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Raise the minimum wage - Itís overdue and makes economic sense
WaPo Opinions ^ | 2-6-2013 | Matt Miller

Posted on 02/07/2013 5:49:42 AM PST by Sir Napsalot

While Eric Cantor feebly tries to rebrand the GOP this week, and President Obama maneuvers to sidestep the sequester he signed into law in 2011, millions of America’s working poor continue to languish. The federal minimum wage has been stuck at $7.25 since 2009. ..... According to the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development, the United States is near the bottom of advanced nations when it comes to the ratio of the minimum wage to the median wage. In Australia, the minimum wage now tops $15, and unemployment is 5.4 percent.

With facts like these – and a payroll tax hike that just took $100 billion a year mostly out of the pockets of ordinary workers – you’d think Obama would be leading the charge to give low-income workers a raise. Yet after pledging in his 2008 campaign to lift the minimum to $9.50 by 2011, he’s barely uttered a peep. .......

It’s no surprise that (Ralph) Nader, 78 years old and still fighting the good fight, worked with a couple of dozen liberal Democrats in Congress last year on a bill to lift the minimum to $10. That would still be below 1968’s level, but it would represent a $5,000-plus raise for close to 30 million workers at or near the minimum today (it would also add $25 billion to gross domestic product, according to the Economic Policy Institute). That bill went nowhere without White House leadership; even a lunch-bucket Democrat like Tom Harkin refused to hold hearings on the idea.

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“Part of the answer,” says Gray Davis, the former governor of California who is thoughtful on these questions, “will be convincing people to pay a little bit more for things so that Americans can have jobs that pay a decent wage.”

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That unpopular "thoughtful" Gray Davis who got run out of CA by the residents?

Why do WaPo hire one-sided opinion writers like this?

Never mind, stupid question.

1 posted on 02/07/2013 5:49:48 AM PST by Sir Napsalot
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To: Sir Napsalot

Personally, I think they should raise the minimum waget to $100 per hour. That way everyone with a job would be “rich” and we would never have poverty again. It’s so simple, really. Only liberals get it.

Man, that would be sweeeeeeet!

;-)


2 posted on 02/07/2013 5:53:25 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Do not raise the minumum anything, by any amount. On anything.

But DO start buying American.

Buy American. Bring back US jobs now.


3 posted on 02/07/2013 5:56:36 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Sir Napsalot

“it would also add $25 billion to gross domestic product”

I guess it just comes from Scrooge McDuck’s vault, where it wasn’t being uesed before.


4 posted on 02/07/2013 5:58:15 AM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: Sir Napsalot

“Part of the answer,” says Gray Davis, the former governor of California who is thoughtful on these questions, “will be convincing people to pay a little bit more for things so that Americans can have jobs that pay a decent wage.”

...”thoughtful on these questions”?! Marxist on these questions, yes. Socialist on these questions, yes. His statement is astronomically lacking in common sense.


5 posted on 02/07/2013 5:58:54 AM PST by albie (`)
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To: cuban leaf
I think they should raise the minimum waget to $100 per hour.

Wa' sto' at $100 per awa'. Ma' babidaddy aint' gibben me 'nuff sueport munny. Howabow' $200?

6 posted on 02/07/2013 6:00:21 AM PST by laweeks
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To: Sir Napsalot
That is all small business needs, mandatory higher pay for workers along with the rest of O’s rip offs. It will raise the unemployment.
7 posted on 02/07/2013 6:00:21 AM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Sir Napsalot

I guess the answer is making people pay more for stuff they don’t need, and go into more debt doing it.


8 posted on 02/07/2013 6:02:26 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Why not lower the minimum wage back to $1, so we can buy new cars for $1500, a new home for $12,000, milk for 20 cents a quart, and gas for 27 cents a gallon again? (KIDDING!)


9 posted on 02/07/2013 6:03:27 AM PST by Bringbackthedraft (Who we elect is not as important as who they bring in with them.)
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To: Sir Napsalot
(More excerpt) There are different ways to skin this cat. In my 2003 book, “The Two Percent Solution,” I argued that the minimum reward for work in America should be $10 an hour plus health coverage. That would be $12.50 today. Whether we pick $12, $15 or some other number, the question is how best to share the cost of achieving this decent minimum among employers, taxpayers (via subsidies for low-wage work) and consumers (via slightly higher prices).

Yeah, I can NOT possibly make a decent living with less than $50 per hour. Doesn't matter if I deserve it with my knowledge/skill set or if there is a need for such things or not. Who the heck define 'decent'?

10 posted on 02/07/2013 6:04:08 AM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: lacrew

Out of thin air!

Or maybe by diluting the value of the other dollars by that amount?


11 posted on 02/07/2013 6:05:06 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: cuban leaf

Wow. Talk about flash mobs. People would be fighting to get off unemployment. Wait a minute. Congress would probably just increase the benefits to keep pace.


12 posted on 02/07/2013 6:05:46 AM PST by csmusaret (I will give Obama credit for one thing- he is living proof that familiarity breeds contempt.)
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To: cuban leaf

Yes just raise to $1000 per minute if it doesn’t negatively affect wages or employment.

While we’re at it... since debt doesn’t matter, just stop taxing.


13 posted on 02/07/2013 6:05:54 AM PST by Principled
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

>> But DO start buying American.

I did my own landscaping project, instead of hiring a less than minimum wage Mexican.

I dug the dirt and shoveled the gravel and laid the stone that most Americans won’t dig and shovel and lay.

Does that count?

The shovel was an old Craftsman but I’m pretty sure the “Husky” rake is Chinese.


14 posted on 02/07/2013 6:06:17 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Not this crap again,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUBK9_4OQIs&feature=youtube_gdata_player


15 posted on 02/07/2013 6:08:50 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: Sir Napsalot

In Australia, the minimum wage now tops $15, and unemployment is 5.4 percent.

There has to be other reasons for the low unemployment than the minimum wage.


16 posted on 02/07/2013 6:09:40 AM PST by napscoordinator (GOP Candidate 2020 - "Bloomberg 2020 - We vote for whatever crap the GOP puts in front of us.")
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To: cuban leaf

>> Personally, I think they should raise the minimum wage to $100 per hour.

I see what you’re doing there. :-)

But seriously — there IS a “minimum wage” above which it makes a LOT of sense to automate. I mean, how hard would it be to train a robot to flip burgers? Or clean a motel room?

Bye bye minimum wage job... forever.

Minorities and the poor will be hardest hit. I wonder if journalists ever consider the unintended consequences? Nah.


17 posted on 02/07/2013 6:09:51 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Sir Napsalot
“Since this vast and leaky conglomeration has failed at its intended goal,” he concludes, “perhaps we should just try raising wages instead."

The writer uses the quote, but apparently doesn't understand the implication of the word "instead".

Plus, he doesn't once address the proven positive correlation between increases in min wage and unemployment.

18 posted on 02/07/2013 6:10:14 AM PST by skeeter
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To: napscoordinator
There has to be other reasons for the low unemployment than the minimum wage.

My guess would be immigration control.

19 posted on 02/07/2013 6:11:41 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Sir Napsalot
“Part of the answer,” says Gray Davis, the former governor of California who is thoughtful on these questions, “will be convincing people to pay a little bit more for things so that Americans can have jobs that pay a decent wage.”

Liberals are so awesome, they can point out the obvious flaw in their plan, refer to it as a 'problem' to be solved, and then skip away through the flowers.. Every time you raise wages to the 'living' standard, you raise prices so it's no longer a 'living' standard. In the end, you get a whole bunch of people fired, a fair number just never even get offered a job, and a HUGE population has their standard of living reduced via inflation of prices for basic items.

How many of those who are unemployed today would be employed doing something if there were no minimum wages? Oh, and of course, liberals are working ever so hard to make illegals legal, cutting into entry level jobs (and further eroding middle class jobs) and creating a massive burden on the social services including schools.

Ahh, Grayout, you still are an utter idiot.

20 posted on 02/07/2013 6:12:21 AM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: Principled

heh...

It occurs to me that if you’re going to make a nation’s currency worth the same as Monopoly play money, you should also make it LOOK exactly like Monopoly play money.

That way, if you run out of dough you can go down to Wal-Mart and get more.


21 posted on 02/07/2013 6:13:16 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Sir Napsalot

$10 minimum wage. To compete with $11/hour Indian tech sector workers offshore.

Yeah right.

Inflation is just a game to these people.


22 posted on 02/07/2013 6:15:39 AM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Sir Napsalot
The first minimum-wage laws were lobbied for by unions to shut out blacks from federal contracts.

"The last year in which the black unemployment rate was lower than the white unemployment rate was 1930. That was also the last year in which there was no federal minimum wage law."

THOMAS SOWELL: WALTER WILLIAMS DEBUNKS POPULAR MYTHS ABOUT RACE IN AMERICA

23 posted on 02/07/2013 6:15:48 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (TYRANNY: When the people fear the politicians. LIBERTY: When the politicians fear the people.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Just yesterday I was given the option to buy an American product or buy one that wasn’t. I bought the one I liked more. There are too many hindrances for Americans to make affordable products.


24 posted on 02/07/2013 6:16:14 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Principled; Revolting cat!
New minimum wage, a trillion dollars a week.


25 posted on 02/07/2013 6:18:21 AM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Nervous Tick

Bully!

(sort of) :D


26 posted on 02/07/2013 6:21:16 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Sir Napsalot

In Australia, the minimum wage now tops $15, and unemployment is 5.4 percent

So what?
You want the kid handing you your Big Mac, getting paid $15 to do that? Screw you. I would make my own burger.........


27 posted on 02/07/2013 6:24:57 AM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the American Revolution 2013 and the Crusades 2013?)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Do these people not understand that by raising the minimum wage, in this day and age will require companies to raise EVERYBODY’S pay?

If I am an office assistant with two years experience and I started at $7.25 p/h but I now make $10 p/h (due to raises), do you think I am going to be happy with the fact that the newest idiot off the street (who I have to train, develop and assist) is making the same amount?

Don’t get me wrong. I, personally, can care less what you pay anyone else. As long as the company is paying me what I feel I am worth, they can pay the janitor a one-million a year - I DON’T CARE.

But, most people today are all about comparing their pay to others pay - not to their tasks, skills, desire, attitude, etc... JUST WAGE FOR WAGE. This would literally DEVASTATE our economy!


28 posted on 02/07/2013 6:37:02 AM PST by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: Sir Napsalot

“ratio of the minimum wage to the median wage”

Why not just lower the median wage? ;>

Also, when they compute the median wage, do they include all the zeros in that math for those on unemployment?


29 posted on 02/07/2013 6:40:42 AM PST by fruser1
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To: Nervous Tick

The concept of ANY minimum wage is fascist. I’m against it based on my core principles. You do point out one reason it’s stupid, though.


30 posted on 02/07/2013 6:40:42 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: napscoordinator

At least part of the answer may lie in what one can get with one’s Australian dollar.

The way things are going here in the States, I fear that I may one day have a six-figure income but by then I’ll be shelling out a couple grand for a gallon of milk.


31 posted on 02/07/2013 6:42:18 AM PST by ZirconEncrustedTweezers ("I'm not anti-anything, I just wanna be free." - Mike Muir)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

Yay.... but you won’t have this wonderful thing AlGore invented.


32 posted on 02/07/2013 6:43:43 AM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: cuban leaf
The concept of ANY minimum wage is fascist. I’m against it based on my core principles.

I agree 100%! How can the government tell ME, the worker, what MY time/skill is worth? How can the government tell the EMPLOYER what the time/skill of each worker is worth - to each company? There policies and wants and wishes have absolutely NOTHING to do with reality.

They never look at the downstream effects of their policies! They are too busy looking at the man-made waterfall of riches to see the creek bed is getting THIN!

The last thing I can say is their argument about minimum wage not being a "living wage" is simply ignorant! If liberals would stop telling kids that they have a right to live in a 4/2/2 home, own two Mercedes' and deserve a month of vacation the moment they graduate high school then the "living wage" expectation would be MUCH lower! And if the liberals would dissuade kids from having children before they can afford them (i.e., stop promoting sex, stop making a child NEED to make moral decisions like abortion before they are ready to fully understand such decisions, etc..), then these young ones wouldn't NEED to make $20K a year while in HIGH SCHOOL!
33 posted on 02/07/2013 7:06:48 AM PST by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: cuban leaf

Piker! Make the minimum wage $500 an hour!


34 posted on 02/07/2013 7:12:58 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (There is no requirement to show need in order to exercise your rights.)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Well, here in the People’s Democratic Socialist Republic of Illinois, the mighty Quinn has just in fact proposed that.


35 posted on 02/07/2013 7:16:18 AM PST by Marathoner (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Piker! Make the minimum wage $500 an hour!


Yep! And put a price freeze on all consumer goods! Yeah baby! :-)


36 posted on 02/07/2013 7:18:50 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Not sure but I think union contracts are based off of the minimum wage.


37 posted on 02/07/2013 7:25:33 AM PST by Rappini (Veritas vos Liberabit)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Let’s make the min and max wage $10/hour. Then we will all be equal like Obama wants. Equally poor.


38 posted on 02/07/2013 7:35:56 AM PST by BO Stinkss
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To: Sir Napsalot

there is a dirty little secret that no one bothers to tell the masses about the minimum wage...

union contracts are tied directly to the minimum wage..

when that goes up, the union’s get an automatic raise..

government workers are unionized...

get it...


39 posted on 02/07/2013 7:43:07 AM PST by joe fonebone (The clueless... they walk among us, and they vote...)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Raise the min wage 10% and the price of a loaf of bread goes up 15%.


40 posted on 02/07/2013 7:44:21 AM PST by bgill
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To: joe fonebone
BUT.

I just read from Drudge link (Washington Examiner article) that "President Obama’s executive order raising the salary of Vice President Joe Biden and other federal officials."

He can and he did the EO, so why this additional proposal for raising minimum wage, TO Spread The Wealth, I guess?

41 posted on 02/07/2013 7:55:39 AM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Sir Napsalot

We on the right often say that the left wants to bring about economic equality by dragging everyone down to poverty, but I don’t know that I’ve seen a more blatant revelation of that fact. This writer thinks it’s a *bad* thing that the United States has a low ratio (0.38) of minimum wage to median wage. In other words, it’s bad that the median U.S. wage is well above minimum. The writer sees having a high minimum-to-median ratio as a goal. The ideal, to him, would presumably be a ratio of 1.0, meaning that everyone receives minimum wage.


42 posted on 02/07/2013 7:59:52 AM PST by Sloth (Rather than a lesser Evil, I voted for Goode.)
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To: Sloth
The Left in pursuit of EQUALITY don't have the concept of bell curve.

Unless and Until it suits their argument.

43 posted on 02/07/2013 8:08:21 AM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Sir Napsalot
Raise the minimum wage - It’s overdue and makes economic sense

Overdue? Makes economic sense?? If you like living in an automated, service free society with higher unemployment, especially among the young and the unskilled, then yes, it makes sense.

Raise it and hurt the ones you think you'll help. Make them and the cost of their labor more expensive! Great plan.

44 posted on 02/07/2013 8:09:14 AM PST by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: Sir Napsalot

In Oz the minimum wage is A15/hour. Many would, OMG - cost of living in Oz must be through he roof!

Well, maybe not.

Below is a list of average costs for everyday grocery products in Australia:

loaf of bread – A$2.50 to A$3.00;
two litres of milk – A$2.20 to A$2.90;
newspaper – A$1.50 to A$3.00;
box of breakfast cereal – A$3.00 to A$4.00;
jar of instant coffee – A$3.00 to A$4.00;
bottle of soft drink – A$1.50 to A$3.00;
bottle of shampoo – A$2.50 to A$4.50;
bar of soap – A$1.50 to A$2.50;
one apple – 50 cents to 80 cents;
one banana – 60 cents to 90 cents;
beef (500 grams) – A$7.00 to A$8.00; and
chicken (600 grams) – A$7.00 to A$8.00

Ask yourself - if in OZ they pay under A3.00 for a half gallon of milk, why you paying so much more?

Current exchange rate
1 USD = 1.0166 Oz dollar.


45 posted on 02/07/2013 8:31:33 AM PST by ASOC (What are you doing now that Mexico has become OUR Chechnya?)
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To: napscoordinator
In Australia, the minimum wage now tops $15, and unemployment is 5.4 percent.

There has to be other reasons for the low unemployment than the minimum wage.

Straw man - nobody claims that there are no other reasons for unemployment than the minimum wage. But it's basic economics that demand falls with rising price.

The Joint Economic Committee found that individual studies claiming no increase in unemployment from raising the minimum wage "are directly contrary to virtually every empirical study ever done on the minimum wage. These studies were exhaustively surveyed by the Minimum Wage Study Commission, which concluded that a 10% increase in the minimum wage reduced teenage employment by 1% to 3%." (http:// www.house.gov/jec/cost-gov/regs/minimum/50years.htm)

Harvard economics professor N. Gregory Mankiw concurs, saying "most research on the minimum wage finds that it reduces employment." (http://post.economics.harvard.edu/faculty/mankiw/columns/ bglobejune01.html)

And here's a study confirming that consensus:

Neumark, David, Mark Schweitzer, and William Wascher. 2004. "Minimum Wage Effects throughout the Wage Distribution." Journal of Human Resources 39(2): 425-450.
Abstract: This paper provides evidence on a wide set of margins along which labor markets can adjust in response to increases in the minimum wage, including wages, hours, employment, and ultimately labor income. Not surprisingly, the evidence indicates that low-wage workers are most strongly affected, while higher-wage workers are little affected. Workers who initially earn near the minimum wage experience wage gains. Nevertheless, their hours and employment decline, and the combined effect of these changes on earned income suggests adverse consequences, on net, for low-wage workers.

46 posted on 02/07/2013 8:52:09 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: albie

“will be convincing people to pay a little bit more for things so that Americans can have jobs that pay a decent wage.”

Good lord. I have yet to find a lib willing to pay MORE for anything...most of the time they want it cheap and will last forever, without harming the environment and made by American workers who only work 25 hours a week.


47 posted on 02/07/2013 8:56:14 AM PST by martiangohome
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To: Sir Napsalot

Let’s make it $250,000 an hour! That way we can all be millionares.


48 posted on 02/07/2013 10:34:19 AM PST by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies; napscoordinator

Napscoordinator did not make the strawman argument.

It was the author of this article who implied a minimum wage of $15 had no consequences for umemployment rate (at 5.4) in Australia.

Because 11 nations in Europe (sorry, this passage had been deleted from earlier WaPo Opinion piece) and in this case specified, in the land of Oz had done it, US should follow the footstep in raising the minimum wage to at least $10. If it were up to the author, he said “$12, $15, or some other number”.


49 posted on 02/07/2013 10:54:54 AM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Sir Napsalot; napscoordinator
You nappers have to stick together, eh? :-D

Sorry, napscoordinator! (But remember that quotation marks are your friends.)

50 posted on 02/07/2013 11:00:43 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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