major parties is doomed to failure anyway. Better to keep picking off the seats we can put conservatives into.


7 posted on 01/07/2013 4:35:24 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: upsdriver

If the conservatives leave the Republicans, common sense moderate Democrats will feel safe to move to the Republican Party. Interesting times.


8 posted on 01/07/2013 4:35:49 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: upsdriver

We had that moment in time 4 years ago. For folks that think we can reform either of the two parties... Forget it.


9 posted on 01/07/2013 4:38:38 PM PST by babygene ( .)
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To: upsdriver; KC_Lion; 2ndDivisionVet; Abbeville Conservative; abigailsmybaby; afnamvet; alley cat; ...
Sarah Palin's Ping List

Chuck Heath is her brother

10 posted on 01/07/2013 4:39:19 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: central_va
If the conservatives leave the Republicans, common sense moderate Democrats will feel safe to move to the Republican Party. Interesting times.

I think I disagree. I believe that moderate Democrats are as fed up with business as usual as are those of us on the right. I believe the Reagan coalition is still available if there is a credible movement to get behind.

11 posted on 01/07/2013 4:40:37 PM PST by upsdriver
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To: upsdriver

Thanks very much.
I added Jr. to the ping, but not in time.
Ooops.


12 posted on 01/07/2013 4:41:06 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: cripplecreek

NOW IS THE TIME—IF the GOP could lose with Obama—they can never win. They are finished. My prescription:

1. All Tea Party Conservatives Bolt the Party
2. Form a new Party or take over an existing 3rd Party.
3. Organize at a Grass Roots Level
4. We need charismatic leaders—think outside the box to Actors, Talk Show People, Former Generals & Admirals, People from Sports, War Heroes, Teachers, and writers.
Plan for 2016.


13 posted on 01/07/2013 4:43:19 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: upsdriver

Yes, I am in, too! The republican party will draw less and less. according to Rasmussen, conservatives still make up 40% of the population. If we can draw conservatives from BOTH major parties, we could be the leader. Some democrats are tired of the status quo, as well. This is the time to go for it. If we wait until the 2014 elections (mid terms) we’ll not be strong enough.


14 posted on 01/07/2013 4:43:24 PM PST by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: upsdriver
The rancor between the two parties is a dog and pony show, Congress is a Mafia and if you got a third party started, they would not last a year.

Who can not be bought, can be eliminated in other ways. Terrible traffic accidents happen all the time.

The Democracy phase is long gone, the Fascist phase is in full swing.

January 21 will mark the beginning of the Totalitarian phase. Opposition parties do not do well in Totalitarian counries. And that is my two cents worth on a third party.

15 posted on 01/07/2013 4:44:41 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: exit82
Does anyone really expect 2016 to be different, when names like Christie, Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio are being bandied about? And the last one isn’t even natural-born.

Nope.

Radical thinking is required if we are to affect radical change.(Restoring liberty)

16 posted on 01/07/2013 4:44:54 PM PST by upsdriver
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To: onyx

Thanks onyx! :-)


17 posted on 01/07/2013 4:46:05 PM PST by upsdriver
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To: upsdriver
Right. Google “Third Party in the United States.” Take your pick from the two dozen or so.

In the 1920s the Socialist Party got a few percent of the popular vote but zero electoral votes. They changed strategy and determined to grow within the rat party. FDR, LBJ, BJ Clinton, BHO are all the spawn of that decision.

The salvation of our republic rests within conservative/tea party takeover of the GOP. It is nowhere else.

18 posted on 01/07/2013 4:46:17 PM PST by Jacquerie ("How few were left who had seen the republic!" - Tacitus, The Annals)
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To: upsdriver

About 20 years ago. The issue is the electoral college and no runoff.


19 posted on 01/07/2013 4:46:57 PM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: upsdriver

If the Republican Party continues to devalue the Conservative moment and belittle us then yes I am all for creating a whole new party. The Republican Party is trying to Out-Commie the left by promising free goodies too and it wont work..moochers will always vote Democrat..the sooner the GOP remembers who the hell they are the better we will all be..I am all for trying to fix the GOP but if they are too broke to be fixed then count me in I am ALL for being part of a true Conservative party!


20 posted on 01/07/2013 4:48:24 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Shery
Yes, I am in, too! The republican party will draw less and less. according to Rasmussen, conservatives still make up 40% of the population. If we can draw conservatives from BOTH major parties, we could be the leader. Some democrats are tired of the status quo, as well. This is the time to go for it. If we wait until the 2014 elections (mid terms) we’ll not be strong enough.

I agree totally! Well said!

21 posted on 01/07/2013 4:49:10 PM PST by upsdriver
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To: upsdriver; onyx
It is very painful for me to see this country literally becoming unraveled at the seams… especially when I look at my own children’s future.

I feel the same, Chuck. And what we will have if we continue down the same road is just more of the same. A path toward destruction by implosion, collapse.
22 posted on 01/07/2013 4:50:18 PM PST by RedMDer (Those that believe in gun free zones should wear GUN FREE ZONE T-SHIRTS.)
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To: upsdriver

Too late. Never will get enough votes to win. America is finished as a Republic and sailing into a communists controlled dictatorship.


23 posted on 01/07/2013 4:51:23 PM PST by Logical me
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To: upsdriver

Count me in.


24 posted on 01/07/2013 4:52:17 PM PST by EternalHope (Be ready.)
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25 posted on 01/07/2013 4:55:04 PM PST by RedMDer (Those that believe in gun free zones should wear GUN FREE ZONE T-SHIRTS.)
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To: Jacquerie
The salvation of our republic rests within conservative/tea party takeover of the GOP. It is nowhere else.

Exactly. Its actually easier than people think if they take the time to get it done. Tea partiers need to get out to their state conventions and change the policy making structure by tossing RINOs off the RNC and replacing them with conservatives. That usually can be done with a few hundred votes.

Look at what's happening in Michigan. Tea party strength is growing and its forcing the state to the right. Tea partiers are taking over county GOP leadership positions and RINOs are falling in line.
26 posted on 01/07/2013 4:55:46 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Bryanw92
’ two wolves (the RepubliCrats) and a sheep (the people) trying to figure out what’s for dinner.’

I suggest ‘who is for dinner’.
Words do have meaning.

and in this sense,
‘ The divisiveness between Republicans and Democrats seems insurmountable’

The Parties, by their record, are the same. The Reps for a little less taxes, a little less spending, and no robust opposition to the Liberal ideologues radical agenda. The ‘divisiveness’ is about payoffs, paybacks, and whose crony gets more government money.The Repubs can be bitter and snarky but flop when it counts on the big deals.
In terms of operational doctrine, the Parties are the same.
And the voting record shows it. TARP, repeated Debt limit concession and failure and so on.
TWB

27 posted on 01/07/2013 4:56:44 PM PST by TWhiteBear (Sarah Palin...The Flame of the North)
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To: upsdriver
Uh, no.

We need to face a hard truth. We know Romney is no conservative. But, because of a successful propaganda campaign by the Dims and media, moderates and independents thought he was a conservative. They thought they were voting against us.

We need to quit whining about the Republican Party and start cultivating articulate and electable conservatives who can explain why our ideas and programs are better for the country.

28 posted on 01/07/2013 5:00:39 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: upsdriver

I was against a third party until Boener teamed up with the Democrats to get Obama’s tax increase through.

At this point, they could care less about us, so I’ll vote Third Party unless I see some REAL respect for the Tea Party.


29 posted on 01/07/2013 5:01:30 PM PST by BobL
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To: TWhiteBear

>>’ two wolves (the RepubliCrats) and a sheep (the people) trying to figure out what’s for dinner.’
I suggest ‘who is for dinner’.
Words do have meaning.

Yes they certainly do. Sheep are herbivores. They do not eat anything considered to be a “who”. Wolves are ominvores. They eat “who” and “what”. The common denominator for the two would be “what” and not “who”. Since I put RepubliCats and People in parentheses, the “what” should agree with the nouns outside of the parentheses, and not the ones inside.


30 posted on 01/07/2013 5:04:06 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: upsdriver

I got one bone to pick. Divisiveness between the parties does not extend to our fiscal problems (our most important and dangerous problems) as both parties are complicit in destroying our country through fiscal irresponsibilty.

Do we need a third party?

Yes. Can it save us?

Doubtful as it’s already too late. If such a party got elected and was able to implement the cutting necessary to save the country, it would immediately be voted right back out of office.


31 posted on 01/07/2013 5:05:26 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (....Let It Burn....)
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To: upsdriver

I withdrew from the Republican party last Friday. Forcwant of a better choice, I joined the Libertarian party. We ‘re not in complete agreement but, after the Boehner reelection, I’m a lot closer to them than the Republican party.


32 posted on 01/07/2013 5:07:55 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: upsdriver

I’ve been advocating this idea since the day after the election. Altho the Tea Party and Conservative Party
are more than worthy of their own platform, we are
‘Tea-stained’, and conservative dems or indies won’t come near us.

If the Independent Party is not using THEIR platform for anything monumental I think we oughta infiltrate there
and thereby allow any others of the same general mind-set to join in.

We MUST get control of the purse strings as soon as we possibly can. American freedoms must be protected and preserved, brought back where they’ve been taken away. The debt and dem spending is our greatest danger.

Social issues will have to be put on the back burner. I’d never advocate endorsing an abortionist, for instance.

My apologies to any Indies who take offense at my suggestion, but this is a vital issue, and we need your platform.

BTW, I’m re-registered as an Indy now. The GOPe will never respect my wishes, and they can shove their chosen candidates up their poopshutes.

Taking the ‘I’ party, which is already established and recognized, is the way I see a possibility of strength.


33 posted on 01/07/2013 5:10:03 PM PST by CaptainPhilFan
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To: GeronL

Agreed.
A second party would be just fine, as today there is only one and one and a half.


34 posted on 01/07/2013 5:10:21 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: upsdriver
I’d simply call it, the American Party.

The American Party has had a variety of incarnations, dating back to the 1850's.

Perhaps it's most remembered version was the 1855-1860 one. Outsiders called them "Know-Nothings" and the name stuck.

There are well over 50 "Third" Parties in the USA today.

There's always room for one more.

35 posted on 01/07/2013 5:10:50 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: upsdriver
Enough is Enough: Has the Third Party’s Time Come?

The Constitution Party, Libertarian Party, Green Party, America's Party, Independent American Party, Reform Party, Justice Party, Socialist Party USA, Peace and Freedom Party, etc, etc, all say hello!

We already have 3rd party's and they don't amount to a hill of beans. All the talk about the Constitution Party we heard right here on FR this election cycle and they ended up doing far worse in 2012 than they even did in 2008. Virgil Goode couldn't even get .1% of the vote.

I propose that the disgruntled citizens of the United States… Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians… persons of every race, religion, economic status, and whoever else is interested, join together and form a new party. I’d simply call it, the American Party.

Yeah, because disgruntled Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians, etc, who don't agree on anything now will suddenly agree on so much more if they were under the banner of some new party. This is just pie in the sky nonsense. Disgruntled Democrats are just as likely to be mad the Democrat party isn't left wing enough. Why would we think they'd suddenly have something in common with renegade conservatives who are pissed the GOP isn't conservative enough? Real libertarians want nothing to do with social conservatives, why is there any reason to think conservatives in this new party would be any more willing to jettison the social conservative positions than they are now?

These 3rd party ideas are a bunch of blather. They never go anywhere and are obviously unworkable. It's just intellectual laziness because it's a lot easier to dream of 3rd party's than deal with the actual hard work of pushing the Republican party to the right one painful step at a time.

36 posted on 01/07/2013 5:11:21 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: upsdriver

We don’t have two parties now. TWe have the Social Democrat Party and its official Opposition Scapegoat wing. It may be true that a national candidate cannot get elected unless he be either labeled “Democrat” or “Republican” but just how dos that bind the voters to vote for people who are anathema to the Republic? If you have to choose between a Leninist or a Fabian where is the choice? Why vote? Either will get you a bullet in the head in a couple of years and your children working slave labor in the FEMALAG, those that survive the famine.


37 posted on 01/07/2013 5:13:31 PM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: GeronL

If we had enough votes to make a viable 3rd party we would enough votes to control the party we have now.


38 posted on 01/07/2013 5:16:14 PM PST by ThomasThomas
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To: exit82

I’m in... yesterday


39 posted on 01/07/2013 5:16:43 PM PST by notted
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To: upsdriver

Has the Third Party’s Time Come? YES

But beware of a lot of crossovers who want to join the new party and pollute the formation with their ‘compromise’ perspectives.

Keep the platform simple:

CUT SPENDING, ROLL BACK INTRUSION, DECENTRALIZE, PROSECUTE
Cut spending including entitlements
Cut taxes
Repeal Obamacare
Decentralize the federal government
Prosecute the banks, green scammers, gunrunners to Mexico
Securitize schools with state of the art surveillance
and so on....

No abortion debate (let the states take that on)
No gay marriage debate (let states get it done)
and so on. On these issues castrate the budgets of federal courts that make these issues their hobby.

Keep all the emotional/wedge issues out of new party’s focus. issues like gun control. Again let states get it done but beef up budgets of federal courts that back the Second Amendment.

Keep scientific nonsense such as Climate Change out of the new party talking points. Instead surreptitiously launch a scientific commission that obliterates the lies and nonsense that the Left wants to establish as a basis for global taxation and redistribution.

Keep a low profile on all things except budgets, deficits, money management, debt. Keep these at the forefront and all the massive federal intrusion will be rolled back as a consequence of the cuts taken.

LONGTERM
Repeal the 16th and 17th Amendments
Abolish the Federal Reserve and Bring Back the Gold Standard
Long Prison sentences for Vote Fraud


40 posted on 01/07/2013 5:17:34 PM PST by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: Longbow1969

“Hard work of pushing the Republican party”

... how have the last 25 years been working for you?

But until there is a set of leaders who join as a National party to converge on one thing, to cut the size and power of the Federal govt, the statists win.


41 posted on 01/07/2013 5:22:12 PM PST by ReaganGeneration2
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To: colorado tanker
We need to quit whining about the Republican Party and start cultivating articulate and electable conservatives who can explain why our ideas and programs are better for the country.

I don't know that conservatism can exist within the framework of the GOP. I believe the GOP is corrupted beyond repair. And FYI, I am not whining. I'm fighting mad. It seems to me the GOP apologists are the ones doing the whining.

42 posted on 01/07/2013 5:22:51 PM PST by upsdriver
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To: upsdriver
If you can't get to 50% with an existing party, a smaller, purer party is going to get there?

This just might have made sense when there were a lot of conservative Democrats out there whose votes we could pick up, but those days are gone.

43 posted on 01/07/2013 5:25:31 PM PST by x
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To: GeronL
Not a third party but a new second party

I agree with that. Splitting the Republican party will only lead to years of marxists control. We are too far gone to start a new party.

I also agree that many good citizens go to Washington with intention of fixing the problem only to become a part of it.

Our constitution is good, our form of government is good. It was originally intended to be a union of individual states.
What we have now is monolithic power in Washington that consumes our wealth and rules us with impunity. They are the upper caste of our society (followed by the wealthy and famous).

I believe that absolute power corrupts absolutely. We need to return some of the power to the states. So much power and wealth is concentrated in Washington that, with the help of lobbyists, our representatives become corrupt.
It was only a matter of time until some megalomaniac got in control and blew up the whole system.

After we are reduced to a third world nation, we should write something up to prevent that from happening again.

44 posted on 01/07/2013 5:27:20 PM PST by oldbrowser (They are marxists, don't call them democrats)
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To: upsdriver

It could be like New York’s conservative party.


45 posted on 01/07/2013 5:27:30 PM PST by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: upsdriver; onyx
Folks, IMHO this is a trial balloon....

You heard it here 1st, maybe Sarah will come out of Hibernation soon...

46 posted on 01/07/2013 5:29:44 PM PST by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: upsdriver

“I have watched good, smart people enter politics and seen them change for the worse over the years as they’ve become part of the political machine.”

My dad always said that if there is a crook running for office against an honest man that one should vote for the crook because one doesn’t want to corrupt an honest man.


47 posted on 01/07/2013 5:29:49 PM PST by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: Hostage
No abortion debate (let the states take that on) No gay marriage debate (let states get it done)

Yeah, that's going to go over well with most of the conservatives that want to leave the Republican party because it isn't conservative enough. Many, probably most, of these people are also social conservatives that think the culture war is worth fighting and would recoil at dropping the pro-life and pro-traditional marriage fights.

This new party you describe is simply the existing Libertarian party. Just join the Libertarians and you don't have to create a whole new party infrastructure.

48 posted on 01/07/2013 5:32:40 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Hostage

I like most of what you’ve got there. And I know it’s a mistake to seek perfection, so I won’t even bother to mention the parts in your comment where I have slight disagreement.Nice job.


49 posted on 01/07/2013 5:32:58 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: cripplecreek

“Any idea of an upstart party challenging the two major parties is doomed to failure anyway.”

You are correct. The two parties would become the best of friends to destroy the third party. The enemy of my enemy is my friend would be the rationale.


50 posted on 01/07/2013 5:35:19 PM PST by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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