See especially post # 138
Posted on 01/19/2013 9:23:55 AM PST by ABrit
.....During the 2008 campaign, Obama admitted Lolo Soetoro was his step-father and he was in Indonesia in 1968 attending elementary school. Lolo Soetoro and Obama's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham-Soetoro, were married in Hawaii in 1965. Obama campaign supporters have consistently and repeatedly insisted Indonesian Law would not allow Obama to be adopted by Lolo Soetoro and he could not be naturalized as an Indonesian citizen because of his age. Furthermore, Obama supporters insist his Indonesian citizenship is irrelevant to his allegience to the United States as a natural born citizen of the United States.
Obama was not adopted in Indonesia. He was adopted by Lolo Soetoro in Hawaii in 1967. When the Soetoro adoption was finalized in 1967, Obama's original long form birth certificate was sealed by order of the Court and archived by the Hawaii Department of Health (HDOH). A sealed vital record is null and void for all future legal or administrative proceedings. In addition to sealing Obama's original long form birth certificate, the Court ordered a Certification of Live Birth (COLB) created and filed by the registrar of HDOH. Lolo Soetoro was listed as the paternal parent for Barry Soetoro for a live birth on August 4, 1961, Honolulu, HI and filed on August 8, 1961.....
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You obviously didn't comprehend what I meant when I wrote that this was a simple misstatement.
BC were collected for an entire month and then processed by regions at one time. That’s when they were numbered.
Again, probably not. We're talking about hundreds of documents that would have to sit somewhere until they could be numbered. Maybe they numbered these at the end of a week, not the end of a month, but more likely they were numbered at the time they were signed by the local registrar, at which point the document would be "filed" as is stated by the registrar's signature.
If you look at the analysis at http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/bc-number-manipulation-analysis.pdf you see that Sunahara’s BC# comes within the Honolulu births, which doesn’t work in ANY respect - with any numbering method, including the alphabetization one.
Waidelich’s BC# is 332 into the Honolulu BC’s; there would be 331 before him and 302 after him. That would mean 331 people with last names from A-V, and 302 people with last names starting with W, X, Y, and Z.
It’s not odd that Aug 1961 BC’s haven’t surfaced, given the threats that have been made to various people over this issue. The people I have spoken with who have ties to Hawaii are scared - even scared of going to the HDOH office to check things out. If I remember correctly, Corsi did not “find” Johanna Ah Nee’s BC; she offered it to him. And it seems like Dr. Conspiracy is very familiar with her details; I wonder if they know each other..
It’s interesting that you mentioned the unreliability of memories in an earlier post. Given the CDC’s statistics, about 30% (434/1,472)of the babies born in Hawaii in August of 1961 were white - not Black, not Asian/Hawaiian. Monika Waidelich remembered there being one Black baby (which she assumed was Obama) and one white baby (her son). Must have been a really weird 4-7 days at Kapiolani, that out of the 100-175 babies born in Honolulu during those 4-7 days, Kapiolani’s nursery only had one white baby and one Black baby, when 30% would equal 30-52 white babies born during those 4-7 days. Granted, that was a short experience for Mrs. Waidelich, and she might not have remembered very clearly.
Verna Lee has a distinct advantage at being able to remember the details she spoke about, because she worked at her job day in and day out for YEARS, following the routine procedures.
Do you acknowledge that the HDOH has been caught altering the 1960-64 birth index to include names from non-valid records? If so, why do you think they did that, and what other falsifying might they have they done with their records?
Here’s how CNN found Stig Waidelich:
Swede provides ‘proof’ in Obama birth debate
The Local; Sweden’s News In English
Published: 29 Apr 11 07:01 CET
A Swedish woman, Monica Danielsson, 78, may have provided the last piece in a the puzzle on where US president Barack Obama was born, when CNN recently went to Hawaii finally lay the matter to rest.
“Obama was lying there next to my Stig in the bassinet and I remember him because he was the only black child there and I thought he was very cute,” she said to Swedish daily Expressen.
CNN recently sent reporter Gary Tuchman from the show ‘Andersson Cooper 360’ to Hawaii to find evidence that president Obama was born there.
While there, he quickly discovered an announcement in the birth columns of the local paper of a Stig Waidelich who was born in the same hospital the day after Obama.
“They then tried to track me down to compare my son’s birth certificate to the one provided by Obama,” Danielsson said.
Monica, who was borh in Traneberg in Stockholm, moved to Hawaii 50 years ago.
Her memories of an African-American baby at the maternity ward further corroborate the story.
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http://www.thelocal.se/33472/20110429/#.UQBKIHy9KSN
Given the number of Black babies born in Hawaii (based on the CDC’s figures), there would have been a Black baby in the nursery on any given day.
However, there should have been somewhere between 30-50 white babies in the Honolulu nurseries (of which Kapiolani is by far the largest) on any given day. Monika said Stig was the only one there.
So either Waidelich’s memories are a bit confused, she’s making it up out of whole cloth, or those 4-7 days surrounding the birth of her son were extremely anomalous.
I wonder when and how Stig “lost” his long-form.
How did CNN get from a birth announcement saying “Mr. and Mrs. John Waidelich” to “Monica Danielsson”?
I don’t know. I assume that they first got ahold of Stig and he put them in touch with his mother?
What she actually said was: “I have no absolute proof of course, but I saw Obama and I have always thought it was Obama,” she told Expressen.
It’s just her belief. But she did give birth at Kapi’olani on August 5, 1961 so there is a possibility.
From the article:
“According to CNN, the document given to Stig from the Department of Health is the same exact document that President Obama has released. “
There you have it. Obama has released Stig’s BC.
Why bring her into it? If what they were after was Stig’s COLB, Stig could have asked the HDOH for it himself. In fact, CNN presented the video footage as Stig picking up the BC he had requested.
But in that article, Monica said they were trying to round HER up to see the birth certificate, to compare it to Obama’s. Not like they were going to have somebody ask for a birth certificate and see what they would get; that wouldn’t require them talking to Stig’s mom.
Could it be that the HDOH pointed CNN to Stig’s mother because THEY wanted to make sure Stig’s mother didn’t have a long-form any more? They told her they wanted to see Stig’s BC to compare it to Obama’s. She didn’t have a BC so they knew the coast was clear, so then they had her ask for a COLB, flew him in to Hawaii, and had the HDOH give him one that showed an altered BC# on it. Then 2 days later Obama could show the world an HDOH-fabricated BC with the BC# that belonged to Stig.
However, there should have been somewhere between 30-50 white babies in the Honolulu nurseries (of which Kapiolani is by far the largest) on any given day. Monika said Stig was the only one there.
No, she didn’t. She said there was one black baby in the nursery and that the black baby was in the bassinet next to her son. She made no comment about the number of non-black babies in the nursery.
Everything you theorize is certainly possible except Stig didn’t need to be flown in, I believe that he lives in Hawai’i, in Honolulu.
When he said that he didn’t have a copy of his birth certificate, it made good visuals for CNN to take him to HDOH to get one and his mother saying that she actually remembered seeing a black baby in the nursery made for an even better story.
Because my situation is similar to his in that I have no idea where my original birth certificate is but I think it is at my parents’ house (I’ve gotten by with a short form print out for the last thirty years), if someone wanted to see my copy of my original long form, I would direct them to my parents.
Also, blacks are currently only 2% of Hawaii’s population. I imagine that it was less than 1% in 1960, so a black child would stand out in a Honolulu nursery.
“302 people with last names starting with W, X, Y, and Z.”
Not if they were divided into geographic regions you would have 302 people some from the other Honolulu County region and others from other islands. In those cases the the letter could be anything from A-Z.
“If I remember correctly, Corsi did not “find” Johanna Ah Nee’s BC; she offered it to him.”
She has twice requested its return — probably through her friend who asked her if she would loan it — but Mr. Corsi has not returned the certificate.
WND could offer a bounty for August 1961 BCs. IIRC, some of the parents listed in the newspaper announcements are still owners of the houses from 1961.
“Monika Waidelich”
I put her statements in the same category as I put Abercrombie, Mrs. Nordyke, Stanley Ann’s Washington friends. They are interesting but it is impossible to evaluate them as anything than waht they are memories from 40-50 years ago of an event that probable was that memorable to begin with. How much have their stories been influenced by what they read in the news before a reporter showed up at their house. I’m sure their is a certain amount of exaggeration and false memories.
As to Ms. Lee while I agree that she would remember the system she used everyday, is she conflating different systems. In 1961 she would have been 45, 46. Did she work at the DOH until she retired at 65? Is she remembering how things were done in 1961 or 1971 or 1981. Did the system change overtime? If you showed her Axxxx’s BC and cert number and the Nordyes’ and Obama’s and Waidelich’s, would she go “oh yeah we did alphabetize them.”?
“Do you acknowledge that the HDOH has been caught”
Are you telling me some computer programmer misunderstood something and wrote code that encluded BCs that shouldn’t have been there?
When President Obama became a candidate in 2008, Monika noticed his birth date and hospital in an article and remembered that day in the nursery. Since then more memories of Obama growing up has come back to Danielsson.
"The memories come rushing back to me. Obama was very into sport and my son was good at tennis, although Obama was more into basketball," she said.
Second, the Swedish story says, ""Stig, who no longer has his original birth certificate, can use this document for any court proceedings and any legal purposes", CNN said in a statement." Now consider that CNN could track down Stig's mother who wasn't going by the same last name, but they are completely incurious as to why Obama has NEVER used his alleged birth document in ANY court proceedings or for ANY legal purposes. Hmmm...Stig, who no longer has his original birth certificate, can use this document for any court proceedings and any legal purposes
“Monika told CNN that she remembers visiting the nursery after Stig’s birth and seeing a lot of Asian babies, one white baby which was her son, and one black baby.”
The numbers I gave already accounted for the geographical division. That’s why I said there would be that many HONOLULU births before and after Waidelich’s number.
So Dr. Con does have an “in” with Johanna Ah Nee.
The reason to have the stuff sorted geographically was because the CDC penalized states if too many of their BC’s on the tapes that were sent in were from a different geographic area. They set the geographic location to fill in automatically because the tapes were supposed to have the births in groups by geographic area, and if they had too many that were sprinkled in from other places they had to go to the extra trouble of overriding the automatic setting. So it doesn’t seem like there would be much reason for the system to change over time.
And if the eyewitnesses can’t even remember how they did it then it is ESPECIALLY imperative that we look at the actual microfilms, because that’s the only place we’re going to get answers.
There would have been no need to forge Virginia Sunahara’s death certificate unless something on it was changed. Why would they have to change the information on a dead baby girl’s 50-year-old death certificate? And to put such glaring signs of forgery (Territory of Hawaii reference on a State of Hawaii death certificate and, mismatched, misaligned fonts - all on the same row as a handwritten, anomalous BC#).
I am not saying that any computer person “mistakenly” changed code. Somebody deliberately put into the 1960-64 birth index individual names that were from nonvalid records. Another adopted person did NOT have her birth name in the index, so it wasn’t that they accidentally set the printing to include all BC’s including non-valid, legally sealed records. Individual names were specifically manipulated to be put into that index. Norman and Nathan Asing were 2 of those names, and what Onaka revealed to Ken Bennett indirectly confirms that Obama’s name was another.
Do you acknowledge that the 1960-64 birth index includes legally non-valid records?
BUT if Stig used that short-form at the Department of Hawaiian HOme Lands, he would also have to spend extra money to get the REST of the “contents of his birth certificate” verified by the HDOH. The HDOH’s current policy costs people extra money at the DHHL. Sure, the short-form CAN be used at the DHHL, but it is not legally sufficient by itself. A person has to use a combination of a $10 short-form and a $5 verification in order to legally fulfill the DHHL’s requirements for certification of the “contents” of their birth certificate (which HRS 338-13 requires the HDOH to show upon request).
Why do you think Stig lives in Hawaii? He owns a clothing store in Washington, which upgraded its location around the same time as the breaches to Obama’s passport file.
Lucy and Nully, can you ping the lists on this one? I’ve been so busy with other stuff that I haven’t gone into the Sunahara death certificate forgery much, but it corroborates my belief that somebody at the HDOH is putting red flags in the forgeries that Fuddy is forcing them to create - including Obama’s HDOH-fabricated BC at the request of law enforcement (Eric Holder?).
I meant to say that somebody at the HDOH putting such glaring signs of forgery on Virginia Sunahara’s death certificate strongly suggests that somebody at the HDOH is resisting what they are being forced to do. It would have been no sweat to just leave everything the same except the handwritten number when the forgery was done. To put in the misaligned, mismatched fonts and the T. H. (standing for Territory of Hawaii) took extra effort. Why go to that extra effort to put in blatant signs of forgery, unless it was intended to be a red flag?
A lot of us wondered why Obama’s long-form forgery was so badly done. Well, in the case of Virginia’s death certificate we know that the forgery itself came from somebody at the HDOH who went to extra trouble to put in red flags during the course of the forgery. Apparently they were forced to do the forgery (Loretta Fuddy would be the one capable of forcing somebody to do something like that) and they resisted by putting in red flags.
I believe the same thing happened with Obama’s long-form. Somebody resisted by putting in red flags, and that’s why the Obama people couldn’t just scan or photograph what the HDOH gave them, even though the “information contained in” the image they ended up creating “matched” the “information contained in” what the HDOH gave them.
IOW, somebody put in signs of the document’s non-validity: LATE and/or ALTERED stamps, and possibly a notation in the final box as well - noting what evidence was offered for a late or altered filing. That box could be empty though, if no evidence was offered (which seems characteristic of Obama and his people...) Depends on how Onaka interpreted the word “information” - whether it only meant the information in the boxes, or whether it also included things like LATE and ALTERED stamps.
Whoever stamped the document with LATE and ALTERED presumably did it after Fuddy observed the copies being made, and they presumably also used the stamp with TXE and added the smiley face to Onaka’s signature - more red flags, which the Obama people apparently missed, in their rush to get rid of the LATE and ALTERED stamps and come up with something for the press conference that looked like it was certified.
Interesting factoid:
Edith Coats was born in Hawaii with a U.S. citizen father and Australian mother with Verna K. L. Lee as the registrar accepting the attestation of the of the mother, delivery doctor, and hospital admin for vital statistics.
Barack Obama has a U.S. Citizen mother and African father with Verna K. L. Lee as the registrar accepting the attestation of the mother, delivery doctor, and hospital admin for vital statistics.
I’d venture a guess all OLFBCs in Hawaii in the 60’s with at least one non-citizen parent were accepted by Verna K. L. Lee.
Also, see my post on multiple SSNs issued to non-citizen applicants.
http://svenmagnussen.blogspot.com
See especially post # 138
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