Skip to comments.How Will They Confiscate Your Guns?
Posted on 03/11/2013 4:50:11 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
For decades I have heard gun owners claim that the government would never be able to confiscate our firearms because the government would lose too many men. The implication being, of course, that gun owners would actively resist confiscation, even to the point of shooting back. But I believe this thinking is outdated and doesnt align very well with reality. But before you tell me how big your honor guard in Hell will be when that day comes, lets think about how the government could really do it.
Suppose, for the sake of argument, the government bans all civilian possession of firearms at the end of this month. Congress passes a total ban and the President cuts his own re-election throat by signing it. Gun owners get some grace period to turn them in, even beyond the deadline, without being charged with a crime. If we use Australia and Britain as examples there will still be a significant number of firearms that are not turned in. Some estimates put the Australian turn-in at less than 25% and the British faired only about 28%. But Australians and the British have long been used to obeying almost every gun control law. Not so the Americans. When laws are passed that we dont like, we bite. We scratch. We vote. So here we sit after the guns have been collected and the amnesties have run out. Now what? Send out the personnel carriers, swat and shock troops to seize the guns from those militia terrorists who refused to turn them in? Dont be silly.
The government has lots of records about you. If you purchased a firearm since 1968, chances are that they have some record of it somewhere....
(Excerpt) Read more at keepandbeararms.com ...
The flip side of your scenario is that one innocent citizen, perhaps even a child, is killed by the storm troopers of the BATF&EIEIO. The backlash would turn the confiscators into trophies in open season. Even the vast majority of libs would tell them to stand down but at that point you wouldn’t find anyone to be on the gun grab team. I have yet to find anyone in any uniform say they would confiscate the first one. Not happening. The last figure I heard was 65 million sold since Nov. 2008. The paperwork on just those would deforest the country.
The key thing is gun registration. After government officials create a new list, or if they can accurately compile a list from existing information, they will send out annoying, but seemingly innocuous notices. Governments will exact compliance by revoking “privileges” such as drivers licenses, professional and business licenses, permits etc, etc. essentially depriving most the ability to earn a living. Operating a business, car, truck or whatever w/o a license or permit will expose the violator to fines, investigations, and prosecutions.
These types of prosecutions would be most effectively conducted at the state and municipal level. That’s why we need to especially focus resistance at the state and local level.
How has it been working?
The Dem/libs have been engaging in a steady push to infringe on our right to keep and bear arms for decades. And this is how it has been working out for them in the last two decades...
And in the last two months... (Dec. 2012 and Jan. 2013)
Sparklers are illegal in NY State but gasoline ain`t.
Ill tell anyone what will happen, all across America there will be staged supposed holdouts, intel will be leaked about hardliners and some massive cache of arms and ammo.
The collection agencies will roll out in force and from every single direction of the compass will be snipers, underground tunnels with sappers, tank traps, IEDs, flamethrowers, fuel air explosives, you name it and the people will build it, it will be a slaughterhouse. Think of Waco but with all the resources of Afghan vets at work. And most of America.
The scales of supremacy is NO LONGER on the Federal side, and if they don’t know that then just what can you say?
There's a storm coming...
I'd encourage the author of this piece of crap to try knocking on my door and taking my guns. G'ahead ... make my day.
Many states already have registration. Here in CA all sales (save some curio long guns) have to be thru a dealer. If you're buying a handgun, it will be registered. As of Jan 2014, all long guns will be registered too. I have handguns that aren't registered as I bought them before the registration law.
I’ve thought about how they would go about it, and that is the scenerio I envision.
So when they do show up, I’m going to tell them that just yesterday I gave them to that nice man with a badge that told me he was from the sherriffs office to collect my guns. I handed them over and signed a piece of paper, which he promised to copy and mail back to me as proof.
That ought to keep them busy for a couple of days.
Well, there is this funny thing called the Second Amendment, it is found in this moldy old document called "The Constitution" I believe. You think ObamaCare had challenges?
You ain't seen nothing yet.
And just where are they going to get these people to come and take you guns?
We have a tradition of shooting at people who come to take our stuff. If every fifth person that they march up to and try to take their guns gets just one po-lice officer then they are going to run out of bodies very fast.
Lots of Sheriffs have already said that the feds can go pee up a rope. So are they going to call out the national guard? That would require the governors to get involved.
on craigslist rant n rave section the sheriff here is asking people to turn in anyone who they believe has an illegal firearm. i was speechless to see ad after ad asking citizens to turn over their neighbors for various infractios. in some cases they are offering rewards. and this is a conservative county.
I suspect that Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and many city police chiefs are far more worried about free Americans (like you, but in liberal states and cities) than they are about real criminals. They will come for us if we give them the chance, if we don't stop them at the ballot box or otherwise first. As for real criminals, they will still get a free pass if they fit the liberal demographic.
We also have a hell of a lot of money behind us, since we know "you get all the justice you can afford." Any attempt to confiscate Constitutionally-protected arms will lead to big changes in the political landscape.
I saw an interesting t-shirt the other day:
“When all else fails, vote from the rooftops”
See post #44.
“When all else fails, vote from the rooftops”
I like that...
Nope. They don’t win this one. They might could have done that 20 years ago, the people pretty much did as the media wanted. Our biggest weapon has been the internet, and if they tried to silence it now, they would be eaten by their own.
LOL There are so many ways to deal with it you couldn’t count them. Has anybody tried crunching the numbers on the costs of confiscating guns from 110 million gun owners? Minimum 9 man team for each house call. I don’t have the data to plug into the calculation but I don’t think I need it to to see the astronomical heights that budget would reach.
The most important thing is to get organized. Be able to assure that "they" don't go home at the end of the shift. Or if they do, there's an ambush waiting for them. Likewise the politicians who ultimately give the orders.
Americans tend to tell you where you can go and how you can get there.
That tactic is ripe for a setup. Think IEH. Improvised explosive house. Not that I recommend that.
A few vacated houses turned into IED’s will fix that.
GREAT ideas! You guys are giving me hope ;P
>>fled the country<<
Huh? Are you kidding? This is our country and worth fighting for.
Same here, they won’t.
They can forget that nonsense, this is still Texas.
There are lots of ways to resist that don’t involve direct confrontation and violence. The Canadians destroyed their gun registration system by feeding it junk and running up the cost by geometric proportions. Think of the current budget “talks.” Now think of forcing the gun grabbers to go to Congress and ask for $300 billion dollars to fund the program. Picture poll numbers tanking. :-)
Entire states will refuse confiscation. The lines are already drawn.
Surely they know they cannot pull this off.
But I guess they don’t comprehend yet. They are dumb enough to think that ObozoCare will still work. (It was never intended to work, only destroy the medical system and our nation’s financial system.) Commies are like that.
Maybe you will run to a foreign land....but I won’t and neither will my family...
This country is worth fighting and dying for...
Who are they going to get to enforce this? The local LEO’s? The Sheriffs of the five surrounding counties were I live have all publically vowed not to enforce and federal gun sanctions....
Will the feds get a few citizens in the beginning? Yep, that would be true....
The overwhelming violent response would be unparralelled....
Here’s a more realistic scenario....
The feds arrest some poor citizen after finding weapons in his house....He is their example case for the show trial....
The day of the trial, several hundred protestors show up with the explicit intent to free him in the name of justice...
All hell breaks loose with a couple of hundred dead or wounded on both sides....
People across the nation are shocked and outraged at the federal government gross actions....Federal buildings would burn nationwide while local LEO’s sit on their hands.....
Congressmen and Senators go into hiding, impeach the President and rescind the oppressive laws.....
Obama at best, has limited and very tenuous control, he would never politically survive.....
“...many decent people will die.”
Therein begins the start of the reverse cleansing.
“What will the LEOs do when they get a call about men with guns...at a Rat’s place”
Hahaha, good point. There fixed it.
Pennsylvania has a million deer hunters with scoped high powered rifles(more than 1 each) and that is an army in itself.
a) One bullet at a time
b) Over their dead bodies
c) There will be blood
d) What guns?
e) All of the above
IMO that's the thing that's going to bring this Beer Summit Putsch to a grinding halt. Gun control will be the icing on their coffin but about a year from now, when the economy is well and truly effed and doctors offices are closing so fast the shutting doors cause hurricane force winds, people won't be thinking about gun control or "fiscal cliffs."
They will be sizing up lamp posts though. I recommend standing back and letting the low info voters and Holder's people have their way with TPTB.
Hypothetically speaking only; one good shot each, lose the rifle, go home and wait until it’s over.
wiki sucks as a source, but it says that
There are 51 million total guns in texas & Texas population 24 million
There is no way for the folks at Wiki to know, there are a lot of guns with no papers going back to statehood.
My best guess it 2.5-3 guns per every man woman and child in Texas.
But think about their estimate (I think it is low), 51,000,000 guns in civilian hands in Texas. That should sober outsiders.
A lot of the guns here are not AR’s. Many are big bore hunkers.
I recently started reloading for one of our old guns. A model 71 Winchester 348. Had a hard time finding brass but was able to buy some and some Hornady Leverevolution 200 gr. FTX bullets. They have a new rubber tip that makes them safe to shoot in a tubular feed gun. The bullet looks like the typical spitzer design. Can be loaded for over 2500 fps. Very good ballistics. Range? hee hee hee Would amaze you.
The Judge would need to work out of a bunker.
I GET A HORSE.
The state revokes my vehicle registration?
I HAVE A HORSE - VEHICLE IN STORAGE.
Confiscate my tax return?
AM SELF SUFFICIENT - DON'T PAY TAXES EXCEPT PROPERTY TAXES.
State cuts off state assistance?
WHAT'S THAT! NEVER HEARD OF IT.
Actually they don’t even have to go that far.
For what use is a (then-illegal) gun if you use it to defend yourself and thereby open yourself up to felony charges and lawsuits. Yes, it still is preferable to watching your wife and daughter getting raped in a home invasion, of course, but short of that, it’s useless to you. You can’t show it to anyone, cannot buy ammo, cannot take it to the range...and heaven forbid the police find it, maybe during an unrelated break-in or fire investigation.
a reasonable prediction
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