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Inconceivable! Home raided over innocent Facebook photo of child’s rifle
BizPacReview.com ^ | March 20, 2013 | Michael Dorstewitz

Posted on 03/20/2013 5:54:04 AM PDT by T.O.K.

An innocent photograph posted on Facebook of a beaming, spectacled boy proudly displaying a birthday present from his father prompted a police raid befitting an al-Qaida terrorist.

New Jersey resident Shawn Moore, a National Rifle Association firearms instructor, range safety officer and New Jersey hunter education instructor, gave his son a .22-caliber rifle for his 11th birthday.

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To: T.O.K.

This is just how the Obama gun grabbers intend to operate. If you have firearms in your home and have kids its child endangerment and your guns get confiscated. If you are a returning veteran you are assumed to be mentally unstable and your guns get confiscated. If you see your doctor about depression or are prescribed antidepressants or tranquilizers your guns get confiscated. If you are accused of illegally downloading copyrighted music and the police enter your home to confiscate your computer they take your guns too. Not only are your Second Amendment rights under assault so are your rights under the Fourth Amendment.


51 posted on 03/20/2013 8:40:21 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: I want the USA back

That USA is long lost. I am outraged and I feel for the guy and his family, but his troubles should be a lesson to all of us. Posting a picture to FB of your kid with an Evil Black Rifle is police raid bait. I’m not even sure that taking such a picture in the first place is a good idea, especially if it is taken with a networkable device like a cell phone. Big Brother wants nothing more than to scrape as much data as he can about you off of the Internet. Can you guarantee that your phone doesn’t have a hidden back door for him? I can’t. We need to be wise as serpents now.


52 posted on 03/20/2013 8:43:29 AM PDT by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: cld51860
The photo of a smiling boy, holding his legally-owned weapon, hardly indicates any kind of abuse. The photo alone should have made that clear. ... In a sane world.

No disagreement from me.

But like many laws written after some tragedy this law fails to an absurd level of protection.

The law requires that any report of child abuse be investigated by child protective services.

This woman from protective services was required to make a visit to the how and evaluate home and investigate danger to the child.

I don’t know when this happened but if I was a betting man I would wager she will be back.

53 posted on 03/20/2013 9:03:50 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: jboot
I've got a FB page to keep family happy, but nothing of any consequence ever goes up there, and definitely nothing pertaining to politics or guns (and more recently, religion).

I have a picture on my FB page of my 2 year old Grandson squirting his Grandmother with a squirt gun. He has an obviously joyful expression on his face.

I wonder if I should remove it. A 2 year old ecstatic while firing a gun. OH the Horror!

54 posted on 03/20/2013 9:14:38 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: T.O.K.

Facebook is the devil.


55 posted on 03/20/2013 9:28:04 AM PDT by CJ Wolf
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To: Pontiac

Heh, depends how paranoid you are!


56 posted on 03/20/2013 10:07:03 AM PDT by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: jboot
...if a curious stranger got too close they would offer him a fag and pretend to be friendly.

Lavender Mafia will not appreciate your choice of words...

57 posted on 03/20/2013 10:22:48 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Pontiac
Laws protect the anonymity of anyone reporting child abuse.

Not when it is am false report. Or am I wrong?

58 posted on 03/20/2013 10:24:45 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: MrB
It’s the person in the seat of authority ordering the investigation that needs to get chastised.

Just as when the firearms confiscations begin, the primary targets should be THOSE WHO GIVE THE ORDERS.

59 posted on 03/20/2013 10:28:27 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: mvpel

(I used to say “law-abiding” in addition to “peaceful,” but given the laws these days, that’s no longer a term of approbation.)

“There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.” - Ayn Rand


60 posted on 03/20/2013 10:31:07 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: T.O.K.

While this was abusive, it’s also important to understand the greater context, that of Child Protective Services, in any state.

On one hand, if children are abused or even killed, and they knew something of it, the CPS will get raked over the coals. But, as in this case, if they enter a family situation where abuse is *not* taking place, it is even more brutal on them.

Importantly, this is true in every single state in the union. There *is* no easy or blanket resolution for it either, because each case is unique.

So, what happens is that CPS becomes “complaint driven”. If someone complains to them, they *have* to do something. And if it is a “cold call” on people known to be armed, the CPS will certainly bring cops with them.

In this case, some idiot freaked out because he saw a picture of a boy with a gun. Not surprising, because such fools freak out when children hold their fingers like a gun, or make a vaguely gun-like shape while nibbling on a Pop-Tart.

So perhaps the real failure here was with the police, who automatically backed the CPS person without first checking to see *why* the CPS was investigating. But the police sure as donuts do not want to be blamed if the CPS wants to investigate, but they determine that there is no reason for the CPS to investigate.

So it’s just easier for the police to play along.

However, in this case, they clearly overstepped their authority, which the police most certainly can be blamed for. They could have told the CPS employee that “We can do this up to this point, but no further, without a warrant.”

Which would put the situation back squarely on the CPS.

Probably the best outcome would be for the CPS to have their own in house criminal lawyer, to advise them of what they can and cannot do, as well as what the police can and cannot do.

I recommend this, because it applied in this situation, but with the parent’s lawyer. The end result was the same. The CPS nor the police broke the rules, even though they wanted to, and asked permission to.

Since this will likely not happen soon, if someone has children, it is probably a great idea to have their lawyer available by speed dial.


61 posted on 03/20/2013 10:34:49 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: JimRed
Not when it is am false report. Or am I wrong?

I haven’t looked at the law for years but the last I checked there was no such thing as a false report as far as the law was concerned.

The best you could hope for was “report unsubstantiated” or unproven.

Once an accusation is made against you it is forever in child services report and can not be expunged and you will never know who made it.

A friend of mine went through this and even though the investigators never found any evidence that he had ever harmed his kids in anyway he could never find out who accused him or why. He was investigated twice.

62 posted on 03/20/2013 10:35:09 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: saleman
Came knocking on his door one day demanding to inspect his house and talk to his kids. If he didn’t let them in, they threatened to take the children.

Public "servants" like that sound like good candidates for the ol' triple S- shoot, shovel and shut up.

63 posted on 03/20/2013 10:36:16 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Pontiac
Pontiac said: "The law requires that every report of child abuse be investigated."

Can we all agree that a report of the existence of a picture of a smiling child holding a rifle is NOT a "report of child abuse"?

64 posted on 03/20/2013 11:23:15 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: William Tell
Can we all agree that a report of the existence of a picture of a smiling child holding a rifle is NOT a "report of child abuse"?

Let us agree that a picture of a smiling child holding a rifle is not evidence of an abused child.

A report of an abused child can be any person filing a report stating that they believe child X is being abused by adult Y. That is literally all that is required.

65 posted on 03/20/2013 11:34:00 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: JimRed

too many witnesses....


66 posted on 03/20/2013 12:01:45 PM PDT by saleman
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