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How Will They Confiscate Your Guns?
Keep And Bear Arms ^ | July 21, 2000 | John A. Sutter

Posted on 03/11/2013 4:50:11 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

For decades I have heard gun owners claim that the government would never be able to confiscate our firearms because the government would lose too many men. The implication being, of course, that gun owners would actively resist confiscation, even to the point of shooting back. But I believe this thinking is outdated and doesn’t align very well with reality. But before you tell me how big your honor guard in Hell will be when that day comes, let’s think about how the government could really do it.

Suppose, for the sake of argument, the government bans all civilian possession of firearms at the end of this month. Congress passes a total ban and the President cuts his own re-election throat by signing it. Gun owners get some grace period to turn them in, even beyond the deadline, without being charged with a crime. If we use Australia and Britain as examples there will still be a significant number of firearms that are not turned in. Some estimates put the Australian turn-in at less than 25% and the British faired only about 28%. But Australians and the British have long been used to obeying almost every gun control law. Not so the Americans. When laws are passed that we don’t like, we bite. We scratch. We vote. So here we sit after the guns have been collected and the amnesties have run out. Now what? Send out the personnel carriers, swat and shock troops to seize the guns from those militia “terrorists” who refused to turn them in? Don’t be silly.

The government has lots of records about you. If you purchased a firearm since 1968, chances are that they have some record of it somewhere....

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1 posted on 03/11/2013 4:50:11 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
They're gonna want to bring a lunch. This might take a while.

And body bags.

/johnny

2 posted on 03/11/2013 4:53:50 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yes. Get a suitable sized piece of oil-resistant PVC pipe. Put a couple of your pieces in it for ‘long term storage’. Fill it with clean motor oil taking care to make sure that all of the air is removed. Seal it.

Then geo-cache it somewhere that only you or your family will ever find it.

(-:


3 posted on 03/11/2013 4:55:03 PM PDT by MeganC (The left have so twisted public perceptions that the truth now appears pornographic.- SpaceBar)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Suppose, for the sake of argument, the government bans all civilian possession of firearms at the end of this month. Congress passes a total ban and the President cuts his own re-election throat by signing it.

Dude...

Wait...

What?

4 posted on 03/11/2013 4:56:12 PM PDT by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
How Will They Confiscate Your Guns?

Quite simple. They won't.

5 posted on 03/11/2013 4:56:45 PM PDT by MountainDad (Support your local Militia)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
As I said months ago liberals always use the courts and the liberal judges they've installed. Here's how it will go:

1. The Attorney General of NY will receive a 'tip' that a person has an 'illegal' firearm.

2. He will then seek a warrant based on the tip to search the persons home and businesses.

3. They will confiscate the firearm.

4. The Attorney General will file charges against the ONE individual and a COMPLIANT press will destroy the person. He'll be charged with weapons offenses with a possible sentence of 10-20 years.

5. He will stand trial. He will be found guilty. Even if the jury acquits him the liberal judge will over turn the verdict.

6. He will be sentenced to 10 years in jail.

7. They will then issue a warning that EACH and every 'illegal' gun owner will suffer the same fate.

8. End of story. The guns will come flooding in.

9. Liberals win without ever firing a shot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

6 posted on 03/11/2013 4:59:01 PM PDT by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What guns? I turned all of mine in for a couple of Big Mac gift certificates. No questions were asked.


7 posted on 03/11/2013 4:59:44 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Progressive, Marxist liberals do not evolve, they morph into fascists.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
For a historical reference, see Battle of the Teutoburg Forest, and the quote "Quintilius Varus, give me back my legions!" Augustus was really upset. ;)

/johnny

8 posted on 03/11/2013 5:01:02 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
If you purchased a firearm since 1968, chances are that they have some record of it somewhere....

Not one of my 20+ arsenal has paper on it. Millions upon millions of guns out there have no paper on them linking to the current owner.

9 posted on 03/11/2013 5:01:13 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How Will They Confiscate Your Guns?

....if their smart, through osmosis


10 posted on 03/11/2013 5:04:07 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Freakin Muslims in the desert still aren’t beaten and how many armies tried to take them down? Do you really think that the resistance will wear red and stand in straight lines to defend? Once it begins a lot of people on both sides of the issue will die. The demographics are in the resistances favor and a lot of armory keys will be handed over freely to increase the resistance firepower.
If they are smart, they will continue to cleanse the country till all these gun grabbing a-holes are turned into fertilizer.While they are at it they should sanitize the cities of all the vermin that have turned this country into a golden teat for 47%.
Sounds like a plot for a great flick. Will make Red Dawn look like the Mickey Mouse Club.


11 posted on 03/11/2013 5:04:17 PM PDT by Renegade
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To: Doc Savage

“3. They will confiscate the firearm.”

In one out of 5 cases there will be a dead LEO... JMHO


12 posted on 03/11/2013 5:04:33 PM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Empty and hot.


13 posted on 03/11/2013 5:06:27 PM PDT by Above My Pay Grade
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Aside from the fact that this article is either out of date or just slightly off, it doesn’t make sense. Let’s go straight to the endgame. The assumption is that the BATF is going to search and confiscate guns while you’re not home. That’s idiotic.

1) Any assumption that that many people in the BATF and IRS are going to collude and undermine the Constitutional rights of Americans is incorrect. Many would openly resist. Many would resist covertly (notifying the owners).

2) Unless the government controls ALL information (an impossibility) then it would be common knowledge that you get searched when you are at your IRS appointment. All it takes is one person to stay home and fight for their weapons (unless you also believe they will be using IR to determine if anybody is home).

3) People don’t live alone and if they do they have friends. Again, all it takes is a few tyrant stooges to get shot and it all falls apart.

4) This couldn’t be done stealthily. Who’s to stop neighbors from taking out the confiscators?

In short, this would never happen.


14 posted on 03/11/2013 5:07:57 PM PDT by flintsilver7 (Honest reporting hasn't caught on in the United States.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
We are facing pure evil.

They will raid your home while you are out, not while you are ready and armed at home. They will shoot to kill from several hundred yards, not charge with pistols and no body armor. They will blockade your home, cut off your power and water, and starve you out. They will burn you out with incendiary tear gas. We are talking about Obama, Pelosi, and the rest of the far left - we are talking about power-hungry, amoral socialists. They will follow the same strategies that the national socialist and soviet socialists followed, the strategies from Ruby Ridge and Waco, except that they will have learned to be even more ruthless while using even more effective propaganda to pretend that they are doing this for our own good and not to enslave us.

It will get ugly, and many decent people will die. The alternative though is to live as slaves and condemn our children to slavery. I will not allow my children to becomes slaves to Pelosi's followers. The trick is to keep the initiative and not wait for today's Brown-shirts to come for us.

15 posted on 03/11/2013 5:08:14 PM PDT by Pollster1
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s simple. In those states with registration, or a new fed registration law, the gov’t knows who has how many guns.

Don’t turn them in? The state invalidates your drivers license and any other state issued licenses (contractor’s, etc.). Revoke our vehicle registration. Confiscate tax refunds, cut off state assistance.

In short, they can nearly destroy you. It is at this point, folks might use the guns they cling to.


16 posted on 03/11/2013 5:09:52 PM PDT by umgud
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It’ll take more time for them to attempt to “clean up” their data. Say, about two years, maybe three.

With estimates of 450+ million firearms owned by some number of Americans north of 100 million I think that is highly optimistic to think they could compile all of that date in three years. More like three decades. Millions of guns never had paper on them from day one. Most of those 4473s are still sitting in gun shops and sporting goods stores. There are already rumblings of of having 4473 burnings nationwide if they keep pushing.

17 posted on 03/11/2013 5:09:54 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Easy. Break into your home when you are at work or away on holiday. Then rip our every board until they find them.

Works for finding hidden guns and children...


18 posted on 03/11/2013 5:11:37 PM PDT by Wanderer99
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To: Old Sarge
it's from 2000...
19 posted on 03/11/2013 5:14:40 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Doc Savage
Doc Savage said: "9. Liberals win without ever firing a shot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "

So you don't think even a handful of gun owners will go Dorner on the authorities? Or a dozen? A dozen dozen?

20 posted on 03/11/2013 5:15:26 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: Doc Savage

#5 can’t happen


21 posted on 03/11/2013 5:15:51 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: All
The next thing you’ll get from the government is an official looking notice that they think you still have a firearm. Their information will probably include all the information from registration forms, right down to the serial number. That notice will tell you that you’re in violation of the law, subject to prosecution and imprisonment. It will give you some period of time to surrender the gun. It will also give you a very limited number of days to return the form with an explanation of why you don’t have the gun, any proof you have,...

What proof do I need? I tell them I sold them all years ago when it was legal to sell privately with no forms or checks. I don't think many judges will issue warrants based on "we think he's lying." It would only take a few cases of warrants issued, nothing found to slap the judges signing them in the face real hard. How hard would it be to sucker them into searching some homes with no guns in them?

22 posted on 03/11/2013 5:16:32 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: Pollster1
Aren't you just a little ray of sunshine?

Get real. Lots of criminals have weapons that are illegal for them to have in places where guns are banned. Cops aren't doing your scenario on them.

Because it's dangerous for the cops.

/johnny

23 posted on 03/11/2013 5:16:49 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I can see this happening, if we didn’t have a Second Amendment and many people willing to fight confiscation laws, and every step leading up to it, in the courts.


24 posted on 03/11/2013 5:18:13 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (There is no requirement to show need in order to exercise your rights.)
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To: MountainDad

The author is from California; probably a liberal pretending to be conservative so he could post on the pro-gun website to push fear mongering and anti-gun propaganda


25 posted on 03/11/2013 5:21:13 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: MeganC
Get a suitable sized piece of oil-resistant PVC pipe. Put a couple of your pieces in it for ‘long term storage’.

If it is the time to bury it, more than likely it is the time to use it...

26 posted on 03/11/2013 5:21:24 PM PDT by Gritty (Necessity is the plea for every infringement of freedom; it is the argument of tyrants-PM Wm Pitt)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
How Will They Confiscate Your Guns?

From my dead cold hands

MOLON LABE.

27 posted on 03/11/2013 5:21:54 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Pollster1

If there isn’t a revolution BEFORE that point then any idiot who hasn’t fled the country with his family will deserve that fate.


28 posted on 03/11/2013 5:22:14 PM PDT by Wanderer99
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Here’s one way they confiscate: by having registration and background checks in place and a complicit media who prints the names of gun owners, it just became counterproductive to own registered guns.


29 posted on 03/11/2013 5:23:22 PM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Pollster1

I’m not sure if “deserve” is too strong a word but they would still be mighty stupid to stay.


30 posted on 03/11/2013 5:23:26 PM PDT by Wanderer99
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To: Old Sarge
p.s.

31 posted on 03/11/2013 5:26:10 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Doc Savage

Nothing will go through Congress or the White House. Instead all these totalitarian regulatory agencies will fire up and make rules and come for guns.


32 posted on 03/11/2013 5:28:47 PM PDT by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: babygene

Don’t assume LEOs will confiscate your guns without compunction. Many LEOs will probably be on your side and refuse to confiscate them. In fact they may turn on their masters...: )


33 posted on 03/11/2013 5:28:52 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Gritty

And use it against those who passed the laws and those who declared them constitutional.


35 posted on 03/11/2013 5:33:33 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (There is no requirement to show need in order to exercise your rights.)
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To: Wanderer99
Easy. Break into your home when you are at work or away on holiday. Then rip our every board until they find them.

Oops! They were all at a friend's house. Now I sue them into oblivion for property damage, emotional trauma and file against the judge for issuing a warrant without good cause. Rinse and repeat X100.

36 posted on 03/11/2013 5:34:21 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: TigersEye

Not one of mine has paper on it,not even my ammo!


37 posted on 03/11/2013 5:34:46 PM PDT by heshtesh (I believe in Sarah Palin, the rest not so much.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Taking property from citizens who have done no wrong would make the Constitution null and void. It would break the covenant of "governing by the consent of the governed". At that point, all bets are off. Its one thing to have federal authorities go after a "lone wolf" like Randy Weaver, its quite something else to set up raids on (potentially) millions of homes across the nation. Even the stupid, f'ing ACLU would have real fits over that, although at present they won't admit it.

Some will comply, and others will resist through civil disobedience; I think more than a few will resist by other means - and that could get messy. The big question is what will the bulk of law enforcement and the military do?

The US SC has pretty well defined the 2nd and applied it to the states through the 14th Amendment. There are more than a few courts that would issue injunctions against confiscation.

Total gun confiscation in the US will not be attempted - at least by anyone who is sane.

38 posted on 03/11/2013 5:35:48 PM PDT by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I got it:

We nibble our pop tarts in the shape of a gun! This will scare the heck out of them.


39 posted on 03/11/2013 5:38:25 PM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Sometimes it takes calamity to lead to serenity - FReeper RacerX1128)
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To: Above My Pay Grade

And THAT is why I love this place.


40 posted on 03/11/2013 5:38:36 PM PDT by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Yes, and now after Heller and McDonald, we have a hell of a lot more legal ammunition then we had back in 1994.
41 posted on 03/11/2013 5:39:56 PM PDT by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: heshtesh

No, none of my ammo does either. Nor do any of the components for every cartridge I need that I stocked up on. Almost no one I know owns guns with paper on them. Mostly because they don’t buy new. Since the ‘90s because they saw which way the wind is blowing.


42 posted on 03/11/2013 5:43:10 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: flintsilver7

A local police officer/friend just called me a half hour ago and asked if I was intrested in 6 tins 50 rnds. .223 for 30.00 each, told him to bring them over.:)


43 posted on 03/11/2013 5:44:52 PM PDT by heshtesh (I believe in Sarah Palin, the rest not so much.)
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To: 45Auto
“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”

― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

44 posted on 03/11/2013 5:45:49 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: umgud

How would the “state” possibly know if I dad any guns? which of course I don’t...

Even if I did when I was a younger man, that doesn’t mean that I do now.


45 posted on 03/11/2013 5:46:44 PM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: heshtesh

You oughta have a nice hot dinner waiting for that guy! ;-)


46 posted on 03/11/2013 5:48:38 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’ think there is going to be any widespread confiscation of firearms. We keep engaging in this “Unintended Consequences” fantasy because we wish the liberals would allows us to literally destroy them.

Instead they are going to stick to what has been working and continue the propaganda. They are going to continue to suspend the kiddies for even thinking about guns. Holder let the cat out of the bag some time ago when he stated that people need to be brain washed about guns in the same way people were brainwashed about tobacco.

That’s is why simply buying guns and ammo isn’t enough to stop these tyrants. If that is all we do then one day we will all be sitting on a pile of guns and ammo with no freedom.


47 posted on 03/11/2013 5:50:22 PM PDT by Ajnin (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnocet!)
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To: Pollster1

Every LEO needs to rest their head on a pillow each night.....as do their families. If they want war, they had better prepare for it because it will not be pretty.


48 posted on 03/11/2013 5:51:10 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: flintsilver7
Thinking back to Waco and what FedGov did to the Branch Davidians, I was at a big gun show in Vegas after this act of government terrorism had occurred. There was a lot of talk at the time of how to respond if the feds decided to replicate this raid. The opinion was that the feds had better have a perimeter defense that looked outwards (to their backs) besides looking forward towards their intended victims. In short there were a lot of people who decided that the best way to handle the federal trash was start picking them off as targets of opportunity. Whether it was coming, going, changing shifts, or whatever, these guys were wearing bull's eyes. If the dopes doing the dirty deeds started assuming room temperature, they tend to get unhappy with their task. This is especially true when your enemies aren't just in front of you, but all around you. It sure sucks to be General Custer at Little Big Horn, doesn't it, boys? Not going home to momma or collecting that fat government pension — it sucks, dude.
49 posted on 03/11/2013 5:52:40 PM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: 45Auto
Total gun confiscation in the US will not be attempted - at least by anyone who is sane.

See, there's your problem. They aren't merely insane. They are also evil. Monstrously so. There will be only one way to stop them.

50 posted on 03/11/2013 5:53:26 PM PDT by Noumenon (One individual with courage, determination and a rifle can change the course of history.)
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