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36% Believe Obama is Hiding Biographical Information
Sven Magnussen ^ | Jan 18, 2013 | Sven Magnussen

Posted on 01/19/2013 9:23:55 AM PST by ABrit

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To: butterdezillion

and did you ever notice, how nice everything lines up on her BC? and how consistent the fonts are?


151 posted on 01/24/2013 3:58:04 PM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: butterdezillion
and notice that the 50 year old seal shows up?


152 posted on 01/24/2013 4:08:09 PM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Nero Germanicus
My guess is that CNN was referring to what it says on every Hawaii short form COLB: “This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding.”

That doesn't address the point I brought up at all. Obama has had scores of opportunties to use any of his alleged COLBs or LFBCs in a court of law, yet he refuses. The question is how solid investigators don't act surprised or intrigued by this fact, but they can go track down somebody's mother who unsupported memories.

As for the skin color of babies at birth, I have no idea.

You don't to have an idea. We had an eyewitness describe baby Obama as new and PINK.

The baby in your first picture is probably at least 2 months old if not a couple of months older. This about the time when babies can lay on their tummy and lift their heads. As for the twins, it's irrelevant since we have a description of a new and PINK baby Obama.

153 posted on 01/24/2013 5:57:54 PM PST by edge919
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To: edge919

Speaking of twins, strange that Monica didn’t notice that the Nordyke girls were white...


154 posted on 01/24/2013 6:25:25 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: null and void; LucyT; butterdezillion

Thanks for the ping!


155 posted on 01/24/2013 7:09:55 PM PST by thecodont
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To: SvenMagnussen

Interesting theory.


156 posted on 01/24/2013 7:11:04 PM PST by thecodont
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To: butterdezillion; Fred Nerks
“Monika told CNN that she remembers visiting the nursery after Stig’s birth and seeing a lot of Asian babies, one white baby which was her son, and one black baby.”

Her memory reminds me of the baby sitter in Seattle...


157 posted on 01/24/2013 7:36:29 PM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: butterdezillion

“So Stig Waidelich could prove that a birth happened.”

I think Stig was a bit too young at the time to prove that a birth happened. But in his case, his mother, Monica Danielsson can prove that a birth happened and the attending physician’s signature on a copy of a Certificate of Live Birth along with the seal and signature of the Registrar are accepted in courts of law as proof that a birth happened.


158 posted on 01/24/2013 7:54:44 PM PST by Nero Germanicus
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To: Mears

bfl


159 posted on 01/24/2013 8:06:30 PM PST by Mears
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To: The Sons of Liberty

1 o/o. Czars and cabinet members


160 posted on 01/24/2013 8:11:09 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: edge919

What about the newborn in the second photo? Do they both look “pink” to you?
Obama’s attorneys have asked US District Court Judge Henry T. Wingate in Mississippi to take judicial notice of a Certified Letter of Verification from the Hawaii Registrar of Vital Statistics. Attached to that Letter of Verification is a copy of Obama’s long form birth certificate.
Since there is no state or federal law that requires a candidate or a federal elected official to submit a birth certificate, there has been no need for Obama to enter one into evidence in any lawsuit or ballot challenge. If a Trier of Fact would like to see the long form, he or she can issue a court order for its release. But I’m sure that you are aware that defendants are under no obligation to present ANY evidence. Perhaps a lawsuit will have a real discovery phase one of these days and the two copies Obama got from Hawaii will be on a discovery list.


161 posted on 01/24/2013 8:36:51 PM PST by Nero Germanicus
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To: Nero Germanicus

If judicial notice was taken of the BC itself then Taitz would have the ability to demand the original to be presented for her examination. MDEC didn’t ask the judge to take judicial notice of the forged BC though - just the letter of verification (where they never asked about the genuineness of the White House image or the truthfulness of the claims). They asked if the “information contained in” the White House image “matched”. When KS SOS Kris Kobach asked if the information in the White House image was “IDENTICAL TO” the information in the genuine record, Onaka would not verify that - showing that there is a difference between “matches” and “is identical to”.

The MDEC lawyers knew that. That’s why they were very careful never to ask anything that would only work for a valid record. It was their actions which made me realize that they knew Onaka had confirmed the non-validity of the HDOH record.


162 posted on 01/24/2013 8:48:29 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

Nero Germanicus
Since Jan 1, 2013

before you exhaust yourself.


163 posted on 01/24/2013 9:20:12 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Brown Deer

Mary baby-sat the black baby in January 1961 for Anna Obama, whose name appeared in the Seattle Polk for 1961-1962.
Susan Blake saw the pink baby when Stanley Ann Dunham came to visit and tell her she was married to the kenyan student. And then she took off, and Susan never saw again.

Mary babysat Barack Hussein Obama 11, the child the kenyan student (or Ruth) took to Kenya in the Fall of 1964.


164 posted on 01/24/2013 9:40:13 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: butterdezillion

Actually if the judge takes judicial notice, it works against Orly Taitz, not in her favor.
Taking judicial notice is “a doctrine of evidence applied by a court that allows the court to recognize and accept the existence of a particular fact commonly known by persons of average intelligence without establishing its existence by admitting evidence in a civil or criminal action.

When a court takes judicial notice of a certain fact, it obviates the need for parties to prove the fact in court. Ordinarily, facts that relate to a case must be presented to the judge or jury through testimony or tangible evidence. However, if each fact in a case had to be proved through such presentation, the simplest case would take weeks to complete. To avoid burdening the judicial system, all legislatures have approved court rules that allow a court to recognize facts that constitute common knowledge without requiring proof from the parties.”

So if Judge Wingate were to take judicial notice of Dr. Onaka’s Letter of Verification and the attached LFBC, there will be no need for the defense to prove the validity of the Obama birth record in this trial in Mississippi and likely in future trials, based on this precedent.


The word “matched” in the letter goes with Federal Rule of Evidence 1005:
“Copies of Public Records To Prove Content”

RULE 1005. COPIES OF PUBLIC RECORDS TO PROVE CONTENT

The proponent may use a copy to prove the content of an official record — or of a document that was recorded or filed in a public office as authorized by law — if these conditions are met: the record or document is otherwise admissible; and the copy is certified as correct in accordance with Rule 902(4) or is testified to be correct by a witness who has COMPARED it with the original. If no such copy can be obtained by reasonable diligence, then the proponent may use other evidence to prove the content.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/fre/rule_1005

Registrar Onaka says in the letter that he compared the attached copy and it “matched” the original. We’ll all just have to continue to wait for Judge Wingate to rule.


165 posted on 01/24/2013 10:22:56 PM PST by Nero Germanicus
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To: butterdezillion
Speaking of twins, strange that Monica didn’t notice that the Nordyke girls were white...

Yes, I was thinking that too, after reading the account of all the Asian babies and only one white baby. Those Nordyke twins keep spoiling all of the excuses and fibs for Obama.

166 posted on 01/24/2013 11:17:46 PM PST by edge919
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To: ABrit
...There is no birth record for Obama in the bound book. That is why Hawaii hid the book in a locked room.

We can't know that for certain, no one has seen it. There might be an entry there for the child of Anna Obama and the kenyan student, born in January.

167 posted on 01/24/2013 11:18:23 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Nero Germanicus
What about the newborn in the second photo? Do they both look “pink” to you?

It doesn't matter what I think. Unless that's Obama's baby picture, it means absolutely NOTHING. If you want to quibble, contact Obama's mama's friend who said he was PINK.

Obama’s attorneys have asked US District Court Judge Henry T. Wingate in Mississippi to take judicial notice of a Certified Letter of Verification from the Hawaii Registrar of Vital Statistics. Attached to that Letter of Verification is a copy of Obama’s long form birth certificate.

Why didn't they just provide any of the actual certified hard copies that are considered prima facie evidence??? That's what most rational people would do. Under the rules of evidence, unless the certified copy is presented in court and made available to the plaintiffs, those exhibits are considered hearsay and mean NOTHING.

Since there is no state or federal law that requires a candidate or a federal elected official to submit a birth certificate, there has been no need for Obama to enter one into evidence in any lawsuit or ballot challenge.

Then what's the point in talking about Obama's attorneys asking for judicial notice?? That's not required, yet you seem to want credit for that, but that's kind of wanting to have it both ways.

If a Trier of Fact would like to see the long form, he or she can issue a court order for its release.

I'm pretty sure that's been tried, but Hawaii refused to cooperate.

But I’m sure that you are aware that defendants are under no obligation to present ANY evidence.

No, they are under no obligation and the court is under no obligation to believe or accept any claims made through judicial notice or through hearsay, such as Monika Danielsson. All this means is what I said earlier. Obama refuses to submit one of the alleged certified hard copies he possesses. Although, I don't know if he really possesses the LFBC. When they held the press conference, IIRC, they made a point of saying that he was NOT allowed to handle the LFBC. Wonder why?

Perhaps a lawsuit will have a real discovery phase one of these days and the two copies Obama got from Hawaii will be on a discovery list.

Why should it require a "real" discovery phase?? How about simple transparency and doing the right thing?? And why is it not obvious that refusing to present any documentary proof in court is why this issue never seems to get resolved?? How can anyone respect a president ... and a former lawyer, for not presenting basic proof of citizenship??

168 posted on 01/24/2013 11:34:31 PM PST by edge919
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To: Nero Germanicus
When a court takes judicial notice of a certain fact, it obviates the need for parties to prove the fact in court.

No, that's not true under the rules of evidence, at least not when there are documents that have to be certified as CORRECT.

So if Judge Wingate were to take judicial notice of Dr. Onaka’s Letter of Verification and the attached LFBC, there will be no need for the defense to prove the validity of the Obama birth record in this trial in Mississippi and likely in future trials, based on this precedent.

This assumption already failed in the Kansas ballot challenge in September. It was pointed out that the MDEC letter did NOT certify the LFBC as correct as is required under the rules of evidence. This is why SOS Kobach felt compelleged to contact Hawaii and ask if the LFBC was IDENTICAL. The ballot challenge successfully shifted the burden of proof, but that burden should have been placed on Obama and his counsel and not the Kansas SOS.

The word “matched” in the letter goes with Federal Rule of Evidence 1005:

Well, no actually it doesn't and your own citation shows why.

if these conditions are met: the record or document is otherwise admissible; and the copy is certified as correct in accordance with Rule 902(4) or is testified to be correct by a witness who has COMPARED it with the original.

"match" does NOT equal "correct" especially when we're talking about a document that must be certified. And moreover, under the rules of evidence, if the certified document is not submitted for inspection by the opposing party prior to the trial or hearing, the document is treated as hearsay.

Now, if we can't get the actual hard copy of the alleged certified LFBC in court and Alvin T. Onaka Ph.D. refuses to verify all information in the letters of verifications, then maybe Alvin would be willing to testify in court??

169 posted on 01/24/2013 11:45:06 PM PST by edge919
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To: SvenMagnussen
...Barack Obama has a U.S. Citizen mother and African father with Verna K. L. Lee as the registrar accepting the attestation of the mother, delivery doctor, and hospital admin for vital statistics.

I was under the impression that Verna K. L. Lee was the Local Registrar for the region that included the Wahiawa Hospital. (See the Edith Coates doc.) If zero was really born at Kapiolani, she would not have been the registar to sign 'his' birth certificate. The Registrar for the region that included Kapiolani is the person who signed the document received from the hospital for the Nordyke twins.

170 posted on 01/25/2013 12:08:27 AM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: SvenMagnussen

http://thedailypen.blogspot.com.au/2011/04/out-of-order-obamas-non-sequential.html

This research is littered with clues.


171 posted on 01/25/2013 2:16:35 AM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Nero Germanicus; edge919

Your own citation proves the point. “Correct” is not the same as “matched”. Notice that MDEC itself did not certify delivery of its motion by saying that a copy that “matches” was delivered to the plaintiffs, but that a true and correct copy was sent.

They know that “matches” doesn’t cut it in legal language. In Duncan Sunahara’s case the judge deliberated over whether to accept the copy of “Public Health Regulations” that was presented by Deputy AG Jill Nagamine because though Nagamine certified that it was a true and correct copy taken from the government website, there was not a certification by the authority holding the record that it was a true and correct copy. That’s how picky the exact language and exact certifying elements are. “Matches” has no legal significance whatsoever. Just like “indicates”. Both the judges and the attorneys know that full well. That’s why the AG’s office would allow Onaka to use “indicates” and “matches” and not the legal language required in a court of law.

When something gets judicial notice, the opposition has the opportunity to challenge it and require the records to be submitted in court. Judicial notice simply provides a way to skip that part if both parties acknowledge the fact at hand. That’s why Obama’s attorneys have never asked a judge to notice the actual forged documents, but only somebody’s COMMENTS about the forged documents - the first time the report by Jess Hennig and Joe Miller, the Factcheck employees who presumably helped forge the COLB, and now it is Onaka who used the legally worthless word “matches”.

That legal maneuver to avoid having either the COLB or the long-form even be “noticed” makes edge’s point perfectly. They are very deliberately avoiding presenting that thing as evidence. Why argue that the thing is able to be submitted in a court and then scratch, claw, bite, and worm your way around to make sure it never is?


172 posted on 01/25/2013 3:56:41 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: ABrit

36% ‘eh? So the other 64% get their news from the TV.


173 posted on 01/25/2013 4:02:29 AM PST by IamConservative (The soul of my lifes journey is Liberty!)
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To: Fred Nerks

Yeah, I noticed that too.

It is interesting to see what the Fogbowers are saying though, and what legal arguments they will try to use to get around what Onaka actually confirmed. The stuff they bring up helps me know what to research so I will be more exact and knowledgeable. They don’t realize how much they have helped me over the last 3 years. They’ve also wasted a lot of my time, but some good has come from some of the time spent as well. They’re here to fish information from me and others, but it works both ways.


174 posted on 01/25/2013 4:03:46 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: Fred Nerks; WildHighlander57

It’s difficult to overcome the hurdle and state Obama was not born in Hawaii when you’ve got a signed affidavit from the mother, delivery doctor and hospital admin attesting to the fact a live birth took place on Aug. 4, 1961 in Hawaii. And the attestation was made within a few days of the event. Also, the affidavit of a live birth was “accepted” by a registrar of the HDOH.

It’s time to accept the fact Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961. If you believe natural born citizenship status is held in perpetuity and can never be lost, taken away, renounced or dismissed, then Obama is eligible for POTUS and always will be.

I’ve always believed U.S. citizenship and natural born citizenship status is precarious for anyone, regardless of age, who moves out of the country and naturalizes in a foreign state or maintains dual citizenship. A careful review of Vance v. Terrazas demonstrates how precarious citizenship status can be for a U.S Citizen who moves out of the country and renounces their U.S. Citizenship before any tribunal or administrative body.

Terrazas renounced his U.S. Citizenship before Mexican officials and never renounced it before U.S. officials. Yet, the SoS issued him a Certificate of Loss of Nationality. The U.S. District Court ruled in favor of the SoS. The Appeals Court overturned the U.S. District Court. And SCOTUS, in 1980, reversed and remanded the Appeals Court. In 1986, Congress amended the INA to comply with the 1980, Vance v. Terrazas ruling.

We know that Stanley Ann amended her renewal passport in Aug, 1967 to exclude Obama and his St. Francis Assisi enrollment, dated Jan. 1, 1968, indicated Barry Soetoro was an Indonesian National. That’s all it takes for the SoS to issue a Certificate of Loss of Nationality.


175 posted on 01/25/2013 4:23:42 AM PST by SvenMagnussen (TINKER, TAILOR, SOLDIER, SPY)
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To: SvenMagnussen

Sven, do you realize that Hawaii statute allows the HDOH to totally fabricate a birth certificate if law enforcement claims the registrant needs a fictitious birth certificate in order to be safe?

When that is done the resulting BC has to be assigned a different number than the original BC# that registrant had. This is the only case where somebody can have a BC that has a different BC# than what was given to the BC originally.

We have at least 3 people whose August 1961 BC#’s from the HDOH office cannot be what they were given in 1961, based on either of the 2 contradictory numbering methods described by former and current HDOH spokesmen: Barack Obama, Stig Waidelich, and Virginia Sunahara. If Johanna Ah Nee’s forged BC is really from the HDOH that would be another one (Onaka’s signature doesn’t seem to be right, and the BC# itself has digits overlap, which could not have happened on a genuine BC - but those could be red flags put in by the person at the HDOH who was forced to create the forgery, like the red flags described below. I suspect that BC did come from the HDOH but it is another forgery that Fuddy forced her workers to create and which they resisted; see below. If this came from the HDOH then we have FOUR Aug 1961 BC#’s that the HDOH has falsified).

Onaka has indirectly confirmed that Obama’s Hawaii birth record is not legally valid, and Virginia Sunahara’s death certificate has 3 blatant signs of forgery within the same line that has the handwritten, anomalous BC#: the abbreviation T. H. (which stands for Territory of Hawaii), unmatching fonts between T.H. and FILE NO, and FILE and NO being misaligned with T.H. It took extra effort to put in those glaring signs of forgery, so somebody at the HDOH is taking time to make sure that death certificate is recognized as a forgery from the HDOH.

In addition, I have proven that the HDOH specifically added non-valid names to their 1960-64 birth index.

The evidence is mounting to the inescapable conclusion that the HDOH is fabricating and manipulating BC#’s, vital records, the database, and their birth index list (as well as violating a ton of laws) in order to give Obama a fabricated BC - presumably because it is necessary for his “safety”.

When a BC is fabricated at the request of law enforcement, it will claim whatever law enforcement (Eric Holder?) says it needs to say. Just like BC’s are fabricated after an adoption, when a court tells the HDOH what the new BC has to say. It will be fabricated to include signatures of all the people who would have signed if the birth really happened that way. It will show processing dates that claim the record existed from the very beginning. Etc. It is totally fabricated; it has no resemblance to the truth whatsoever.

But even with the ability to create a totally fake BC, what Obama got from the HDOH had to be altered in order to get the image posted on the White House website. That is confirmed by Alvin Onaka, who when asked would not verify that the White House image is a “true and accurate representation of the original record on file” or that the information in the White House image is “identical to” the information in the original record on file. The two certifying elements of Alvin Onaka in the White House image each contain a red flag similar to the red flags put in the HDOH-forged Sunahara death certificate: TXE instead of THE in the certifying statement, and a smiley face added to the signature.

With the evidence we have right now, it would be legally negligent to claim that Obama was born in Hawaii. Onaka cannot verify any of Obama’s birth facts, because there is no legally valid record claiming those birth facts. Instead, what we’ve got appears to be mutiny in the HDOH office, where Loretta Fuddy is requiring HDOH workers to break the laws and the office workers are resisting by putting in red flags.

There is no “legal hurdle” and the evidence all says, instead, that Loretta Fuddy is in on criminal records manipulation to hide Obama’s non-valid birth record - and people in her staff are putting in red flags to expose what she has done. It’s no wonder that the presumably non-complicit interim HDOH Director Neal Palafox was forced to resign (though the system lied to hide that they forced him to) right at the time that the “safety” issue was being exploited from the assassination of Judge John Roll in AZ (where an eligibility bill was imminent, that Abercrombie had said he feared - shortly before telling a Star-Advertiser columnist that an investigation had found something “actually written down” in the “archives” and telling his friend Mike Evans that there was no BC for Obama in HI). Judge Roll is the judge who would have heard the DOJ’s challenge of an AZ eligibility bill, and he was replaced by an Obama appointee. That assassination had key information that changed over time (with part of the investigation under the control of Sheriff Clarence Dupnik, who immediately used the shooting to blame “The Tea Party”, etc - as did Janet Napolitano... and the other part under the control of Eric Holder’s DOJ), the shooter was known by the military installation (that handles mind control research and creation of unsuspecting assassins) to have mental problems and to have used drugs - IOW, the perfect person to use as an unwitting assassin because if he said he heard voices telling him to do the assassination it would be attributed to schizophrenia. And the shooter was familiar and had posted on Facebook about mind control techniques. Another ex-military guy who was at the scene of the shooting was also familiar with mind control techniques.

Sigh. There’s just too much evidence/information to get into one post. The timeline of events is really incriminating when you see it all in context. But a person really doesn’t even need to know all that. All you need to know is that Onaka had to use the words male, Aug 4, 1961, Honolulu, Oahu, Stanley Ann Dunham, and Barack Hussein Obama in his letter of verification if he could verify any of those claims as existing on a valid BC - and he didn’t.


176 posted on 01/25/2013 5:25:42 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

And then you have a HI COLB adjudicated post-1961 resulting in a Court order for the HDOH registrar to file a record of vital statistics for Barack Hussein Obama II which trumps all previous facts or anomalies with the birth record or lack thereof.

Date Accepted Aug 8, 1961 means the attestation of 3 people present at the birth event swear the information provided is correct.

Date Filed Aug 8, 1961 means a Court ordered the vital record filed and backdated to Aug 8, 1961. At some point in time after 1961 (my best guess is 1971 because I believe BHO Sr returned to Hawaii to contest the Soetoro adoption at that time), a Hawaii Court heard testimony and examined evidence on Barack Hussein Obama’s II live birth event. The Court decided he was born on Aug 4, 1961 in Honolulu, HI.

Any indiscretions, guesses, lies, manipulations and untruths made about Obama’s live birth event are wiped clean by the Court’s 1971 ruling on Obama’s birth event. The court is a trier of fact and determined the facts to be as they were published on Obama’s COLB backdated to Aug 8, 1961.

You’ll never overcome this hurdle because all witnesses to the Aug 4, 1961 live event are deceased. The Court’s 1971 ruling is the final word on the matter.


177 posted on 01/25/2013 7:04:53 AM PST by SvenMagnussen (TINKER, TAILOR, SOLDIER, SPY)
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To: SvenMagnussen

How do you know there was a court ruling in 1971? What’s your evidence of that?


178 posted on 01/25/2013 7:34:59 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: SvenMagnussen

If there was a court ruling in 1971 as you say, then why can’t Onaka verify any birth facts for Obama? If legal birth facts were determined in 1971 then the resulting BC would be legally valid and Onaka would have to verify those facts when requested. But he wouldn’t. Why not?

And why would they be changing BC#’s now?

IOW, the evidence we have now refutes the claim that there was a 1971 ruling, so you need to provide evidence that there was such a ruling. It should be in the court records if it was associated with the SAD/BHO divorce and BHO challenging a Soetoro adoption.

The divorce record for Norman Asing and his first wife, Charlotte, had as the last entry a pleading by Norman to stop child support because he had given his consent for the two boys (Norman Jr and Nathan) to be adopted by their stepdad. The judge said that child support would be stopped unless the adoption fell through. So the complete record concerning the divorce includes reference to adoption proceedings.

In the divorce record for Norman Asing and his 2nd wife, Connie, the adoptions of children associated with that marriage were disclosed.

So if BHO in 1971 challenged Lolo’s ability to adopt Obama, claim him as a dependent, etc, that should be included in the Ann-Lolo divorce. That information wouldn’t be sealed from the divorce record even though the adoption records themselves would be sealed.


179 posted on 01/25/2013 7:46:19 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: SvenMagnussen

Every HI birth record has a “date filed” and “date accepted”. Are you saying that every birth in Hawaii involved a court order?


180 posted on 01/25/2013 7:57:14 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

Someone should hire you to think for them. :)


181 posted on 01/25/2013 7:59:57 AM PST by JohnnyP
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To: JohnnyP

(blush) You’re too kind.

My kids would like to hire me to NOT think. lol


182 posted on 01/25/2013 9:05:55 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion; Fred Nerks; LucyT

me too.


183 posted on 01/25/2013 9:06:14 AM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: tsowellfan
(A)The public knows
(B)Barry Soetoro finished high school in Hawaii as Barry Soetoro
(C)and attended Occidental as Barry Soetoro where he did drugs
(D)and flunked out of school. After dropping out of Occidental,
Barry showed up in New York, homeless and on drugs.
(E)(Barry’s own admission)

(A) The "public" knows nothing and cares less, which should keep this fellow in Public Housing forever.
(B) Not true.
(C)Occidental says otherwise
(D)Unsubtantiated
(E)Barry's statements are all over the map. Find out why he was asked of the Illinois Bar, that might be a more rewarding line of inquiry.

We are using this stuff as a distraction, which makes Team Obama very happy. OK, The guy is a fake. So what? In the first place, no matter what we think, in the matter of Natural Born Citizenship, it's what the SCOTUS thinks that counts. They ain't talkin'. Ditto the "born in Hawaii" thing. We can't prove he wasn't, and he can't prove he was. We have the evidence. Same with the Draft Card thing and the SS Card thing. Fakes. Forgeries. So what? There is nowhere to bring it.

Which makes all of this is nothing more than interesting gossip. For example, Barry's mentor at Occidental was a queer activist, communist agitator who was a tight pal of (surprise, surprise) Bill Ayers. So, did the gay prof send Barry to NYC to hook up with Ayers, who had (has) very tight connections with Columbia University?

I dunno. Next time Barry and I are shooting hoops or watching ESPN, I'll ask the SOB. Forget this crap. Work to influence your town. Communicate with your elected Republican reps, if you have any and while there still is another party, to work on saving the country.

The Republic has entered its post-constitutional phase. Perhaps it can be saved. Perhaps not.

Chemistry lesson for modern people: Melanin is apparently closely related to Teflon. Therefore, nothing critical one can say about a person of any skin-color darker than one's own can stick, or take effect. You have lived through a successful anti-constitutional coup. Deal with it. Instead of dwelling on the obvious crimes of the past, we have to work out what the future is going to be like.

184 posted on 01/25/2013 9:13:29 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (Say, what the hell happened to Reggie Love? Who's in the playroom with Barry now?)
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To: butterdezillion

“Date Filed” indicates a court adjudication has taken place. The registrar has made a filing of vital statistics as the Court order dictates.

“Date Accepted” indicates the registrar has accepted the affidavits of the mother, delivery doctor, and hospital admin as true and correct vital statistic information.

If Obama’s vital statistic record had not been adjudicated in Court post-1961, his COLB would have “Date Accepted” on it.

Obama’s COLB is the final word on Obama’s live birth event because all of the witnesses are dead or cannot make a reliable recollection of the the event in present time. The OLFBC is sealed and archived by Court order and cannot be used in any Court or administrative hearing for any reason.

The reason so many lawyers mock and belittle eligibility lawsuits concerning Obama’s BC is because they know Obama’s COLB is the final word on Obama’s live birth event. If you want to scare an Obot, then sue for Obama’s immigration records.


185 posted on 01/25/2013 9:20:39 AM PST by SvenMagnussen (TINKER, TAILOR, SOLDIER, SPY)
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To: SvenMagnussen; Danae

EVERY birth record has a “date filed”. Are you saying that EVERY birth record thus indicates that a court adjudication has taken place?

For instance, Danae’s COLB said “date filed”. Are you saying that a court had to decide her birth facts? Did the court decide Stig Waidelich’s birth facts, and Virginia Sunahara’s?

You’re making this claim but it defies what we can observe. The court did not have to determine the birth facts for Sunahara, who died one day after her birth. Where are you getting this claim from? How do you substantiate it, especially in view of what we can see on these other BC’s?


186 posted on 01/25/2013 9:31:45 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: Kenny Bunk

If we have no rule of law, we have no future. It’s that simple. No law that is made even matters. All that matters is that the communist-Islamist alliance has taken over the US and through that will take over the world.

At this point the people who need to resist this alliance have to be woken up, or this country will fade into sharia and oblivion without even a fight. They need to know who Obama is and who owns him - and how that alliance has played EVERYBODY and taken the whole system hostage. They need to know we can’t get absorbed in “politics”. This isn’t about politics at all; it’s about the survival of the country. 2008 and 2012 were a coup by a foreign enemy combatant who with help from world communists and Islamists has infiltrated the democratic party, threatened the entire media and judges, armed our enemies, and seeks to take away America’s economic freedom, prosperity, government accountability, and Constitution.

They need to know why our Congress-critters won’t fight, so they know it is up to us to do it. They need to know how far the enemy has gotten in arming, empowering, AND LETTING INTO THE COUNTRY UNCHECKED the enemies who have sworn to destroy us. They need to see that the coup they were able to accomplish is the result of decades of communists within our society deliberately and systematically DEMORALIZING us.

In short, the people of this country need to wake the heck up, or we will all die in our sleep with the boa squeezing our eyeballs out.


187 posted on 01/25/2013 9:44:09 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: SvenMagnussen

“If you want to scare an Obot, then sue for Obama’s immigration records.”

I’ve noticed that the Fogbowers haven’t attacked you here on Free Republic. They say when you receive flak you must be over the target. But the flak you’ve received here is from people who want you to show your documentation - not from the Fogbow folks. If what you are saying is correct, then why aren’t those people acting scared when you mention the immigration records?

I and others have asked you whether the Certificate of Naturalization that you talk about is listed in a public index/listing. You didn’t answer. I asked you to tell me how to get access to a public listing with Obama’s name if it exists, and you won’t tell me - either publicly or privately.

On here you talk about how Obama could authorize the release of his CON, but then he could also authorize the release of his real BC; it’s not gonna happen. People have already filed suits to try to get at his passport records - but nobody has standing to see them. And they’ve sued to see his mother’s passport records, and we’re told that her records were destroyed (even though none of the required paper trail for such a records disposition change and destruction can be found either).

What we have, legally, is a certification that Onaka cannot verify any birth facts for Obama. That flies in the face of what you’re saying. You haven’t responded to this. Why won’t Onaka verify Obama’s birth facts?


188 posted on 01/25/2013 9:55:41 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: edge919

Dr. Onaka is alive and well, as far as I know, and available to be subpoenaed for testimony before a judge or a committee of Congress at any time. He can also be deposed.
He is a named co-defendant in Taitz v MDPEC so if Judge Wingate denies the defense Motion for Judgement on the Pleadings, we may all get to hear from Dr. Onaka someday.


189 posted on 01/25/2013 10:07:55 AM PST by Nero Germanicus
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To: butterdezillion
Damn funny thing.

If young Barry were really adopted by Soetoro, his original BC (should such exist) SHOULD HAVE BEEN SEALED. That is there SHOULD be no available "Obama" BC in the archives, unless unsealed by court order. Thus, if there were a readily available BC, it should have read "Soetoro." If I am on the right track, it only adds to the COLB/BC confusion. It all might be speedily resolved by Team Obama releasing what they received from Hawaii and holding it up next to that purports to be the BC. That's never going to happen, making it painfully obvious that Team Obama used digital data from the HIDOH do make a rather attractive DIY BC.

As you know, I always get rather bored talking about the BC, anyway. A Hawaiian Birth Certificate is nowhere near as trustworthy a document as a Honolulu dog license. The island state is awash with Asians (particularly Chinese, Samoans, and Filipinos who got after-the-fact BC's by working the "Home Birth" scam. This was well known even before Sheriff Joe's guys made it official. Also, as Hillary might say, "What's the bloody difference? If he is not an NBC, why torture ourselves?"

On the issue of citizenship: young Barry would have had, upon reaching his majority, the choice of Kenyan, British, Indonesian, or American citizenship. So, what did he actually do? Beats me. Since by then he had been back living with Grandma and Granpa, the answer could well be, "Nothing." If Obama Sr. is the father, Barry's NBC is in question because the charming Kenyan bigamist was among other things, NOT an American Citizen.

So, this is a case for the SCOTUS. What is a Natural Born Citizen? Pray tell us, O Black-Robed Constitutional Arbiters.

190 posted on 01/25/2013 10:34:24 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (Say, what the hell happened to Reggie Love? Who's in the playroom with Barry now?)
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To: Kenny Bunk

The NBC issue is for the Supreme Court. I agree.

The crimes committed are an issue for the criminal justice system, which needs to deal with ALL who covered up for this mess.

The media is an issue for the people and all the tar and feathers they can muster up.

The BC by itself is boring. Just like Al Capone’s tax evasion was boring. It’s the other stuff that’s been done to try to keep the BC issue from being resolved, that makes this so critical - as well as the all-out assault on this country that this cover-up has enabled. You and I both know that this was a coup, and as long as the public “Alinskies” anybody who tells the truth, this country is at the mercy of whatever crooks want to take us for a ride.

And by “ride” I mean the kind of crap that happens in communist, fascist, and Islamist nations, because those are the people who have pulled off this coup in America.


191 posted on 01/25/2013 11:03:03 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: Kenny Bunk
(C)Occidental says otherwise

Really, when did they say that he never did drugs?

(D)Unsubtantiated

It's a fact. He went to New York.
192 posted on 01/25/2013 11:18:37 AM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: butterdezillion

Obama was in the legal custody of Catholic Soc Serv and the physical custody Madelyn Payne from 1971 to 1979. Stanley Ann and Lolo were stripped of their parental rights until 1979, Obama’s 18th Bday. Stanley Ann and Lolo divorced in 1981 and claimed Obama as an adult dependent upon them for education expense.


193 posted on 01/25/2013 11:29:10 AM PST by SvenMagnussen (TINKER, TAILOR, SOLDIER, SPY)
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To: Nero Germanicus

Is this another one of these “taking both sides” posts?? If he’s a named co-defendant, why isn’t he there already? He shouldn’t have to be subpoenaed. We already know Hawaii like to ignore subpoeanas anyway.


194 posted on 01/25/2013 11:39:22 AM PST by edge919
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To: SvenMagnussen

Even if those things happened, none of that would change the birth certificate. For instance, Madelyn Payne was not changed to the mother on the BC because she had custody.

If the BC that claimed BHO as the father, Honolulu as the city, Oahu as the island, Aug 4, 1961 as the date, male as the gender, and Stanley Ann Dunham as the mother was legally valid - determined by a court in 1971, as you say - then Onaka would have had to verify those things. Why didn’t he?

And how would we know if those things had really happened? What evidence is there for those things?


195 posted on 01/25/2013 12:12:47 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: Kenny Bunk

(B) Not true.
(C)Occidental says otherwise
(D)Unsubtantiated


You have documents to prove that?


196 posted on 01/25/2013 12:40:50 PM PST by tsowellfan (cafenetamerica.com)
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To: Fred Nerks
There might be an entry there for the child of Anna Obama and the kenyan student,

If there was, might that have been the child the Hawaians remember going to school there? I'm not convinced Obama went to school in Hawaii the way his bio says. I don't think the info is strong enough and I don't think they would have need to falsify so many school pics. I think they're hiding the fact he went to school somewhere else, somewhere with embarasing Malcolm X and Weather Underground connections.
197 posted on 01/25/2013 12:43:21 PM PST by ABrit (awordinyourear.blogspot.co.uk)
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To: edge919

Taitz v MDPEC is in its pre-trial motion phase. Only attorneys and the judge have been “there.”


198 posted on 01/25/2013 1:00:02 PM PST by Nero Germanicus
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To: SvenMagnussen; Brown Deer
...We know that Stanley Ann amended her renewal passport in Aug, 1967 to exclude Obama and his St. Francis Assisi enrollment, dated Jan. 1, 1968, indicated Barry Soetoro was an Indonesian National. That’s all it takes for the SoS to issue a Certificate of Loss of Nationality.

First of all, it might help you to understand that I ignore all the forgeries, our research followed the people. The documents are untrustworthy.

What we know is that Stanley Ann Dunham wasn't in Hawaii until we see her with a three year old at the zoo. The student enrolled for the Fall of 1960 at the U of HI was probably named S ANN OBAMA shown in the Polk, living at the birth announcement address. S. ANN OBAMA has been melded with STANLEY ANN DUNHAM to create a COMPOSITE.

S ANN OBAMA shows up in Seattle as ANNA OBAMA in the directory for 1961-1962 - and Mary babysat her child in January 1961. Stanley Ann Dunham obtained custody of an unidentifed child (zero) through her fantasy divorce from the kenyan student, whose 'wife' left little Barack Hussein Obama 11 behind when she moved to the Philippines, and that same boy, born in Hawaii in January, ended up in Kenya with Ruth and his father. There couldn't be two Barack Hussein Obama 11 so when we were shown photographs of him, they named him David.

Malik says he played with 'BARACK' when they were both children, (whilst living with Ruth and his father in Nairobi,) Malik says 'Barack taught school in Uganda' - Clan members describe seeing 'Barack' at the funeral of his father in 1982.

Barack Hussein Obama 11 had a life after he left the US in 1964, and that life didn't include becoming President. Isn't anyone the slightest bit interested in who he is and where he might be now?

P.S. I remain intruiged that no one questions why, if zero was adopted in Hawaii (before moving to Indonesia) if his stepfather's name was Soetoro, how did his name become SOEBARKAH?

Much of what you write is probably correct, but the foundation, if based on lies and forgeries is worthless. Discussing if zero is a natural-born citizen is a waste of time imo...not while you don't know who his parents were or where he was born.

Follow the research from THE DAILY PEN. That allows you to follow Virginia Sunahara from the Wahiawa Hospital to Kapiolani, where the examining doctor attended her before she died. The research shows the movements of that child and attributes the movement to zero. Read it carefully, it's fairly obvious why that might be imo.

199 posted on 01/25/2013 1:25:42 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: ABrit
As far as we can see, the dark child who was the son of the kenyan student and Anna Obama ended up in Kenya with his father and Ruth:

When Mark supplied the above photograph, he identified the dark boy as himself and the younger child as 'David'. However, the child Ruth is holding is MARK. The photograph dates from around 1966 and the child who reaches her waist is five or six year of age.

Zero attended school in Hawaii as Barry Obama for a period in 1969, and then later under the same name from 1971 when he attended Mabel Hefty's Grade Five.

200 posted on 01/25/2013 1:36:12 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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