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Firearm dealers told to ignore federal law, begin de facto registration of gun owners
Coach is Right ^ | 1/19/13 | Doug Book

Posted on 01/19/2013 10:38:52 AM PST by Oldpuppymax

Barack Obama’s Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) has sent an open letter to all Federal Firearms License (FFL) holders/licensed gun dealers in the United States, recommending they “…enhance public safety and assist law enforcement by encouraging and facilitating transfers of firearms between private individuals through their business.” In short, FFL holders are being told to perform background checks and keep records of private gun sales between American citizens, EVEN THOUGH federal law may NOT require that they do so! (1)

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TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; History; Politics
KEYWORDS: atf; backgroundcheck; banglist; barackobama; connecticut; ffl; guncontrol; gundealers; gunpurchase; gunregistration; secondamendment
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1 posted on 01/19/2013 10:39:08 AM PST by Oldpuppymax
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To: Oldpuppymax

Alinsky Rule 1: “Power is not only what you have, but what an opponent thinks you have”.


2 posted on 01/19/2013 10:43:21 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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So private sellers are supposed to, what? Just show up at a licensed dealer and say “please run this person through NICS.”? And how are licensed dealers supposed to “encourage” folks to do this? Advertise? Go door to door?

Who handles the 4473? The dealer? The seller?


3 posted on 01/19/2013 10:44:40 AM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Oldpuppymax

I don’t recall him saying that in his speech. Also, it wasn’t in the news.
You mean he deliberately held back information from the people?
Shocking.


4 posted on 01/19/2013 10:45:03 AM PST by I want the USA back (Democrat party: criminal enterprise masquerading as a political party.)
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To: cripplecreek

For all the talk about laws, most people have never read any and don’t know what’s therein.


5 posted on 01/19/2013 10:45:19 AM PST by ctdonath2 (End of debate. Your move.)
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To: Oldpuppymax
This letter is almost pointless. If two private citizens in the same state decide to buy/sell a firearm between themselves, why would they even bother to go anywhere near an FFL?

It almost seems to me that the government is encouraging FFL’s to simply lie to people by basically telling people that it is “required” to do a background check with an FFL even for private transactions, even though there is no law at this time that states such.

6 posted on 01/19/2013 10:47:50 AM PST by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: Lurker

Free Ammo with background ck?


7 posted on 01/19/2013 10:52:58 AM PST by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: Oldpuppymax

I know what all FFLs in Tx will say.

FUBO!!


8 posted on 01/19/2013 10:53:35 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Pox

I know of cases where a private sale was cancelled because one of the parties was “uncomfortable” about NOT going through a dealer. Brainwashing does work.


9 posted on 01/19/2013 10:54:35 AM PST by oldfart (Obama nation = abomination. Think about it!)
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To: Oldpuppymax

Confucius say man who poke hornets` nest get stung.


10 posted on 01/19/2013 10:55:30 AM PST by bunkerhill7 (The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower.)
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To: Lurker

It is ridiculous on the face of it.
If it is a “private sale” why would you have to pay a 3rd party (the FFL) and subjugate to a 4th party (FBI)???


11 posted on 01/19/2013 10:56:48 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Oldpuppymax
Please. Zero's executive order doesn't force private face-to-face transfers to be conducted through an FFL, it is telling FFLs that they are allowed to access the NICS system for these transfers, if the private parties wish to do so.

Currently, FFLs aren't allowed to use the NICS system to simply run someone's name to see if they would be accepted or rejected. An actual transaction must be in the process of taking place. This is telling FFLs how to process these private transfers.

The next step will be requiring that all private sales be done through an FFL, but that will take an act of Congress, not an EO.

12 posted on 01/19/2013 10:57:11 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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Nobody except an idiot is going to sell their gun to another private party through an FFL dealer.


13 posted on 01/19/2013 10:57:40 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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I can see some unscrupulous FFL’s lying to people so they can make money for doing NICS checks.

If you hear about it, send them a nasty email. Or, visit them in person and inform them you will NOT patronize a business that goes along with the Obama disarmament agenda.


14 posted on 01/19/2013 10:58:01 AM PST by FLAMING DEATH (I'm not racist - I hate Biden too!)
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To: Lurker

Exactly. Very, very few private sellers are going to comply.


15 posted on 01/19/2013 11:04:10 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The only thing that Hollywood gets right about guns is that criminals will always get them.)
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To: Oldpuppymax
If I was in any way uncomfortable with a private sale, an FFL background check would not make me feel any better. If someone makes me uneasy, the sale is not going through. If someone does not make me uneasy, why would I create a paper trail that could be used by some hypothetical future regime that wishes to trample our Constitution?

No, thank you. I will not use an FFL simply to make a communist happy. This is about good and evil, and the "request" that we use an FFL and create an audit trail is not coming from those who side with good. In the unlikely(?) event that the federal government becomes an enemy of freedom, every untraceable firearm in the hands of a decent person is a very good thing.

16 posted on 01/19/2013 11:07:45 AM PST by Pollster1
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F troop has a long history of overstepping the laws that they are supposed to obey.

Private sales are just that - PRIVATE. Until CONGRESS changes the law there is no legal obligation for FFL dealers to encourage NICS checks for private transactions.

I’m sure a lot of them will tell the F troopers that they are available to do that should a subject, er citizen, request it just to keep them off their backs.


17 posted on 01/19/2013 11:08:20 AM PST by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Here in PA, all private handgun sales must go thru the FFL to legally transfer the original owner from the title and absolve all future responsibility of usage. Long guns aren’t required to go thru that; a simple receipt between parties is all that’s required. I thought that the handgun transfer requirement was a federal law. No?


18 posted on 01/19/2013 11:12:06 AM PST by carriage_hill (AR-10s/15s are the 21st Century's Muskets. Self-Defense is The First Human Right.)
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To: 43north

Lots of people in a VA ad paper sell guns privately.

Is it legal for a non-VA person to buy them?


19 posted on 01/19/2013 11:12:35 AM PST by Salamander (Put some workboots in the drier. Recite Dr Seuss. Now you're a rapper!)
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To: carriage_hill

Absolutely not. In Arizona we buy,sell and trade firearms as private individuals without any paperwork required.


20 posted on 01/19/2013 11:18:19 AM PST by cbvanb
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