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When They Come For Your Guns, You Will Turn Them Over
The Daily Reckoning ^ | Aug 13, 2012 | Jim Karger

Posted on 01/30/2013 7:33:48 AM PST by KeyLargo

When They Come For Your Guns, You Will Turn Them Over

Posted By Jim Karger On August 13, 2012

In Featured,international living,Legislation,The Daily Reckoning

“When they come for my gun, they will have to pry it out of my cold, dead hands,” is a common refrain I often hear from the Neo-Cons when there is a threat, credible or otherwise, that the US government is going to take their firearms.

And, when I hear this crazy talk, I agree with them openly. “You are right. They will pry your gun from your cold dead hands,” which I often follow with the question, “And where will that leave you except face down in a pool of your own blood [in] the middle of the street, just another dead fool resisting the State?”

This is not a question they are comfortable with, if only because the intent of their saber-rattling was to imply they would fight to keep their weapons, and win.

Nice fantasy. It’s not happening.

If the federal government decides to disarm the public, and when the increasingly-militarized rolls down your street after a not-so-subtle request that you kindly turn over your firearms and ammunition “for the common good,” it will be nothing less than suicide by cop to do anything other than what you are told.

The militarization of US police forces is ongoing and escalating. Many cities and towns now own tanks, armed personnel carriers, even attack helicopters, and almost all are outfitted with military weapons not available to the general public.

And, it is not just your hometown cops who are getting new boy-toys. The military itself is buying up weaponry not just for use in the current or next scheduled war, but to deal with the likes of you, ..

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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
I agree with your premise about the small town compliance with weapons. This is essentially the strategy of the ATF with Ruby Ridge and Waco. We "the public" sees that they are willing to shoot mothers in the head, burn women and children alive, bulldoze evidence and not have any serious consequences except for the Oklahoma City bombing.

This just pitted the feds against the "rest of us". It's already an us vs them thing with LEO and all the alphabet agencies that are Spec Op wannabees.

The real way of fighting this is having patriots in the agencies and operator communities. There may be some fratricide and THAT will be the MOST effective deterrent. Not open fratricide but even informational fratricide ... ambush, booby traps etc.

It's gonna get ugly, but I never expected to die crapping in my pants , lying in a bed all alone while someone rolls me over and bathes me.

101 posted on 01/30/2013 9:09:24 AM PST by Dick Vomer (democrats are like flies, whatever they don't eat they sh#t on.)
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To: demshateGod

Make sure they aren’t there. Take the fight to them before they get to your house.


102 posted on 01/30/2013 9:14:13 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Uncle Sam spent lots of money training me to fight guerilla tactics. Evade and hit, rinse, repeat. Also my time as an LEO taught me their system as well.

Also target the heads of the snake, Chiefs, Captains, etc...


103 posted on 01/30/2013 9:18:04 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: Boogieman

My kids are all grown and the last two are close to being out. They were raised as strong patriots (all boys were in Corps in actual combat billets) and would be standing with me. If not I am ready as there would be nothing left to enjoy in the country anyway.


104 posted on 01/30/2013 9:20:30 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: All

Look for folks to simply hide their guns.


105 posted on 01/30/2013 9:21:06 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: KeyLargo

Step one is to make sure most of your purchases are untracable. Step 2 is once word gets out that they are doing this store almost everything (especially everything they don’t know about) off site, sans paper trail. Step 3 “sold it”, maybe turn something they know about over just to let them feel good.


106 posted on 01/30/2013 9:24:42 AM PST by discostu (I recommend a fifth of Jack and a bottle of Prozac)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Same here. I would rather die defending myself from evil than surrender my right to live to them. Most people do not truly grasp what evil men and women will do to you free of all restraints. If we lose this battle now, evil will prevail and believe me you will wish you were dead when you experience life under their boot.


107 posted on 01/30/2013 9:25:29 AM PST by formosa (consider me galt)
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To: US Navy Vet

I suggest you check your sights, the are a little low IMO, why shoot a tough to eat crow when a fat tasty turkey is a few miles away? The game ends when one side gets enough points for the other side to concede defeat. How much effort would it take to get 100 one point crows instead of one 100 point fat turkeys or fat hogs feeding at the trough?

As with all hunting preplanning is invaluable, study your target, learn what they look like, learn where they live, socialize and eat. Be able to identify those you want to hunt to eat and those not worth your time or that pose no harm, do that now before they scurry for cover. Do you want a fat turkey or a skinny crow to dine on? I imagine once open season is declared, all tyrannical prey/predators will be up for grabs with any and all available weapons, make the most of your resources.


108 posted on 01/30/2013 9:26:09 AM PST by rolling_stone
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To: KeyLargo

We’re all going to die anyway, why go out a coward Jim.


109 posted on 01/30/2013 9:27:56 AM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll eventually get what you deserve)
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To: KeyLargo

They will live with the choice of killing and enslaving me as a curse on their own shoulder, and it will be written in blood this time, not just in faggotry in Congress.

The choice of Barabas or truth and the Republic for the people, this “democracy” of the state’s own whims, will be inscribed in my blood vs. that of Obamanites’ blood, period.

Molon Labe.


110 posted on 01/30/2013 9:28:48 AM PST by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Triple

The thing is, us surviving this is not in their interest. They will confiscate and then kill us because they will want to keep the uninformed voter uninformed.


111 posted on 01/30/2013 9:30:06 AM PST by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: BO Stinkss
Hell, I’m 60 years old. I don’t want to live forever.

Hell, I'm 61 years old and never expected to live forever and never wanted to.

It may turn out "from my cold dead hands" but someone is going with me.

Molon Labe

FMCDH(BITS)

112 posted on 01/30/2013 9:32:37 AM PST by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: KeyLargo

“If the federal government decides to disarm the public, and when the increasingly-militarized rolls down your street after a not-so-subtle request that you kindly turn over your firearms and ammunition “for the common good,” it will be nothing less than suicide by cop to do anything other than what you are told. “

If they were dumb enough to do that, while they were attacking OUR families we would be attacking THEIRS. Ain’t going to happen.


113 posted on 01/30/2013 9:35:36 AM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: JudgemAll

That is why you would have to play like you are on their side - if they knock on your door - and you are there to answer.

Hey, what a fine job you are doing...how is everything...ya know I heard you guys are really making a fine impact on the community...my kids feel much safer at school...thanks for everything

There is not much middle ground -


114 posted on 01/30/2013 9:38:20 AM PST by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: Biggirl
"Yes, Mr. Government agent all of my firearms were lost in a tragic boating accident. I made a mistake and let go of all the guns to save my bride."
115 posted on 01/30/2013 9:40:06 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: nothingnew
I'm 43 and would love to live forever...

Just not as a slave. Nor do I want my children living as slaves.

And yeah, I'm willing to die to protect that freedom.

That's not Plan A, but it is being taken into account.

116 posted on 01/30/2013 9:40:43 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

And those not killed will suffer cruel and unusual punishment before they are killed.

It’s kind of like manufacturing: fix the robot if it limps because ultimately you pay both for the limping and the fixing anyways. The earlier the fixing, the better.

Liberals do not like the death penalty cynically because they have torture in mind subconsciously.

Nno omellete is done without breaking eggs on both sides, and they keep messing around with something they think they are going to get away with, they are not.

Both sides always get broken... it could be peaceful if they kept their sodomic interventionist marxist imperialistic noses out, but they will not. A smart man in power would not be invested in either way, but our leader is a racist who is mentaly ill. This disease, he spreads it around.

Liberals are like that, they want to be rich and charitable and have it both ways, but it cannot. To have charity is truly hard work and ruinous to wait 77 years to get someone turned around after many times forgiving them.

Liberals are impatient and incapable of any such thing.

It is pure hubris, this whole government charity immigration and gun safety stuff is bull crap. They wont hold water. The key is to either avoid contact with the enemy or to make its choice of Barabas and terrorists as bed bugs vs. us left alone and our people let go of.

But they are insane, they will make government and everything interventionist because they are paranoiac and incapable.

Today’s society is not different than it was in the 1800s, the same principles apply, the only difference is that many are incapable of having the fortitude required of the past, and, yet, they are the ones asking for the 16 or 1400s.

Check it out. Give it to them, GIVE THEM THE 1400s, the earlier, the better. They wont make it, and not the technology of government in the world will allow them to ever make it. This is because character is unique, depressioni is unique, even in the best circumstances, to take them appart.

Heck, from what I know of muslim marxists and their handlers, I know Obama is already set and knows his time of death and suicide. It’s already pre-planned just like planned parenthood. It’s why he is empowered to destroy America, like his buddy Adam Lanza who had been given the time and date he would commit suicide. The massacre was just an add on orgy before it, empowered in it.

This is why his antigun agenda sides with that Suicidal kid and against the children he murdered and gun safety. And they all are in the tank with him.

It is written on the wall, MOlon Labe.


117 posted on 01/30/2013 9:42:00 AM PST by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Free Vulcan

how do you account for modern issues like armed drones and anti-second police?


118 posted on 01/30/2013 9:43:16 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

.... and all liberals I know are usually fatalistic.

They all believe the world will end and everyone will die at the hands of greedy capitalist and what not...

Talk to a liberal and ultimately they will reveal their own wish of inadequacy and suicide.


119 posted on 01/30/2013 9:43:21 AM PST by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: KeyLargo

Finger off the trigger or she will risk blowing a hole in the side of the boat...

Sorry. Old habit.


120 posted on 01/30/2013 9:46:27 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Triple

You are right, some will be given outs... and they should be taken.

However, they will consider from here on out, gun confiscated or not, that every house has a gun potentialy, and the swat teams will grow in arsenal no matter what.


121 posted on 01/30/2013 9:47:42 AM PST by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Neoliberalnot

See this is what you don’t get. Once I become a outlaw livin actually gets easier. Today I am lawbiden citizen tomorrow I don’t give a damn how I come by it.


122 posted on 01/30/2013 9:51:40 AM PST by DeWalt
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To: Lou L

would the media be the first targets? if it ever really really really really went over the top to the blue helmet point of no return. Is anyone in the MSM “safe”? advertisers who support the MSM?

remember cable tv would be gone, satelite tv would be gone, all that would be left would be perhaps digital tv and regular radio. internet would be going fast.


123 posted on 01/30/2013 9:52:08 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: JudgemAll

http://westernrifleshooters.blogspot.com/2008/07/vanderboegh-handgun-against-army-ten.html


124 posted on 01/30/2013 9:54:08 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: BO Stinkss

I like the way you Bama boys think


125 posted on 01/30/2013 9:56:28 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: Resolute Conservative
Make sure they aren’t there. Take the fight to them before they get to your house.

If you're going to die, die fighting for Freedom, and take as many of them with you. It's better to die in a firefight than it is being slowly waterboarded and electrocuted in a FEMA camp.

How sad that our nation has come to this: When Liberty is openly mocked and flaunted, the Constitution spat upon and ignored, when a citizen can no longer go about his or her daily business without being in violation of some hidden, selectively prosecuted law, when the ruling elite are excused from those same laws, when hard work and virtue is punished and every expression of sloth and vice is rewarded.

When the government takes everything away, there's nothing left to lose except your honor. And if you don't have honor then you're probably better off meekly climbing into an armored DHS wagon, being driven to a collection site at the rail station where you'll be shackled into a railcar and free to enjoy your life behind razor wire.

126 posted on 01/30/2013 9:58:36 AM PST by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: Dead Corpse
"Finger off the trigger or she will risk blowing a hole in the side of the boat...

Sorry. Old habit."

I told her not to pay attention to the gun grabber politicians demonstrations, but she is still learning.

127 posted on 01/30/2013 9:59:59 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo

Watch the movie “For Greater Glory” to find out how brutal the government will become when it’s time to enforce their law that strips away a human right.

It happened in Mexico in the late 1920’s when the government outlawed church meetings and made public profession of faith illegal. The resulting resistance took 90,000 lives on both sides before an acceptable compromise was reached.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cristero_War


128 posted on 01/30/2013 10:04:56 AM PST by Rebelbase ( .223, .224, whatever it takes....)
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To: KeyLargo

Note to Karger: The postmodern liberals are the gods of “cut and run,” which they cleverly rename “redeployment.”

All it takes is a week or two of resistance, a couple of deaths for the state, and the game’s over.

But if Karger wants proof, I invite him to be in the front lines when the confiscation begins.


129 posted on 01/30/2013 10:09:19 AM PST by DPMD
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To: KeyLargo

Anyone that can fill a bikini out that nicely has potential worth exploring.

It’s almost a meme for those who hang out on gun boards. That whole “keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot” thing.

That, and people having their feet visible in shots they take of they latest project firearms. Not sure why that bothers some folks...


130 posted on 01/30/2013 10:09:36 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: KeyLargo

For that to happen a dictatorship would have to be established with full control of the armed forces. Which would mean a civil war before authorities start going door to door. In the current state of affairs, as big a socialist as Obama and his cohorts are, the authorities will not be going door to door.


131 posted on 01/30/2013 10:14:23 AM PST by driftless2
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To: KeyLargo

And if there is some kind of civil uprising, I’d be very surprised if a majority of armed forces personnel and police do not side with the constitutionalists i.e. patriots. People like Mr. Karger might have reason to leave the country or face the ahem consequences.


132 posted on 01/30/2013 10:18:42 AM PST by driftless2
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To: KeyLargo
Will I be required by law to answer the question? I didn't think so.
Good luck on confiscation.
133 posted on 01/30/2013 10:19:59 AM PST by MaxMax
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To: Lou L

It would be recorded for all to see, safe to say.


134 posted on 01/30/2013 10:27:02 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: KeyLargo

Just a few days ago there was a gun show in Albany, New York (of all places).

The state police were at the entrance to the show. In order to get in folks had to produce ID (driver’s license), which the police took and scanned, then returned to the individual. Just to get in.

Now — what are they going to do with that information that they’re collecting?


135 posted on 01/30/2013 10:28:16 AM PST by Road Glide
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To: Dead Corpse

OK. So back to reality...

136 posted on 01/30/2013 10:29:25 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
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137 posted on 01/30/2013 10:35:03 AM PST by MtnMan101
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To: Biggirl

When confiscation begins, it is time to use them. Perhaps not at the instant you are being accosted by gun grabbers, but the time to fight starts at that point.

If it’s your neighbor who’s being targeted, grab your gear and your nearby friends and counterattack from their rear.


138 posted on 01/30/2013 10:37:36 AM PST by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: ZX12R
There are about 12 million large game hunters in the United States. That means you have 12 million people with rifles that are suitable for sniping and know how to use them. If ten percent of those will stand for their rights under the 2nd amendment they will not take our weapons.

To stand and fight them at your door is the way to lose the battle as they have then defined the conditions of combat. The good guys must define the conditions not those that would disarm us.

139 posted on 01/30/2013 10:43:25 AM PST by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: driftless2

I stand corrected. Mr. Karger has already left the country. Good riddance.


140 posted on 01/30/2013 10:44:56 AM PST by driftless2
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To: apillar

“Then odds are Larry who has a wife and baby to think about is going to seriously consider looking for a safer line of work or at least ask for a transfer to the tobacco unit...”

Open a google search engine and type in “unintended” space “consequences” space “pdf”.

View. Download. Read.


141 posted on 01/30/2013 10:50:47 AM PST by Road Glide
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Then roll on to the next town. You will then find most all the guns piled in the street.

You'll find the 10% who are non-compliant laying in the long grass along the roads between those towns, picking off the convoy.

That said, there aren't as many married men as there used to be. This side effect of the socialist-welfare state might have unintended consequences for the state's enforcers.

142 posted on 01/30/2013 10:50:56 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Triple
The newest craze in remote control flying are drones.
Yes drones for entertainment.
For under a thousand dollars you can have a GPS aware, quad-copter that can lift around five pounds, complete with on board cameras, and can be flown with an Iphone,Ipad, or Tab.
They can be modified to accept an Uzi or other subMG.
Thus you can strafe them when they are down the street enslaving one of your neighbors.

They will have their own drones.
Take eight pieces of cray paper, cut into elongated diamond shapes, glue together the seams creating a hot air balloon.
Fill metal spaghetti strainer with Kingsford charcoal, use three or four devices. They will climb until the paper catches on fire, the hot coals will then spread underneath. This will not fool them but will distract them to another area as the balloon decoys simply follow the prevailing wind until they burn and dump their load.

Send up second drone and continue to strafe the anit-americans. When tank rolls in, send cheaper third drone carrying a flask of ammonia, fly directly into gun port of tank. Strafe occupants as they come out.
Commandeer tank. Take to PD. Level PD. Then run and hide.

143 posted on 01/30/2013 10:54:00 AM PST by RavenLooneyToon (Tail gunner Joe was right.)
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To: cuban leaf

Consider all electronic communications compromised as of turn of the century. All your contacts by phone, email, blogs, classified ads, E-bay and so forth are easy pickings and likely already mapped by connection. Any noteworthy organization may be compromised by plants, or disgruntled members.
However, you have but to note successful operations exist for moving illicit goods, whether through skill or compromised adversaries. Adapting a proven strategy for organization and communication would have similar success but also any weaknesses inherent.


144 posted on 01/30/2013 11:05:08 AM PST by Ozark Tom
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To: KeyLargo

Good grief. The author is delusional. Has he ever heard of the military oath of enlistment?

“I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

Notice defend the Constitution form all enemies, foreign and domestic comes before obey the orders of the President.

This was purposely written in that fashion. The folks in the military (active and retired) will be the first to tell anyone who commands them to violate the Constitution to go pound sand.

If Obama wanted to he could close all gun shops on base and post exchanges yesterday. Ask yourself why he has not done that?


145 posted on 01/30/2013 11:06:22 AM PST by CodeJockey (A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity. - Sigmund Freud)
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To: driftless2

I would like to provide some food for thought on the question of our police & military forces transformed into enforcers of the will of the State:

It is said that both the Gestapo and the East German Stasi relied on informers at the ratio of one secret police agent to every five informants. The difference was that under Nazi rule the snitches were nearly all volunteers enamored of Hitlerism, while under Communist rule the informants were unwilling but compromised citizens, informing on their neighbors in order to save their own hides.

Government snitch hotlines have been used in the U.S. previously and are likely to be used again in states like New York & Connecticut. “Call this number to report an illegal gun, and you don’t have to give your name!”

If a full blown confiscation campaign ever eventuates, the govags will encourage neighbor to spy on neighbor, both to facilitate rounding up guns, and to divide & conquer the populace (in the Third Reich it was called `the atomization of society’).

Either the snitch lines will be spammed to death (if people act to resist) or neighbors with grudges will use them for revenge.

Another perspective: in the Soviet Union under Stalin, the NKVD attempted to use “anonimkii”, which was to denounce suspected opponents of the regime, using letters mailed to police headquarters with no return address or even signature. This quickly spun out of control with thousands of anonimkii & thousands of false arrests until the NKVD ended the practice & returned to using known informants to smoke out dissidents.

Govags already know they don’t have the numbers to kick in every door in America; they will resort to force multipliers such as I have noted above.

Thoughts, anyone?


146 posted on 01/30/2013 11:07:50 AM PST by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: Nachum

I’ve told my children from the time they were little that it is better to be killed where they stand than to go with someone who tries to kidnap them. This is NO different!


147 posted on 01/30/2013 11:12:27 AM PST by Politicalmom (Liberalism. Ideas so great they have to be mandatory.-FReeper Osage Orange)
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To: longtermmemmory

Well, drones have to land sometime for one. For two, everytime we use them it’s overseas against one or two targets. Do they have enough against millions of targets? Still, yes, they are the X factor and very worrysome.

I can’t speak for all police, but ours would be outgunned quickly. Some have fancy toys, but still really aren’t that trained to use them. Most rural police aren’t going to take guns, others will die trying.

This isn’t to discount anything, but I don’t think they have a decisive advantage.


148 posted on 01/30/2013 11:17:10 AM PST by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! [You can vote Democrat when you're dead]...)
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To: DeWalt

See this is what you don’t get. Once I become a outlaw livin actually gets easier. Today I am lawbiden citizen tomorrow I don’t give a damn how I come by it.””

This is precisely one of the goals of the marxist maggot: creating another class of criminals by passing a law that will bring his enemies into line. Bo is not at war with America’s enemies, he is at war with American Patriots.


149 posted on 01/30/2013 11:19:14 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: JudgemAll

Yes, and right after they get the guns, Agenda 21 will be implemented and they will cleanse the rural areas. And frankly they don’t give a damn about who doesn’t make it to their new digs in the city.


150 posted on 01/30/2013 11:27:03 AM PST by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! [You can vote Democrat when you're dead]...)
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