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To: Viennacon

The reason I’m still here is I want my daughter back. I want to leave, but it doesn’t look like they plan to allow me to even leave with her if I get her back. I have no idea of all my options as the lawyer I got here has said if I want to leave when I get her back, that’s a different aspect of law or something.

I just have a gut feeling if I leave and try to fight the fight against them US side I won’t ever see my daughter again. These SOBs seem like the type to instantly label me returning to the US as (not that I could right now even if I wanted to since my passport is being held for “safety” reason) abandoning my daughter.


27 posted on 02/16/2013 11:05:58 PM PST by cab1982
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To: cab1982

Go with your gut; do not leave without your daughter.

You need to go public with this. Get it on the news somehow. If you are legit and truly love your daughter, you would be screaming from the rooftops. Then again, I tend to be a Mama Grizzly if you mess with my family. Good luck.


29 posted on 02/16/2013 11:42:45 PM PST by Nita Nupress
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To: cab1982

You need to just leave that benighted country (and your lawyer is right, do NOT step foot outside the country without your daughter and wife right there beside you — it might take years to get you all together again). But you need to leave. ASAP. You are on the CS radar and they will never leave you alone now. As soon as you all three can get out, do so. Send for your stuff later. They’ll never be able to extradite you from the U.S. on such a flimsy case, but CS might manage to hold onto your daughter for a long, long time. So just concentrate on getting you and your family out and worry about your household goods later.

As for how to get out, it strikes me that the best way is to *make* the U.S. Embassy get involved, just long enough to get your passport back and then hightail it out of there. Of course the Embassy doesn’t *want* to get involved in your case: It involves actual work on their part, plus their helping you might upset some apple cart or other.

I suggest strongly that you sit down and make a list of everyone you know who might possibly know a bigwig who can intervene on your behalf with the U.S. Embassy, and get them working for you. For instance, start with your own congresscritters back home and ask what they can do for you. (Be very pleasant!! Even piteous. Pretend you voted for them, if you have to. Just try to get them to help you.) Try to think if you have any State Dept. contacts, or relatives or friends or old coworkers who might know someone. Try to think if you know anyone who knows someone who has *lots* of money (because millionaires tend to be listened to). If you think someone you know *might* know someone who could pull strings for you, call or email them and ask. Be bold! Ask everyone if they know anyone who might know someone who might know someone.

I’ve really come to realize that so much of what goes on in the world really IS a result of “who you know, not what you know.” So get on the stick and pursue every single possibility of someone who can lean on the Embassy and get them to help you. Because I’ll bet they could do a lot if they simply would.

I hope this helps. Best of luck!!! Let us know how it goes.


30 posted on 02/16/2013 11:55:58 PM PST by Hetty_Fauxvert (FUBO, and the useful idiots you rode in on!)
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To: cab1982

My advice? Do not leave your daughter. Family is #1. Stay and fight. The only way you have a chance is to get good legal help and prepare for the long fight. Keeping your family together is worth it. If you’re lucky enough to come out of this with your daughter and wife, leave the UK as soon as possible. Once the bureaucrats have you in their sights, they’ll never relent unless forced, and frankly, you just don’t have a lot of power in this kind of battle. They know it, and that’s part of why they’re so arrogant. They hold nearly all the cards.

I know other posters here say the US is just as bad, but I suspect you’re much less likely to catch the attention of Child Protective Services in the US. As bad as the US is in some ways, we aren’t even close to the UK, yet. They’re well on the way to 1984. We’re just getting started.


40 posted on 02/17/2013 2:39:23 AM PST by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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