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Obama to Top Brass: Will you fire on American Citizens?
NextNewsNetwork via YouTube ^ | January 23, 2013

Posted on 04/04/2013 6:03:27 AM PDT by Texas Fossil

The Obama administration is openly escalating its campaign against private gun ownership, and shaking up the top ranks of the military command structure -- but is it also preparing to make war on the American population? According to a person identified as a former senior military official, the answer to that shocking question is yes.

World-renowned educator and human rights activist Jim Garrow says that the source, man regarded as "one of America's foremost military heroes," told him that President Obama is using a new litmus test for "determining who will stay and who must go" among top-ranked military leaders. That test is whether they will fire on US citizens or not. Garrow says that his source made the disclosure in order to "sound the alarm" over the administration's plans.

While Garrow will not yet reveal the identity of the source, it's important to note that Garrow himself is a man of considerable accomplishment. He is the founder of the Bethune Institute, which has established hundreds of schools throughout China. Three years ago, he was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize for his work though a group called Pink Pagoda, which combat "gendercide" in China -- that is, the practice of rescuing baby girls who had been abandoned or targeted for infanticide because of the government's one-child policy. He was personally involved in helping to save the lives of more than 50,000 Chinese girls. He joins Gary Franchi on WHDT World News to discuss this new "Litmus Test."

*No party or entity depicted in this broadcast advocates insurrection against the government of the United States of America.


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I know very little about Dr. Jim Garrow. But the pieces of this fit the situation and in my opinion is credible.

The part where he discusses how China views Obama is most interesting to me. If the people in the know on the street in China call him "monkey man" it mirrors many of the names he has here. And certainly shows their contempt for him.

God Help the U.S.

1 posted on 04/04/2013 6:03:27 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Texas Fossil

2 posted on 04/04/2013 6:09:46 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Texas Fossil

Shrewd move by the Obamadork.

Since he is not really a citizen, he may consider himself immune from military fire when the upcoming CW-II comes.

He may be incorrect.


3 posted on 04/04/2013 6:10:01 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Texas Fossil

I still trust that most US soldiers would not act on orders to shoot US civilians. I have long feared that Obama is setting himself up to become dictator and just needs the right “crisis” as a pretext to stage a coup. The Sandy Hook shooting was Obama’s Reichstag fire and will be the beginning on the end for civil liberties in this country.


4 posted on 04/04/2013 6:16:03 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: Texas Fossil

Impeachment File on B. Hussein Obama, aka Barry Soetoro.


5 posted on 04/04/2013 6:16:06 AM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Texas Fossil

Impeachment File on B. Hussein Obama, aka Barry Soetoro.


6 posted on 04/04/2013 6:16:06 AM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Texas Fossil

7 posted on 04/04/2013 6:17:58 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: Texas Fossil
While Garrow will not yet reveal the identity of the source....

Get back to me when he does.

8 posted on 04/04/2013 6:18:10 AM PDT by gdani
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To: SMARTY

9 posted on 04/04/2013 6:20:24 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Texas Fossil
God Help the U.S.

Why should He?

We've kicked him out of our schools, are in the process of legalizing gay marriage, and kicked Him out of our courthouses.

We've elected a closeted Muslim who gets his advice from racist haters, and despises his own flag.

We give credence to University professors who advocate for infanticide, listen to people who put trees above people, and idolize movie stars who openly hate us.

We listen to music that glorifies rape, murder, and theft, watch movies that glamorize lawlessness and nudity, and admire people like Hugh Hefner and Larry Flynt.

We encourage people to live off the state, tax the crap out of people who work for themselves, and in general discourage any kind of hard work.

We look the other way, or openly admire, "celebrities" who get caught cheating on their marriage, or in their profession by using drugs.

There is very little in this country that does not remind me of Sodom--and we are losing the righteous people at an alarming rate. We are on our way to destruction.

10 posted on 04/04/2013 6:20:29 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: gdani

Did you watch the video?


11 posted on 04/04/2013 6:20:30 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Texas Fossil

Look for more of the top brass to turn against Obama as time goes on.


12 posted on 04/04/2013 6:21:29 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: The Great RJ

Would a nuclear attack by North Korea qualify as a “crisis”?


13 posted on 04/04/2013 6:21:36 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Texas Fossil
I try to shy away from the far out conspiracy stuff. That being said, I've seen uncountable things happen to my country in the last five years that were unimaginable 10 years ago.

"Alice laughed: "There's no use trying," she said; "one can't believe impossible things."
"I daresay you haven't had much practice," said the Queen. "When I was younger, I always did it for half an hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast."

Alice in Wonderland.

14 posted on 04/04/2013 6:21:46 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: ShadowAce

I know you from FR well enough to conclude that neither of us did any of the things you listed. Although they are all valid reasons that God would desert the U.S.

Sad


15 posted on 04/04/2013 6:22:25 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: ShadowAce

There are rightous folks out there, but they are most likely keeping a low profile.


16 posted on 04/04/2013 6:23:46 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Texas Fossil

Yes. the “We” is America in general. Not any particular person.


17 posted on 04/04/2013 6:24:15 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Texas Fossil
Obama to Top Brass: Will you fire on American Citizens?

Can you imagine any president of our dear country EVER ASKING ANYONE THIS QUESTION?

Are we citizens in deep, deep trouble, or what?

18 posted on 04/04/2013 6:24:17 AM PDT by laweeks
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To: listenhillary

Alice in Wonderland?

Indeed the distortion of reality is that bad today.

The frightening thing is there are thing that are real that are still unimaginable to us.


19 posted on 04/04/2013 6:24:26 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Biggirl

And hopefully some Congressmen and Senators. Possibly some Supreme Court members too.

Have said from the beginning when the “right people” want him exposed, he is toast.


20 posted on 04/04/2013 6:25:47 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: laweeks

Yep Deep Kimchi.


21 posted on 04/04/2013 6:28:17 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: The Great RJ
I still trust that most US soldiers would not act on orders to shoot US civilians. I have long feared that Obama is setting himself up to become dictator and just needs the right “crisis” as a pretext to stage a coup.

Keep in mind that while some soldiers would hesitate when ordered to fire on Americans, the majority probably would not. It would not come down to a matter of conscience, but a matter of conditioning. You can bet that the troops would be thoroughly "briefed" beforehand and most would believe that they were doing their patriotic duty.

I have thought all along that 0bama is setting himself up to be dictator. 0bama's move to purge the Generals that would put The Constitution first is a step to ensure that he would not encounter any opposition when he makes his move, and I certainly don't expect congress to do anything. The courts, all the way up to the SCOTUS are in his pocket, so he is just a couple of moves away.

22 posted on 04/04/2013 6:29:31 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (It's not "GUN CONTROL"! It's "PEOPLE CONTROL"!)
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To: Texas Fossil
"That test is whether they will fire on US citizens or not."

Fabian head fake. It's not about firing on U.S. citizens. We already know they would. Our history reveals many examples. The goal is to divide and severely weaken the military through institutional conflict so that with minimal resistance, it can be replaced by Obama's "national security force." First, the officer corps. One must be set against another to get the ball rolling. Eliminate "Duty, honor, country" and the rest will fall into place.
23 posted on 04/04/2013 6:36:43 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

Look how hard it has been in Iraq and Afghanistan dealing with at most 25,000 insurgents. Russia threw up it’s hands and withdrew from Afghanistan.

I would hope that America could field quite a few more if it comes to it. I certainly wouldn’t want to continue to live in a country that has slipped into an authoritarian dictatorship, nor would many others. Once they step over that line, there’s nothing much left to lose.


24 posted on 04/04/2013 6:37:29 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: The Sons of Liberty
Sorry to be so harsh but, people get the kind of government they deserve.

Obama was elected TWICE. The danger of a democracy, or even a democratic republic, is that the low information voter will get used to voting himself some of your money. Look around at every other democracy, it has happened everywhere.

25 posted on 04/04/2013 6:38:09 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, we'll just grow algae.)
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To: Travis McGee

Am I surprised at such a revelation? I’ve thought for some time that the willingness to fire upon American Civilians was a litmus test for advancement to 0-6 and above.

But as I contemplate the decreasing morale on our military around the world as the result of nearly insane Rules of Engagement on the enemy/insurgents who are not clearly identified by uniform from the general population and the resulting increase of casualties as the consequences. I have to wonder, if the order comes down to wage war on “American Insurgents” will the same rules apply or will they be relaxed to the point that even the slightest provocation or suspicion of belligerence will be cause for lethal force?

Your guess is as good as mine. But I think that the consequences and backlash to such actions will be like a “terrible swift sword”.


26 posted on 04/04/2013 6:38:48 AM PDT by The Working Man
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To: Texas Fossil
But this fool King Obama and his generals forgot that during WWII if was reported that there were a few bullet holes in the back of the helmets of some of the rotten leaders. Think about it. Our military will not shoot their mothers, fathers, brothers and sisters. The gun will be pointed at the criminal insane, King Obama and his troops.
27 posted on 04/04/2013 6:41:21 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: The Sons of Liberty
Keep in mind that while some soldiers would hesitate when ordered to fire on Americans, the majority probably would not. It would not come down to a matter of conscience, but a matter of conditioning.

Sure. They're all just unthinking robots, programmed by Obama. When the order comes, it won't matter to most soldiers that they're going to fire on their neighbors and kin. Nope. Not even a blink.

Their oaths to the Constitution? Don't be silly. The Emperor hath commanded them to slay you, Yankee scum. Now you must die.

Yeah. Just like that.

28 posted on 04/04/2013 6:42:38 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: PowderMonkey

“Fabian head fake...”

Good call!


29 posted on 04/04/2013 6:45:01 AM PDT by petro45acp (It's a fabian thing.....how do you boil a frog? How's that water feelin right about now?)
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To: Former Proud Canadian
Sorry to be so harsh but, people get the kind of government they deserve.
Obama was elected TWICE. The danger of a democracy, or even a democratic republic, is that the low information voter will get used to voting himself some of your money. Look around at every other democracy, it has happened everywhere.

You are absolutely correct my friend.

Some places aren't suited to democracy because it really doesn't amount to much more than mob rule. 0bama and his regime figured this out and bought the mob with handouts of MY tax dollars and free 0bamaphones.

30 posted on 04/04/2013 6:45:53 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (It's not "GUN CONTROL"! It's "PEOPLE CONTROL"!)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

Most thankfully would turn against Obama, for this I am CONFIDENT.


31 posted on 04/04/2013 6:46:50 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Windflier

OK, smarty. Do you recall Capt Ernest Medina and Lt William Calley of Vietnam infamy? I was in the military at the time and I vividly remember the “training” we received after the bad press generated by My Lai - follow orders first and question later. Now, firing on Americans is a different matter, but those students at Kent State might beg to differ.


32 posted on 04/04/2013 6:49:50 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (It's not "GUN CONTROL"! It's "PEOPLE CONTROL"!)
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To: Biggirl
Most thankfully would turn against Obama, for this I am CONFIDENT.

I pray you are correct.

I have wondered what might spark an incident that could justify firing on Americans, and how is would be reported afterwards.

33 posted on 04/04/2013 6:53:47 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (It's not "GUN CONTROL"! It's "PEOPLE CONTROL"!)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

A student or a non-student shit stirrer at Kent State fired the first shot. It was intended to provoke a violent incident.

What should have been the rules of engagement for the National Guard? Wait until someone takes a bullet before firing?


34 posted on 04/04/2013 6:57:09 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: The Great RJ
If it is firing on civilized Americans, then I have a problem with it. If it is firing on the hordes that will be coming out of Chicago, Detroit, Atlanta, Los Angeles and other urban hell holes when the EBT cards stop working.... there really may not be any other choice.


35 posted on 04/04/2013 7:06:22 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (bahits.com)
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To: listenhillary
A student or a non-student shit stirrer at Kent State fired the first shot.

I've never heard or read that, though I don't doubt it. But this makes my point: Even if the soldiers have no intention of firing on Americans, they are likely to be placed in a scenario where their options are very limited. And as you point out, the Rules of Engagement will be vague, but defined by the Generals who owe fealty to 0bama.

36 posted on 04/04/2013 7:08:57 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (It's not "GUN CONTROL"! It's "PEOPLE CONTROL"!)
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To: The Sons of Liberty
I vividly remember the “training” we received after the bad press generated by My Lai - follow orders first and question later. Now, firing on Americans is a different matter, but...

No no. Not a different matter at all, according to you and other quivering masses of jelly around here. According to you, all it takes to overcome a person's innate sense of loyalty to their kin and countrymen, is a bit of stern brain washing.

And before you even go there, I can predict how the rest of your thought process goes...

Obama gives the order, and American troops immediately seize every firearm in the country, killing or imprisoning anyone who dares to resist, then all the remaining conservatives, patriots, and normal Americans are rounded up and shipped in box cars to the FEMA re-education camps.

I've heard your bleak and demoralizing message a thousand times on this website. Doesn't matter that it's nothing more than a paranoid fantasy. No one stops you doomers from repeating it ad infinitum, and so you continue to smear that crap all over the forum.

Go ahead. Keep pimping for the Emperor. You do know you're doing his bidding, don't you?

37 posted on 04/04/2013 7:17:50 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: The Sons of Liberty; listenhillary

No “shot” was fired by a student. Somebody reported hearing a shot/fireworks, and the order was given to fire. Those (four) students killed were not near the demonstration, but traversing the campus between classes. The point being, an order was given to fire upon U.S. citizens on U.S. soil. The order was obeyed. The right or wrong of it matters not. It happened.


38 posted on 04/04/2013 7:22:42 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

Isn’t the problem inherent in the concept of “democratic”? As long as there was a concept of “constitutional republic” rather than “democratic republic” or “democracy” we had a chance. Most people think you are crazy if you tell them this country is NOT supposed to be a democracy but the constitution clearly guarantees to each state a “republican” form of government, the word democracy or democratic does not appear nor does “representative democracy” even though some supposedly educated people may think so.

Inherent in the word democracy is the idea that every citizen should vote, this is a fatal error, a constitutional republic allows for qualifications on voting and this country started on the road to destruction when we began to drop voter qualifications, now we don’t even require citizenship or the ability to fog a mirror in practice. When illegal aliens and corpses can vote their is little point in going to the polls.

As for those who claim that democracy and republic refer to the same form of government they are simply ignorant.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7M-7LkvcVw


39 posted on 04/04/2013 7:24:58 AM PDT by RipSawyer (I was born on Earth, what planet is this?)
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To: ShadowAce
I hear Westboro baptist is looking for new members.

CC

40 posted on 04/04/2013 7:26:34 AM PDT by Celtic Conservative (Hey liberals, what part of "unalienable" don't you understand?)
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To: Celtic Conservative

Tell me where I’m wrong.


41 posted on 04/04/2013 7:27:47 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: The Sons of Liberty
Let's imagine a "Kent State" sort of moment in 2014 -- soldiers fire on US citizens when an order is given in the midst of a tense situation.
Perhaps that tragic event would be repeated a week later and again 2 days after that. Soldiers firing on citizens on several occasions, in several states.

How long would that go on? Would US soldiers actually engage in a long guerrilla war against their own countrymen? Sure, people do things in anger, in panic, or if suddenly ordered to do so. But give them a few months, time to sit around, talk to each other and say, "That guy I shot ... he was just like my Dad. I mean: exactly like my Dad."

I can picture a small number of short tragic incidents.
There is no possibility that the US Army will engage in anything like a prolonged effort to supress the citizens in this country. They won't do it.

42 posted on 04/04/2013 7:28:31 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The ballot box is a sham. Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: Logical me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FvA8cF_g3Y


43 posted on 04/04/2013 7:29:49 AM PDT by RipSawyer (I was born on Earth, what planet is this?)
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To: The Working Man

I doubt that Obama is all that worried about the lower ranks of the miltary being willing to defend or destroy their fellow Americans. I expect Obama to Bengazi our troups so that he will have no opposition with his Homeland Security Army. So easy to start a war and abandon the field to allow the enemy to mop up your opposition.


44 posted on 04/04/2013 7:30:19 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

“Some places aren’t suited to democracy because it really doesn’t amount to much more than mob rule.”
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Corrected version: NO place is suited to democracy because it really amounts to LEGALIZED mob rule.

The constitution guarantees a “republican” form of government to the states, no mention of democracy.


45 posted on 04/04/2013 7:33:17 AM PDT by RipSawyer (I was born on Earth, what planet is this?)
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To: Texas Fossil

Any of the “top brass” can issue any order they want. That doesn’t mean that the troops out there or their immediate officers will follow any unconstitutional, unlawful or immoral command.

Any “top brass” who might say they will would probably find themselves looking over their shoulders in fear that they might be the “american” (traitor) that the troops fire on.


46 posted on 04/04/2013 7:34:19 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

Thank you for your (lack of) support and faith in our service members. You obviously believe that the majority of them are mindless, ignorant, “conditioned” (brainwashed) and robotic; that they swear allegiance to the president and their senior leadership. They swear allegiance to the Constitution and to follow the LAWFUL orders of those appointed above them.


47 posted on 04/04/2013 7:41:04 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

That is absolutely what happened and I’ve read about the details many times over the years. The guardsmen were barely trained (common at that time) and a few panicked when the shot was fired from the agitators. Google how many real students were shot at Kent State and how many in the crowd were not students, but outsiders.


48 posted on 04/04/2013 7:45:07 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: ShadowAce
In many ways you aren't. But many others have not turned from God. The problem is that those who have are wielding a disproportionate amount of power in politics and popular culture. It's time to push back, assert our ( i believe) majority Judaeo- Christian views and speak in the cause of righteousness. We need to lead the narrative in the culture wars, not continually play catch up. And , God help us we need to be ready to fight for our rights and the truth both figuratively and if needs be -literally.

CC

PS your post sounds like defeatism. You are a child of the living God. You can do better than "nobody loves me, everybody hates me, i think i'll go eat worms"

49 posted on 04/04/2013 7:47:18 AM PDT by Celtic Conservative (Hey liberals, what part of "unalienable" don't you understand?)
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To: RJS1950
they might be the “american” (traitor) that the troops fire on.

I'm reminded of Stonewall Jackson's speech at the very beginning of the first American Civil War. Prior to Virginia voting to secede, President Lincoln ordered states to raise troops in case actual rebellion broke out.

Jackson looked out at his men, wearing gray and butternut uniforms and said, "President Lincoln ordered Virginia to raise up 2 regiments. Tell the President we have done so!!"

50 posted on 04/04/2013 7:53:08 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The ballot box is a sham. Nothing will change until after the war.)
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