Skip to comments.When They Come For Your Guns, You Will Turn Them Over
Posted on 01/30/2013 7:33:48 AM PST by KeyLargo
When They Come For Your Guns, You Will Turn Them Over
Posted By Jim Karger On August 13, 2012
In Featured,international living,Legislation,The Daily Reckoning
When they come for my gun, they will have to pry it out of my cold, dead hands, is a common refrain I often hear from the Neo-Cons when there is a threat, credible or otherwise, that the US government is going to take their firearms.
And, when I hear this crazy talk, I agree with them openly. You are right. They will pry your gun from your cold dead hands, which I often follow with the question, And where will that leave you except face down in a pool of your own blood [in] the middle of the street, just another dead fool resisting the State?
This is not a question they are comfortable with, if only because the intent of their saber-rattling was to imply they would fight to keep their weapons, and win.
Nice fantasy. Its not happening.
If the federal government decides to disarm the public, and when the increasingly-militarized rolls down your street after a not-so-subtle request that you kindly turn over your firearms and ammunition for the common good, it will be nothing less than suicide by cop to do anything other than what you are told.
The militarization of US police forces is ongoing and escalating. Many cities and towns now own tanks, armed personnel carriers, even attack helicopters, and almost all are outfitted with military weapons not available to the general public.
And, it is not just your hometown cops who are getting new boy-toys. The military itself is buying up weaponry not just for use in the current or next scheduled war, but to deal with the likes of you, ..
(Excerpt) Read more at dailyreckoning.com ...
“But what of your family? What about your friends? Would you be willing to accept the loss of their lives too for your freedom?”
You’re mistaken. If they die, it won’t be for HIS freedom, it would be for OUR freedom. Friends and family are not exempted from liberty’s occasional tax collection, unfortunately.
I second your MOLON LABE and make a motion that we assign the following keywords to this thread: molon labe, styg, cw2, and efad. All in favor? The Molon Labes have it!
What can I say? I love keywords! (But I hate tyrants!)
This ass sits in seclusison in Mexico and lectures us about American freedom, a freedom he actively sought to reject starting in 2001.
Heck, I did it and was able to stay in the US. I just moved from Seattle to rural central KY.
For many modern Americans, there is no comprehension of the meaning of the term, “Give me liberty, or give me death.”
When the left tells you they will exterminate 25 million people that cant be reeducated you better believe them.””
These soulless monsters have proven themselves fully capable and willing to use mass killings to consolidate their greed for power and property. Bo is the head snake and he hates American Patriots with a passion. Moochie has the same attitude and they now hold the power.
So, we are expected to simply answer the door for the nice JBTs? Sorry, When they come, it will not be a surprise and a great many LEOs will die. There will be a great many people who will ambush those representing "The State" and they will kill a great many such representatives before being terminated. Bank on it. Does Jim Karger think armed citizens are fools?
People that turn their guns in before they go door to door for confiscation, are deemed as reeducated.
People that turn in all their guns when they knock on their door will be deemed as reeducated.
When they come search your house to confirm you are reeducated after you tell them you have turned over all your guns, and they find a gun you didn’t turn in, it will be declared you cannot be reeducated.
Turning in your guns doesn’t stop a damn thing.
Examples will have to be made and you never know if you have been chosen to be the example.
It’s the people that turn in their guns it will start with, not the people that don’t turn in their guns.
Birth is invariably fatal . . better a gunfight than a gulag””
Agreed. Pick your targets carefully.
I need to save this on Word just to refute these loonbags, but here goes. Assuming we could get 1 million troops locked, loaded, and motivated here are the stats:
- Not prorated for population, 1 million troops equals 20K per state. My state, Iowa, has 99 counties. That’s 200 troops per county not prorated by population density or square miles. My county has 35,000 people in it and is considered very rural.
- My county has 15K households in it. Assuming those 200 troops went door to door and lost only one man per 50 doors, all those troops would be gone before they got done. Even adding all the cops in our county, there still would be none left.
- Walmart corporation employs around 1M people in the U.S. Tell me, from your perspective, how viable of a force would those employees be in your locale and region if completely locked, loaded, and trained, v. the current population of your locale/region? In my area they’d be overwhelmed.
- The Census estimates approximately 2M veterans living in the U.S. Only 9.2M are estimated to be over 65. Only 5.4M are considered peacetime only.
- Estimates are between 400-500M guns in the hands of U.S. citizens. Rounds possessed are estimated in the billions.
- Not accounted here are the millions of non-veteran hunters, and range target shooters capable of hitting targets accurately to 200 yards.
- Not accounted for are millions of police officers who are subject to state, not federal law in terms of how they are chartered and organized.
- Not accounted for are federal govt police and what their decisions may be.
- Not accounted for are the nearly 500K National Guard troops who, though technically federalized, in reality serve the governors of their respective states. The actions and decision of those governors, including any order to form and organize a militia, are not accounted for.
- Also not accounted for is the effect captured military equipment will have on any battle scenario, or the fact that there are many veterans that are familiar with this equipment. The size and terrain of the CONUS will mean that logistical supply lines will be long and vulnerable.
- All personnel and equipment have downtime, whether sleep or fueling or maintenance. Gun owners and potential opposition outnumber the theoretical million man force by several hundred to one, meaning 24 hour a day organized resistance is possible.
We know from Mogadishu and other historical conflicts that there is a point where even the best military can be simply overwhelmed. Conversely, we also know that territory can be defended with few men against many attackers. I think it can be safely said there will be no givens in any kind of gun confiscation scenario if organized resistance should arise.
Al Sharpton: People Do Not Have The Right To Unregulated Rights In This Country
January 29, 2013 By Breaking News
All the trends I see going on indicate to me that his goal is a pipe dream. And if the States and Feds did attempt to do so the consequences would be rather negative for them.
"I asked 'Well what is going to happen to those people that we can't reeducate - that are die hard capitalist?'
And the reply was that they'd have to be eliminated. And when I pursued this further they estimated they would have to eliminate 25 million people in these reeducation centers. And when I say eliminate I mean kill ... 25 million people."
It was also 25 million after a race/civil war.
those are the same questions we must all ask ourselves. I pray God give me the wisdom and courage to make the right choice.
It’s like Mel Gibson as William Wallace in “Braveheart” told the French princess: “every man dies, but not every man truly lives.” She wanted him to take a drug that would have numbed the pain, he kissed her and spit it out when she left his cell. He knew the torture & death he faced, but took it on bravely. It gets down to intensely personal decisions doesn’t it?
It’s time to start a web site calling out such.
Every NY State legislator who voted for the recent gun bill would go on it immediately, for example.
I think the authors is correct to an extent. I think there’s about a 50/50 chance it’ll break one way or the other: Either the people will capitulate or resist. If just a very small percent resist, EVERYONE will be forced to take sides. That goes for pols, police, military, and Mom and Dad. If a small amount people resist, and all of the military and police obey the tyrant’s orders, the people would still win. The Afghan cave men will have essentially beaten Russia and NATO.
The problem is that the government will do all they can to keep the battle lines from being drawn. They’ll use regulations, the IRS, the EPA, and other covert attacks to marginalize individuals. The states won’t bat an eye, Rand Paul will continue to talk his game, and no body will do anything. If the people are to win, the constitution restored, battle lines must be drawn, and we must draw them.
I can tell you one thing for certain. If they came tomorrow and knocked on my door. I hand over everything I have. I’m not about to leave my family without a husband/ father just to become one more working slob gunned down by the police. But, I would also join a resistance if it met certain criteria. Not sure I’ve defined what that criteria is but I’ll know it when I see it.
San Diego Police Chief William Lansdowne is fully supportive of the Obama/Feinstein gun grab, and says if lawmakers play it right Americans can be completely disarmed within a generation.
How would gun confiscations be reported by today's media, if at all? Would the media report "progress" being made; e.g., "10 million weapons were collected today..." or, would they completely bury it? Would the media show agents going door-to-door? Would they show skirmishes, standoffs, or escalations? What if civilians were shot, lying face-down in their own cold blood? Surely, some of those clips would make it to YouTube...or would they? How would other civilians react, seeing their fellow countrymen, shedding blood?
Rhetorical questions, all.
People simply don’t want to believe it’s possible here in the US because somehow we’re different than other countries where it’s happened.
The left is this country is no different than the left in any other country.
No matter where it is it’s all about absolute power.
They’d have to shut down facebook at the least, and probably the internet.
Attacking low-level grunts may not be the most effective way to stem this tyranny.
Wow, I would have never imagined that we would have to be discussing such scenarios living in the United States of America.
Reagan was right, we WERE only one generation away.
Ah, but we know where they live!
Ding ding ding! We have a winner.
The Left murdered 250 million during the 20th century and that isn’t including the unborn!
Fight and you may die. Run and you will live at least awhile. And dying in your bed many years from now, would you be willing to trade all the days from this day to that for one chance, just one chance, to come back here as young men and tell our enemies that they may take our lives but they will never take our freedom!
“Al Sharpton: People Do Not Have The Right To Unregulated Rights In This Country
Allow me to translate from the native Ebonic:
“The white devil crackers should not have the right to bear arms, that is reserved solely for my homies & dey gangstas in da ‘hood.”
That's what I was trying to explain to one of my friends the other day. I have guns that I inherited from my father, I have many guns I have bought and traded for with individuals and many more guns that I have legally purchased that I have sold or traded to individuals. If the government did manage to cobble togther a list of firearms I have purchased. The list would be so wrong as to be laughable, it would include many guns that I long ago traded or sold and wouldn't include many other guns that I inherited or bought from individuals. Even if the government "demanded" I tell them who I sold or traded the guns to, I might be able to remember some in the last couple years, but I'm certainly not going to remember back in the 1990's. (Even if I was inclined to tell them in the first place...)
All the local police here, the sheriff, the National Guard and state troopers are local mountain boys and they will not enforce any confiscation order- They will actually protect us here coz everybody knows everybody here and we have control of the local armories here. If the feds try to take the armories it will be another Lexington.
but I’m certainly not going to remember back in the 1990’s.
I wouln’t remember even if I DID remember. ;-)
John Mohammad and Lee Malvo paralyzed the DC area with one rifle and sniper attacks. I have to believe that an all out attack on gun owners would invite an army of snipers to prey on government officials, whether they be local or national. America was born out of a desire for freedom and I have to believe there are enough patriots left to stand and fight.
What would happen if at every gun owner’s house they confiscation police are met with the gun owners standing unarmed at their door steps with both hands in front of them plams up held togetehr saying “I will not comply with an unconsititutional order you will have to arrest me before you come inside to get my guns”
Then as you are being arrested and hauled in you talk to the law enforcement people and repeatedly plea with them that what they are doing is not only unconstitutional but against human rights. Spend all of the time in the jail pleading with the jailers to re-consider and telling them they are arresting and illegally detaining law abiding citizens.
This strategy could work, but only at the very very early stages of gun confiscation.
Or would demanding to be arrested peacefully end with a bullet to your own head????
Civil war is coming.
Intel and communication are the key to any resistance. Names and info. where they eat, where they play, what theaters, clubs, resorts and on and on. That's where the internet is going to be the key and open access to pdf files, movie and jpeg files will be of paramount importance.
As an example, what if there was a site or a file with every known name, address and information of those who are deemed the occupiers. Just a huge list 4 or 5 columns of info next to a name.
Think of what happened in Hue, Vietnam during Tet. All in one night..... from the highest to the lowest they are all complicit and equal
As for me, I will always comply, I'll always smile and gladly follow the edicts of the occupiers. I will cooperate and I advocate that everybody make that publicly known that you are obeying and compliant.
As an off topic suggestion I think I've heard these books are very interesting
Resistance to Tyranny: A Primer
The U.S. Army/Marine Corps Counterinsurgency Field Manual
Total Resistance by H. Von Dach
War of the Flea: The Classic Study of Guerrilla Warfare by Robert Taber
Psyop: Military Psychological Operations Manual -U.S. Army
Just remember that the occupiers have to eat pizza, shop at grocery stores, get gasoline for their vehicles, use plumbers and electricians, go on vacation, visit relatives, go skiing, go boating/golfing/tennis/softball, get sick and go to the doctor/dentist/veterinarian .... so life is funny. I think that life will be just grand and that everybody should make the life of the occupiers a life full of surprises and disappointments, just like our lives.
Think about this, everytime they eat at a restaurant will their food be "good". Repairs on anything , eh... Dry cleaning...ooops, food delivery.... maybe, cable television/internet ... kind of a crap shoot. Just slow things down and comply with a smile but just not quite the correct way. Think passive-aggressive and you'll survive and make their lives miserable.
Some will not.
I don't know, morale is very important in a scenario such as this. If Larry the first year ATF agent comes in to work and finds out that his buddy Curly was killed when a bunch of patriots busted into his house and shot him in his underwear and his other buddy Moe was shot and killed with several other agents who were drinking at the local bar. Then odds are Larry who has a wife and baby to think about is going to seriously consider looking for a safer line of work or at least ask for a transfer to the tobacco unit.
People will simply hide their guns until they know it will be time to use them.
The Left murdered 250 million during the 20th century and that isnt including the unborn!
There are roughly 300+ million people in the US, and we are in a new century, this does not bode well...
“I will take a couple of them with me.”
This is the point. If the ‘tyrannists’ - a brand new word coined here that I think is brilliant - the enablers of tyranny -
If the tyrannists wake up from fitful sleep, send meager food down to a stomach filled with knots, and leave their homes by kissing wives and children - perhaps for the last time - to enforce policies they are enforcing only to ensure they aren’t the ones being oppressed, then their re-experimentation with fascism will fail pretty quickly.
Like Kissinger implied, the crisis won’t be ideological. You’ll run to the bosom of the state because they will be the ONLY ones with antidotes, for example.
The ideology will come later.
The kicker here, of course, is indeed - you have to die of something. If death is preferred, then death it is.
Patton’s words, however, also ring in my head. “Nobody ever won a war by dying for their country. They won it by making the other guy die for his (profanity excluded).”
Government, by and large, is horrible at most things. They’ll be horrible at fascism too. As such, the tyrannists won’t have the manpower or equipment to do the job right, and it will end with the tyrannists turning on the tyrants.
“A lie goes halfway around the world before the truth can get its pants on.”
That used to be true. I remember when they tried to frame W with the National Guard letter they concocted in MS Word that got busted on this very forum. Took less than 8 hours.
The truth is catching up with the lies. It’s going to be an interesting collapse. If the GDP contraction was the surprise they thought it was, it will be sort of funny too.
read my post.. you are the “smart” citizen. God and Family first. good luck.
I see in my lifetime that this USA could very well break up along red/blue states.
I have never read a more explicit expression of personal cowardice than this “man” has written in my life.
If just one in ten or even one in fifteen gun owners resist, the gestapo will run out of warm bodies before they even get half way across Tennessee.
And that’s not even considering that once the ball starts rolling and the news of raids gets out, entire neighborhoods will turn out ready to meet these Naruto cosplayers in their black pajamas and face masks with real force. Doughnut munchers and steroid commandos are great against a handful of tweakers caught asleep, but against a ready, alert and determined force? No.
[ San Diego Police Chief William Lansdowne is fully supportive of the Obama/Feinstein gun grab, and says if lawmakers play it right Americans can be completely disarmed within a generation.
The problem is that they dont have a generation. The socioeconomic upheaval thats a coming is, at most, five years off, not a generation. ]
Need to start running people as county sheriffs who will pledge to both follow the Constitution and who will do the following:
1. If gun confiscation orders come down they will promptly ignore them.
2. They will arrest any and all authorities be they city, state, or federal who do any firearms confiscation.
3. If need be they will offer “Streamlied Deputization” of gun owning law abiding citizens in their county who will be immediately deputized should more force be needed to stand up to the people mentioned in step #2.
4. Before all of this goes down they will offer training classes to any of the people willing to becoem deputies so they are ready to go should the need arise.
The county Sheriffs are elected and may very well becme the defacto leaders of the so mentioned “well regulated millitias” that the left “thinks” should be the only people who should own guns.
****...it will be nothing less than suicide by cop to do anything other than what you are told. ****
I always personally felt the way to confiscate arms is to go into a small town, declare that all guns must immediately be turned in on pain of death!
Then institute a house to house search, find a gun kill the owner.
Then roll on to the next town. You will then find most all the guns piled in the street.
Wives do have a way of convincing their husbands to do it.
***Fortunately there were enough brave patriots to stand up for freedom.***
And there were enough that caved! When General Gage demanded the citizens of BOSTON turn in their firearms, THEY COMPLIED with his demand. The firearms were then seized.
These guys are frauds and this author is a dick.
“But what of your family? What about your friends? Would you be willing to accept the loss of their lives too for your freedom?”
“Greater love has no-one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends.”
“Well, you may not know this, but there’s things that gnaw on a man worse than dying.”
Charley Waite (Kevin Costner) - Open Range
That's why they won't do Ruby Ridges or Wacos this time. Prominent gun rights advocates will suddenly be arrested on "child porn" charges - eliminating any chance of public support or sympathy. Gun-owning, rural, potential dissident types will simply disappear one day on the way to the mall - or die in mysterious one-car rollover accidents. Regular gun-owners who aren't especially political will be left alone for a time, while laws to disarm them are carefully buried inside Omnibus Porkulus Maximus 2013 bills disquised as critical civil rights legislation giving gays the right to marry kangaroos. When a jury summons type letter eventually arrives in the mailbox, "inviting" regular gun-owners to bring their firearms to the local police station in exchange for $1,000 health-care vouchers, there won't be a whole lot of opposition. The few renegades can be picked up later.
There is the rub. The government can take your money with the press of a key. The only up side is money will probably worthless at that point as I see markets failing and banks closing anyway when CW2 starts.
Foo and water staples, fuel, and guns/ammo will be like gold.
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