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Hmm… Shock Claim: Obama Only Wants Military Leaders Who ‘Will Fire on U.S. Citizens’
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com ^ | January 22, 2013 | Jim Hoft

Posted on 01/22/2013 3:45:43 PM PST by george76

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To: basil

My theory is that the reason they are buying up all the ammo is that they haven’t been successful getting our guns. Hence, they will have all the ammo, and we aren’t able to get any...


Just remember, “somebody” knows which armories all of that stuff is going to.


101 posted on 01/22/2013 6:06:58 PM PST by The Working Man
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To: norton

Google “Milgram Experiment”

“Stanford prison experiment”


102 posted on 01/22/2013 6:10:13 PM PST by conserv8
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To: george76

Won’t all Obama voters fire on US citizens?


103 posted on 01/22/2013 6:15:11 PM PST by 353FMG ( I refuse to specify whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: george76

The great news is that our posts here will deflect the bullets and loss of liberty!


104 posted on 01/22/2013 6:16:39 PM PST by NoLibZone (It's time folks. It's time. Posting aint gonna cut it.)
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To: george76

bump for later.......


105 posted on 01/22/2013 6:18:19 PM PST by indthkr
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To: basil

Ammo is a consumable.
Your theory makes about as much sense as solving obesity by buying up all the soda and chips.


106 posted on 01/22/2013 6:23:57 PM PST by ctdonath2 (End of debate. Your move.)
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To: Mr. K

No, buy a reloading manual and read.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/639649/lee-modern-reloading-2nd-edition-revised-reloading-manual


107 posted on 01/22/2013 6:39:16 PM PST by GreatMan
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To: Soul of the South

2) We have no patriots in the general officer corps.

Above the rank of OF O-6 or E-7 they are political appointment’s first and they dam well know it. Expect nothing.


108 posted on 01/22/2013 6:39:57 PM PST by gfbtbb (Ladies and Gentlemen, we are on our own.)
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To: Twinkie
They hoped it would be a brief spectacle, too

How many times have soldiers said "we'll be home by Christmas"? You can count on this gun grabbing and overreaching by the left to be long and protracted to a breaking point. And what comes after will be long and protracted.

109 posted on 01/22/2013 6:41:27 PM PST by VRW Conspirator (Sometimes it takes calamity to lead to serenity - FReeper RacerX1128)
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To: FR_addict
It was only later, Hitler went for them.

I am going to go out on a limb and say that Hitler was a closet/latent homosexual. Eva Braun was a cover. (donning asbestos underwear)

110 posted on 01/22/2013 6:44:21 PM PST by VRW Conspirator (Sometimes it takes calamity to lead to serenity - FReeper RacerX1128)
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To: basil

While I was working unloading my FFL’s trucks full of ammo, firearms, optics etc for the past 28hrs straight, I asked a CorBon/Glaser rep about the shortage, and he said it’ll be over soon, IF the EPA doesn’t interfere w/ pending lead regs or they don’t try to bring microstamping ammo, back..


111 posted on 01/22/2013 6:45:58 PM PST by carriage_hill (AR-10s/15s are the 21st Century's Muskets. Self-Defense is The First Human Right.)
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To: george76; Reaganite Republican; Clintons Are White Trash; HerrBlucher; mgist; raptor22; ...
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112 posted on 01/22/2013 6:46:45 PM PST by narses
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113 posted on 01/22/2013 6:47:14 PM PST by narses
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114 posted on 01/22/2013 6:48:09 PM PST by narses
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To: george76

The silver lining for us regarding the deep budget cuts and social engineering the military faces is that, were the unthinkable ever to transpire, then we’d be facing a military that is a shadow of its old self.

Even today, the only dangerous units are the combat arms units, and they’re a fraction of the military. Your average combat service support unit would get torn to pieces trying to occupy anything more dangerous than a chow hall.

The combat arms unit we have are second to none, but their senior leadership is, quite frankly, second to all. Given the increasingly poor record of success the military enjoys due to the increasingly politicized commanders, it’s likely that promoting the most obedient will continue to reward the most inept.


115 posted on 01/22/2013 6:55:08 PM PST by Steel Wolf ("Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master." - Gaius Sallustius Crispus)
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To: Mr. K

These people they fire on will be firing back.


116 posted on 01/22/2013 7:00:04 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Venturer

“Will America’s LGBT military fire on us?”

They were trained since kindergarten. This is why the “anti-bullying” program in schools were put in place.


117 posted on 01/22/2013 7:01:33 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz (I own a weapon to protect my family from those wanting to take that weapon away.)
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To: Mr. K
Who here knows about reloading?

I'm a big fan of Dillon Precision. I had one of the 550 progressive presses for years, and loaded tens of thousands of rounds using it. In fact, it's been at least 10 or 12 years since I reloaded, and all the ammo I had laying around recently fired without a single hiccup.

Mark

118 posted on 01/22/2013 7:05:12 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: george76

Looks like a factual statement to me. Just look at who he fired.


119 posted on 01/22/2013 7:05:21 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Quickgun

Believe it. Heard it directly from someone deployed in the Middle East right now. Questionnaire given troops asking if they could fire on American citizens. The general feeling was-if one said `no` it wouldn`t be healthy in many ways. So many are lying and saying `yes`...lets hope they all are. This is why Americans want heavy firepower. Washington warned about being endangered by our own government. If our military WOULD follow orders to turn on us we could never match the firepower..but a terrible stand would be possible that might cause disobedience. We have to ask ourselves...are we supporting troops who will blindly obet orders to subjugate us?


120 posted on 01/22/2013 7:07:29 PM PST by ClearBlueSky
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To: Soul of the South

Your analysis is ignorant.

The hero has come foreward, but you can’t be bothered to pay attention. He isn’t a general (few heroes are, and the ones that were are dead) and he has been vocal.


121 posted on 01/22/2013 7:10:12 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: doomtrooper99

Look on the bright side, when they start shooting, we get to shoot back. I think we will win. If not, we will at least have had some fun.


122 posted on 01/22/2013 7:11:19 PM PST by Will we know the moment (e are no longer a republi)
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To: dfwgator

>> “Didn’t he already give those orders at Waco?” <<

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Yes, he did, and he burned women and children to death in the church basement. He also ordered the straifing of farm wagons full of excaping refuges leaving Kosovo.

He would be Obama’s kind of guy.


123 posted on 01/22/2013 7:15:05 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Tench_Coxe

>> “ unfortunately if there is something bad afoot, to have any hope of public sentiment turn against any media propaganda those who plot would have to shoot first.” <<

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At Waco, not only did they shoot first, but they were the only ones to shoot, but it didn’t help.

The American people are terminally stupid.


124 posted on 01/22/2013 7:21:43 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Go back to sleep.


125 posted on 01/22/2013 7:24:56 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

Name one officer who has been asked if they will fire upon US citizens.


126 posted on 01/22/2013 7:28:18 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (There is no requirement to show need in order to exercise your rights.)
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To: Thorliveshere

Not skeered.


127 posted on 01/22/2013 7:28:56 PM PST by servantboy777
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To: george76

everyone please keep the following in mind when reading this article, there are about 1.6 million men and women in uniform, there are about 18 million deer hunters in America, so they are out numbered.


128 posted on 01/22/2013 7:30:54 PM PST by stockpirate (Sen. John Kerry belonged to the terrorist group VVAW.)
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To: MDspinboyredux

Amazing how you shills end up here.


129 posted on 01/22/2013 7:32:26 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: carriage_hill
“Something’s afoot, Watson.”

"The Game," most likely.

130 posted on 01/22/2013 7:35:28 PM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

>> “Even if the general is personally ordering some Air Force pilot with a joystick, flying a Predator, to fire on civilians. If the pilot doesn’t want to, he doesn’t.” <<

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Then what happened in Kosovo?


131 posted on 01/22/2013 7:46:57 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: robowombat

>> “This is part of the fruits of multiculturalism.” <<

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This is the fruit of government schools.
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132 posted on 01/22/2013 7:49:51 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: X-spurt; basil

Basil’s eyes are open, unfortunately you can apparently type blind.

You have no idea what you’re talking about.

Your cute little Mary Poppins world simply never existed.


133 posted on 01/22/2013 7:56:01 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Steel Wolf

>> “ Your average combat service support unit would get torn to pieces trying to occupy anything more dangerous than a chow hall.” <<

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Then what happened at Waco?

The Davidians never fired a shot, even though it was reported by the schmuck mediots that they were heavily armed.


134 posted on 01/22/2013 8:06:05 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: VRW Conspirator

Before and during the Revolutionary War, the “Crown” had become terribly abusive to the colonists; seemingly not even deeming them to be human beings much less citizens. I guess it’s true we can’t know who’s capable of what sorts of excesses that strain the human being’s capacity to endure it. So, there’s no way to predict anything; am just hoping they’ll stay “bizzy” with “bizzy work” enough so that their time flies and they don’t become bored.


135 posted on 01/22/2013 8:08:39 PM PST by Twinkie (JOHN 3:16)
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To: Venturer
Many years ago, when I was active duty, we were given a questionnaire and one of the questions was “would you fire on U.S. citizens if ordered” or words to that effect. This was under Carter. I believe they received a resounding NO. This is only my speculation from conversations with others. There were a few that said they would kill anyone they were told to. Generally your moron type that was not very good at their job nor anything else but swilling booze any chance they had. Speaking with active duty and newly released military ( most with combat experience)nothing has changed. Maybe a few more morons. I think any officer that ordered troops to fire might feel the sting himself!
136 posted on 01/22/2013 8:09:31 PM PST by spudville
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To: Blood of Tyrants

You need to pay much more attention to Oliver North.

Or buy a DVD of Pollyanna, or Mary Poppins.


137 posted on 01/22/2013 8:10:30 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: GOPJ; Jim Robinson; MestaMachine; Rushmore Rocks; Oorang; KC_Lion; Godzilla; Domestic Church; ...
From Article:
I have just been informed by a former senior military leader that Obama is using a new “litmus test” in determining who will stay and who must go in his military leaders. Get ready to explode folks. “The new litmus test of leadership in the military is if they will fire on US citizens or not.” Those who will not are being removed.

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GOPJ wrote:
"When you listen to democrats talk - the only ‘enemy’ they seem to have are conservative Americans. - These are the folks giving fighter jets to the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.... training Saudis in Texas... trying to take guns away from American citizens...."

Thanks, GOPJ.

138 posted on 01/22/2013 8:22:53 PM PST by LucyT (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: spudville

Spudville,

Thanks for that report about that old survey and for the update about this latest one!

Wasn’t the title of the old one “combat arms survey “?

I remember the stink it stirred up.... and that was d@m close to twenty years ago!


139 posted on 01/22/2013 8:35:31 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: fatnotlazy
Or 3) The thugs got to him, threatened his family...

Which begs the question that I've been asking for a few years now.

How can a General in the most powerful army in the world be cowered into submission by some SEIU union thug?

Why wouldn't that General have access to counter-insurgency special operations personnel to go to that SEIU thug and give back x 10 the threat the thug threatened?

Do we really have a paper tiger military?

-PJ

140 posted on 01/22/2013 8:42:12 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: LucyT; george76

From George76’s post:

” I have just been informed by a former senior military leader that Obama is using a new “litmus test” in determining who will stay and who must go in his military leaders. Get ready to explode folks. “The new litmus test of leadership in the military is if they will fire on US citizens or not.” Those who will not are being removed.”

OK one way to validate this thing is to keep tabs on which notable personnel are leaving the military.

Write letters to each asking if they were asked that question.

Publish the results here.

Start with the general that is stepping down.

Ask him.


141 posted on 01/22/2013 8:45:24 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: editor-surveyor
What happened at Waco? Aside from the obvious "don't join a wackadoodle cult and get into a pointless gunfight and protracted seige with the feds", you mean? That's pretty much what happened at Waco. It's tragic (and, at best, criminally negligent) that women and children died there, but let's not romanticise what they died over.

That said, it's no great feat of arms to roll armored vehicles towards a cult compound and burn it to the ground. That sort of thing is pretty much what armored vehicles are built for. And it's a whole different ballgame than trying to occupy a 'friendly' town full of deer rifles on the roofs and handguns around every corner.

Just like in Iraq and Afghanistan, the military has great advantage while on the move, but is vulerable to being bled down once it has to hold territory. Combat arms units can do so effectively, provided they have a relaxed ROE. (Other units, like a finance or supply battalion, not so much.) Combat arms units are a drop in the bucket, compared to the scope of the country, and a relaxed ROE will cause a lot of YouTube worthy footage that won't help the government's cause.

The comparison to Waco really isn't apt on any level, aside from, at best, the government's willingness to use force.

142 posted on 01/22/2013 9:03:38 PM PST by Steel Wolf ("Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master." - Gaius Sallustius Crispus)
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To: Steel Wolf

I may be wrong but I understood that the compound members never fired a shot.


143 posted on 01/22/2013 9:10:37 PM PST by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: Steel Wolf

There was no gun fight at Waco, it was simply an unlawful seige by Janet REno’s thugs, and only her thugs did any firing, this has been proven.

Jerks think that they can call anyone that they wish to marginalize a “wackadoodle cult,” but this is still a constitutional republic, and beliefs are to be respected.

Waco is the quintessential perfect comparison; much more so than Ruby Ridge was; that was done in secret for the most part.

You really did give yourself away on this.


144 posted on 01/22/2013 9:22:25 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Chickensoup

>> “I may be wrong but I understood that the compound members never fired a shot.” <<

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You are 100% correct.


145 posted on 01/22/2013 9:23:48 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Chickensoup

>> “I may be wrong but I understood that the compound members never fired a shot.” <<

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You are 100% correct.

And they were not in a “compound,” it was a church complex with school rooms, an auditorium, and a library.


146 posted on 01/22/2013 9:25:13 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: carriage_hill
Well, personnel on bases are unarmed accept for one woman.
Doesn't seem fair.
147 posted on 01/22/2013 9:27:37 PM PST by MaxMax (Gun free zones was the invitation to gun bans by the left, at any cost)
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

I need to know if this is true. Right down to the bedrock.

If it is, then we will all need to talk


148 posted on 01/22/2013 9:30:21 PM PST by Steve Newton (And the Wolves will learn what we have shown before-We love our sheep we dogs of war. Vaughn)
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To: Political Junkie Too

>> “Do we really have a paper tiger military?” <<

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Since the end of WW II, absolutely.

The News manufacturing industry pulled out troops out of Viet Nam after the war had been won, and before the Vietnamese could establish a hold.

What do you call that?

Or Stormin’ Norman being held back from Bagdad?
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149 posted on 01/22/2013 9:31:14 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Chickensoup

Are you aware of how the siege at Waco started? I don’t want to be standing up for the government here, but let’s at least keep our history straight.

Four ATF agents (and six Branch Dividians) were killed on February 28th 1993 while attempting to serve a warrant. That was the gunfight which lead to the siege.

During the raid itself, 50 days after the intial gunfight, there were conflicting reports between the government and the Branch Dividian survivors over who shot first (and if anyone fired back), but that’s 50 days past the point you should have called your lawyer, surrendered peacefully and had your day in court. If you kill four ATF agents, the government is going to surround your house and get you, dead or alive.

The government was unnecessarily heavy handed in how they handled the situation, given the presence of so many non-combatants, but David Koresh had 50 days to man up and admit playing sex Jesus to teenage girls was a game not worth dying over. He’s nobody we should be emulating, either tactically or philosophically.


150 posted on 01/22/2013 9:35:25 PM PST by Steel Wolf ("Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master." - Gaius Sallustius Crispus)
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