Skip to comments.This nation is closer to a Civil War than it has been since 1861.
Posted on 03/30/2013 5:10:24 PM PDT by GodAndCountryFirst
This nation is closer to a Civil War than it has been since 1861.
Scary thought, isnt it? Especially to those who have seen war and know from personal experience what it is like. If you are older than 35, would you ever have dreamed that one day, in our lifetimes, our country would be reduced to this? Sometimes it makes me want to cry for America. It makes me want to throw a fit and smash things, rage and scream like a wild man. I want to grab my weapons, march to Washington DC, stand up in front of Congress and the president and say, Now Look, this is the way it is going to be or by God, I will start shooting!
Kind of childish, isnt it? I didnt ask for the crap that is going on today. I dont want it. I am near 60 years old. All I wanted was to live out the rest of my days in peace. I wanted to live out those days in the America that I knew and loved, where one was safe and didnt have to worry about what the government was planning to do to you.
So much for that. Life has changed, as it is supposed to. But it is not a good change. It remains to be seen what good can come from this state of affairs. The one thing I do know is that it is up to us . . . each one of us. . . yes, that means you . . . to bring forth whatever good can be found.
(Excerpt) Read more at dcclothesline.com ...
Note at the very end (after the author has concluded) is very interesting ....
“Nobody WANTS a civil war. But some people are starting to think about the circumstances under which it might happen. Where do we draw the line? “
I don’t think there’s any reason a state can’t leave the union. I always thought the “reason” for the Civil War was the firing on Ft. Sumter. But, if that hadn’t happened, and there was apparently no real reason for it, then I’m certain Lincoln would have come up with his own version of the Tonkin Gulf incident. I think it was Lincoln who wanted the war. But, think about it, if the flyover states left the union, then the union of takers only could not survive. But the union would have most, if not all, of the nukes. They’d use them too. Would Lee or Grant not have used nukes to bring a quicker end to the war? They’d have been remiss in their duties if they hadn’t. If there were a war, it would kill half the population, mostly due to starvation and disease.
yeah, facebook pages. Who on earth would go to FB pages. The government owns fB.
The author pretty much loses all credibility though when he posts a fake NYT headline. The one in the article is a satire, not an actual headline that ever appeared in print.
The difficult part is deciding who the enemy is.
Wherever you put that line, your government is ready and willing to step over it. They will become more and more inflammatory until people start to rebel. Be prepared for the consequences.
Us against the drones. Could happen.
It is the nature of government to grow more oppressive over time, not less. That makes civil war and revolutions all but inevitable, much like gravity makes things fall to the ground. The US is not immune to the natural laws of history and government, as some imagine us to be.
You asked, where do we draw the line?
The answer is when waiting would render us too weak to fight back, and when we have the plans, will, and the means to defend ourselves.
That day is not today, if it is to be tomorrow, we will require much more in the way of perpetration that we thou our states might even be able to defend ourselves both politically and militarily .
But make no illusions dispute how far we have come, we are not there yet. The Evil’s now being perpetrated against us we cannot redress today even if we had to.
It is too apparent that the govt is trying to provoke and instigate a civil war.
Lost credibility with me when he used the term “libtard”. I’m no fan of liberals, but it’s tough to continue reading an article seriously that uses such words.
i think when the armed confiscation starts, of whatever, from law abiding people. that will be a huge trigger because so many will realize those people are THEM. it’s a declaration of war on all of the citizens of this country.
those confiscation orders are equivalent of having to quarter and supply king george’s redcoats. and be disarmed.
it would be a civil war, with one side being for the new world order/globalists, and the other side for a restored, constitutional government.
Did we nuke Vietnam. No. Did we nuke Korea. No. What makes you think FedGov would ever use nukes in a civil war? Franky the "union" wouldn't lay waste to the real estate it wants back....
REVOLT, not rebellion. REVOLT is lawful opposition against illegitimate/ corrupt govt, rebellion is unlawful uprising against legitimate, good government.
he wants to try to enact martial law so the confiscations and executions can begin under a veneer of legality.
There is no longer any room for hope. If we wish to be free² if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained, we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of Hosts is all that is left us!
Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations; and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable and let it come!
I repeat it, sir, let it come.
Patrick Henry, March 1775
What's going on sure sounds familiar.
The fault is ours, says Abe watching from "the other side."
If you could first know where you are and whither you are tending, you could better judge what to do and how to do it. You initiated a policy to tolerate the Marxist-Alinsky radicals and let them rant; not only has it not ceased but was constantly augmented by decades of infiltration and indoctrination. You now have two Americas. In my opinion, it will not cease until a crisis shall have been reached and passed. A house divided against itself cannot stand. I believe this government cannot endure, permanently, half statist and half free; I do not expect the house to fall; but I do expect it will cease to be divided. It will become all one thing, or all the other.
The question today is either the opponents of statism will arrest the further spread of it and place it on course of ultimate extinction, or its advocates will push it forward till it shall become permanent.
Have you no tendency to the latter condition?
Let anyone who doubts carefully contemplate that now almost complete legal combination piece of machinery, so to speak compounded of the Republican Party hands-across-the-aisle doctrine and the dreadful actions among statism's chief architects.
“Us against the drones. Could happen.”
in that case it might be easier to hack into the drones command systems thou a combination of patriot espionage and counter signal cryptography.
The military has great defenses but should the day ever come(god for bid) that we have no choice but to fight for our lives and rights.
If we are ready to defend ourselves our greatest assets will be the patriots still within the workings of the old regime. Assets which could make such hacking and commandeering of automated systems possible.
All of that of course depends upon when, where and how such a revolutionary war were to begin.
If the federal army & navy has not been effectively gutted we really don’t stand much of a chance.
Yea, everything is 180 degrees out of phase. What used to be wrong is right, what use to be right is now wrong. I tryto explain to the younger people, but they look at me like i am from mars. I just shake my head and walk on.
Buying ammo, can goods, silver, and other stuff. Getting out of debt. Getting ready for the bad to come.
Good points, thanks.
No gulags for me .. no matter the cost
Not sure about those two, but Sherman would have.
Yea, everything is 180 degrees out of phase.
“Everyone did what is right in their own eyes.”
This was written about a long time ago.
- where is that FReeper with the tag line something like:
dont you hear the tumbril wheels coming to take you to the guillotine ~
Civil War 2 ends 40 minutes after it starts when the Feds turn off the power. 99.9% of the population in the affected area heads to the refugee camp for the promise of a hot shower and WiFi access.
“The difficult part is deciding who the enemy is.”
That may prove to be extremely difficult in a future war. Although in the age of facebook and online logs a history both family and otherwise would be most uses full to both us and the regime to deduce loyoty. Indeed I suspect the NSA’s data center in Utah is no doubt already complying information on every american.
Some of this when commedeered may be used to the advantage of patriots, much will be used to the advantage of loyalist. Without battle lines any such war would be a very bloody and terrible thing defined much by terror.
Free speech, or what is left of it, would be very much the primary weapon.
Can we wait until after the Stanley Cup Playoffs ? I think the Canadiens might actually stand a chance this year....
The line should/a been drawn well short of the incandescent bulb ban.
I think more likely it will be a counter revolution. The revolution has already happened and we are living in the police state.
I think secession is exactly backwards. A better answer is to expel certain states from the union. Give them permission to return if they agree to live under the Constitution of the United States, and before they are permitted to rejoin, reset teh federal government back to its enumerated powers. That should buy us several generations of leeway before creeping liberalism edges back into our government.
There are FReepers who want a civil war. A couple of them have already posted to you. I don’t know if any of them have the courage of their convictions - that they would ever do anything more than sit on the sideline and say “Let’s you and him fight” crap.
If you are referring to me, I want out of the union. i.e. Secession. If "war comes" (the Goons own words) then so be it. Bring it.
What Good Can a Handgun Do Against An Army?
I have a Civil War Almanac by day of every day of just before and after Civil War. The southern states were attacking Federal Installations long before Sumter. In think Sumter was the last straw. I found this shocking compared to what I was taught in School. Just amazing.
“Lost credibility with me when he used the term libtard. Im no fan of liberals, but its tough to continue reading an article seriously that uses such words.”
Such words are commonplace among online true conservatives.
Non-partisans, independents and swing voters can see it, too.
Thanks for the confirmation.
Doubtful. These days, even most conservatives are more worried about the next episode of American Idol and keeping up with the Kardashians than they are in the state of our country.
Your point is very well taken, and needs to be trumpeted around here often.
OUR position is the legitimate, the Constitutional high ground.
It's the enemy -and yes, that's precisely what they've become - who are the illegitimate traitorous usurpers .
Talk of civil war is as realistic as those on the left wishing everybody was sitting around singing Kum ba yah...
Every state simply has to many folks dependent on the Federal government for thier survival...folks on SS, veterans pensions, government assistance, government pay checks etc are not going to give those benefits up no matter how much some may wish/believe. It ain't gonna happen ...
It ain’t gonna happen ...
You posted what I was thinking; it is time we start “thinking” about what was once unthinkable-at least since 1865. A Civil War-(actually a Social War) is coming, the only question is when.
The left wing in this country no longer pines for Peace and an Kum ba yah society. The Left wing is now working for conflict, chaos and collapse.
". . . some key [events] exacerbated the national debate, fraying trust, and national cohesion just a little more each time . . . The two-party system that had governed America . . . began to fall apart . . . interest in politics took the place of all other forms of news-related entertainment . . . politicians were the celebrities . . . [Politics/ideology] was becoming such a habit, the reactions so automatic, that [journalists] taking sides on every news story became inevitable."
.. I just can't avoid thinking about this from for Love & Liberty by Robin Young and it's about 1857 America.
One-hundred-and-fifty years later the discord is
Obamanation Counterculture File.
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