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Hmm… Shock Claim: Obama Only Wants Military Leaders Who ‘Will Fire on U.S. Citizens’
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com ^ | January 22, 2013 | Jim Hoft

Posted on 01/22/2013 3:45:43 PM PST by george76

Dr. Jim Garrow, the author of The Pink Pagoda: One Man’s Quest to End Gendercide in China, made the following claim .

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I have just been informed by a former senior military leader that Obama is using a new “litmus test” in determining who will stay and who must go in his military leaders. Get ready to explode folks. “The new litmus test of leadership in the military is if they will fire on US citizens or not.” Those who will not are being removed.

So, who is the source?

Garrow replied: “The man who told me this is one of America’s foremost military heroes.”

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To: Soul of the South

Or option 3: They don’t want to mysteriously die in a one car crash, or suddenly get lead poisoning to the back of the head by a DHS hollowpoint.


51 posted on 01/22/2013 4:37:05 PM PST by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: carriage_hill

and illegal bullets to use in war, to top it off.

and if they shoot you, don’t expect you’ll get medical help under obamacare.


52 posted on 01/22/2013 4:37:12 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Michael.SF.

I was at the bagel shop on base this morning. Standing next to me while I waited on my bagel was a Tech Sergeant. He smiled at me and said, “Well, we have a new president.” I smiled back and replied, “Yes we do, but it is the same one.” Then I said, “I look at it this way, our national nightmare is one-half over.” He frowned and would not speak to me again.


53 posted on 01/22/2013 4:37:52 PM PST by saminfl
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To: Venturer

yes, many hate heteros, they proect their hate for their parents onto those they’d have to shoot. straight guys have no chance, both hate them. hetero couples no problem gunning them down, especially if they’re christians.


54 posted on 01/22/2013 4:40:13 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: george76

Dante saw all of these people coming, and has a special place for them defined....


55 posted on 01/22/2013 4:41:15 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: Mr. K

The SS was not chock full of faggots. Homosexuality was a problem issue that the Fuehrer wanted to deal with the gas chambers. SS had another problem there were not enough women of pure Aryan race that would not allow for the SS to achieve offspring for the Fuehrer. True fascism rids the country of its faggots and lesbians. 60% of all homosexuals were gassed in concentration Camps, others were utilized as guinea pigs for scientific experiments.

Look at Iran the rise of a Fascist Nation - Homosexuals are killed.

Get the Homosexuals to come out of the closet so to speak. The US Government does not have to have a registry and lo and behold you get rid of the homosexual.

keep this in mind Obama passes anything that is viewed as a positive is actually a negative because there is an unintended consequence that arises out of everything that Obama touches.


56 posted on 01/22/2013 4:42:44 PM PST by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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To: george76

Pardon me while I slip on the hip boots to avoid the BS.

Look up fragging to see what happens to obuma murderers.


57 posted on 01/22/2013 4:45:19 PM PST by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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To: george76
Well, I wouldn't put a lot of stock in it except as a data point. One thing to watch for is something staged like Waco, but it would have to villify a certain group and justify further action,i.e., unfortunately if there is something bad afoot, to have any hope of public sentiment turn against any media propaganda those who plot would have to shoot first.

And there will be media propaganda, at first in blind support and out of hatred for a perceived "enemy", later on it will be out of fear of reprisal from those the propaganda has targeted as things really heat up.

They key is not facing loyal troops directly, but going after those who sent them.

58 posted on 01/22/2013 4:45:19 PM PST by Tench_Coxe
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To: Farmer Dean

Can’t find any in the Austin area.

I need to buy a lot for the “Ladies Learn to Shoot” days that SAS puts on.


59 posted on 01/22/2013 4:46:41 PM PST by basil (basil)
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To: Soul of the South

I’m with you, this is just another Internet myth.


60 posted on 01/22/2013 4:46:50 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (There is no requirement to show need in order to exercise your rights.)
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To: Trod Upon

I think we’re winning bigtime, in those and all other numbers.


61 posted on 01/22/2013 4:48:12 PM PST by carriage_hill (AR-10s/15s are the 21st Century's Muskets. Self-Defense is The First Human Right.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

If you’re lucky, you’ll just quietly bleed-out instead of getting the Red Pill.


62 posted on 01/22/2013 4:50:17 PM PST by carriage_hill (AR-10s/15s are the 21st Century's Muskets. Self-Defense is The First Human Right.)
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To: george76
Not shocking if true.

But put it into historical perspective: look into the role of Eisenhower, Patton, and McArthur in demolishing the "Bonus Army". Not a pretty episode in US military history.

Obama and his puppeteers need a military that will do as he says. He's trashing the current force. What replaces it will be something very different.
63 posted on 01/22/2013 4:50:57 PM PST by Nepeta
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To: basil

“My theory is that the reason they are buying up all the ammo is that they haven’t been successful getting our guns. Hence, they will have all the ammo, and we aren’t able to get any...”

Yep, a billion rounds of cop killer bullets were delivered to the National Weather Service. The forecasters are coming to get us.


64 posted on 01/22/2013 4:52:04 PM PST by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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To: miele man

“Google the 29 Palms Questionnaire. This dates back to 1988 if I recall rightly. Marines stationed at the 29 Palms Marine base in California were asked this question back then. It created a firestorm of controversy. I thought at the time it was a harbinger of bad things to come. Looks like it may well be nigh.”

You’re wrong. That survey showed that 64% of Marines would not shoot Americans, The boots and privates might be susceptible to such an illegal order, but the sergeants and captains would correct them. The idiot officers who gave such a command would be fed to the alligators in the Carolina swamp.

Next question.


65 posted on 01/22/2013 5:00:04 PM PST by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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To: davetex

Everyone, count the cost before committing. I’m in the South, from a long line of Confederates; great grandfather was a Confederate soldier. They hoped it would be a brief spectacle, too. Well over half a million men died in that war; and now, in spite of quitting themselves like men, us “Rebs” are regularly maligned by the likes of Obama who fancies himself the modern-day “Lincoln”. - Count the cost; because there is a cost.


66 posted on 01/22/2013 5:02:28 PM PST by Twinkie (JOHN 3:16)
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To: Mr. K

Good luck finding reloading supply’s,
They are as scarce as hens teeth nowadays.


67 posted on 01/22/2013 5:04:05 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: All

will the assault media ask questions about this at the next press conference?

we have to have ONE intreprid reporter.

Drudge would certainly get attention since he is the hompage of the MSM. Rush is show prep.


68 posted on 01/22/2013 5:04:05 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: george76
21st Century Praetorians...
69 posted on 01/22/2013 5:06:12 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Soul of the South
If this is true, a real hero and patriot would come forward publicly

I agree, and if it is true and this person doesn't publicly come forward, shame on him.

70 posted on 01/22/2013 5:09:58 PM PST by snippy_about_it
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To: Mr. K; Tijeras_Slim

Who here knows about reloading? Is it hard to get into?
___________________________________________

Not hard to start, nor expensive to kit yourself out at Reloading 101 level.

Was going to suggest Lee Precision “Lee Loader Rifle or Pistol” kit, less than $40, but they’re all out of stock in the pistol category and they suggest going to a dealer.

A simple single cartridge handloader includes everything but brass, primer, powder, and bullet. It’s kind of like learning to shoot a single loader rifle. Learn the basics and get comfortable with them before dealing with turret presses and all. Some just don’t take to it. With the Lee Loader you’re not out big bucks if reloading isn’t for you. But even that $40 isn’t wasted. Handy little kit to have for a bug out bag or to have at the range to hand load different powder or bullet weights.

Old fellow in W VA swears he only loads one .30-30 cartridge a year being as how he only takes one deer a season and that’s all he needs.

Any way, take a gander here to wet your toes:
http://leeprecision.com/reloading-kits/lee-loader-pistol/

If you take to it or want more control for precision shooting you can go whole hog but that Lee Loader will still get the job done.


71 posted on 01/22/2013 5:10:45 PM PST by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: carriage_hill

The fact that the government bought all those bullets, many more than they would need is a clear indication that something bad is going on.


72 posted on 01/22/2013 5:11:11 PM PST by doomtrooper99 (Mitt is getting army behind him)
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To: george76
Garrow replied: “The man who told me this is one of America’s foremost military heroes.”

Let me guess, his last name is "Anonymous"........that guy really gets around.......

73 posted on 01/22/2013 5:12:56 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon or just throw her from the train......)
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To: Quickgun

Or were told that their retirement pay would be shut off.


74 posted on 01/22/2013 5:13:08 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Quickgun

Absolutely.

It’s amazing that most of you can’t see you’re being trolled by the Left. They put out this crap with the hopes some knucklehead with a radio show repeats it as fact.

Then all they have to do is point out how irrational and crazy conservatives are.

For the love of God, THINK for once. You seriously believe think this wouldnt have been outed by those people approached and subsequently fired for saying “no?”

And you wonder why we lose elections.


75 posted on 01/22/2013 5:13:48 PM PST by MDspinboyredux
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To: george76

That’s a bankable allegation.


76 posted on 01/22/2013 5:16:46 PM PST by izzatzo
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To: Covenantor

77 posted on 01/22/2013 5:20:00 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: hondact200
My understanding is that homosexuals were one of the first groups to back Hitler. It was only later, Hitler went for them.

There's plenty on the Internet backing this view of the Nazi party and homosexuality.

http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/fischer/080515

"Lively’s crime? In his book, “The Pink Swastika,” Lively exposes a secret homosexual activists don't want you to know about Nazi Germany: that although the Nazis did persecute homosexuals, the homosexuals the Nazis persecuted were almost exclusively the effeminate members of the gay community in Germany, and that much of the mistreatment was administered by masculine homosexuals who despised effeminacy in all its forms.

Ludwig Lenz worked at the Sex Research Institute in Berlin, which was destroyed by Hitler's Brown Shirts in 1933 likely because its records, including 40,000 confessions from members of the Nazi Party, would have exposed the sexual perversions of Nazi leadership. Lenz said that “not ten percent of the men who, in 1933, took the fate of Germany into their hands, were sexually normal.”

In fact, the Nazi Party began in a gay bar in Munich, and Ernst Roehm, Hitler's right hand in the early days of Nazism, was well-known for his taste in young boys. William Shirer says in his definitive “Rise and Fall of the Third Reich,” not only that Roehm was “important in the rise of Hitler,” but also “like so many of the early Nazis, (he was) a homosexual.”

Hitler eventually had Roehm shot, not because he was a homosexual but because his influence over the Brown Shirts made him a political threat to Hitler's control. The Roehm Purge, or “Night of the Long Knives,” was largely implemented by homosexuals.

Hitler's Brown Shirts, the dreaded SA, better known as “Storm Troopers,” were the creation of another homosexual, Gerhard Rossbach, and Storm Troopers were almost exclusively homosexual. They also, sadly, comprised most of the leadership of the Hitler Youth, resulting in frequent instances of sexual molestation.

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78 posted on 01/22/2013 5:21:03 PM PST by FR_addict
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To: george76

The problem with this theory is that generals do not fire on anybody. They order their subordinates to order other subordinates, etc., and eventually a squad leader orders his privates to fire on somebody.

Even if the general is personally ordering some Air Force pilot with a joystick, flying a Predator, to fire on civilians. If the pilot doesn’t want to, he doesn’t.

The basic problem here is that leftists truly believe that all military people are stupid thugs who couldn’t get any other job, and will obey *any* order given to them by anyone who “outranks” them.

So imagine Dianne Feinstein walking up to a bunch of soldiers and “ordering” them to start shooting at a Tea Party demonstration. “I’m a US senator and I *order* you to shoot those people! Obey me! Obey me!”

If even one private acts like he might, the others will intercede telling him to cut that stuff out. Not a lawful order.


79 posted on 01/22/2013 5:22:33 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: sergeantdave

Why on earth does the weather service need ammo? Maybe that’s a dumb question, but off the top of my head, I can’t think of a reason.


80 posted on 01/22/2013 5:23:33 PM PST by basil (basil)
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

Totally credible allegation.


81 posted on 01/22/2013 5:24:03 PM PST by izzatzo
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To: george76

If the government goes after conservatives, libertarians and gun owners, in an existential way, the government will be faced with asymmetrical warfare. Resistors will not simply cower in their homes waiting for the next SWAT raid, they will disperse and go on the offensive. Resistors will not target the highly protected, and high ranking politically connected chiefs, but instead, direct their energies against the thinly protected bureaucrats, low level pols, government workers and their families. Financial institutions, IRS, transportation, communication, water supply will be targeted. Encouraging instability in the cities, through arms sales or by engaging diversionary crimes, among poor minority populations will also be needed to tie down government forces.
The advantage for guerrilla forces is not having to defend targets, mobility and ability to blend in with the general population. In order to be effective at the onset, the resistor forces need to be small, dispersed and without a central organization.
This is how organizations such as the Mexican and Columbian narco traffickers have gained control of large segments of their respective countries.


82 posted on 01/22/2013 5:28:14 PM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est.)
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To: The Great RJ

You haven’t been around many black members of the armed forces, particularly the US Army. The number of black officers i met who were rapidly anti-israel and pro-Arab was disturbing. The number of black enlisted men who baldly stated that anything ‘their’ president ordered them to do they would be happy to do was shocking. Blacks in general in the US increasingly tout not being ‘Americans’ but privileged ‘others’. A lot of those who see themselves as ‘others’ wear the uniform of one service or another. They see white Americans as ‘whitey and the enemy’. This is part of the fruits of multiculturalism.


83 posted on 01/22/2013 5:31:14 PM PST by robowombat
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To: Mr. K
Is reloading hard?

Not if you stick with the recomended loads.

84 posted on 01/22/2013 5:33:43 PM PST by norton
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To: doomtrooper99

If they were FMJs for target practice, it wouldn’t be so unsettling as the huge percentage which were actually more expensive HPs. That smacks of ‘something bad coming’. You’re right.


85 posted on 01/22/2013 5:36:49 PM PST by carriage_hill (AR-10s/15s are the 21st Century's Muskets. Self-Defense is The First Human Right.)
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To: Twinkie

I think you misunderstood my comment. I did not advocate anything. It was simply a compliment to eloquence. That’s all.

Not sure how you read all that into what I said.


86 posted on 01/22/2013 5:40:33 PM PST by davetex (Location: The Alamo)
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To: Travis McGee

Stanley McChrystal’s comments I sadly suspect reflect the consensus of flag officer. And then I recall my first post at FR regarding the attack on the Bonus Army camp in the Anacostia section of Washington DC lead by MacArthur, with Eisenhower and Patton participating without reservation even though they knew that Hoover had not authorized the action.

We’re way overburdened with admirals, generals, and ambitious colonels. Time to cull that herd, send them out to pasture. Maybe a goodwill trip to Russia aboard a skytrain of old Tupelovs?


87 posted on 01/22/2013 5:41:19 PM PST by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: Quickgun

Google “West Point civil unrest”

(Why were posts pulled yesterday with this same info?)


88 posted on 01/22/2013 5:41:26 PM PST by conserv8
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To: hondact200

http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/national-guard-whistleblower-doomsday-preppers-will-be-treated-as-terrorists_10252012

“I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic…”

So begins the Oath of Enlistment for the U.S. military, but in an explosive interview with a National Guard whistleblower shown below, soldiers are now being advised they will be ordered to break that oath should civil unrest erupt across the country.


89 posted on 01/22/2013 5:46:02 PM PST by conserv8
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To: Covenantor

The Bonus Army didn’t come equipped with 10,000 Springfields and Enfields.


90 posted on 01/22/2013 5:46:45 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: doomtrooper99

91 posted on 01/22/2013 5:46:52 PM PST by carriage_hill (AR-10s/15s are the 21st Century's Muskets. Self-Defense is The First Human Right.)
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To: norton

Just fill the case with powder, then hammer a bullet down, right?

Are there different kinds of gunpowder?

(Just kidding.)


92 posted on 01/22/2013 5:48:21 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: basil

Open your eyes, its been the citizens buying everything that will go bang. Likely half of what Gubmit has bought has already been sold on the black market.

From what we have seen of the Homeland Security (big buyer of ammo)they can’t hit their own butt with both hands, much less hold off a shite-load of PO’d citizens.


93 posted on 01/22/2013 5:49:44 PM PST by X-spurt (Republic of Texas, Come and Take It!)
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To: doomtrooper99

SOMETHING VERY BAD is going to happen...

Yep, right after SHTF, we are going to rapidly run out of good rope and lamp posts!


94 posted on 01/22/2013 5:54:50 PM PST by X-spurt (Republic of Texas, Come and Take It!)
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To: george76

bfl


95 posted on 01/22/2013 5:57:08 PM PST by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: DuncanWaring

I am quite sure that is exactly what the Germans and Japs were thinking in 1940.


96 posted on 01/22/2013 5:58:53 PM PST by X-spurt (Republic of Texas, Come and Take It!)
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To: basil

Why on earth does the weather service need ammo?

You have no idea how much I appreciate your reply.

Semper fi, FRiend. President Buckwheat is cooked.


97 posted on 01/22/2013 5:58:53 PM PST by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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To: hondact200
I'd bet that a survey of veterans here on FR would show that most of us did something they thought might be unsavory during their tours. Chain of command generally trumps objections and prior oaths.

On another note; I wouldn't count on lots of rational consideration or compassion from anyone facing me with a weapon in his or her hands and orders to make sure I behave myself.

The great consideration is that any potential confrontation will likely be between the common folks and either reservists or the NG, both of which are likely to be innured to combat while trying to remain sane while existing in-between those common folk and the standing military. In that instance you have to weigh "citizen soldier" against "guy with a weapon and orders from recognized authority".

Your opinions will not determine the other guy's actions.

98 posted on 01/22/2013 6:02:17 PM PST by norton
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To: miele man
"Google the 29 Palms Questionnaire."

Did that. One article links a thread on FR which has been deleted. Odd since FR maintains a huge database.

99 posted on 01/22/2013 6:02:45 PM PST by moehoward
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To: Mr. K

It is easy to do go get a book on reloading.. And do it soon.


100 posted on 01/22/2013 6:06:51 PM PST by CapnJack
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