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To: TXnMA; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; xzins; MHGinTN; hosepipe
I have to say, I love FR just for these kinds of discussions.

I didn't read any of the replies as particularly a disagreement so much as a continuation of the discussion started in 143, trying to draw some distinctions that I did not make, between “ex nihilo” events and divine interventions that do not (apparently) generate something from nothing but rather redirect or choreograph events. The latter might fall under your “formation” heading.

One question is whether the “big bang” was a single explosion that carried within it the basic formula from which everything we see has unfolded, or was it rather more like the opening of a valve from which a steady stream is emitted (though still with those same basic formula governing physical behavior). I couldn't even begin to answer that kind of question.

My belief is that “creation” is a fundamental element in God's essence, like love, it is in part who he is. Furthermore that, since we are made in his image, it is a fundamental part of who we are. And to push my line of reasoning a bit further, that it is an important part of why he created us; first, because thats what he does, but more as a way of furthering the process of creation. We are tools who are intended to join in creation.

Its important to notice that parts of the process are mechanical, and are predictable, and parts of it have been given independent intellect and will which adds an element of spontaneity to the process. This seems to be by design. Rather than a universe of telephone poles he seems to prefer forests of unique trees whose final shape is not entirely predictable or controlled.

He can work with that kind of uncertainty the way a sailor uses winds he doesn't control to go to a destination he does control. He doesn't need to control everything to remain in control of everything.

Most people picture heaven as a kind of static place but I don't. If creation is, as I say, fundamental to God's nature then it continues today and on into eternity. We have roles to play and will continue to have roles to play on into eternity. I could be wrong, but I hope to find out (and hope to see you all when we get to the other side).

With this, I have batted the ball back over the net. I look forward to the responses.

239 posted on 01/22/2013 10:21:28 AM PST by marron
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To: marron; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; xzins; MHGinTN; hosepipe
Dear Brother, you wrote:

"He can work with that kind of uncertainty the way a sailor uses winds he doesn't control to go to a destination he does control. He doesn't need to control everything to remain in control of everything."

Ab-so-lutely beautiful! May I copy and print that and hang it on my wall? I am facing uncertain times, (aren't we all?) and that statement landed upon me with a calming, soothing effect that still resonates within me!

Thank you!!

242 posted on 01/22/2013 11:53:54 AM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias... "Barack": Allah's current ally...)
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To: marron
Thank you so very much for your wonderful essay-post, dear brother in Christ!

Its important to notice that parts of the process are mechanical, and are predictable, and parts of it have been given independent intellect and will which adds an element of spontaneity to the process. This seems to be by design. Rather than a universe of telephone poles he seems to prefer forests of unique trees whose final shape is not entirely predictable or controlled.

So very true.

And, as you say, He does not need to control every thing to remain in control of everything.

Like you, I look forward to even more of that spontaneity in the next life.

251 posted on 01/22/2013 9:45:22 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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