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Why Civilian Disarmament in the U.S. is Just a Statist Fantasy
Survivalblog ^ | N/A | James Wesley Rawles

Posted on 01/08/2013 5:00:32 PM PST by RWB Patriot

I often have SurvivalBlog readers forward me alarmist e-mails, warning of "total disarmament" of the civilian populace. While there indeed may be plans or schemes to disarm Americans, I don't consider these threats credible. Let me explain why: I would conservatively estimate that there are about 316 million firearms in private hands in the United States. Of these, less than 10% are logged in any formal registry. Perhaps another 30% have Form 4473s filed with the FFL dealers where they were first purchased, but that is a fractured mishmash of records with a quite perishable life span. It is notable that we live in a very mobile society, where most families move every three or four years. And in most states, there are no record keeping requirements for secondary sales of firearms. So to call the accumulation of 4473 forms a de facto registration system is laughable.

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TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: banglist; democrats; disarmament; donttreadonme; guncontrol; guns; survivalblog; tyranny; youwillnotdisarmus
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To: riverrunner

Except that if a person has a FFL (even if they haven’t got a store) then they can’t do a private party deal; the firearm must be “moved” from personal stock to the “FFL” stock and the 4473 form has got to be filled out and the NICS check done.


51 posted on 01/08/2013 8:07:26 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: NewJerseyJoe

Or 3-D copiers


52 posted on 01/08/2013 8:12:42 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: SatinDoll
Because of who conservatives are, it will be the hardest thing any of us ever have to do.

SatinDoll, you are right. As much as it grieves me, we would have to employ tactics none would want to speak of afterwards. For all we know, the Left has been doing this already. We'd all best give that some thought beforehand, though--and hopefully, those against us will too and the situation will be averted.

They really need to back down. Once the dogs of war are loosed they will eat their fill.

53 posted on 01/08/2013 8:21:03 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Precisely. If we don't wrap our heads around that, we're done.

Imprisonment will likely lead to an early and/or horrible death. If they even bother with any more than a trench and a bullet.

54 posted on 01/08/2013 8:30:42 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: RWB Patriot

I think everyone is looking at this wrong ...

It’s a new TAX

Bronco Bama will figure out a way to FINE Gun owners that don’t comply... What he won’t be able to Confiscate he will Regulate and charge $ for the Privilege of Gun ownership and then have his database for what he really wants.

All ammo, pieces and parts will be tracked, taxed and indexed, you will be identified and located. Oh wait ...

TT


55 posted on 01/08/2013 8:58:23 PM PST by TexasTransplant (This needs to go viral http://vimeo.com/52009124 please watch it)
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To: superloser

***** “Since California passed its Assault Weapons Ban in 1989, the residents have constructed millions of AR and AK type rifles.”*****

I have a new found fondness for my brothers and sisters in CA

Y’all welcome to come visit Texas.

TT

Please see my tag... please watch it... please forward it


56 posted on 01/08/2013 9:11:39 PM PST by TexasTransplant (This needs to go viral http://vimeo.com/52009124 please watch it)
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To: arthurus

I see that you are not a member of the T party :)


57 posted on 01/08/2013 9:59:02 PM PST by conserv8 (It's not the end, it's the beginning.)
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To: jimbobfoster; All

The world’s largest ARmy - and this is just some of the registered hunters...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XjSSUC8IlY


58 posted on 01/08/2013 10:12:57 PM PST by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: chris37

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59 posted on 01/08/2013 11:03:05 PM PST by rolling_stone
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To: Alaska Wolf

I still have my first firearm. It’s a Steven’s Model 15-A bolt action with manual cocking, single-shot .22 rifle I received for my 5th birthday. Since Dad was working overseas at the time, he had Mom & my oldest brother get it for me, I believe from Sears.

I also have Dad’s 1940s Sears Ranger dbl bbl 12 gauge, and G-Grandpa’s Savage 32-40 lever action.

Unfortunately, nearly all my other weapons were lost overboard....


60 posted on 01/08/2013 11:21:28 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: ApplegateRanch
I still have my first firearm. It’s a Steven’s Model 15-A bolt action with manual cocking, single-shot .22 rifle I received for my 5th birthday.

My first was a Stevens Junior Model 11-22 rolling block single shot .22 LR. I still have it.

61 posted on 01/08/2013 11:39:18 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Alaska Wolf

“manufactured between 1924 and 1931”

You’re either my oldest brother’s age, or it was used!

I had a 7 X 56 Remington rolling block, but had to sell it in the late 60s. I definitely got that used...well used. LOL


62 posted on 01/09/2013 12:42:50 AM PST by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: ApplegateRanch
You’re either my oldest brother’s age, or it was used!

It was my Father's first gun.

63 posted on 01/09/2013 1:32:45 AM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Malone LaVeigh
BINGO!! Another winner! Once we decide "they are the REAL criminals" the gloves are off.

μολὼν λαβέ


64 posted on 01/09/2013 3:02:48 AM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: WildHighlander57

One always has a choice to make as to the action they are willing to take.


65 posted on 01/09/2013 4:10:47 AM PST by riverrunner
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To: Martin Tell

Yes, I read Atlas Shrugged fifty years ago and I still remember reading that, it explains a lot. The amazing part is that there are so many people not in government who should know better but think that a law is the answer to everything.


66 posted on 01/09/2013 5:31:14 AM PST by RipSawyer (I was born on Earth, what planet is this?)
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To: superloser

Garage machinists,
AND,
red states acting to protect the second amendment, to over-rule the unconstitutional fed gun control laws!
People move to these states, all heavily armed for self-defense, while those left behind in the blue states are gunless and defenseless,
then, we form a new union and leave the other side to rot. Dare them to invade us - we are armed and they are not!


67 posted on 01/09/2013 6:31:32 AM PST by chrisnj
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To: RWB Patriot

http://www.survivalblog.com/2013/01/letter-re-why-civilian-disarmament-in-the-us-is-just-a-statist-fantasy.html

This gentleman does make a decent point in response to the original post, but at the same time, I think he misses some key points.

One, Americans are not like the jews (I mean no offense) in Nazi Germany. Unlike them, we know what the end result of gun control is and I highly doubt more than an extreme minority will go along with future gun control laws in the hopes that the government will be satisfied if we give up one more right.

Two, once it becomes clear that the government is willing to go to such lengths to ban guns, I think it would be obvious that there would be resistance. And despite what the reply suggests, eighty million gun owners won’t need much help from non-gun owners to be a thorn in the government’s side, especially in regards to state governments.

Three, a lot of the things the reply suggests would be challenged in court many times over, considering the doors they’d open for things not related to gun ownership.


68 posted on 01/09/2013 10:02:41 AM PST by RWB Patriot ("My ability is a value that must be purchased and I don't recognize anyone's need as a claim on me.")
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To: Alaska Wolf

Nice heirloom.

My oldest nephew...or his son...has my dad’s early 50s Remington pump 30-06.

I like seeing things like that stay in families.


69 posted on 01/09/2013 11:48:45 AM PST by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: ApplegateRanch
I like seeing things like that stay in families.

I also have my uncle's Marlin Model 1895 38-56. Neither rifle is particularly valuable except to me. They along with all of the guns I've purchased throughout the years will stay in the family.

My oldest nephew...or his son...has my dad’s early 50s Remington pump 30-06.

My dad had one also. I had my dad give it to his granddaughter's husband who was so good to my parents.

70 posted on 01/09/2013 1:24:22 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Thank you for reminding me of that quote.


71 posted on 01/14/2013 1:02:55 PM PST by Voice of Reason88 ( Freedom is never lost all at once - Edmund Burke)
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