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Accepting Pedphiles and all Varied Paraphilia: The Hebes and Ephebs
Maggie's Notebook ^ | 1-13-13 | Maggie@MaggiesNotebook

Posted on 01/13/2013 7:03:08 PM PST by maggiesnotebook

In August 2011 I posted an article titled Academia Normalizing Pedophiles With Minor-Attracted Persons: Hebephile, Ephebophiles and Pedophiles. The Hebes and the Ephebs were new to me. "Hebe" was the goddess of youth and cupbearer for the gods; Epheb, also from Greek mythology, and generally referring to an adolescent, but who knew this ancient mythololgy could legitimize the abuse of our children in the 21st Century. I missed most talk radio this week, but a reader emailed and told me Rush Limbaugh was talking about Academia and Pedophilia and their attempts to drag it into accepted mainstream thinking, and the reader kindly mentioned my 2011 article. You see, if your are one of these three "philes," Ped, Epheb or Hebe, it is simply your sexual orientation, (certainly not a crime except in the eyes of the unreasonable).

Stacey McCain responded to Rush's conversation this week by quoting his own article in The Washington Times in April 2002:

Promoting pedophilia Attempts to legitimize adult-child sex on rise

By Robert Stacy McCain THE WASHINGTON TIMES

A new book that says child molesters are not a major peril to children is part of a larger movement within academia to promote “free sexual expression of children.”

The movement to legitimize sex between adults and children is “gathering steam,” warns Stephanie Dallam, researcher for the Leadership Council for Mental Health, Justice and the Media in Philadelphia, an organization that deals with prevention and treatment of child abuse.

“Some people view children as the next sexual frontier,” Ms. Dallam says.

Feminist writer Judith Levine’s book “Harmful to Minors: The Perils of Protecting Kids from Sex” has been condemned by those who say she excuses sexual abuse of children – a charge she strongly denies. Ms. Levine says she was “misunderstood” after a news article last month quoted her saying a boy’s sexual experience with a priest “conceivably” could be positive.

From McCain's article dated January 11, 2013, referring to Judith Levine's book referenced above:
[Levine] said, “The research shows us that in some minority of cases, young – even quite young – people can have a positive sexual experience with an adult. That’s what the research shows.”

Featuring a foreword by Clinton administration Surgeon General Dr. Joycelyn Elders, Ms. Levine’s book endorses a Dutch law, passed in 1990, that effectively lowered the age of consent to 12. Ms. Levine cites research about “happy consensual sex among kids under 12,” and writes: “America’s drive to protect kids from sex is protecting them from nothing. Instead, often it is harming them.” Read more...

Hebephilias are those who have a sexual preference for children in the early years of puberty, ages 10-14.  Ephebophilias prefer children in the later years of adolescence. Pedophiles prefer prepubescent children. At this conference, there will be an effort to establish whether or not hebephilia is a mental disorder.  Put them all together and this group is known as paraphilias.

My 2011 article centered around an August 2011 conference to exchange ideas WITH "minor-attracted persons," sponsored by B4U-ACT, a group of paraphilia activists. The American Psychiatric Association stated that it is important to have "accurate and complete scientific information" on the Ped, the Hebes and the Ephebs. Are the three a mental disorder, or are they not (note that Ephebophilia, attraction to older adolescents, is not considered a mental disorder by the American Psychiatric Association) .

At the 2011 conference, Dr John Z. Sadler, a professo of Medical Ethics and Psychiatry, spoke on "Decriminalizing Mental Disorder Concepts - Pedophilia as an Example." His time at the podium examined this:

(2) If Pedophilia and related categories are to be preserved as legitimate, nonmorally value-laden disorders, then they require a preponderance of nonmorally-value-laden diagnostic descriptors in their diagnostic criteria.
B4U-ACT makes it clear that being sexually attracted to minors is an attraction the adult does not choose to have. It just happens. We don't know why diagnostically, and/or the person is a victim of a mental disorder, but Dr. Fred Berlin, quoted on the B4U-ACT website, clearly normalizes child predators:
Individuals whose sexual orientation is directed toward children manifest the same range of personality, temperamental, and character traits as individuals whose sexual orientation is directed toward adults. A recentJournal article documented that the vast majority of individuals with pedophilia showed no evidence of either antisocial or narcissistic personality disorder. It may be no easier for a person with pedophilia to change his or her sexual orientation than it is for a homosexual or heterosexual individual to do so.
Fred Berlin, M.D. National Institute for the Study, Prevention, and Treatment of Sexual Trauma
The key here is Dr. John Sadler's quest to put paraphilias into a "nonmorally value-laden disorder," and to achieve that goal, we need "nonmorally-value-laden diagnostic descriptors" to properly put the paraphilia into a normal sexual orientation.

Rush Limbaugh explains a Guardian (UK) article:

The argument being made in the piece is that the desire for sex with children is a natural part of the human condition.  And, in fact, if we acknowledge it, and encourage it, we can actually somehow better protect children.  That's in the story, too.  It's the same thinking, if you remember back in the nineties, when we were told that kids are going to have sex, you can't stop them.  And that's why we needed to give away condoms in the schools.

Remember we had stories from Long Island about parents who said that they willingly let their daughters' boyfriends spend the night because it was better if their daughter was gonna have sex in a clean bedroom rather than the backseat of a car.  Well, same thing here.  We can better protect children if we know that they're having sex with adults rather than it being done on the sly...

In fact, the article in the Guardian actually quotes some academics. (For those of you in Rio Linda, that's college professor types.  These are the people you see that have leather arm patches on their sport coats.)  Academics are quoted in the Guardian piece saying that sex with adults does not hurt children.  Normalization.  So Jon Henley decided he'd write a whole piece on this, normalizing pedophilia, where he quotes extensively and looks into it and finds out what this is all about.  Read more at Rush Limbaugh 

"Normalization" has to be great news, offering hope to pedophile priests and pastors across the globe, fathers who have abused their own children in this heinous way, female teachers who rape their young adolescent male students, and as Rush says, Jerry Sandusky. Once "nonmorally value-laden descriptors" are decided upon, published and sanctioned with the help of the American Psychiatric Association, The North American Man-Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) can crawl back out of their dark hole...oh but wait, maybe they didn't make it all the way underground. The NAMBLA website, with childish colors and a sweet print of two young boys smeared with mud from playtime, lounging on a log near a seaport, greets visitors.

From Boston Magazine May 2001:

Boys flocked to the three-story, wood-shingled house on Mountain Avenue in Revere for the teenage version of the Holy Grail: an endless supply of beer and weed. Being drunk and stoned made everything-from the air hockey to the movie watching-significantly more enjoyable. There was also money to be had. The pocket cash came from the local men, who especially liked it when the local boys (hustlers, gay teens, straight teens) lounged around the house with their shirts off.

Then there were smiles all around.

There was also sex. The boys had sex with each other. The boys had sex with the men. All of this was done quietly, because neighbors would later say that they didn't see or hear anything unusual coming from the house. There were no naked boys loitering in the doorway, no drunken men stumbling in the back yard, no obvious signs of depravity. It was a normal house, the neighbors thought, until they learned that it wasn't.

In June 1977, police arrested the house's owner and announced that it was the national headquarters of a sordid, pornographic sex ring. It was a stretch to call it a “ring,” but Suffolk County District Attorney Garrett Byrne declared that the arrests were just “the tip of the iceberg.” There had to be other perverted people in other wood-shingled houses. And Byrne had a way to catch them: A hotline people could call with anonymous tips about molesters...

Everybody was talking about the case, which led to the indictments of 24 men. During an interview on a Boston television station, poet and outspoken boy-lover Allen Ginsberg joked about the scandal. “I had sex when I was 8 with a man in the back of my grandfather's candy store in Revere, and I turned out okay,” Ginsberg declared before being hurried off-stage as the station cut to a commercial...

The story wraps up what you need to know:

Could NAMBLA's founders have had any idea that they would become America's symbol of organized depravity? That a group founded mostly by eccentric, boy-loving leftists would come to be considered Public Enemy Number One in the nation's battle against child sexual abuse?

Brings back rude memories of Kevin Jennings, Obama's Safe School Czar, doesn't it? Or ACLU President for 16 years, Nadine Strossen who kept convicted felon Steven C. Cunningham by her side, as as her Chief Aide (Strossen left the ACLU in 2008):
Steven C. Cunningham was convicted of the murky charge of Child Endangerment in the State of New Jersey. What is child endangerment? Did he fail to buckle a child’s seatbelt? Did he leave a small child at home, unattended? Did he go shopping with a child and let the child wander away? Did he allow a child to assault another child – endangering the assaulted? Did he let a child play with a medicine bottle?

No, that’s not what he did. He had three online chats with a boy that he believed was 12 years old, but was actually a police officer. According to charges filed, the phone calls were lewdly graphic and he attempted to meet “the child” somewhere. Cunningham was permanently disbarred in the State of New Jersey, but it appears that he is still licensed to practice in the State of New York and continues in the position of Chief Aide to ACLU President Nadine Strossen.

Since Strossen’s office will not confirm or deny Cunningham’s important position as her Chief Aide, why do I think he is still, indeed, with the ACLU? Here’s why: A search of New York State Unified Court System eCourts site confirms that Steven Christie Cunningham is licensed to practice in New York. Is Steven Christie Cunningham the same convicted Steven C. Cunningham? I think so. After this morning’s “no comment” from Strossen’s office, I called the phone number for Steven Christie Cunningham given on eCourts website. That call was answered by the New York Law School voicemail. When I selected Cunningham’s name from the list offered, the call was answered by Nadine Strossen’s office – the same young man who took my first call this a.m. and refused comment.

So much for the ACLU’s interest in your civil liberties or mine…our right to know if a man convicted of child endangerment is an integral part of the ACLU daily operations.

The New York State Unified Court System page today says Steven Christie Cunningham "resigned from bar - disciplinary reason" but fails to give a date. The ACLU, at the highest level, 'normalized' pedophilia.

As Rush said: Don't pooh-pooh the Left's push to normalize Pedophilia.


TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Politics; Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: acceptingpedophilia; nambla; pedophiles; rushlimbaugh

1 posted on 01/13/2013 7:03:20 PM PST by maggiesnotebook
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To: maggiesnotebook

This kind of crap was actually published by the University of Minnesota. AAAACCCCCKKKK!
Millstone. Neck. Deep blue sea.


2 posted on 01/13/2013 7:11:01 PM PST by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is the operational wing of CPUSA.)
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To: maggiesnotebook

Society should have a clear picture of sexual hygiene. Rules and expectations should be established. And if you break the rules, you should be executed. Now, the trick is to establish reasonable rules. But execution should be the only available punishment. The risk of repeat offenders is pretty much 100%, so don’t let that happen. One time is too many.


3 posted on 01/13/2013 7:11:40 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: maggiesnotebook

I teach high school students. I wouldn’t dare bring this subject up around them, but I’ve been teaching children this age long enough to know the kind of fear and disgust it would bring to practically all of them, the incident in Boston notwithstanding. The feelings of disgust appear to be natural, too, and for good reason, since it is appalingly obvious that an older person having sexual relations with the very young are doing so for their own physical release apart from the child involved. Even Islamic culture’s disturbing acceptance of child marriage seems to have rules about what happens, as opposed to this kind of orgiastic free-for-all.

We were all focused on Orwell’s dystopia when Aldous Huxley seems to be the more prescient one. God help us.

..... and Alan Ginsburg is mentioned as “normal” ?????? WTF, as my students would text.


4 posted on 01/13/2013 7:35:08 PM PST by redpoll
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To: maggiesnotebook

The company has made it my responsibility today to put an end
to 100,000 years of being weirded out by gays.

5 posted on 01/13/2013 8:01:35 PM PST by Slyfox (The key to Marxism is medicine - V. Lenin)
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To: maggiesnotebook

Almost everyone thinks Sodon and Gomorrah were destroyed over homosexuality (hence the term sodomy). Wrong. They were destroyed over the sexual abuse of children. Of course the first leads to the second.

As Christ said, “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’” The converse applies IMHO. And that brings (brought) the wrath.

That is where we’re headed? Apparently. God help those of us who oppose this. Please.


6 posted on 01/13/2013 8:14:11 PM PST by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: maggiesnotebook

In 1984, I worked on a committee researching a sex ed program. The authors of it were a group closely aligned with SEICUS. Imagine our surprise when we discovered that they were also lesbians.


7 posted on 01/13/2013 8:14:11 PM PST by Slyfox (The key to Marxism is medicine - V. Lenin)
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To: Fred Hayek
I remember a couple of decades ago when Dr. Laura (remember her?) said: "Gay marriage will next lead to having sex with children. I believe that."

And she was laughed at and hounded out of the business.

I agreed at the time how "absurd" her notion was.

I honestly thought that the next step to decadence would be polygamy, but I was wrong.

I underestimated the left.

Apparently it goes: gay rights, gay marriage, then pedophilia.

What comes after THAT?

8 posted on 01/13/2013 8:19:36 PM PST by boop ("You don't look so bad, here's another")
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To: maggiesnotebook

Hi Maggie,

The left will try normalize pedophilia. IMHO
They have a proven record of evil.


9 posted on 01/13/2013 8:20:14 PM PST by TribalPrincess2U (0bama's agenda¬óDivide and conquer. FREEDOM OR FREE STUFF- YOU GET ONE CHOICE, CHOOSE WISELY)
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To: redpoll

Great comment, and especially coming from a teacher. Thank you.


10 posted on 01/13/2013 8:24:44 PM PST by maggiesnotebook
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To: Slyfox

:-) Good luck. Hope your bonus is huge.


11 posted on 01/13/2013 8:25:49 PM PST by maggiesnotebook
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To: TribalPrincess2U

Hi TribalPrincess2U, I think you’re right about the Left. Some people think the word “evil” is overused. I don’t think it is considered and then used often enough.


12 posted on 01/13/2013 8:28:03 PM PST by maggiesnotebook
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To: maggiesnotebook

A molester touches my daughter and he gets fed to our retic. It’s that simple.


13 posted on 01/13/2013 8:39:24 PM PST by BCR #226 (02/07 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: piytar

Actually, they were destroyed over the sexual abuse of angels. But your point is well taken.

The Council of Nicea, the first ecumenical council after the Council of Jerusalem, determined that anyone who scandalizes a child must be defrocked and expelled from the community.

The greatest number of persons killed during the Spanish Inquisition (which, incidentally, applied only to those professing Catholicism; anyone who acknowledged being Jewish or Muslim was exempt) was of priests who had committed sexual abuse.

Many of Luther’s wild accusations against Rome were unfounded. He never had even visited Rome, or else he wouldn’t have falsely believed that the Vatican was in Rome. But one accusation he seems ashamed of, and so gains credibility in my eyes: While insisting that celibacy was unnatural, he alludes to unspeakable acts done by various monks.

Homophiles are those with same-sex attraction who may or may not be sexually active (whereas homosexual describes someone who has engaged in homosexual sex). Way back in 1961, Pope John XXIII warned bishops that homophiles must not be ordained as priests or religious, because the burdens of celibacy requires a heroic level of sexual health, and may further distort the sexuality of homophiles into pedophila. Sadly, the nearly schismatic American bishops ignored his warnings.

In 1978, with sexual abuse becoming epidemic, and lay psychologists fanning, rather than extinguishing the flames, the Catholic cardinals elected not as pope a former young-adult counsellor, matchmaker and romance novelist, turned exorcist. He fought the sex abuse scandal not by public trials (there were too many enablers), but with ecclesiastical reform, exorcisms and prayers. BY 1990, the rate of sexual abuse (according to the 2005 John Jay study) had been reduced 97%... before the media even caught a whiff of it. He was succeeded by yet another exorcist and liturgical reformer.

(Admit it... you didn’t realize that John Paul II was a romance novelist, young-adult counsellor or exorcist, did you?)


14 posted on 01/13/2013 8:41:38 PM PST by dangus
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To: redpoll

How long ago would the idea of a government school telling 11 year olds to act like street sluts be considered disgusting by normal society??

That is the point.

They are moving what is considered “normal” and they are doing it on purpose.


15 posted on 01/13/2013 8:50:25 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: boop

incest, its already on the list

why go to jail for molesting a kid when you can make it legal to molest your own?

This would be the ultimate goal of the homo’s, since molestation is their top method of recruitment.


16 posted on 01/13/2013 8:52:14 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: boop
What comes after THAT?

Utter evil is what comes next: bestiality, murder, necrophilia, cannibalism. Example: the case in Germany some years ago where one man killed another and partially ate him. But he was only sentenced to the standard penalty for murder because his victim had agreed to be killed and eaten.

17 posted on 01/13/2013 9:06:52 PM PST by Clock King
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To: Clock King
I remember that case. The murder victim "agreed" to be turned into a sausage.

Because of the victim's agreement, the German court allowed it.

Hell's Bells. Couldn't ANY murderer say that his victim "agreed" to be killed?

Go figure the Germans and sausage. I mean murder. I mean a man who speaks German couldn't be bad, now could he?

18 posted on 01/13/2013 9:22:00 PM PST by boop ("You don't look so bad, here's another")
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To: maggiesnotebook

I think it is useful to draw a distinction between pedophilia (attraction to a prepubescent child) and hebephilia (attraction to fertile, post-pubescent teenagers.) The one is simply not as wicked or damaging as the other. Not saying it should be legalized, but the lock em up and throw away the key mentality seems out of place for young men having consensual relations with older teenage girls.

I have done enough genealogy to determine that HUNDREDS of my male ancestors would have been imprisoned under today’s laws for taking wives between ages 13-17.


19 posted on 01/13/2013 9:32:42 PM PST by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: maggiesnotebook

I think it is useful to draw a distinction between pedophilia (attraction to a prepubescent child) and hebephilia (attraction to fertile, post-pubescent teenagers.) The one is simply not as wicked or damaging as the other. Not saying it should be legalized, but the lock em up and throw away the key mentality seems out of place for young men having consensual relations with older teenage girls.

I have done enough genealogy to determine that HUNDREDS of my male ancestors would have been imprisoned under today’s laws for taking wives between ages 13-17.


20 posted on 01/13/2013 9:32:54 PM PST by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: dangus

“(Admit it... you didn’t realize that John Paul II was a romance novelist, young-adult counsellor or exorcist, did you?)”

Nope. Had no clue except about the exorcist part. Your knowledge is FAR better than mine. But I think we agree on the main points, with some refinement of them by you. Or rather I hope so...


21 posted on 01/13/2013 10:44:03 PM PST by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: dangus

“(Admit it... you didn’t realize that John Paul II was a romance novelist, young-adult counsellor or exorcist, did you?)”

Nope. Had no clue except about the exorcist part. Your knowledge is FAR better than mine. But I think we agree on the main points, with some refinement of them by you. Or rather I hope so...


22 posted on 01/13/2013 10:44:08 PM PST by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: maggiesnotebook

They’re halfway there (or more) already. When a queer advocacy group is brought into a public school to instruct children on the explicit details of a sex act, what does anyone else call it? If a teacher/ neighbor/ family member did that to *my* kid, charges *would* be filed. Not to be gross, but think about the next step down (not up) from there.
This is how it has happened: step by step by step.

(Where is the input from the mental health community who treat children *and* adults who are & were victims of pedophilia? It doesn’t just affect them, it can affect every relationship they have, including their spouses, their children, & their life at work)


23 posted on 01/13/2013 10:58:25 PM PST by KGeorge (hoplophobia: n. irrational, morbid fear of guns. A mental disorder coined by Col. Jeff Cooper)
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To: maggiesnotebook

Hey, but it’s all about CHOICE, isn’t it? If one chooses youngsters and said youngsters agree, isn’t that freedom of CHOICE? < /lib busting sarc >


24 posted on 01/14/2013 8:31:39 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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