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Russia's Vladimir Putin says West is fomenting jihadi 'blowback'
Christian Science Monitor ^ | January 25, 2013 | Fred Weir

Posted on 01/26/2013 3:44:29 AM PST by cunning_fish

Moscow

Both Vladimir Putin and his foreign minister have lashed out at the West in recent days for pursuing what they regard as naive and incoherent Middle East policies. The critique targets Western backing of anti-dictator rebellions in Libya and Syria, which, as Mr. Putin tells it, only fuels the spreading flames of extreme Islamist insurrection, including the current war in Mali and last week's terrorist strike on a gas complex in Algeria.

"The Syrian conflict has been raging for almost two years now. Upheaval in Libya, accompanied by the uncontrolled spread of weapons, contributed to the deterioration of the situation in Mali," Mr. Putin said at a meeting with new ambassadors in the Kremlin Thursday.

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"The tragic consequences of these events led to a terrorist attack in Algeria which took the lives of civilians, including foreigners," he added.

"Those whom the French and Africans are fighting now in Mali are the same people who . . . our Western partners armed so that they would overthrow the Gaddafi regime," in Libya in 2011, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov told a news conference Wednesday.

Many in the West may be inclined to shrug off Russian criticism as the routine sniping of a government whose Mideast influence has slumped since the Arab Spring began, or the self-serving rationale of an autocratic regime that fears popular revolution and automatically backs authoritarian rulers.

But many Russian experts, including sharp critics of the Kremlin on other issues, argue that Russian leaders are being realists about the blowback that has followed Western interventions in the Muslim world.

They say Moscow has been dealing with the threat of militant jihadists since the Soviet Union's disastrous 1980s war in Afghanistan, and has watched as it has shown up in parts of Russia's heartland. Kremlin leaders accuse the West of an enthusiasm for toppling dictators that has led, not to democracy, but to spreading mayhem and rising Islamist militancy across West Asia and North Africa.

"Russia is on the frontier, we are in jihad territory," says Yevgeny Satanovsky, president of the independent Institute of Middle Eastern Studies in Moscow. "Our own fringes, the northern Caucasus, Central Asia, and even the central Volga region are threatened. That's why we're very clear about who the enemy is.. . . We know this, and you would think that after 9/11 and other events that our American and European colleagues would have some clarity about it, too. Yet they always seem ready to play with fire, and to use militant jihadists against Russia and its national interests – as they did in Afghanistan, Chechnya, Libya, and Syria," he adds.

Over the past decade Russia has used its UN Security Council vote to oppose the US invasion of Iraq aimed at overthrowing dictator Saddam Hussein; yet it has strongly supported NATO's anti-Taliban mission in Afghanistan. Last year, Putin even urged the Western allies not to leave Afghanistan before the "job was done" and Moscow gave NATO the use of a huge airbase in central Russia to help with the resupply effort to its embattled forces there.

Moscow abstained on the March 2011 Security Council resolution that authorized the use of force "to protect civilians" in Libya, and last month it actually backed another resolution empowering France and others to intervene against Islamists threatening to overrun Mali.

On the other hand, Russia has repeatedly vetoed any resolution aimed at international cooperation to ease Syrian strongman Bashar al-Assad from power and continues to back his regime with political support and shipments of weaponry. The UN estimates 60,000 killed in the ongoing civil war in Syria, with some 500,000 to 600,000 displaced or categorized as refugees.

Outsiders may be forgiven for seeing Moscow's policies as a bit tangled, not to say hypocritical, but many Russian analysts argue that they have been completely consistent – with the sole exception of former President Dmitry Medvedev's decision to abstain on the Libya "use of force" resolution, which was publicly slammed by then-Prime MThe Libya resolution contained promises to Russia that were never delivered. Today our abstention on that vote can be clearly seen as a mistake, a symption of Medvedev's non-professionalism," says Mr. Satanovsky.

The Russians argue that they back secular goverments and stability, even where it is enforced by a dictatorship, because the alternatives are almost universally worse. They insist that Western efforts to back democratic revolution have backfired almost everywhere, and will continue to do so.

"All attempts to export revolution end badly," says Andrei Klimov, deputy chair of the State Duma's international affairs committee.

"In Iraq, the Americans came in to eliminate fictitious weapons of mass destruction, and knocked out all the pillars of stability in that country. Look at the mess it's in today.... Libya was stable, Syria was stable, until revolutions aided and abetted by Western powers tore them apart. All this chaos is a gift to militant fundamentalists and no one else," he adds.

Russia's backing for the current French-led intervention in Mali is just a case of lining up against the common enemy, the jihadists, pro-Kremlin analysts say.

They point out that the government the West is propping up in Mali is a dictatorship, the result of a military coup last year that overthrew the democratic government on the eve of elections.

"We agree with the French about this. Maybe they're finally seeing the light," says Sergei Markov, vice president of the Plekhanov Economic University in Moscow and a frequent adviser to President Putin in the past.

"It's an attempt to stem the damage that's a result of the misguided operation in Libya. It's against the jihadists and we support it," he adds.

"When the West is helping to destroy a stable regime, and willfully opening the gates to the radical Islamists, we oppose it. . . We wish that Russia and the West could work together on this. We are willing, but we doubt the West is ready to cooperate with us," Mr. Markov says.

"Will it have to take a few more Western ambassadors being killed by the very forces they created before they will listen to us?"

1 posted on 01/26/2013 3:44:50 AM PST by cunning_fish
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To: cunning_fish

Amazing. I agree with the Russian foreign policy.


2 posted on 01/26/2013 3:48:46 AM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: cunning_fish
When the West is helping to destroy a stable regime, and willfully opening the gates to the radical Islamists, we oppose it.

Heck, Obama and his backers are trying to destroy THIS country. Because they, like the radical Islamists, would rather, and could only, rule a hell-hole.

3 posted on 01/26/2013 3:51:09 AM PST by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: cunning_fish

it will take a lot more than a bunch of dead ambassadors ~ the problem is the Present is a jihadist himself ~ and a particularly ignorant one at that.


4 posted on 01/26/2013 3:52:05 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: cunning_fish
The poisoned fruit of Obama’s war against Libya will be harvested for years to come. Obama is a master of spreading chaos and destruction. He advances Islamic terrorism. He divides and pits group against group. His standard technique is to start and enhance conflicts and then take advantage of the crisis he created.
5 posted on 01/26/2013 3:55:50 AM PST by Truth29
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To: FatherofFive

Same here. Backing the jihadis is always against America’s best interest. This policy started in Bosnia.


6 posted on 01/26/2013 4:01:30 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: freedomfiter2

To be honest it has started as early as 1971 Bengal Bay events.
Brits did it as early as 1854 (Crimean War).


7 posted on 01/26/2013 4:10:04 AM PST by cunning_fish
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To: muawiyah

No way man.
Obammy is the smartest, deepest thinker, prettiest president we’ve ever had.
Yeah, right, more like a huge boil of America’s ass/


8 posted on 01/26/2013 4:15:14 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: cunning_fish
Libya was stable, Syria was stable, until revolutions aided and abetted by Western powers tore them apart.

What Soros wants, Soros gets. Putin should talk to Beck.

9 posted on 01/26/2013 4:20:35 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: cunning_fish; FatherofFive; freedomfiter2
... many Russian analysts argue that they have been completely consistent – with the sole exception of former President Dmitry Medvedev's decision to abstain on the Libya "use of force" resolution, which was publicly slammed by then-Prime MThe Libya resolution contained promises to Russia that were never delivered. Today our abstention on that vote can be clearly seen as a mistake, a symption of Medvedev's non-professionalism," says Mr. Satanovsky.

Russia, China, and the non NATO world, have figured out that the Zer0 is a lying, double crossing dictator. It will be easy for this group to sabotage Zre0's US operations toward these Islamic Caliphate goals, and cause severe US losses in these operations.

War is coming to the ME and North Africa.

10 posted on 01/26/2013 4:25:00 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: cunning_fish

Huh! I think what Putin thinks...how scary is that?


11 posted on 01/26/2013 4:27:47 AM PST by exPBRrat
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To: cunning_fish
"The Syrian conflict has been raging for almost two years now. Upheaval in Libya, accompanied by the uncontrolled spread of weapons, contributed to the deterioration of the situation in Mali," Mr. Putin said at a meeting with new ambassadors in the Kremlin Thursday.

"Will it have to take a few more Western ambassadors being killed by the very forces they created before they will listen to us?"

Probably a lot more than that.

Carter gave us Islamic Revolution in Iran.

Obama gave us Libya, Egypt and wants to give us Syria.

Of course we have to mention that the Bushes gave use Iraq.

What is wrong with these people? Isn’t it obvious that these tribal Muslims are not ready for democracy? They really do not even have a true notion of nation so how can they have a notion of self government. Many if not most do not even believe in self government believing it to be against the law of Islam.

Why do these idiots think that it is a good idea to let these people who believe that all westerners who will not convert to Islam should be put to death should be given the right to choose their own government?

So Obama’s foreign policy is a flop and actually dangerous; who would have guessed?

12 posted on 01/26/2013 4:33:31 AM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: FatherofFive
-- Amazing. I agree with the Russian foreign policy. --

It is amazing. Obama's foreign policy is a disaster, but election of the foreign policy arm of the US government (the president) is done by imputing Congress's role (domestic policy, tax policy, etc) to the president, and arguing over which presidential candidate will have the better domestic policies. The public is dumb as a sack of marbles.

This administration's side taking when the shit hit the fan in Honduras was a clear tell of things to come.

13 posted on 01/26/2013 4:42:31 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Pontiac
these people who believe that all westerners who will not convert to Islam should be put to death

Technically, that is not correct.

Islam teaches that Christians and Jews should be subjected to rule by Muslims, but not forced to convert. They are reduced to dhimmihood, but not killed.

14 posted on 01/26/2013 4:43:24 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: cunning_fish
This was OBVIOUS long ago. The problem is the no one
in DC cares about America, only their bank accounts.

“Army Major (Hasan) Played Role in Presidential Transition
(and) served on the Homeland Security Policy Institute’s presidential transition task force”


15 posted on 01/26/2013 4:43:53 AM PST by Diogenesis (Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: Sherman Logan
Technically, that is not correct.

Yes, that is what Islam teaches but what do the people think?

Read a little about what goes on in Iran concerning the Jewish and Christian minorities.

16 posted on 01/26/2013 4:51:18 AM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: cunning_fish

Putin is dead on.

But still he supports Iran. What’s with that?


17 posted on 01/26/2013 5:08:31 AM PST by Venturer
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To: cunning_fish; FatherofFive; P.O.E.; muawiyah; Truth29; freedomfiter2

BHO2 stated in his autobiography that he was an avowed Marxist/Leninist. That means he is an atheist, and presents himself as Muslim or Chrsitan only when politically advantageous.

He has used the Muslim Brotherhood to destroy whatever emerging capital markets existed in North Africa and the Middle East. Most of the ME imports food in exchange for natural gas and petroleum; expect to see riots in Egypt as they are no longer selling natural gas to Israel, and Egypt will no have hard currency to buy food on the international marketplace.

Vladimir Putin? He is an old-line KGB, and not to be trusted. But Russia forced out Muslims from the Crimea just over a century ago, and demographics indicate they could be overhwhelmed by a growing population of Muslims. Their fear is genuine.

The Middle East is referred to by historians as “the graveyard of Empires” for a very good reason. There really are no genuine nations there except for Israel. All other ‘nations’ are basically family or clan operated criminal operations, sort of like what we see with the Mafia. The ME is a violent place where no one trusts anybody else but especially they do not trust any foreign “allies”.

The United States has followed policies that are foolish. We can’t treat the nations there as though they ARE modern nations when they are not.

What BHO2 is doing is acting as the tool for Globalists seeking a one world government. Their aim is total chaos from which they will rebuild a Global government. The banksters behind all of this make their fortunes from financing war but I have to say, it sure sounds delusional.


18 posted on 01/26/2013 5:10:46 AM PST by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: Pontiac
Read a little about what goes on in Iran concerning the Jewish and Christian minorities.

Since the mullahs have been in control of Iran for more than 30 years, it tends to disprove your claim that Muslims want to kill all non-believers, since if this were true presumably there would be no infidel minorities left alive there.

19 posted on 01/26/2013 5:22:40 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
Islam teaches that Christians and Jews should be subjected to rule by Muslims, but not forced to convert. They are reduced to dhimmihood, but not killed.

But if they don't submit willingly, they are killed.

Sura (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

20 posted on 01/26/2013 5:24:59 AM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: Venturer

>>Putin is dead on.

But still he supports Iran. What’s with that?<<

I’m not yet sure if Russian romance with Iran isn’t a choking “love” hug a bear gives to it’s prey.

I can see little to none real fruits Iran got from Russians during their cooperation.

If not for Russian “help” they could have their bomb long time ago.


21 posted on 01/26/2013 5:29:00 AM PST by cunning_fish
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To: FatherofFive

What kind of gun do all of these Jihadi’s have? Ak-47, oh I see. Where did they get all of these? Katyusha rockets? That word Katyusha, It sounds like an Eastern European word.

Putin is a creep. Nothing he says is true considering how affective he’s been at arming our enemies. He’s responsible for the deaths of many Americans and Israelis.


22 posted on 01/26/2013 5:29:10 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: FatherofFive

Like I said, they’re made into dhimmis. Second class citizens.

As with other regimes that impose second class citizen status, such as apartheid and the Jim Crow south, those who refuse to accept this status are likely to get themselves killed.


23 posted on 01/26/2013 5:31:22 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Those statements are correct but color me cynical for questioning the source’s motivation.


24 posted on 01/26/2013 5:31:51 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: demshateGod

>>>What kind of gun do all of these Jihadi’s have? Ak-47, oh I see. Where did they get all of these? Katyusha rockets? That word Katyusha, It sounds like an Eastern European word.

Putin is a creep. Nothing he says is true considering how affective he’s been at arming our enemies. He’s responsible for the deaths of many Americans and Israelis.<<<

It is all Chinese made. And mostly bought from Chicoms with American tax money.


25 posted on 01/26/2013 5:32:18 AM PST by cunning_fish
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To: exPBRrat

You think what he says. Probably not what he thinks.


26 posted on 01/26/2013 5:32:48 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Sherman Logan

There is less than 20% of the non-Muslim population remaining that was in Iran before the revolution.


27 posted on 01/26/2013 5:40:00 AM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: cunning_fish

Funny, I’m going to buy mine with tax payer money too. My tax refund is a great example of wealth redistribution since I was unemployed half the year, but got a higher tax return than I ever got.


28 posted on 01/26/2013 5:40:37 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Pontiac

True, but they have mostly left, not been killed. The same has basically happened in all other ME countries. Non-Muslim minorities are leaving, and for the first time in history the ME is becoming religiously monoglot. Except of course for the internal divisions in Islam.


29 posted on 01/26/2013 6:04:56 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
Islam teaches that Christians and Jews should be subjected to rule by Muslims, but not forced to convert. They are reduced to dhimmihood, but not killed.

Sometimes.

30 posted on 01/26/2013 6:48:22 AM PST by Yashcheritsiy (It's time to Repeal and Replace the Republican Party)
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To: FatherofFive

Vlad is right you see.

When America damned itself, with it’s anti-Colonialist President, it did so, welcoming a variety of plagues.

Obama see’s the use of foreign oil as theft of global resources.
Throwing the mideast into chaos, ensures there is nobody to do business with, while having the added benefit of scuttling the operation of the oil business there.

If he is also successful in shutting down domestic energy production, he will be well on his way to ultimate goal of destroying America.

Does anybody believe his policies are born of ignorance rather than malice?


31 posted on 01/26/2013 6:50:34 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: SatinDoll
The ME had a 'nation' ~ it was called the Ottoman Empire. It's political structure began to unravel the day King Filipe I/II of Spain had lost his last North Atlantic fleet to storms.

He resolved to preserve his honor so he founded The Catholic League, and built, borrowed and bought a Mediterranean fleet which attacked the Ottoman navy at Lepanto on october 7, 1571. He had a resounding victory and initiated a program of liberation in the Eastern Mediterranean that continues to this day.

Without Filipe it is difficult to imagine what we would face in that region.

The problem for the Arabs is that they were nothing more than folks living on a tax farm or the last 1000 year. Tribalism was what they were allowed ~ any higher aspirations would find a local noble eviscerated and hanging from a pole.

32 posted on 01/26/2013 6:55:28 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: G Larry

Obama’s policies are to have a good party at least once a month. He is a very stupid man ~ which doesn’t mean his handlers are stupid ~ but they are vicious and evil.


33 posted on 01/26/2013 6:58:30 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

You are blind.

All of his policies are meeting his objectives.
His books, his votes, his speeches, all make his goals clear.

To pawn this off as the result of “handlers”, in naive and dangerous, as it blinds you to the risk.

When he claims noble motives, he is simply lying.
He is well aware that his policies will not solve our employment and economic problems, and will only make them worse.
But he pretends in public, that this is out of “fairness”, just as all communists before him.


34 posted on 01/26/2013 7:44:22 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: FatherofFive
The potential for common ground with the Russians in confronting jihad is ignored while the regime in Washington sabotages the national interest of America. Even the Russians can see it. Dark times.
35 posted on 01/26/2013 7:52:47 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: SatinDoll

The banksters behind all of this make their fortunes from financing war but I have to say, it sure sounds delusional.

True delusion is to believe a rational world view. That’s not how societies behave.


36 posted on 01/26/2013 7:57:14 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Pontiac
What is wrong with these people?

When they get to Washington they become intoxicated with the exercise of power and think they can move the world. Just a noxious display of the megalomania which characterizes the Ruling Class.

A thousand years of history says the only way to make hay with the Arab world is to first beat them into submission then buy them off. But our latter-day einsteins all think that because they went to Harvard they can outfox the middlemen of the Casbah.

37 posted on 01/26/2013 8:02:20 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: G Larry

Sorry Lar, but the man is stupid ~


38 posted on 01/26/2013 8:39:07 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: hinckley buzzard
The Turks, who ruled the Arabs for a thousand years said the way to deal with them is to crush them into the earth and then tax them blind.

They sure never paid them off! Arabia was a Turkish tax farm.

39 posted on 01/26/2013 10:03:09 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: G Larry
Lar, I said he was stupid ~ not that he was ignorant. He's probably ignorant about a lot of things too, but you could educate this guy forever and he'd still be stupid.

He is unable to stick ideas together, or to come to conclusions other than those he's spoonfed.

Look at his appointees ~ it's a veritable zoo ~ virtually all of them were not capable of holding down regular jobs to say anything of managing government agencies. They too are so stupid they didn't even realize that we could find out what they were doing.

40 posted on 01/26/2013 10:25:38 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

What part of destroying America involves hiring competent people?


41 posted on 01/26/2013 11:37:36 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: FatherofFive

Well in many ways they know. We, otoh, hired a chechen who was probably a terrorist to do research for the federal gov.
The UK loves to give the chechen thugs sanctuary.
Russia razed Grozny and the west sent in support, only to find themselves kidnapped and beheaded by those they came to support.


42 posted on 01/26/2013 11:42:24 AM PST by MarMema
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To: G Larry

Trust me, this guy is stupid.


43 posted on 01/26/2013 12:03:49 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

The depth of your position doesn’t engender any “trust”.

So, I’ll continue to rely on my own powers of observation.


44 posted on 01/26/2013 12:11:48 PM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: G Larry

The people who imagine Obama to be smart are Democrats ~ don’t fall into that trap.


45 posted on 01/26/2013 12:15:57 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: cunning_fish
The Russians have some very good points here, but one must remember that Russia is only looking out for her own interests. Which we cannot blame her for. Sure would be nice if America did the same. Must point out though that the entire no WMD in Iraq lie was started by the Russians who spoon fed the farce into their old soviet American agents. No one with half a brain would assume any Middle Eastern country has no WMD. They all do. And they all are ready to use them. In fact, half of them already have used them. Off the top of my head: Egypt; Iran; Iraq; and Syria.

What has compounded the situation we are in, was the no WMD Lie that the Russians promoted. This has allowed Obama/Hillary to fight a covert war against two Middle Eastern countries that both possessed WMD, with absolutely no personal consequences of losing track of the WMD. And that is gonna cause blow back of the kind the world has never before seen.

46 posted on 01/26/2013 1:25:28 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: cunning_fish

Damn, once again I find myself agreeing w/ Russia AGAINST our current jihad loving admin!


47 posted on 04/20/2013 9:08:49 AM PDT by NoGrayZone (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: cunning_fish; All
B. Hussein Obama - In “Audacity of Hope,” page 261 of the paperback edition:

"I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

48 posted on 04/20/2013 5:02:33 PM PDT by QT3.14 (When you have to shoot...Shoot! Don't talk (The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly))
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