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How Will They Confiscate Your Guns?
Keep And Bear Arms ^ | July 21, 2000 | John A. Sutter

Posted on 03/11/2013 4:50:11 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

For decades I have heard gun owners claim that the government would never be able to confiscate our firearms because the government would lose too many men. The implication being, of course, that gun owners would actively resist confiscation, even to the point of shooting back. But I believe this thinking is outdated and doesn’t align very well with reality. But before you tell me how big your honor guard in Hell will be when that day comes, let’s think about how the government could really do it.

Suppose, for the sake of argument, the government bans all civilian possession of firearms at the end of this month. Congress passes a total ban and the President cuts his own re-election throat by signing it. Gun owners get some grace period to turn them in, even beyond the deadline, without being charged with a crime. If we use Australia and Britain as examples there will still be a significant number of firearms that are not turned in. Some estimates put the Australian turn-in at less than 25% and the British faired only about 28%. But Australians and the British have long been used to obeying almost every gun control law. Not so the Americans. When laws are passed that we don’t like, we bite. We scratch. We vote. So here we sit after the guns have been collected and the amnesties have run out. Now what? Send out the personnel carriers, swat and shock troops to seize the guns from those militia “terrorists” who refused to turn them in? Don’t be silly.

The government has lots of records about you. If you purchased a firearm since 1968, chances are that they have some record of it somewhere....

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To: Doc Savage

The flip side of your scenario is that one innocent citizen, perhaps even a child, is killed by the storm troopers of the BATF&EIEIO. The backlash would turn the confiscators into trophies in open season. Even the vast majority of libs would tell them to stand down but at that point you wouldn’t find anyone to be on the gun grab team. I have yet to find anyone in any uniform say they would confiscate the first one. Not happening. The last figure I heard was 65 million sold since Nov. 2008. The paperwork on just those would deforest the country.


51 posted on 03/11/2013 5:53:50 PM PDT by EandH Dad (sleeping giants wake up REALLY grumpy)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The key thing is gun registration. After government officials create a new list, or if they can accurately compile a list from existing information, they will send out annoying, but seemingly innocuous notices. Governments will exact compliance by revoking “privileges” such as drivers licenses, professional and business licenses, permits etc, etc. essentially depriving most the ability to earn a living. Operating a business, car, truck or whatever w/o a license or permit will expose the violator to fines, investigations, and prosecutions.
These types of prosecutions would be most effectively conducted at the state and municipal level. That’s why we need to especially focus resistance at the state and local level.


52 posted on 03/11/2013 5:54:35 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est.)
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To: Ajnin
Instead they are going to stick to what has been working...

How has it been working?

The Dem/libs have been engaging in a steady push to infringe on our right to keep and bear arms for decades. And this is how it has been working out for them in the last two decades...

And in the last two months... (Dec. 2012 and Jan. 2013)


53 posted on 03/11/2013 5:54:39 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sparklers are illegal in NY State but gasoline ain`t.


54 posted on 03/11/2013 5:56:10 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Marchione.)
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To: 45Auto
Obongo and his ilk are NOT sane. They intend to provoke a civil war so he can unleash DHS and the other FedGov thugs to murder Americans. To answer Claire Wolfe's question, it is too late. Votes will be done by other means.
55 posted on 03/11/2013 5:58:12 PM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Ill tell anyone what will happen, all across America there will be staged supposed holdouts, intel will be leaked about hardliners and some massive cache of arms and ammo.

The collection agencies will roll out in force and from every single direction of the compass will be snipers, underground tunnels with sappers, tank traps, IEDs, flamethrowers, fuel air explosives, you name it and the people will build it, it will be a slaughterhouse. Think of Waco but with all the resources of Afghan vets at work. And most of America.

The scales of supremacy is NO LONGER on the Federal side, and if they don’t know that then just what can you say?


56 posted on 03/11/2013 5:58:22 PM PDT by Eye of Unk
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
My fellow Freepers: Be careful how you answer this thread so as to not give out too much info, especially about yourself. Call me paranoid, but you aren't paranoid if they REALLY ARE out to get you...!

There's a storm coming...

57 posted on 03/11/2013 5:59:03 PM PDT by Dubh_Ghlase (Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls, It tolls for thee.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
But I believe this thinking is outdated and doesn’t align very well with reality.

I'd encourage the author of this piece of crap to try knocking on my door and taking my guns. G'ahead ... make my day.

58 posted on 03/11/2013 6:01:01 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Doc Savage

Sure


59 posted on 03/11/2013 6:01:11 PM PDT by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.u)
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To: babygene
How would the “state” possibly know if I dad any guns? which of course I don’t...

Many states already have registration. Here in CA all sales (save some curio long guns) have to be thru a dealer. If you're buying a handgun, it will be registered. As of Jan 2014, all long guns will be registered too. I have handguns that aren't registered as I bought them before the registration law.

60 posted on 03/11/2013 6:02:42 PM PDT by umgud
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To: TigersEye

I’ve thought about how they would go about it, and that is the scenerio I envision.

So when they do show up, I’m going to tell them that just yesterday I gave them to that nice man with a badge that told me he was from the sherriffs office to collect my guns. I handed them over and signed a piece of paper, which he promised to copy and mail back to me as proof.

That ought to keep them busy for a couple of days.


61 posted on 03/11/2013 6:03:41 PM PDT by kevslisababy
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To: JRandomFreeper

dittos bump


62 posted on 03/11/2013 6:05:31 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (Idiocracy used to just be a Movie... Live every day as your last...one day you will be right)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Congress passes a total ban and the President cuts his own re-election throat by signing it. Gun owners get some grace period to turn them in, even beyond the deadline, without being charged with a crime.

Well, there is this funny thing called the Second Amendment, it is found in this moldy old document called "The Constitution" I believe. You think ObamaCare had challenges?

You ain't seen nothing yet.

And just where are they going to get these people to come and take you guns?

We have a tradition of shooting at people who come to take our stuff. If every fifth person that they march up to and try to take their guns gets just one po-lice officer then they are going to run out of bodies very fast.

Lots of Sheriffs have already said that the feds can go pee up a rope. So are they going to call out the national guard? That would require the governors to get involved.

63 posted on 03/11/2013 6:07:11 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Promotional Fee Paid for by "Ouchies" The Sharp, Prickly Toy You Bathe With!)
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To: grumpygresh
Well, then the persecutors of the people will have to receive justice meted out by their peers. This will not be a good thing to be a city or county or federal bureaucrat.
64 posted on 03/11/2013 6:07:17 PM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: grumpygresh

on craigslist rant n rave section the sheriff here is asking people to turn in anyone who they believe has an illegal firearm. i was speechless to see ad after ad asking citizens to turn over their neighbors for various infractios. in some cases they are offering rewards. and this is a conservative county.


65 posted on 03/11/2013 6:07:45 PM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Get real. Lots of criminals have weapons that are illegal for them to have in places where guns are banned. Cops aren't doing your scenario on them. Because it's dangerous for the cops.

I suspect that Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and many city police chiefs are far more worried about free Americans (like you, but in liberal states and cities) than they are about real criminals. They will come for us if we give them the chance, if we don't stop them at the ballot box or otherwise first. As for real criminals, they will still get a free pass if they fit the liberal demographic.

66 posted on 03/11/2013 6:08:11 PM PDT by Pollster1
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To: Noumenon
I hope we can use all legal means before using the "one way"; The idiots who make the laws care about one thing - getting re-elected so they can continue to make a lot of money through influence pedaling. There are some truly evil and insane a-holes in public office, and the RAT party (but not exclusively) does seem pretty evil, but until they break the Constitutional covenant, that document is a powerful club with which to smack them down.

We also have a hell of a lot of money behind us, since we know "you get all the justice you can afford." Any attempt to confiscate Constitutionally-protected arms will lead to big changes in the political landscape.

67 posted on 03/11/2013 6:08:19 PM PDT by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I saw an interesting t-shirt the other day:

“When all else fails, vote from the rooftops”


68 posted on 03/11/2013 6:09:17 PM PDT by joshua c (Please dont feed the liberals)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

See post #44.


69 posted on 03/11/2013 6:11:33 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: joshua c

““When all else fails, vote from the rooftops””

I like that...


70 posted on 03/11/2013 6:13:34 PM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: Doc Savage

Nope. They don’t win this one. They might could have done that 20 years ago, the people pretty much did as the media wanted. Our biggest weapon has been the internet, and if they tried to silence it now, they would be eaten by their own.


71 posted on 03/11/2013 6:13:55 PM PDT by Quickgun (I got here kicking,screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I can go out that way if I have to)
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To: kevslisababy

LOL There are so many ways to deal with it you couldn’t count them. Has anybody tried crunching the numbers on the costs of confiscating guns from 110 million gun owners? Minimum 9 man team for each house call. I don’t have the data to plug into the calculation but I don’t think I need it to to see the astronomical heights that budget would reach.


72 posted on 03/11/2013 6:14:48 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Regardless of just what the Feds might do, just remember that the local, state and Federal governments have lots of ways of putting pressure on you without sending the jackbooted thugs to your door. Start listing all the forms and permits you need to keep your job. Start listing all the benefits you, your parents, your children, etc. get from various levels of government. You'll see where the pressure will come from.

The most important thing is to get organized. Be able to assure that "they" don't go home at the end of the shift. Or if they do, there's an ambush waiting for them. Likewise the politicians who ultimately give the orders.

73 posted on 03/11/2013 6:15:42 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney ( New book: RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY. Buy from Amazon.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Guns...what guns?


74 posted on 03/11/2013 6:15:52 PM PDT by servantboy777
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The Russians were used to following orders. Even senseless orders.

Americans tend to tell you where you can go and how you can get there.

75 posted on 03/11/2013 6:18:19 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Promotional Fee Paid for by "Ouchies" The Sharp, Prickly Toy You Bathe With!)
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To: Donnafrflorida

That tactic is ripe for a setup. Think IEH. Improvised explosive house. Not that I recommend that.


76 posted on 03/11/2013 6:18:33 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: Wanderer99

A few vacated houses turned into IED’s will fix that.


77 posted on 03/11/2013 6:18:47 PM PDT by Quickgun (I got here kicking,screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I can go out that way if I have to)
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To: TigersEye; Quickgun

GREAT ideas! You guys are giving me hope ;P


78 posted on 03/11/2013 6:19:58 PM PDT by Wanderer99
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To: Dubh_Ghlase
My fellow Freepers: Be careful how you answer this thread so as to not give out too much info, especially about yourself. Call me paranoid, but you aren't paranoid if they REALLY ARE out to get you...! There's a storm coming..

According to Maxine Waters, Obama already has a massive database full of citizen information.
79 posted on 03/11/2013 6:21:59 PM PDT by Wanderer99
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To: Wanderer99

>>fled the country<<

Huh? Are you kidding? This is our country and worth fighting for.


80 posted on 03/11/2013 6:22:45 PM PDT by servantboy777
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To: MountainDad

BUMP!

Same here, they won’t.

They can forget that nonsense, this is still Texas.


81 posted on 03/11/2013 6:23:07 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: joshua c

82 posted on 03/11/2013 6:25:17 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: Wanderer99

There are lots of ways to resist that don’t involve direct confrontation and violence. The Canadians destroyed their gun registration system by feeding it junk and running up the cost by geometric proportions. Think of the current budget “talks.” Now think of forcing the gun grabbers to go to Congress and ask for $300 billion dollars to fund the program. Picture poll numbers tanking. :-)


83 posted on 03/11/2013 6:25:52 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: Old Sarge
The article was probably originally from the 1990’s based on the earliest posting date I could find.
84 posted on 03/11/2013 6:27:37 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: Renegade

Entire states will refuse confiscation. The lines are already drawn.

Surely they know they cannot pull this off.

But I guess they don’t comprehend yet. They are dumb enough to think that ObozoCare will still work. (It was never intended to work, only destroy the medical system and our nation’s financial system.) Commies are like that.


85 posted on 03/11/2013 6:28:48 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Ajnin
Tobacco, unlike firearms, aren’t a means to an end or a gaurantor of other rights, and many gun-owners and non-gun-owners intuit that. That’s the difference, IMO.
86 posted on 03/11/2013 6:30:33 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: Wanderer99

Maybe you will run to a foreign land....but I won’t and neither will my family...

This country is worth fighting and dying for...

Who are they going to get to enforce this? The local LEO’s? The Sheriffs of the five surrounding counties were I live have all publically vowed not to enforce and federal gun sanctions....

Will the feds get a few citizens in the beginning? Yep, that would be true....

The overwhelming violent response would be unparralelled....

Here’s a more realistic scenario....

The feds arrest some poor citizen after finding weapons in his house....He is their example case for the show trial....

The day of the trial, several hundred protestors show up with the explicit intent to free him in the name of justice...

All hell breaks loose with a couple of hundred dead or wounded on both sides....

People across the nation are shocked and outraged at the federal government gross actions....Federal buildings would burn nationwide while local LEO’s sit on their hands.....

Congressmen and Senators go into hiding, impeach the President and rescind the oppressive laws.....

Obama at best, has limited and very tenuous control, he would never politically survive.....


87 posted on 03/11/2013 6:30:45 PM PDT by nevergore ("It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.")
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To: Pollster1

“...many decent people will die.”

Therein begins the start of the reverse cleansing.


88 posted on 03/11/2013 6:31:29 PM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: joshua c

“What will the LEOs do when they get a call about men with guns...at a Rat’s place”

Hahaha, good point. There fixed it.


89 posted on 03/11/2013 6:36:00 PM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: Texas Fossil

Pennsylvania has a million deer hunters with scoped high powered rifles(more than 1 each) and that is an army in itself.


90 posted on 03/11/2013 6:38:01 PM PDT by Renegade
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How?

a) One bullet at a time
b) Over their dead bodies
c) There will be blood
d) What guns?
e) All of the above


91 posted on 03/11/2013 6:39:16 PM PDT by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie.)
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To: Texas Fossil
They are dumb enough to think that ObozoCare will still work. (It was never intended to work, only destroy the medical system and our nation’s financial system.) Commies are like that.

IMO that's the thing that's going to bring this Beer Summit Putsch to a grinding halt. Gun control will be the icing on their coffin but about a year from now, when the economy is well and truly effed and doctors offices are closing so fast the shutting doors cause hurricane force winds, people won't be thinking about gun control or "fiscal cliffs."

They will be sizing up lamp posts though. I recommend standing back and letting the low info voters and Holder's people have their way with TPTB.

92 posted on 03/11/2013 6:41:13 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: Renegade

Hypothetically speaking only; one good shot each, lose the rifle, go home and wait until it’s over.


93 posted on 03/11/2013 6:45:36 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: Renegade

wiki sucks as a source, but it says that

There are 51 million total guns in texas & Texas population 24 million

There is no way for the folks at Wiki to know, there are a lot of guns with no papers going back to statehood.

My best guess it 2.5-3 guns per every man woman and child in Texas.

But think about their estimate (I think it is low), 51,000,000 guns in civilian hands in Texas. That should sober outsiders.

A lot of the guns here are not AR’s. Many are big bore hunkers.

I recently started reloading for one of our old guns. A model 71 Winchester 348. Had a hard time finding brass but was able to buy some and some Hornady Leverevolution 200 gr. FTX bullets. They have a new rubber tip that makes them safe to shoot in a tubular feed gun. The bullet looks like the typical spitzer design. Can be loaded for over 2500 fps. Very good ballistics. Range? hee hee hee Would amaze you.


94 posted on 03/11/2013 6:56:31 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The liberal socialist with support from RINO’s will pass what they will refer to as a “compromise gun control bill” that will have in the legislation for a National Firearm Registry Data Base (NFRDB). Once that is in place, then anytime any American is charged, ticketed, or complaints filed against him or her, the incident report will be placed in he NCIC and LEIN, the Federal Government being notified, the ATFE will then run the Americans name and SSN through the NFRDB to find any firearms they may possess and where they are located. The ATFE will then send out a SWAT Team to confiscate those firearms, irregardless of how the case comes out, the federal government will get to decide who is “mentally” competent to possess a firearm and no matter how many civil actions are filed, the American will not receive their firearms back. This is called “confiscation” of all firearms in the United States through attrition. While this may take several years, it will insure the federal government is well funded to reach this goal and provides a job for many years to come.
95 posted on 03/11/2013 6:57:30 PM PDT by PotatoChop (Respect is earned, not demanded by this out of control socialist government!)
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To: Doc Savage

The Judge would need to work out of a bunker.


96 posted on 03/11/2013 6:57:30 PM PDT by laplata
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To: joshua c

Good points!


97 posted on 03/11/2013 6:57:30 PM PDT by laplata
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To: umgud
The state invalidates my drivers license?

I GET A HORSE.

The state revokes my vehicle registration?

I HAVE A HORSE - VEHICLE IN STORAGE.

Confiscate my tax return?

AM SELF SUFFICIENT - DON'T PAY TAXES EXCEPT PROPERTY TAXES.

State cuts off state assistance?

WHAT'S THAT! NEVER HEARD OF IT.

98 posted on 03/11/2013 7:01:00 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Actually they don’t even have to go that far.

For what use is a (then-illegal) gun if you use it to defend yourself and thereby open yourself up to felony charges and lawsuits. Yes, it still is preferable to watching your wife and daughter getting raped in a home invasion, of course, but short of that, it’s useless to you. You can’t show it to anyone, cannot buy ammo, cannot take it to the range...and heaven forbid the police find it, maybe during an unrelated break-in or fire investigation.


99 posted on 03/11/2013 7:01:00 PM PDT by BobL (Look up "CSCOPE" if you want to see something really scary)
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To: TigersEye

a reasonable prediction


100 posted on 03/11/2013 7:03:07 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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