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Inconceivable! Home raided over innocent Facebook photo of child’s rifle
BizPacReview.com ^ | March 20, 2013 | Michael Dorstewitz

Posted on 03/20/2013 5:54:04 AM PDT by T.O.K.

An innocent photograph posted on Facebook of a beaming, spectacled boy proudly displaying a birthday present from his father prompted a police raid befitting an al-Qaida terrorist.

New Jersey resident Shawn Moore, a National Rifle Association firearms instructor, range safety officer and New Jersey hunter education instructor, gave his son a .22-caliber rifle for his 11th birthday.

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This scares the hell out of me! I hope this attracts massive outrage! Little by little. . . bit by bit.
1 posted on 03/20/2013 5:54:04 AM PDT by T.O.K.
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To: T.O.K.

THIS is something the NRA should get involved in.
File suit. Discover who ordered the investigation and raid.

Attach their house, cars, retirement accounts to the civil suit.

Get them under oath and force them to admit that it wasn’t law, but their own prejudices that caused them to order the investigation.


2 posted on 03/20/2013 5:56:40 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: T.O.K.

It should scare the hell of whoever ordered this raid.

Find out, and and make them worry.

A lot.


3 posted on 03/20/2013 5:57:15 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Da Coyote

Ah... make up some flyers with their pictures on them...

“THIS person ordered a raid on THIS family’s house”


4 posted on 03/20/2013 5:58:27 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: T.O.K.

5 posted on 03/20/2013 6:00:11 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: T.O.K.

The story is bad, but is “raid” really the word to use here?

The cops showed up with the DFS lady and they tried to get the guy to open his safe. They had no warrant and really no PC, but they went ahead and showed up and tried to gain access to the home and safe, and failed. Good on the father for standing up, getting his lawyer on the phone and standing firm.

I don’t see “raid” as the word to use, but they father should definitely make a fuss.


6 posted on 03/20/2013 6:00:31 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: T.O.K.
This scares the hell out of me!

...then THEY'VE succeeded, make a call to your local Rep and scare the hell out of THEM!

7 posted on 03/20/2013 6:03:41 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: T.O.K.

What town was this in? I saw the FOX Show and they never clarified it.


8 posted on 03/20/2013 6:05:54 AM PDT by ZULU (See: http://gatesofvienna.net/)
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To: T.O.K.

Three ways to take over a nation:

1. Take control of the media. DONE

2. Flood the country with money. DONE

3. Remove all firearms from the populace. WORKING ON IT


9 posted on 03/20/2013 6:07:25 AM PDT by kitkat (STORM THE HEAVENS WITH PRAYERS FOR OUR COUNTRY)
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To: T.O.K.

another account....

http://fundamentalrefounding.ning.com/forum/topics/dad-this-picture-of-my-son-holding-a-gun-triggered-a-visit-from-n?xg_source=activity


10 posted on 03/20/2013 6:11:10 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: T.O.K.

The KKK was shut down as an organization by such a huge award in a suit brought by the Southern Poverty Law Center that it lost its property. This same tactic should be used by the NRA to go after the agencies and personnel responsible for this outrage.


11 posted on 03/20/2013 6:14:52 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: T.O.K.
New Jersey resident...

That's about as far as I got. No need for me to read further.

12 posted on 03/20/2013 6:17:01 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: T.O.K.
OPSEC. Don't post anything on the web that you don't want everyone in the whole world knowing about. Information about guns, ammo and prepping are especially dangerous in these Stasi-ridden times. If you are wise, as far as the web is concerned you will own no guns and no ammo and think preppers are dangerous crazies. Learn to think like the French Resistance. They didn't have merry discussions about their weapon caches in street cafes. If they met in public they talked about women and the weather, and if a curious stranger got too close they would offer him a fag and pretend to be friendly.

It sucks, but it is the way it is.

13 posted on 03/20/2013 6:18:22 AM PDT by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: T.O.K.

There was no raid. They knocked on the door and demanded to see the guns. The homeowner was on the speakerphone with his attorney who said they would need a warrant. They never saw the guns.

Not that this does not really pi$$ me off, but this was not what most people would see as a “raid”.


14 posted on 03/20/2013 6:20:14 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carneys_Point_Township,_New_Jersey

Government[edit] Local governmentCarneys Point Township is governed under the Township form of government with a five-member Township Committee. The Township Committee is elected directly by the voters in partisan elections to serve three-year terms of office on a staggered basis, with one or two seats coming up for election each year.[3] At an annual reorganization meeting, the Township Committee selects one of its members to serve as Mayor and another as Deputy Mayor.

As of 2013[update], members of the Carneys Point Township Committee are Mayor G. Richard Gatanis (D, 2015), Deputy Mayor Charles Newton (D, 2014), Ken Brown (D, 2014), Kenneth Dennis (R, 2013) and Wayne Pelura (R, 2013).[4][38][39]

[edit] Federal, state and county representationCarneys Point Township is located in the 2nd Congressional District[40] and is part of New Jersey's 3rd state legislative district.[10][41][42]

New Jersey's Second Congressional District is represented by Frank LoBiondo (R, Ventnor City).[43] New Jersey is represented in the United States Senate by Frank Lautenberg (D, Cliffside Park) and Bob Menendez (D, Hoboken).

The 3rd legislative district of the New Jersey Legislature is represented in the State Senate by Stephen M. Sweeney (D, West Deptford Township) and in the General Assembly by John J. Burzichelli (D, Paulsboro) and Celeste Riley (D, Bridgeton).[44] The Governor of New Jersey is Chris Christie (R, Mendham Township).[45] The Lieutenant Governor of New Jersey is Kim Guadagno (R, Monmouth Beach).[46]

Salem County is governed by a seven-member Board of Chosen Freeholders who are elected at-large to serve three-year terms of office on a staggered basis, with either two or three seats coming up for election each year. At an annual reorganization meeting held in the beginning of January, the board selects a Director and a Deputy Director from among its members. As of 2013[update], Salem County's Freeholders (with party, residence, term-end year and committee chairmanship listed in parentheses) are Director Julie A. Acton (R, Pennsville Township, 2013; Administration), Deputy Director Ben Laury (R, Elmer, 2015; Public Works) Bruce L. Bobbitt (D, Pilesgrove Township, 2014; Health), Dale A. Cross (R, Pennsville Township, 2014; Public Safety), Beth E. Timberman (D, Woodstown, 2015; Social Services), Robert J. Vanderslice (R, Pennsville, 2014; Public Services) Lee R. Ware (D, Elsinboro Township); Transportation, Agriculture & Cultural Affairs).[47] Constitutional officers elected on a countywide basis are County Clerk Gilda T. Gill (2014),[48] Sheriff Charles M. Miller (2015)[49] and Surrogate Nicki A. Burke (2015).[50][51]

15 posted on 03/20/2013 6:22:43 AM PDT by ZULU (See: http://gatesofvienna.net/)
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To: jboot
I'm a free man. I won't skulk about and live like a coward.

/johnny

16 posted on 03/20/2013 6:22:56 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: T.O.K.

Doesn’t government have anything more useful to do with its time and money? Maybe it’s time to take away some of the money.


17 posted on 03/20/2013 6:24:19 AM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: MrB; T.O.K.
File suit. Discover who ordered the investigation and raid.

You haven’t got a chance unless you make it to the USSC.

This raid was initiated by a child abuse report. Laws protect the anonymity of anyone reporting child abuse.

It is unconstitutional but you have to get to the USSC to win.

18 posted on 03/20/2013 6:25:14 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: MrB

I totally agree. I really hope there is a suit filed. Checking on a child’s welfare with no proof of wrongdoing? My question is, did they have to let the police in the home at all without a warrant?


19 posted on 03/20/2013 6:25:51 AM PDT by T.O.K.
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To: SJSAMPLE

They don’t have to take your guns: They just have to take your child. 80% of the people will willingly give up their firearms and practically thank you for it to get their kids back.

A long time ago, in another life, I did some wrap-around services contract work for GA’s Dept. of Family and Child Services.

You may not have had the chance to witness the kind of reckless power they can wield, but the cops bringing them in is the biggest threat that they were trying to send to the father - and to any parent out there.

They can go to a sympathetic judge and get this kid taken from the home with very little evidence that the child is in immediate danger. Then, they simply make one of the stipulations for getting the child back the surrender of all firearms.

I’ve seen that stipulation in case plans.

A parent will do it. It’s either that or fight it and then your kid could be in state guardianship for years.

I’ve also seen parents forced to undergo psych. evals. as a regular part of most case plans. They’ll use that against you as well.

99% of the time Wives will divorce a man who even hesitates to do it right off of the bat. A woman sticking it out for years just to maintain her 2A rights is unheard of.


20 posted on 03/20/2013 6:25:54 AM PDT by Noamie
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To: jboot

“... if a curious stranger got too close they would offer him a fag and pretend to be friendly.”

What if one does not have a member of ‘Queer Nation’ available? What should then be offered to the StasiPerson?

;-)


21 posted on 03/20/2013 6:27:13 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."..)
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To: T.O.K.
Inconceivable!

I think that word means what you think it means!

22 posted on 03/20/2013 6:30:23 AM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree (July 4, 1776: Declaration of Independence. Nov 6, 2012: Declaration of Dependence. R.I.P. America.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Amen, brother.


23 posted on 03/20/2013 6:33:46 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: Pontiac

Oh, the reporting entity isn’t who I’m interested in.

It’s the person in the seat of authority ordering the investigation that needs to get chastised.

In a sane world, they would have received the report, looked at the “evidence” and said there’s no reason, based on this photo, to take any action whatsoever.


24 posted on 03/20/2013 6:35:25 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: JRandomFreeper

A coward is a man who never acts. A rash man acts before he is ready, or when he has no hope of success. A wise man carefully prepares and plans and acts when his enemy is complacent and inattentive. I suggest that you read your Machiavelli and Sun Tzu. But if you still think you are a free man you haven’t been paying attention.


25 posted on 03/20/2013 6:35:49 AM PDT by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: T.O.K.

That word you use... I do not think it means what you think it means.


26 posted on 03/20/2013 6:36:32 AM PDT by Fido969
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To: GladesGuru

LOL!!! I knew someone was going to rag on me about that! :-)


27 posted on 03/20/2013 6:36:51 AM PDT by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: T.O.K.

This scares the hell out of me! I hope this attracts massive outrage! Little by little. . . bit by bit.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I’ve seen 8 or 10 different threads on FR alone about this. Its in the blogosphere. But thats about it.


28 posted on 03/20/2013 6:41:31 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: MrB
In a sane world, they would have received the report, looked at the “evidence” and said there’s no reason, based on this photo, to take any action whatsoever.

We don’t live in a sane world.

The law requires that every report of child abuse be investigated.

It is reasonable to bring the police considering that it there were firearms on the premises. It was not reasonable to try and force the issue of seeing the firearms.

29 posted on 03/20/2013 6:45:43 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: jboot
But if you still think you are a free man you haven’t been paying attention.

Speak for yourself. I live as a free man and anyone that doesn't like it can pound sand or kill me.

/johnny

30 posted on 03/20/2013 6:48:31 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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It’s only “inconceivable” if you haven’t been paying the slightest shred of attention to what’s been happening to peaceful gun owners in states like New Jersey and New York.

(I used to say “law-abiding” in addition to “peaceful,” but given the laws these days, that’s no longer a term of approbation.)


31 posted on 03/20/2013 6:49:25 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: T.O.K.
Little by little. . . bit by bit.

Reminded me of the Garden Song. I rewrote the lyrics.

0bama’s Communist Garden song

Inch by inch, row by row
Gonna make dictatorship grow
Cut their liberties deep and low
Gonna make it Communist ground

Inch by inch, row by row
Please bless these seeds I sow
So the people really don’t know
‘till the Constitution comes tumbling down

Pulling freedom and trampling rights
The people won’t even put up a fight
The media fools will say its right
Cause the transformation is close at hand

Grab their guns, take their wealth and brains
Throw their religion down the drain
‘till their bodies no longer strain
Against the new Communist command

32 posted on 03/20/2013 6:49:56 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: Pontiac
The law requires that every report of child abuse be investigated.

"Child abuse?" What "child abuse?" There was no "child abuse" reported, and a report of something that is not "child abuse" is not required to be investigated.

33 posted on 03/20/2013 6:50:41 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: T.O.K.

I especially liked how that social services (and, if there were ever a bogus profession, that’s it) refused to give her name.


34 posted on 03/20/2013 6:54:17 AM PDT by LouAvul
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To: T.O.K.

They need to find the busybody who “SWATted” them.
The cops were not checking Facebook on their own. This sort of thing is DANGEROUS.


35 posted on 03/20/2013 7:03:40 AM PDT by Little Ray (Waiting for the return of the Gods of the Copybook Headings.)
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To: T.O.K.

Is this not simply another version of “swatting”?


36 posted on 03/20/2013 7:16:11 AM PDT by Excellence (9/11 was an act of faith.)
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To: Little Ray

GMTA
: )


37 posted on 03/20/2013 7:17:41 AM PDT by Excellence (9/11 was an act of faith.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

That is fine for you and I wouldn’t think of trying to talk you out of it, but many of us have families to consider. Liberating our country is not going to happen overnight. We need to have a long-haul mentality. OPSEC is essential if we plan to succeed.


38 posted on 03/20/2013 7:20:22 AM PDT by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: T.O.K.

From the article “While everyone was gathered in his home, Moore asked the New Jersey caseworker for her name. She wouldn’t give it to him.”

Never let anyone, who is working in an official capacity, into your home without them prodcuing photo ID from their office/department. They are not who they say they are until this is provided. These people do not like to provide ID they love to work under a cloak of anonimity.

Mel


39 posted on 03/20/2013 7:42:52 AM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong....)
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To: cuban leaf

By the time the father returned to his home, the “authorities” were in his home pressing to search.

He refused the search, as you should have.

Use of the word “raid” is out of place, a raid is pre-planned and they have a warrant.

This incident was clearly not-pre-planned and didn’t have a warrant.

All they had was a social worker with the vapors. . .and I BET, SHE IS ANOTHER ONE OF HOLDER’S/OBAMA’S PEOPLE.


40 posted on 03/20/2013 7:47:10 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Pontiac

The photo of a smiling boy, holding his legally-owned weapon, hardly indicates any kind of abuse. The photo alone should have made that clear. ... In a sane world.


41 posted on 03/20/2013 7:51:06 AM PDT by cld51860 (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: T.O.K.

Fox is on this now.


42 posted on 03/20/2013 7:56:01 AM PDT by EDINVA
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To: txrefugee

Can’t, local, state and federal employees are exempt from lawsuits unless they agree to be sued....

That almost never happens....


43 posted on 03/20/2013 7:56:50 AM PDT by nevergore ("It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.")
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To: jboot
I am in a situation where my kids are grown and gone, and I've at least met the grandkids (and even like a couple of them), and I live alone. So I can and will insist on living free.

I don't think acting cowardly in the face of the opposition is 'strategic'. I think it's just cowardly. Security in exchange for freedom isn't worth it.

/johnny

44 posted on 03/20/2013 7:58:29 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: jboot
OPSEC. Don't post anything on the web that you don't want everyone in the whole world knowing about.

When my wife's small business was audited by our good friends at the IRS last year, the auditor admitted that one of the things that prmopted the audit was the difference between the income the business reported and our perceived lifestyle as determined by his looking at our Facebook pictures.

Just FYI...

45 posted on 03/20/2013 8:07:02 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: T.O.K.

Is this a country we want to live in? Fascist jackbooted thugs threatening to put you in jail and kidnap your kids? is this the USA we knew?
For cripes sake, I held a gun many times when I was that age. Also a member of the NRA at 15.


46 posted on 03/20/2013 8:08:29 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Pi$$ed off yet?)
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To: T.O.K.

The real story here is not the Police, but rather DHR. What is more scary? Police asking to see your guns, or some bureaucrat with the power to take your kids? Don’t piss off the DHR lady!

I have a good friend whose wife died. Great father. Home looked kinda rough but his kids were well fed, loved and did well in school. Some busy body who I guess thought a single dad couldn’t take care of kids called DHR. Came knocking on his door one day demanding to inspect his house and talk to his kids. If he didn’t let them in, they threatened to take the children. Scared him to death. Made periodic inspections of his home for the next 2 years.


47 posted on 03/20/2013 8:12:07 AM PDT by saleman
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To: T.O.K.

Is it tar & feather O’clock yet?


48 posted on 03/20/2013 8:15:07 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
FB and Google are increasingly the go-to tool of Big Brother. I've got a FB page to keep family happy, but nothing of any consequence ever goes up there, and definitely nothing pertaining to politics or guns (and more recently, religion). No pictures of my face, either. I let them think that I am a happy camera-shy guy with few opinions who likes dogs and reading the classics.

Google is harder to beat, but I am slowly getting all references to my real name and info deleted. Some of it is permanently cached, though. But that I had gotten canny sooner!

49 posted on 03/20/2013 8:23:28 AM PDT by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
I don't advise exchanging freedom for security. We have neither anymore, anyway. I advise deceiving the tyrant in order to buy time to organize a resistance.

That's my .02. Obviously YMMV.

50 posted on 03/20/2013 8:31:30 AM PDT by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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