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Hmm… Shock Claim: Obama Only Wants Military Leaders Who ‘Will Fire on U.S. Citizens’
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com ^ | January 22, 2013 | Jim Hoft

Posted on 01/22/2013 3:45:43 PM PST by george76

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To: Political Junkie Too
Twenty years or so ago the teamsters faced down the commander of CECOM, a two star, over ‘work place issues’ including a directive that employee autos parked in no parking areas would be towed. The Teamster local chief baldly told the CECOM CO he didn't give a F what the general wanted. Bring it on. His people would be happy to mix it up with the MP’s. He pointed out his folks didn't care about getting arrested they would all be taken care of by the union. The general however, would see his career go down in flames if a riot between MP’s and CECOM workers led the evening news in jersey. The CO blinked and the new regulations were effectively gutted.
151 posted on 01/22/2013 9:39:19 PM PST by robowombat
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To: editor-surveyor

“Beliefs are to be respected”?

What beliefs? Polygamy with 13 year old girls and other men’s wives? You respect that? You think that should be legal?

No, sorry, I don’t respect those beliefs, and I’m a pretty squishy libertarian. You can be anti-government tyranny without signing on to support sexual abuse. You’d have a hard time selling Branch Dividian ideas in San Francisco. Or anywhere west of Mecca.

I don’t know how this conversation got so derailed, but if you’re looking to win the Best Conservative Evah trophy by dropping the Waco Truther card, then consider the game yours. I’ll wear the Damn Dirty RINO hat if the alternative is the Alex Jones crown.


152 posted on 01/22/2013 10:08:14 PM PST by Steel Wolf ("Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master." - Gaius Sallustius Crispus)
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To: george76
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153 posted on 01/22/2013 10:23:25 PM PST by LucyT (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: editor-surveyor

That seeing eye dog just walk you into the street? The poster clearly said it was just his theory.

I’m all for theories, but there ain’t a poster here that KNOWS anything for a FACT regarding the gubmit’s reasons.

Those that know are not talking, those talking know nothing.

My theory is they have bought up a load of rounds as a bluff trying to scare us. Must be working with you Bravehearts.


154 posted on 01/22/2013 10:34:35 PM PST by X-spurt (Republic of Texas, Come and Take It!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
What Good Can a Handgun Do Against An Army? http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2312894/posts

And this one:


155 posted on 01/22/2013 10:44:02 PM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only Hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Interesting.


156 posted on 01/22/2013 11:46:01 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: ought-six; Mr. K

According “The Pink Swastika”, the Night of the Long Knives was not about purging fags at all, but getting rid of Roehm due to fear he was going to compete with Hitler in a power struggle of some sort. Plenty of fags were left in the Nazi party. In fact, the Nazi philosophy was in its inception wedded to certain elements of homosexuality. Hitler was most likely one himself, according to “The Hidden Hitler”, a book by a German historian whose name I can’t remember at the moment. Lothar something or other, who is not “anti-gay” btw.

In fact the “book burning” was in actually to burn the records of the Human Sexuality Institute, or whatever it was called, that had a lot of records of Nazi sexual perversion.


157 posted on 01/22/2013 11:51:11 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: sergeantdave
Yep, a billion rounds of cop killer bullets were delivered to the National Weather Service. The forecasters are coming to get us.

Cool! Mine must still be in the mail.

158 posted on 01/23/2013 3:39:35 AM PST by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
So imagine Dianne Feinstein walking up to a bunch of soldiers and “ordering” them to start shooting at a Tea Party demonstration. “I’m a US senator and I *order* you to shoot those people! Obey me! Obey me!”

Watch the last scene in the movie "Shooter"...

159 posted on 01/23/2013 3:44:12 AM PST by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: spudville

If you think the Police will not turn on you watch this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4&feature=endscreen


160 posted on 01/23/2013 4:13:47 AM PST by Venturer
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To: editor-surveyor

I’ve no idea what happened in Kosovo. What happened in Kosovo? Did it involve American pilots targeting American civilians in America?


161 posted on 01/23/2013 5:05:44 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: Steel Wolf

OK. I have also heard that he was jogging in the community and that ATF could have at any point in time, arrested him away from the compound.


162 posted on 01/23/2013 5:37:21 AM PST by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: Steve Newton

Same here.

I emailed the good Dr. just now; hope he can shed more light on it.


163 posted on 01/23/2013 5:45:53 AM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: LucyT

Good graphic!

I emailed the good Dr. just now asking for more info on this, whether militeary leadership retention criteria included willingness to fire on ones own citizens.


164 posted on 01/23/2013 5:51:49 AM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: editor-surveyor

Again, direct me to the testimony of ONE officer who has been asked if they are willing to fire upon US citizens.


165 posted on 01/23/2013 6:10:58 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (There is no requirement to show need in order to exercise your rights.)
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To: WildHighlander57
The questionnaire I took was 38 years ago, but I do remember the one during Clintons regime, now that you mention it. They were concerned about combat trained and experienced ex military. I believe one of the reasons PTSD is pushed so hard. The enemy within see anything that could even remotely be considered mental illness as a reason to take away someones 2nd amendment rights.
166 posted on 01/23/2013 6:44:21 AM PST by spudville
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To: Mr. K

> And they sure as hell would fire on conservatives. Look at the german storm troopers- the SS was rumored to be chock full of fags

The Pink Swastika sure seems to indicate this to be true and looks like they certainly did a lot of research:

http://www.thepinkswastika.com/


167 posted on 01/23/2013 6:50:29 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: Steel Wolf
Four ATF agents (and six Branch Dividians) were killed on February 28th 1993 while attempting to serve a warrant. That was the gunfight which lead to the siege.

Yes, and the government was able to prove that it was a "gunfight" with the cars that were parked outside at the time, and the steel entrance door.

Oh, wait - the steel door "disappeared", and the cars were driven over by armored vehicles to "remove cover".

Just read recently that the metal roof that covered the women and children "was destroyed", after the govthugs alleged that there was two-way fire in the assault.

Why did all the stuff that could point a finger "disappear", Steel?

168 posted on 01/23/2013 7:03:49 AM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: X-spurt
My theory is they have bought up a load of rounds as a bluff trying to scare us.

Actually, in reading comments about those stories, the number of rounds purchased was consistent with federal agent training/qualification requirements, if you divided the number of rounds by the number of agents in each respective agency.

169 posted on 01/23/2013 11:20:20 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: george76; Fred Nerks

If this is true, then it should be common knowledge among the upper echelons of the military.

We need to ask ranking officers of the line if this litmus test is true.

It can very easily be true, becauase Obama is a fascist of the first water.

Good read:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html


170 posted on 01/23/2013 11:22:08 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: spudville

I remember about the 29 Palms survey....

Caused a disruption back then too.

Your assessment of the PTSD and labelling everyone is spot on.


171 posted on 01/23/2013 12:04:48 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: Candor7

Find out who’s left already and ask them.


172 posted on 01/23/2013 12:11:30 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: Candor7

Find out who’s left already and ask them. That’s how to check these things out.


173 posted on 01/23/2013 12:12:13 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: dirtboy; X-spurt

” To: X-spurt

My theory is they have bought up a load of rounds as a bluff trying to scare us.

Actually,in reading comments about those stories,the number of rounds purchased was consistent with federal agent training/qualification requirements,if you divided the number of rounds by the number of agents in each respective agency.

169 posted on Wed Jan 23 2013 13:20:20 GMT-0600 (CST) by dirtboy”

The above topic ( ammo bought vs training requirements) should be a thread all its own!

Finally, a voice of reason amongst all the worry!

My heartfelt thanks!


174 posted on 01/23/2013 12:16:24 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: doomtrooper99

I don’t doubt that something bad may happen, but the military has their own ammunition plants, and, for the most part doesn’t use the type of ammunition that the govt. was supposed to have ordered. I wonder if any of that ammunition has ever been delivered? I have gotten to the point, mostly during this administration,that I doubt EVERYTHING I hear. I just tell my friends to keep their powder dry and we will see what is going to happen. At the very least, since the biggest majority of the military are the sons and daughters of Christian conservatives, they aren’t going to be shooting at family members.I think we can bank on that.


175 posted on 01/23/2013 12:36:38 PM PST by Quickgun (I got here kicking,screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I can go out that way if I have to)
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To: WildHighlander57

General Mattis is the most likely.

See this link:

http://theobamafile.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1276589387&postcount=20


176 posted on 01/23/2013 12:44:58 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: WildHighlander57; Fred Nerks

Shock claim: Obama only wants military leaders who “will fire on U.S. citizens”

Dave Gibson is reporting that on Monday, renowned author and humanitarian Dr. Jim Garrow made a shocking claim about what we can expect to see in Obama’s second term.

Garrow made the following Facebook post:

I have just been informed by a former senior military leader that Obama is using a new “litmus test” in determining who will stay and who must go in his military leaders. Get ready to explode folks. “The new litmus test of leadership in the military is if they will fire on US citizens or not.” Those who will not are being removed.

So, who is the source?

Garrow replied: “The man who told me this is one of America’s foremost military heroes.”

Understand, this is not coming from Alex Jones or Jesse Ventura, or from anyone else the left often dismisses with great ease.

Garrow is a well-respected activist and has spent much of his life rescuing infant girls from China, babies who would be killed under that country’s one-child policy. He was also nominated for Nobel Peace Prize for his work.

His bio on Amazon.com reads:

Dr. James Garrow is the author of The Pink Pagoda: One Man’s Quest to End Gendercide in China. He has spent over $25 million over the past sixteen years rescuing an estimated 40,000 baby Chinese girls from near-certain death under China’s one-child-per-couple policy by facilitating international adoptions. He is the founder and executive director of the Bethune Institute’s Pink Pagoda schools, private English-immersion schools for Chinese children. Today he runs 168 schools with nearly 6,300 employees.

This comes on the heels of Sunday’s report in the Washington Free Beacon (WFB) that the head of Central Command, Marine Corps Gen. James Mattis is being dismissed by Obama and will leave his post in March.

The WFB article states:

“Word on the national security street is that General James Mattis is being given the bum’s rush out of his job as commander of Central Command, and is being told to vacate his office several months earlier than planned.”

Did Gen. Mattis refuse to “fire on U.S. citizens?”

http://theobamafile.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1276589387&postcount=20


177 posted on 01/23/2013 12:47:15 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Candor7

Mattis won’t be “former” till march (or after).

List should be made from this Sunday on back.

It will also show the width of this thing


178 posted on 01/23/2013 1:43:16 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: Candor7

thought you might want to see this:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2980840/posts?page=89#89


179 posted on 01/23/2013 1:57:59 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Mr. K

Reloading is not difficult at all. Look into Ultimate Reloader on Youtube or ultimatereloader.com

They have excellent videos for starting out.


180 posted on 01/23/2013 2:42:23 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: little jeremiah

I didn’t mean to imply that Hitler purged the SA because of the fruits, rather he purged them — as you pointed out — due to a power struggle; but the SA leadership was notoriously fruit.


181 posted on 01/23/2013 4:12:35 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: WildHighlander57; dirtboy

I have little concern with the training use and number of rounds they procured. My contention, based on the unusual public story regarding the Agencies ammo purchases (which is normally not news), was that it was intended to increase the tension of Pro-Constitutional citizens.


182 posted on 01/23/2013 4:17:13 PM PST by X-spurt (Republic of Texas, Come and Take It!)
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To: X-spurt; dirtboy

X-spurt, I agree about the news of the “big ammo purchases” being upsetting and a tension increaser.

I was quite relieved to read dirtboy’s evaluation; that had been a thought in the back of my mind and am glad he put it out there.


183 posted on 01/23/2013 4:55:02 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: WildHighlander57; X-spurt
Part of the problem is, we had no basis for comparison for previous ammo purchases by these departments. Without that, it is akin to drawing conclusions from a study without a control group.

But I saw some very rational computations of how that ammo would be used by agents for qualification - and federal agents have to qualify FOUR times a year, from what I read (and what was linked to).

I do not trust government one bit. But I also have learned to take conspiracy news with a grain of salt and to follow it up with my own research and reading. We have to pick the right hills to fight upon.

184 posted on 01/23/2013 5:05:33 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: WildHighlander57; All

Related to Sandy Hook.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XebXBi1MTo

Obvious foreign language and accents.

While on the edge, the question of ‘Are foreign agents (Russian) already inside?’ seems something to be asked.


185 posted on 01/23/2013 5:27:06 PM PST by bluecat6 ("All non-denial denials. They doubt our ancestry, but they don't say the story isn't accurate. ")
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To: ought-six

Hitler did use the excuse of “morality” but it was merely a cover, plus it was meant to asssuage the concerned public that he really did care that so many were faggots.


186 posted on 01/23/2013 6:19:10 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: WildHighlander57; dirtboy

Dirt is hitting the nail on its head on the actuality.

My thinking is that the “ammo announcements” was just another of nobama’s MO of sort of sound threatening, soft terrorism phyops and then act surprised at the reaction.


187 posted on 01/23/2013 6:32:27 PM PST by X-spurt (Republic of Texas, Come and Take It!)
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To: Candor7

What’s next, Candor? Is every single government person on the R side just going to remain silent, no matter what happens?


189 posted on 01/23/2013 8:31:55 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

Yes, the Rs will remain silent, unfortunately.

They are afraid. They went to Washington to prove themselves as members of the ruling class. They do not know how to handle a fascist demographic party.

Meanwhile patriots all across the country are preparing to shoot leftists who in the future try to enforce executive orders and orders or law that infrnge on 2nd amendment rights.It actually is shaping up to get pretty ugly.


190 posted on 01/24/2013 8:38:13 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Candor7

I agree. Ugly indeed.

Freepmail coming your way.


191 posted on 01/24/2013 10:06:13 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

Dr. Garrow interview. This sounds credible to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ynwj33XY664&feature=player_embedded


192 posted on 02/13/2013 5:58:25 AM PST by NKP_Vet
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