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This nation is closer to a Civil War than it has been since 1861.
DC Clothesline ^ | March 29, 2013 | Jim Copenhaver

Posted on 03/30/2013 5:10:24 PM PDT by GodAndCountryFirst

This nation is closer to a Civil War than it has been since 1861.

Scary thought, isn’t it? Especially to those who have seen war and know from personal experience what it is like. If you are older than 35, would you ever have dreamed that one day, in our lifetimes, our country would be reduced to this? Sometimes it makes me want to cry for America. It makes me want to throw a fit and smash things, rage and scream like a wild man. I want to grab my weapons, march to Washington DC, stand up in front of Congress and the president and say, “Now Look, this is the way it is going to be or by God, I will start shooting!

Kind of childish, isn’t it? I didn’t ask for the crap that is going on today. I don’t want it. I am near 60 years old. All I wanted was to live out the rest of my days in peace. I wanted to live out those days in the America that I knew and loved, where one was safe and didn’t have to worry about what the government was planning to do to you.

So much for that. Life has changed, as it is supposed to. But it is not a good change. It remains to be seen what good can come from this state of affairs. The one thing I do know is that it is up to us . . . each one of us. . . yes, that means you . . . to bring forth whatever good can be found.

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Nobody WANTS a civil war. But some people are starting to think about the circumstances under which it might happen. Where do we draw the line?
1 posted on 03/30/2013 5:10:24 PM PDT by GodAndCountryFirst
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

Note at the very end (after the author has concluded) is very interesting ....


2 posted on 03/30/2013 5:13:55 PM PDT by MissMagnolia (You see, truth always resides wherever brave men still have ammunition. I pick truth. (John Ransom))
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

“Nobody WANTS a civil war. But some people are starting to think about the circumstances under which it might happen. Where do we draw the line? “

I don’t think there’s any reason a state can’t leave the union. I always thought the “reason” for the Civil War was the firing on Ft. Sumter. But, if that hadn’t happened, and there was apparently no real reason for it, then I’m certain Lincoln would have come up with his own version of the Tonkin Gulf incident. I think it was Lincoln who wanted the war. But, think about it, if the flyover states left the union, then the union of takers only could not survive. But the union would have most, if not all, of the nukes. They’d use them too. Would Lee or Grant not have used nukes to bring a quicker end to the war? They’d have been remiss in their duties if they hadn’t. If there were a war, it would kill half the population, mostly due to starvation and disease.


3 posted on 03/30/2013 5:16:46 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: MissMagnolia

yeah, facebook pages. Who on earth would go to FB pages. The government owns fB.


4 posted on 03/30/2013 5:18:36 PM PDT by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

The author pretty much loses all credibility though when he posts a fake NYT headline. The one in the article is a satire, not an actual headline that ever appeared in print.


5 posted on 03/30/2013 5:19:50 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: Gen.Blather

The difficult part is deciding who the enemy is.


6 posted on 03/30/2013 5:21:19 PM PDT by cornfedcowboy (Trust in God, but empty the clip.)
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

Wherever you put that line, your government is ready and willing to step over it. They will become more and more inflammatory until people start to rebel. Be prepared for the consequences.


7 posted on 03/30/2013 5:23:51 PM PDT by STYRO (War sucks. Living in slavery sucks even worse.)
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

Us against the drones. Could happen.


8 posted on 03/30/2013 5:24:41 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

It is the nature of government to grow more oppressive over time, not less. That makes civil war and revolutions all but inevitable, much like gravity makes things fall to the ground. The US is not immune to the natural laws of history and government, as some imagine us to be.


9 posted on 03/30/2013 5:30:54 PM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

You asked, where do we draw the line?

The answer is when waiting would render us too weak to fight back, and when we have the plans, will, and the means to defend ourselves.

That day is not today, if it is to be tomorrow, we will require much more in the way of perpetration that we thou our states might even be able to defend ourselves both politically and militarily .

But make no illusions dispute how far we have come, we are not there yet. The Evil’s now being perpetrated against us we cannot redress today even if we had to.


10 posted on 03/30/2013 5:31:19 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: STYRO

It is too apparent that the govt is trying to provoke and instigate a civil war.


11 posted on 03/30/2013 5:35:31 PM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: bigdaddy45

Lost credibility with me when he used the term “libtard”. I’m no fan of liberals, but it’s tough to continue reading an article seriously that uses such words.


12 posted on 03/30/2013 5:35:56 PM PDT by MNDude (I survived the sequester!)
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

i think when the armed confiscation starts, of whatever, from law abiding people. that will be a huge trigger because so many will realize those people are THEM. it’s a declaration of war on all of the citizens of this country.

those confiscation orders are equivalent of having to quarter and supply king george’s redcoats. and be disarmed.


13 posted on 03/30/2013 5:36:14 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

it would be a civil war, with one side being for the new world order/globalists, and the other side for a restored, constitutional government.


14 posted on 03/30/2013 5:38:16 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Gen.Blather
But the union would have most, if not all, of the nukes. They’d use them too. Would Lee or Grant not have used nukes to bring a quicker end to the war?

Did we nuke Vietnam. No. Did we nuke Korea. No. What makes you think FedGov™ would ever use nukes in a civil war? Franky the "union" wouldn't lay waste to the real estate it wants back....

15 posted on 03/30/2013 5:38:53 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: STYRO

REVOLT, not rebellion. REVOLT is lawful opposition against illegitimate/ corrupt govt, rebellion is unlawful uprising against legitimate, good government.


16 posted on 03/30/2013 5:40:02 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

he wants to try to enact martial law so the confiscations and executions can begin under a veneer of legality.


17 posted on 03/30/2013 5:41:20 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

There is no longer any room for hope. If we wish to be free² if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained, we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of Hosts is all that is left us!

Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations; and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable and let it come!

I repeat it, sir, let it come.

Patrick Henry, March 1775


18 posted on 03/30/2013 5:41:59 PM PDT by Waywardson (I did not vote for that pro-abortionist candidate!)
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To: GodAndCountryFirst
If our differences can not be settled by peaceful means, then I am one who advocates rebellion. Again, time is getting short. [Site owner's comments about the contributor's opinions: "We are not a militia, we are just a team of concerned Americans who want to be prepared if the worst should ever come. Currently we have 10 regional teams with about 18,000 total members and our project is only four days old."]

What's going on sure sounds familiar.

The fault is ours, says Abe watching from "the other side."

If you could first know where you are and whither you are tending, you could better judge what to do and how to do it. You initiated a policy to tolerate the Marxist-Alinsky radicals and let them rant; not only has it not ceased but was constantly augmented by decades of infiltration and indoctrination. You now have two Americas. In my opinion, it will not cease until a crisis shall have been reached and passed. A house divided against itself cannot stand. I believe this government cannot endure, permanently, half statist and half free; I do not expect the house to fall; but I do expect it will cease to be divided. It will become all one thing, or all the other.

The question today is either the opponents of statism will arrest the further spread of it and place it on course of ultimate extinction, or its advocates will push it forward till it shall become permanent.

Have you no tendency to the latter condition?

Let anyone who doubts carefully contemplate that now almost complete legal combination — piece of machinery, so to speak — compounded of the Republican Party hands-across-the-aisle doctrine and the dreadful actions among statism's chief architects.


19 posted on 03/30/2013 5:48:42 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: MissMagnolia
yeah, and all the links goto Facebook... ++Ungood!
20 posted on 03/30/2013 5:49:01 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Huskrrrr

“Us against the drones. Could happen.”

in that case it might be easier to hack into the drones command systems thou a combination of patriot espionage and counter signal cryptography.

The military has great defenses but should the day ever come(god for bid) that we have no choice but to fight for our lives and rights.

If we are ready to defend ourselves our greatest assets will be the patriots still within the workings of the old regime. Assets which could make such hacking and commandeering of automated systems possible.

All of that of course depends upon when, where and how such a revolutionary war were to begin.

If the federal army & navy has not been effectively gutted we really don’t stand much of a chance.


21 posted on 03/30/2013 5:50:12 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Travis McGee

ping


22 posted on 03/30/2013 5:50:54 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

Yea, everything is 180 degrees out of phase. What used to be wrong is right, what use to be right is now wrong. I tryto explain to the younger people, but they look at me like i am from mars. I just shake my head and walk on.

Buying ammo, can goods, silver, and other stuff. Getting out of debt. Getting ready for the bad to come.


23 posted on 03/30/2013 5:51:33 PM PDT by ktw (72 ID, Finally Retired after 25 years!)
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To: Monorprise

Good points, thanks.


24 posted on 03/30/2013 5:55:05 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: Waywardson
Thanks to you and Mr.Henry for the new tag


No gulags for me .. no matter the cost


             

25 posted on 03/30/2013 5:57:15 PM PDT by tomkat ( .. I repeat it, sir, let it come)
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To: Gen.Blather
Would Lee or Grant not have used nukes to bring a quicker end to the war?

Not sure about those two, but Sherman would have.

26 posted on 03/30/2013 5:57:30 PM PDT by Michael.SF. (Obama lied, Stevens died.)
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To: ktw

Yea, everything is 180 degrees out of phase.


“What is good is evil and what is evil is good”

“Everyone did what is right in their own eyes.”

This was written about a long time ago.


27 posted on 03/30/2013 5:58:38 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple
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To: Waywardson

- where is that FReeper with the tag line something like:

dont you hear the tumbril wheels coming to take you to the guillotine ~


28 posted on 03/30/2013 6:00:46 PM PDT by PraiseTheLord (economic civil war ?)
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To: GodAndCountryFirst
blackout

Civil War 2 ends 40 minutes after it starts when the Feds turn off the power. 99.9% of the population in the affected area heads to the refugee camp for the promise of a hot shower and WiFi access.

29 posted on 03/30/2013 6:05:41 PM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: cornfedcowboy

“The difficult part is deciding who the enemy is.”

That may prove to be extremely difficult in a future war. Although in the age of facebook and online logs a history both family and otherwise would be most uses full to both us and the regime to deduce loyoty. Indeed I suspect the NSA’s data center in Utah is no doubt already complying information on every american.

Some of this when commedeered may be used to the advantage of patriots, much will be used to the advantage of loyalist. Without battle lines any such war would be a very bloody and terrible thing defined much by terror.

Free speech, or what is left of it, would be very much the primary weapon.


30 posted on 03/30/2013 6:06:57 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

Can we wait until after the Stanley Cup Playoffs ? I think the Canadiens might actually stand a chance this year....


31 posted on 03/30/2013 6:12:23 PM PDT by onona (KCCO & I loves me some gap)
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To: Chickensoup
yeah, facebook pages. Who on earth would go to FB pages. The government owns fB.

Yep. Not much for OpSec there.
32 posted on 03/30/2013 6:13:53 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: Gen.Blather
"Where do we draw the line? "

The line should/a been drawn well short of the incandescent bulb ban.

33 posted on 03/30/2013 6:15:03 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

I think more likely it will be a counter revolution. The revolution has already happened and we are living in the police state.


34 posted on 03/30/2013 6:36:06 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

I think secession is exactly backwards. A better answer is to expel certain states from the union. Give them permission to return if they agree to live under the Constitution of the United States, and before they are permitted to rejoin, reset teh federal government back to its enumerated powers. That should buy us several generations of leeway before creeping liberalism edges back into our government.


35 posted on 03/30/2013 6:43:11 PM PDT by Pollster1
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

There are FReepers who want a civil war. A couple of them have already posted to you. I don’t know if any of them have the courage of their convictions - that they would ever do anything more than sit on the sideline and say “Let’s you and him fight” crap.


36 posted on 03/30/2013 6:46:33 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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There are FReepers who want a civil war.

If you are referring to me, I want out of the union. i.e. Secession. If "war comes" (the Goons own words) then so be it. Bring it.

37 posted on 03/30/2013 6:52:07 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Gen.Blather

What Good Can a Handgun Do Against An Army?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2312894/posts


38 posted on 03/30/2013 6:53:59 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: Gen.Blather

I have a Civil War Almanac by day of every day of just before and after Civil War. The southern states were attacking Federal Installations long before Sumter. In think Sumter was the last straw. I found this shocking compared to what I was taught in School. Just amazing.


39 posted on 03/30/2013 7:06:40 PM PDT by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: MNDude

“Lost credibility with me when he used the term “libtard”. I’m no fan of liberals, but it’s tough to continue reading an article seriously that uses such words.”

Such words are commonplace among online true conservatives.

Non-partisans, independents and swing voters can see it, too.


40 posted on 03/30/2013 7:07:54 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: central_va

Thanks for the confirmation.


41 posted on 03/30/2013 7:18:16 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

Doubtful. These days, even most conservatives are more worried about the next episode of American Idol and keeping up with the Kardashians than they are in the state of our country.


42 posted on 03/30/2013 7:21:22 PM PDT by RB156
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To: Secret Agent Man
REVOLT, not rebellion. REVOLT is lawful opposition against illegitimate/ corrupt govt, rebellion is unlawful uprising against legitimate, good government.

Your point is very well taken, and needs to be trumpeted around here often.

OUR position is the legitimate, the Constitutional high ground.

It's the enemy -and yes, that's precisely what they've become - who are the illegitimate traitorous usurpers .


/.02

43 posted on 03/30/2013 7:25:42 PM PDT by tomkat ( .. I repeat it, sir, let it come)
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To: GodAndCountryFirst
No its not.

Talk of civil war is as realistic as those on the left wishing everybody was sitting around singing Kum ba yah...

Every state simply has to many folks dependent on the Federal government for thier survival...folks on SS, veterans pensions, government assistance, government pay checks etc are not going to give those benefits up no matter how much some may wish/believe. It ain't gonna happen ...

44 posted on 03/30/2013 7:29:43 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: montanajoe

It ain’t gonna happen ...


It will only happen when the money runs out...........


45 posted on 03/30/2013 7:35:35 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

You posted what I was thinking; it is time we start “thinking” about what was once unthinkable-at least since 1865. A Civil War-(actually a Social War) is coming, the only question is when.


46 posted on 03/30/2013 7:46:50 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: All
In "The Vision" (1972) by David Wilkerson, God showed him that some Mediterranean country would default and that would cause bank runs and economic collapse in Europe that would spread to America within a couple weeks and that would cause an economic crash here worse than the 1930's and that would ignite urban communist riots that would burn down big cities and become an all out destructive barbaric civil war resulting in foreign invasions. Read the book because he said a lot about youths, homosexuals, satanist, natural disasters, etc. I've been watching it all come true since I bought the book in 1976 when I returned from Turkey.
47 posted on 03/30/2013 7:50:15 PM PDT by RHS Jr (Pity the banksters when Jesus comes)
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To: montanajoe

The left wing in this country no longer pines for Peace and an Kum ba yah society. The Left wing is now working for conflict, chaos and collapse.


48 posted on 03/30/2013 7:57:26 PM PDT by Eva
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". . . some key [events] exacerbated the national debate, fraying trust, and national cohesion just a little more each time . . . The two-party system that had governed America . . . began to fall apart . . . interest in politics took the place of all other forms of news-related entertainment . . . politicians were the celebrities . . . [Politics/ideology] was becoming such a habit, the reactions so automatic, that [journalists] taking sides on every news story became inevitable."

.. I just can't avoid thinking about this from for Love & Liberty by Robin Young and it's about 1857 America.

One-hundred-and-fifty years later the discord is


49 posted on 03/30/2013 7:57:37 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

Obamanation Counterculture File.


50 posted on 03/30/2013 7:58:56 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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