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The Thanks and Reverence We Owe Undocumented Immigrants
FlaglerLive | January 20, 2013 ^ | January 20, 2013 | Pierre Tristam

Posted on 01/20/2013 3:34:02 PM PST by moonshinner_09

While the national obsession with guns takes a turn for the hysterical, an interesting duel is taking shape in Washington between Barack Obama and Florida’s Sen. Marco Rubio. It involves an issue almost as incendiary as guns. Immigration.Luckily for us, neither Obama nor Rubio is being hysterical about it. They both recognize that 11 million undocumented immigrants can’t be wished away. Nor will they self-deport, in the unforgettably Stalinist phrase of the late Mitt Romney. And we can’t arrest them all and ship them across the Mexican border. Dwight Eisenhower tried that in 1954 with Operation Wetback, when the casual bigotry of national policy had no problem advertising itself by name. The “Wetbacks” came back, not least because the dirty little secret of chambers of commerce from here to Wall Street’s bottom lines is that they want them here.It’s not just that illegal immigration is unavoidable. Our consumer tastes and distaste for certain kind of work make it necessary. Without it, we wouldn’t have vegetables and fruit on our dinner tables because there’d be no one to pick them in the fields. We wouldn’t have much of a tourism industry in Florida because there’d be no one to make our beds in hotels and clean our theme parks’ toilets. We wouldn’t have nannies to slave after our children. We wouldn’t have much of a construction industry. In short, we wouldn’t have anyone doing the sort of work Americans believe they’re too good to do themselves

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: aliens; florida; illegal; immigration
We wouldn’t have much of a construction industry, lies. there’d be no one to make our beds in hotels and clean our theme parks’ toilets. We wouldn’t have nannies to slave after our children, more lies,we wouldn’t have vegetables and fruit on our dinner tables because there’d be no one to pick them in the fields, more lies.We also would not have document fraud, hit and run drunk drivers, drug dealers from Mexico, human smugglers kidnapping ,beating, their catgo, demanding ransoms, child molestions would be down,our children safer, our roads safter with legal drivers who can read and write,less drivers driving without licenses and insurace, welfare,food stamps useage would be down, hospitals would not be out millions of dollars due to illegals refusing to pay their bills,etc,etc,etc..add your savings..
1 posted on 01/20/2013 3:34:14 PM PST by moonshinner_09
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To: moonshinner_09
"They both recognize that 11 million undocumented immigrants can’t be wished away. Nor will they self-deport"

Enforce the damn law and they will. I hate these pro-invader apologist NAZIS.

2 posted on 01/20/2013 3:39:36 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: moonshinner_09
“Self-Deport” is not a Stalinist phrase.

It was invented after pro-Amnesty commentators claimed it would be “impossible to deport 11 million illegals.”

The idea is simple, legal, and humane.

Require ALL employers to use E-Verify, and fine or sue employers who do not.

When illegal immigrants discover they can't find work, they will “self-deport” and return to their home country.

3 posted on 01/20/2013 3:43:19 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: moonshinner_09

Wow! It’s pretty incredible when you read an article and realize that not a single claim made in it is true!

There is an easy way to prove it. Vigorously enforce existing immigration law. I guarantee everything in this article would be proven false!


4 posted on 01/20/2013 3:46:04 PM PST by Castigar
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To: moonshinner_09

“Nor will they self-deport,”

Not as long as they can get jobs illegally, welfare, food stamps, free healthcare, and free government housing.


5 posted on 01/20/2013 3:46:19 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The only thing that Hollywood gets right about guns is that criminals will always get them.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Illegals are government growth hormone and any republican encouraging them to stay is only promoting bigger government.


6 posted on 01/20/2013 3:46:34 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: moonshinner_09

“Nor will they self-deport,”

Not as long as they can get jobs illegally, welfare, food stamps, free healthcare, and free government housing.


7 posted on 01/20/2013 3:46:34 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The only thing that Hollywood gets right about guns is that criminals will always get them.)
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To: moonshinner_09

The real question is, why are they “illegal”? If these idiots really want them here, why don’t they advocate for a bigger quota and easier entrance, along with super strict border enforcement? And let’s do it the “right” way.

But you notice they don’t. Just lip service for the important border enforcement and excuses to let them come here and let them stay.

BTW, let’s put trailers and Sec. 8 type housing with 100% illegals in Pierre’s neighborhood. And then get his reaction afterwards.

You game, Pierre?


8 posted on 01/20/2013 3:46:50 PM PST by A_Former_Democrat
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To: moonshinner_09

WOW! You could hardly tell this writer leaned so far to the left that he has fallen over.

Excellent, tasteful piece outlining the superior thinking of those who hate America.


9 posted on 01/20/2013 3:48:01 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Pray for revival. <BCC><)
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To: moonshinner_09

[ They both recognize that 11 million undocumented immigrants can’t be wished away ]

Of COURSE they can be legislated away..
Make it illegal to hire them.. house them.. or feed them..
And face, finger, and foot print them to deny future immigrant status.. unless they leave without help..

You know ..... make it illegal to be here.. if your illegal..
Also laws to prosecute any legals willfully enabling them.. profiting from them or enslaving them..

Many maybe most will drift back across the border on their own.. not all but most.
Make it easier to do so...

At the same time make it unprofitable to be a gang member in big or small cities.. white, black or hispanic.. OR asian..

It would be EASY if there was a WILL to do it..


10 posted on 01/20/2013 3:49:48 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: moonshinner_09

Reverence?

LMAO!


11 posted on 01/20/2013 3:54:22 PM PST by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: moonshinner_09

The author of this article is full of it. While it’s true there’s lots of jobs Americans won’t do, it’s also true there’s lots of jobs illegals do that legal immigrants or guest workers from other countries will do. The idea that if illegal immigrants aren’t doing all those dirty jobs then nobody else will fill the void is ludicrous. A very large percentage of the jobs they do can be done by Americans, and the rest can be done by LEGAL!! workers from other countries.


12 posted on 01/20/2013 3:55:46 PM PST by driftless2
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To: driftless2

And a lot of those jobs that Americans used to do were stolen by the illegals. I’ve seen it in the construction industry with many of my friends.

Not only should any business be heavily filed for hiring illegals, ever susy homemaker and harry homeowner as well.


13 posted on 01/20/2013 4:03:25 PM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: zeestephen; fieldmarshaldj; moonshinner_09
Agreed 100%. They WILL self deport if you fine every business who has an illegal immigrant as an employee $100,000 for each instance. You can d@mn well betcha that they would check the background of every employee with a fine tooth comb. They deny our freedoms subtly every day by going after the businesses that supply the goods and services we need or want (ever notice how the EPA or ATF rarely goes after individuals?). But they won't even consider going after businesses in any meaningful way to stop them from hiring illegals.

And then you get moron journalists posting things about how the "right wing" has some psychological "inferiority" issues and is being "led" when we are angry with our government for selective enforcement of our laws (different thread, but I'm STILL angry about it).

14 posted on 01/20/2013 4:10:17 PM PST by Hardastarboard (The Liberal ruling class hates me. The feeling is mutual.)
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To: moonshinner_09

Secure the border. Enforce the law. And the problem will resolve itself relatively humanely over the course of a very few years. People will self-deport as it becomes harder and harder to find work. Some few will manage to legalize themselves by one means or other. Others will bump into law enforcement and be deported directly.

The point is, though, that the problem is unsolveable as long as the border remains unsecured, and as long as the law is not actively enforced. And it is highly solveable once you take the problem seriously. Statistics show that, as the economy has stagnated, people have indeed deported themselves.

There will always be a few difficult cases but those will be a lot easier to deal with once the massive inflow has stopped.


15 posted on 01/20/2013 4:12:03 PM PST by marron
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To: moonshinner_09

High unemployment and they want to make them legal. Being legal means a legal wage, right?


16 posted on 01/20/2013 4:13:28 PM PST by Sybeck1
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To: moonshinner_09

Rubio has been adopted by the Bush family just like Bill Clinton. Not good for America.


17 posted on 01/20/2013 4:15:02 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: moonshinner_09

Where did this bull s**t number of 11 million illegal aliens in the number come from?

The estimate is even less the “12 million illegal aliens in the US” head count has been the standard since the Clinton Administration since about 1996 and has been unchanged since that time despite and estimated 1-2 million illegals entering the US over the last 15 years since then.

It’s more like 12 million in 1996 plus another 20 - 30 million more since then for a total of 30-45 million illegals residing in the borders of the US.


18 posted on 01/20/2013 4:23:31 PM PST by rdcbn
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To: moonshinner_09

I find it kind of racist that people living in this country are willing to accept illegal immigration because they are too good to clean their own toilets.


19 posted on 01/20/2013 4:23:55 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (HealthCare IS NOT a right. The RIGHT to keep and bear arms is.)
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To: moonshinner_09

The idea that cheap labor is good for America should have been settled by the Civil War. If illegal aliens from Mexico walk on water as this idiot of a writer is intimating then why isn’t Mexico a paradise? I’ve said it before, I’ll keep on saying it: If the f’ing Mexican people gave HALF A CRAP about Mexico and put just HALF the f’ing energy into FIXING IT that they put into DESTROYING AMERICA then someday Mexico will be a F’ING PARADISE!!!!


20 posted on 01/20/2013 4:30:06 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: Hardastarboard
"They WILL self deport if you fine every business who has an illegal immigrant as an employee $100,000 for each instance."

Wow...what a concept!

Here's a revenue stream that would surely be better than taxing the shit out of those still lucky enough to HAVE an income, AND, it actually punishes those who are aiding-and-abetting Illegals, to increase their bottom-line.

21 posted on 01/20/2013 4:36:14 PM PST by traditional1 (Amerika.....Providing public housing for the Mulatto Messiah)
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To: rdcbn
Re: “Where did this bull s**t number of 11 million illegal aliens in the number come from?”

The 11-12 million number comes from the U.S. Census Bureau and from Pew Research (a center-left think tank, but well respected for good data).

CIS, Numbers USA, and FAIR - which are the three top Conservative immigration think tanks - all use that number.

No doubt there are flaws in that number, but the consensus seems to be that it is the best one available.

22 posted on 01/20/2013 4:56:18 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: moonshinner_09
Dwight Eisenhower tried that in 1954 with Operation Wetback, when the casual bigotry of national policy had no problem advertising itself by name. The “Wetbacks” came back

He didn't "try", Ike SUCCEEDED in deporting 1.5 million illegals. And they did not "come back" until LBJ trashed the border patrol and immigration controls in the late 60s.

23 posted on 01/20/2013 4:58:20 PM PST by montag813
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To: moonshinner_09
that 11 million undocumented immigrants can’t be wished away

That's for sure! However they can be deported. They can be verified, hassled, expelled and arrested. They can be denied services, school enrollment and drivers licenses. It only takes the will to do so.

24 posted on 01/20/2013 5:02:37 PM PST by Altura Ct.
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To: moonshinner_09
I say make life as difficult for the ILLEGAL ALIENS as difficult as possible.

Eliminate ALL types of welfare unless all members in a house can prove they are Legal Immigrants or Citizens of the US.

Seize all vehicles from ILLEGAL ALIENS. Have them checked for any mechanical issue and if any are found, repair them at local High Schools or Vo-Tech Centers, if found to be unrepairable, scrap them for the good parts. Take the good running vehicles and use them a bonuses for those that repaired them or to people that work in the positions that supposedly American won't do. As a kid, if I found a job that would pay me minimum wage to pick vegetables for the summer and at the end of the summer I got a vehicle as a bonus, I would have done that work gladly.

Eliminate school programs that seem to me to encourage the problem. This would be things like English as a Second Language. My family immigrated from all over Europe though Ellis Island, well the ones the immigrated after it was built and the United States were formed, they all learned English as they knew they could not advance and most likely not survive if they did not. Eliminate instate tuition for ILLEAGL ALIENS, if a US Citizen has to pay a higher out-of-state tuition, then a ILLEGAL ALIEN should have to pay a minimum of 2.5 times the out-of-state tution rate.

Eliminate the automatic citizenship for infants born in this country from ILLEGAL ALIENS. There is a law that requires hospitals to provide service to anyone, so lets provide that service at the level that our U.S. Troops have had to endure. Set up a M.A.S.H. type hospital, with tents for the operating arena and the patient care/bedding area. Immediately deport both the child and mother back to the country of origin. If an ILLEGAL ALIEN gets on a waiting list for an organ transplant, put them at the bottom. If a US Citizen needs that same type of transplant, the US Citizens jumps over the ILLEGAL ALIEN.

Require tax payer information for all money transfers to high immigration countries that occur generally occur from the ATM type system's and also from unverifiable banking accounts. Have the transfer system automatically deduct All applicable taxes from the amount being transferred, this would include all type of Federal and State taxes. Since the yearly wage for the sender cannot be verified at the time of the transfer, deduct the taxes at the maximum rate that in in force. Issue a receipt with the Tax amounts detailed and clearly printed on it. At the end of the year when the required Tax returns are filed these receipts would be used to file the returns with along with any legitimate tax forms (W-2s, 1099s...). Audit all returns with duplicate information to determine if identity theft has occurred and if it has accept the return from the US citizen and send a audit notification to all others using the same information. If the return is deemed valid from the transfer receipts then issue a return for any amounts withdrawn that exceed the tax rates plus a 10% bonus, if the information is deemed invalid use the funds to further enhance the border and enforcement of immigration laws.

Sorry about the long rant, but this morning I was rear ended in my truck from a POS chevy car, which of the 3 people in it, none could speak English, the driver did not have insurance and the license plate on the CAR was from a FARM TRUCK. The officer that showed up stated it was too difficult to try to prosecute them, so he just let them go. Luckily for me the car took way more damage than my truck did.

25 posted on 01/20/2013 5:23:57 PM PST by SledgeCS (Democrat/Liberal/Progressive/Socialist = Gun Control Nazi)
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To: zeestephen
CIS, Numbers USA, and FAIR - which are the three top Conservative immigration think tanks - all use that number.

No doubt there are flaws in that number, but the consensus seems to be that it is the best one available.


The 11 million number is total BS.

I can buy into the 12 million number in the 1990’s . If you look at the massive increase in illegal’s presence in our country since then not credible.

The Border Patrol caught and turned away about 750,000 people per year in the 70 mile wide Nogales sector of the border alone. The estimated that they intercepted 1 in 5 border crossers.

That implies about 2 million made it across per year in the Nogales sector alone.

Multiply that by 15 years and see what you get.

The total is more like 30-45 million which is consistent with the increased nationwide presence we have seen in the last 10-15 years.

This 11 million people number more of a low ball propaganda number that is large enough for action to be taken but small enough so it does not allow current US Citizens to realize that they will be politically swamped by illiterate illegals who have third world voting habits and no stake in our country.. .

Once illegals have the right legal right to vote themselves benefits and entitlements.

This is exactly what has happened in Southern California.

Illegals completely dominate political culture in So Cal because they are a huge fraction of the population. These Third World transplants have allowed Democrats to bring Third World type populist “give me” politics to the state and they are killing the state economy.

It's a big part of the reason California is so screwed up.

26 posted on 01/20/2013 5:28:33 PM PST by rdcbn
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To: moonshinner_09

“Nor will they self-deport”

Baloney.

There are a number of states, especially in the South and Southwest, that have seen huge numbers of them self-deport.


27 posted on 01/20/2013 5:30:04 PM PST by webstersII
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To: moonshinner_09

Yeh, somebody tell this fruitloop that 75% of the migrant workers that pick our fruits and veggies are American citizens. We have 4 guest worker programs already in place for non citizens to come in and work and then go back home. We do not need to legalize 11 million people.


28 posted on 01/20/2013 5:44:52 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: A_Former_Democrat

“If these idiots really want them here, why don’t they advocate for a bigger quota and easier entrance,”

I’d like to bring to the US two friends from the Central American country where I work. One needs to go to a one week long class, the other I’d like to pay for him to attend drafting classes at the local junior college.

Both men need these skills to better do their jobs in their home country.

So far, the bureaucratic obstacles at the US Embassy there seem insurmountable.


29 posted on 01/20/2013 5:45:23 PM PST by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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To: A_Former_Democrat

“If these idiots really want them here, why don’t they advocate for a bigger quota and easier entrance,”

I’d like to bring to the US two friends from the Central American country where I work. One needs to go to a one week long class, the other I’d like to pay for him to attend drafting classes at the local junior college.

Both men need these skills to better do their jobs in their home country.

So far, the bureaucratic obstacles at the US Embassy there seem insurmountable.


30 posted on 01/20/2013 5:49:16 PM PST by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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To: BwanaNdege

I hear ya. I have friends overseas who would love to come here and work, even at “menial” jobs. But no, I’d have to go thru scores of red tape and time delays and then probably get denied anyway. But let all these b******* into the country, have babies, commit crimes, cause accidents, slurp from the public trough . . sure bring em all in.


31 posted on 01/20/2013 5:51:14 PM PST by A_Former_Democrat
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To: moonshinner_09

When the few states passed their Immigration
laws, illegals were self deporting from Alabama without any help except the fear of the law, Ga ,AZ had the same results.Illegals were self deporting.If they enforce the laws, the illegals self deport.Many churches are worried about empty pews and collection plates empty.


32 posted on 01/20/2013 5:54:02 PM PST by moonshinner_09
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To: moonshinner_09

If illegal aliens were such a great thing then why is Mexico a sewer?


33 posted on 01/20/2013 5:58:01 PM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: moonshinner_09

Illegals cost California about $16,000,000,000 annually, and that is the low estimate.

34 posted on 01/20/2013 6:15:12 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: rdcbn

More bad political news from California today...

Just read that Hispanics will top whites as a percentage of the population sometime in 2013.

Currently a tie - 39% to 39%.

California’s white Socialists are about to get the “South African Surprise.”


35 posted on 01/20/2013 7:57:34 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: zeestephen
California’s white Socialists are about to get the “South African Surprise.”

Guess that are going to learn the true meaning of MeCha’s La Raza motto, “Por La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada” ( “For the Race, everything, outside the Race, nothing”). Uncontrolled immigration was one the Socialist Lefts tool's for gaining power by using illegals as a voting bloc.

Now that bloc is about to oust them from power and install it's own.

Call it the Villaraigosaization of California politics

36 posted on 01/20/2013 8:37:09 PM PST by rdcbn
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To: zeestephen

CIS, Numbers USA, and FAIR - which are the three top Conservative immigration think tanks - all use that number.
No doubt there are flaws in that number, but the consensus seems to be that it is the best one available.


Additionally, the census numbers of population decline in Mexico also support the number of 16-20 million Mexicans moving to El Norte illegally.

Similar demographics in South and Central America support another 10 million of their collective populations moving to the US illegally.

SO figure 12 million here in 1996 plus 16-20 million Mexicans plus another 10 million Non Mexican South and Central Americans and you get an easy 30 - 40 million illegals in the US.

This is consistent with what we see in our new Press 1 for Spanish, Press 2 for English culture in the US.


37 posted on 01/20/2013 8:47:47 PM PST by rdcbn
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To: rdcbn

Arrest all illegals, seize all property they possess and deport them.


38 posted on 01/25/2013 6:27:43 PM PST by ogen hal (First amendment or reeducation camp?)
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